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Post by Manimal » Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:09 pm

Sanderson wrote: On another minor note, Nickolas Latta (Sarnia Sting) should have Germany as possible choice to represent internationally. Right now he is set to America, but I think he only ever played for Germany (last two World Juniors and U18 before that).
I had to put US as his first nationality or he'd count as an import player in the OHL. I probably forgot to declare his intentions with Germany

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Post by am1270 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:57 pm

First, thanks for the hard work in putting together these roster updates and keeping a 5 year old game fully relevant.

I was wondering if you would be willing to quickly create an alternate version of your latest update with different AHL teams bumped down to the ECHL (i.e. not Adirondack, Bridgeport, etc). I run the game on a mac and tried using the pre-game editor on my PC and transferring the files back to my mac with this updated but I couldn't get the changes to actually show up in a newly created game (even though they do show up when I reload the database in the editor). I'd love to start a game with the Flyers, but playing with two ECHL affiliates and no AHL affiliate is almost impossible due to the roster size rules of the ECHL.

As far as I can see, possible solutions would be creating twin versions of the update with different sets of AHL teams in the ECHL, or adding affiliations for the NHL teams that are affected by this so they can have an AHL team to send their players to.

Thanks again for the time - and I understand if you're not into the idea of creating a special version of the database just for people who want to play with one of 3 teams, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.

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Post by Manimal » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:30 pm

PM me your e-mail adress and I'll send you a version with Adirondack in the AHL.

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Post by am1270 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:28 am

PM sent...thanks so much.

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Post by brodeur1209 » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:13 am

Manimal wrote:
brodeur1209 wrote:Is it ok to use the saved game editor with the CSD patch and these rosters?
I also see people talking about rating changes and such in this thread so I figured I'd throw my 2cents in if it had a chance to make it into the next update.

I new around here so I'm not familiar with protocol.

P.S. best player on the Devils is Elias. always has been. Parise is getting there but I've always felt his numbers come from his relentless attack and determination as opposed to pure skill - He will surpass Elias in a few years. Kovy on the other hand has tremendous offensive skills but his defense (especially on the point on the PP) is awful. He dekes through the entire team then shoots it a foot wide - he'll have to become a better finisher 5 on5
I haven't heard anyone using the save game editor with the CSD patch. You can become our guinea pig!
Make your changes and let us know if any troubles arise(or not)

However, I dont quite understand what changes you want me to make with the She-Devils.Please be more specific
Nothing too much - I just though henrique's attributes deserved another look considering how he's played this year. An upgrade on some of his offensive attributes would be fine, more toward the yellow range.

I made the changes myself and used the saved game editor for a bunch of things. So far with no problems except for a freezing error when I type the Albany Farm Team in the search bar in the editor. It gives me a strange error and crashes the editor. I can post screen shots if you'd like.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate your efforts on the rosters Manimal. I don't have alot of free time but I'd be glad to help research or guinea pig-it up from time to time.

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Post by Vanaja » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:48 am

I think all contract starting dates have to changed if you use 2011 starting patch, because otherwise all young players get waiver eligibility for regular season and re-entry apply.

example:

blue jackets John Moore contract start 2005 in database. I start new game and go look waiver eligibility tab and there he is exempt for regular season waivers. then i go see player profile, klick information table and there he is eligible for waivers. now go back to waiver eligibility tab and there he is changed eligible for waivers too.

But... if I change his contract starting date 2009 in database, then he stays exemt fo regular season waivers no matter what.

contract starting date can also affect RFA situation.

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Post by archibalduk » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:16 am

Vanaja wrote:I think all contract starting dates have to changed if you use 2011 starting patch, because otherwise all young players get waiver eligibility for regular season and re-entry apply.
Hey Vanaja (wow, I remember you from the very early days of TBL! :cool:). The contract starting date (aka Date Joined) is a known issue and Manimal is working on it right now. It will be fixed for the next version of the rosters.

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Post by OliverBeckham » Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:57 am

In the Elite League you have put that Sheffield Steelers have "MILD" support, well that is inaccurate as they have nearly the same amount of support as Belfast Giants.

By the way amazing work on finally putting the date to 2011 after all these years :)

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Post by lapaz » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:35 pm

Hi, and first sorry my English, I hope that you understand... I have a few notes, most from Finnish SM-league. Some of notes may be already said... And thanks nice rosters!

Some mistakes:
- Ryan Caldwell, nationality USA --> CAN
- Mikko Koskinen, height 200cm
- Antti Miettinen --> Winipeg Jets
- Joonas Rask, position RW/C
- Mikko Laine(1976-02-09) --> Retired
- Dwight Helminen, Pelicans --> Pirati Chomutov
- Martti Järventie, Contract: 14/15

Tranfers:
Joni Karjalainen, on loan in Kiekko-Vantaa from Tappara (end of season)
Richard Lintner, on loan in Lukko from SaiPa (end of season)
Kari Sihvonen, on loan in HPK from Pelicans (end of season)
Ville Koistinen --> Salavat Yulayev Ufa
Ryan Stone --> Hamburg Freezers
Jakub Cerny --> HC Litvinov
Jakub Sindel --> Oulun Kärpät
Brett Skinner --> Tampereen Tappara
Jan Platil --> free agent
Riley Armstrong --> SaiPa
Mitja Robar --> free agent

Contract Extensions (SM-league): (scroll down...)
http://www.eliteprospects.com/index.php ... leagueid=6

SM-League teams player budgets 2011-2012 (million, euro):
Espoo Blues 1,60
Helsingin IFK 2,90
HPK 1,70
Tampereen Ilves 1,63
Helsingin Jokerit 2,90
JYP Jyväskylä 2,30
KalPa 2,40
Rauman Lukko 2,50
Lahden Pelicans 2,05
SaiPa 1,20
Tampereen Tappara 1,85
TPS 1,91
Porin Ässät 1,85

SM-League teams coaching staffs:
Espoo Blues:
Lauri Marjamäki (head)
Mikko Saarinen
Timo Hirvonen
Marko Torenius (gk)
Helsingin IFK:
Petri Matikainen (head)
Pasi Sormunen
Antti Pennanen

HPK
Harri Rindell (head)
Petteri Hirvonen
Pasi Arvonen
Hannu Nykvist (gk)

Tampereen Ilves
Seppo Hiitelä (head) (not already in db) http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=75592
Raimo Helminen
Pekka Kangasalusta
Markus Korhonen (gk)
Jarkko Welling (physics coach) (not already in db) http://ilves.com/?page_id=383 (Finnish language)
Jarkko Welling, 1971-4-26, Tampere

Helsingin Jokerit
Erkka Westerlund (head)
Tomi Lämsä (head 2012-2013)
Hannu Virta
Harri Hakkarainen (physics coach)
Markus Ketterer (gk) (not already in db) http://www.eliteprospects.com/staff.php?staff=4883

JYP Jyväskylä
Jyrki Aho (head)
Marko Virtanen (not already in db) http://www.eliteprospects.com/staff.php?staff=731
Jesse Welling (not already in db) http://www.eliteprospects.com/staff.php?staff=3241
Jarkko Hyytiä (gk)(not already in db)(also JYP Jrs) http://www.eliteprospects.com/staff.php?staff=2706
Jarkko Hyytiä, 1984-01-12, Jyväskylä

KalPa
Tuomas Tuokkola (head)
Jari Laukkanen
Ari-Pekka Siekkinen (gk)

Rauman Lukko
Juha Vuori (head), Risto Dufva(head 2012-2013 and Vuori move assistant coach)
Risto Rosendahl(physics coach)
Timo Elo
Ari Moisanen (gk)

Lahden Pelicans
Kai Suikkanen (head)
Riku-Petteri Lehtonen
Pasi Nurminen (gk)

SaiPa
Ari-Pekka Selin (head), Pekka Tirkkonen(head 2012-2013)
Ari Santanen
Janne Mälkiä
Jarmo Myllys (gk)

Tampereen Tappara
Risto Dufva (head), Jukka Rautakorpi(head 2012-2013)
Sami Hirvonen
Marko Ojanen
Janne Ojanen (not already in db) http://www.eliteprospects.com/staff.php?staff=6321
Jaakko Kailajärvi (physics coach)
Petri Tuononen (gk)(not already in db) http://www.eliteprospects.com/staff.php?staff=497

TPS
Pekka Virta (head)
Mika Strömberg
Urpo Ylönen (gk)

Porin Ässät
Karri Kivi (head)
Pasi Kaukoranta
Mikael Kotkaniemi
Kari Lehtonen (gk)
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Post by ElPayaso » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:45 pm

Is it possible to change the GM of the national teams? I noticed that Torgny Bendelin is the GM of Sweden, but it should be Pär Mårts.

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Post by y2jericho » Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:10 am

Not sure if anyone else noticed, but PK Subban seems vastly overrated in this game, if he is putting up 63 points and 76 points in 2 of three seasons thus far. Whoever did his attributes must be a huge fan with so many ratings in the 90's. He may be a good defense-men, but he certainly isn't this good.

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Post by Manimal » Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:27 pm

y2jericho wrote:Not sure if anyone else noticed, but PK Subban seems vastly overrated in this game, if he is putting up 63 points and 76 points in 2 of three seasons thus far. Whoever did his attributes must be a huge fan with so many ratings in the 90's. He may be a good defense-men, but he certainly isn't this good.
What you show there are his ratings two years from now. His attributes when starting the game is set pretty accurately I'd say. HE is listed as a -9 in PA so you might have gotten the better of it. I think Subban has the possibility of becoming a great d-man, he just isn't doing it right now IRL(as the Habs suck) I think he might be reduced some the next time around but atm there isn't time to re-rate the NHLers (as we just did it), other leagues are first in line to be changed(like the WHL which is what I am working on atm)

Also, the editor does not use alternate ratings so it's better to change it back when posting in this thread
ElPayaso wrote:Is it possible to change the GM of the national teams? I noticed that Torgny Bendelin is the GM of Sweden, but it should be Pär Mårts.
Sorry, that can not be edited
lapaz wrote:Hi, and first sorry my English, I hope that you understand... I have a few notes, most from Finnish SM-league. Some of notes may be already said... And thanks nice rosters!
Thank you! I will look at your info and add the changes

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Post by y2jericho » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:19 am

Alright, well thanks for the reply.

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Post by shanamaj » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:42 pm

Manimal wrote:PM me your e-mail adress and I'll send you a version with Adirondack in the AHL.
Could you please do this for Bridgeport too? I'll pm you my email address.

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Post by 98765432lop » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:54 pm

Mine doesn't have post 2005 history?

I can use the .CSD file patch done and I can start the game on August 31st 2011, but there's no history post 05-06

Edit: I'm using 2011-20122 Manimal v4.0 from https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=a0fa740e ... 29C5C5!430

Edit 2: I noticed Kane/Toews have updated stats though..

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Post by nino33 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:30 am

98765432lop wrote:Mine doesn't have post 2005 history?
2006-2011 history hasn't been added/updated yet; it's a huge project currently in-progress (see link for details)
http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 11#p133811

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Post by Aahlstroem » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:39 am

I've noticed something while playing with these roster wich I've never seen before. Two of the computer teams, Edmonton and Los Angeles, has great first keepers and second keepers that are several levels below the first keepers. Edmonton got Miller and LA got Quick. But they never play! Both of them are stuck on the bench beacause they always got lousy condition. It's like down on 10-15%! Since I've never seen this before I thought that it might have something to do with the 4.0-roster, so I figured that I should post it here.

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Post by batdad » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:15 pm

Nope. SOmetimes that just happens. Not sure why, but I have seen it happen a ton in other databases as well. Somehow the team has run them down.

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Post by Aahlstroem » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:00 am

All right, you learn something everyday. Thanks!

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Post by Loosie » Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:11 pm

Ok so this is something I noticed while updating the histories for the UHL. There is a Mike Lane listed as being with the Knoxville Ice Bears, however the DoB and hometown are different from the one listed on EliteProspects.com, but there is a different Mike Lane listed in Hockeydb, that does match. And for both sites this is the only Mike (or Michael) Lane listed. He is not listed on Knoxville website either.

EliteProspects Page: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=138734

HockeyDB page: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdis ... pid=135243

They do share the Utica College history though.

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Post by Manimal » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:45 pm

He is listed with Knoxville on the poinstreak site.
http://www.pointstreak.com/prostats/pla ... sonid=7619
They have him on IR
Add his EliteProspects stats and I will set him up right

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Post by Fredlig » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:03 pm

Some of the best prospects from Scandinavia that could be added

Markus Søberg
Born:1995-04-22
Birth City: Oslo, Norway
Relations: Steffen Søberg
Nationality:Norway/USA
Length:183/6'0
Weight:80/176
Primary position:RW
Secondary Position:LW
Shoots:Right
Contract:Frölunda HC 13/14

Strengths:Pace, acceleration, work rate, wristshot, slapshot, flair
Weaknesses: Stickhandling,

Type of player: Powerforward
CA:20-40
PA:-13

Oliver Bjørkstrand
Born:1995-04-10
Birth City:Herning
Relations:Patrick Bjørkstrand, Todd Bjorkstrand
Nationality:Denmark
Length:179/5'10
Weight:71/157
Primary position:RW
Secondary Position:LW
Shoots:R
Contract:Herning 13/14

Strengths:Pace, Acceleration, Agility, Anticipation, Movement
Weaknesses: Strength, Hitting, wrist/slapshot

Type of player: Offensive allround
CA:50-60
PA:-14

Nikolaj Ehlers
Born:1996-02-13
Birth City:Klagenfurt
Relations:Sebastian Ehlers, Heinz Ehlers
Nationality:Denmark
Length:166/5'5
Weight:65/143
Primary position:RW/LW
Secondary Position:C
Shoots:L
Contract:Biel U18 Youth Contract

Strengths:Anticipation,Movement,Agility
Weaknesses:

Type of player: Sniper/Allround
CA:20-30
PA:-13/-14


Kristian Nervik Nilsen
Born:1995-04-08
Birth City:Asker
Relations:
Nationality:Norway
Length:185/6'1
Weight:76/168
Primary position:RW
Secondary Position:LW
Shoots:L
Contract:Brynäs IF, Youth Contract

Strengths:Movement, slap/wristshot
Weaknesses: Agility, acceleration

Type of player: Sniper
CA:25-35
PA:-13

André Burakovsky
Born:1995-02-09
Birth City:Klagenfurt
Relations:Robert Burakovsky, Mikael Burakovsky
Nationality:Sweden
Length:186/6'1
Weight:80/176
Primary position:RW/LW
Secondary Position:
Shoots:L
Contract:Malmö, Youth Contract

Strengths:
Weaknesses:

Type of player: Sniper
CA:35-50
PA:-14

Rasmus Andersson
Born:1996-10-27
Birth City:Malmö
Relations:
Nationality:Sweden
Length:182/6'0
Weight:91/201
Primary position:LD/RD
Secondary Position:
Shoots:R
Contract:Malmö Youth Contract

Strengths:
Weaknesses:

Type of player: Defensive D
CA:20-30
PA:-13

Jacob de la Rose

Born:1995-05-20
Birth City:Arvika
Relations:
Nationality:Sweden
Length:188/6'2
Weight:83/183
Primary position:C/RW
Secondary Position:LW
Shoots:L
Contract:Leksands IF

Strengths:Anticipation, Movement, Decisions
Weaknesses:

Type of player: two-way forward
CA:45-60
PA:-14

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Post by Fredlig » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:27 pm

Played some seasons in the SEL and i got some suggestions

Sebastian Wännström
Putting up some serious points and just not occasional, on all my saves hes putting up 20-35 points in a 50-55 game season. In real life hes 8 points in 32 games, good player though. Just some tweakings in his CA and offensive role maybe will do it.
Max Friberg
Yes he was great at the WJC and starting to get his season together now, but in the game his ripping SEL apart with points. Maybe just lower his consistency a bit beacuse to me it just look like self esteem issues.
Jakob Silfverberg
Is already good in the game but in the last few games he carried the team on his back, leadership qualites and a great two way game. just a slightly improve will do.
Johan Larsson
In the game the strength is the only good attribute he got, hes a good playmaker and plays a solid two-way game. Putting up some nice numbers aswell.
Oscar Möller
Slightly to good on the game, dropped in from NHL this season and hasnt really dominated the league as his stats suggests.
Nicklas Danielsson Richard Gynge Robert Rosén
Doing great so far this season, Slightly improve

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Post by Mufred » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:08 pm

James van Riemsdyk and Paul Mara has the wrong birth place. van Riemsdyk is from Middletown Township in NJ and Mara is from Ridgewood NJ. I don't think any of those towns is in the database, van Riemsdyk has some town i Connecticut with a similar name and Mara has Boston. I suggest you change them to the closest towns to their towns that are in the db, if you can't add new towns to it.

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Post by Manimal » Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:04 am

Mufred wrote:James van Riemsdyk and Paul Mara has the wrong birth place. van Riemsdyk is from Middletown Township in NJ and Mara is from Ridgewood NJ. I don't think any of those towns is in the database, van Riemsdyk has some town i Connecticut with a similar name and Mara has Boston. I suggest you change them to the closest towns to their towns that are in the db, if you can't add new towns to it.
Thanks! I've made them into Jersey-boys now
Fredlig wrote:Played some seasons in the SEL and i got some suggestions

Sebastian Wännström
Putting up some serious points and just not occasional, on all my saves hes putting up 20-35 points in a 50-55 game season. In real life hes 8 points in 32 games, good player though. Just some tweakings in his CA and offensive role maybe will do it.
Max Friberg
Yes he was great at the WJC and starting to get his season together now, but in the game his ripping SEL apart with points. Maybe just lower his consistency a bit beacuse to me it just look like self esteem issues.
Jakob Silfverberg
Is already good in the game but in the last few games he carried the team on his back, leadership qualites and a great two way game. just a slightly improve will do.
Johan Larsson
In the game the strength is the only good attribute he got, hes a good playmaker and plays a solid two-way game. Putting up some nice numbers aswell.
Oscar Möller
Slightly to good on the game, dropped in from NHL this season and hasnt really dominated the league as his stats suggests.
Nicklas Danielsson Richard Gynge Robert Rosén
Doing great so far this season, Slightly improve
Tack! I have tweaked them as you suggested. I will add the prospects soon

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