Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by bruins72 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:39 am

I don't pay attention to it at all. You've got to remember that these messages about the scrimmages. So if a player is on one of the weaker scrimmage squads, he may get a lower rating because he's surrounded by lesser players. I pretty much ignore the messages and just focus on their performance in the preseason games.

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by bruins72 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:52 am

Please make sure to use version 1.5 of the CSD patch if you use the patch to play this challenge in 1974.

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by jesterx7769 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:30 am

Just finished Q1 at 14-6, despite how bad the team is they perform a lot better than I thought they would mainly because of the awful teams at the bottom of the league being easy wins primarily thanks to Bouchard.

I am 4th in the league in PIM and basically rely on the PP with half my goals being PP. The team has awful depth but the PP lines can take advantage against those awful teams, I beat the Senators 8-1.

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by nino33 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:59 am

jesterx7769 wrote:I beat the Senators 8-1.
Back three years ago when I started I found I couldn't make the Senators defunct, or move them in any way out of the NHL without the game crashing...so the Senators stayed. The Senators (i.e. the historical players) are actually the Michigan Stags, a WHA team that actually folded/become the Baltimore Blades midseason, and then the Blades folded at the end of the Season

The Stags/Blades (i.e. the Ottawa Senators) were not a good team http://blog.detroitathletic.com/2011/12 ... -uniforms/ http://www.whahockey.com/stags.html

And the 1974-75 Washington Capitals were the worst team (.131 winning percentage) in NHL history! They finished 8-67-5 (losing 39 of their 40 road games) http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/h ... e11246403/

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by jesterx7769 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:20 am

Yeah I was reading up on my NHL history for this and its interesting to see how things changed over the years. It's okay I will enjoy beating up those teams while I lose to the Flyers and Canadiens :-)

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by Touhotin » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:21 pm

Hi all,

I've been playing many previous challenges, and now I finally registered here!

First ten game I had serious problems with powerplay. I made few tweaks and it's getting better. Injuries was problem too, Lysiak was out 16 games, Talafous 10 games, Murray 8 games and McCreary few games too.

Good luck everyone!

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by bruins72 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:07 am

Welcome to the challenges, Touhotin! I'm glad to see that you've joined in the fun!

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by Asher413 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:59 pm

Well, S1 games 21-40 brought me back down. Played with the lines a bit, but we're still getting butchered on PIMs and scoring at even strength.

I tried these pairings for most of this set, and they brought success early, then after about 10 games slowed down (maybe I'll change tactics every 5 games or lines every 10 or so...). Also note I kept some "studs" on the second line since they were tiring from special teams time.

Bennett-Lysicak-Harvey
Chouinard-Richard-Vail
Hextall-Talafous-McCreary
Romanchych-Lysiak-Botting (sometimes Chouinard)

Yup- for a long while I was dressing two guys who weren't playing, (Comeau, Graves) as they were just adding PIMs and losing +/- to eat up minutes. I also find it funny how scared in challenges I am to put a guy on waivers, especially in this one where there's not a lot of bodies floating around, and I'd hate to lose even a so-so player and have to call up a guy who's even worse.

Bruins: I think you had back luck on Bennett- he's leading my skaters with a 7.67 average rating, along with 23 points

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by bruins72 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:05 pm

Yes, I've had very bad luck on Bennett in regards to random attributes. He's pretty much useless. Despite that, my team is doing pretty well. We're playing about .500 hockey right now.

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by eternium85 » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:06 pm

2nd quarter of season 1 was a disappointment. Though we were playing against the better teams alot, but still. I'm hoping to change things around and shake up the team by tweaking the lines. So here's what the lines look now:

Bennett-Lysiak-Vail
Chouinard-Richard-Harvey
Hextall-McCreary-Talafous
Romanchych-Leiter-Graves

Quinn-Manery
Murray-Kea
Fox-Houston

PP is still weak, but is has improved a little standing at 13.4%.

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by Touhotin » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:32 pm

For me Bennett has been stellar after slow star. Last 14 games, 23 points, +15 and Av R 9,43 (ATOI 16:30).

2nd quarter of season one was really good after injury worries. I really hope I can continue good run against Philly and Bruins.

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by jesterx7769 » Sat Aug 03, 2013 12:44 am

Bennet is poop in my game like Bruins. Lysiak is my best skater rating w/8.78

Lines are
Chouinar-Lysiak-Vail
Hextall-Richard-Harvey
Romanchych-McCreary-Talafous
Hopkins-Bennett-Leiter

Quinn-Manery
Fox-Kea
Murray-Houston

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by jesterx7769 » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:11 am

aaaaand just like that my challenge is over as I did not change the start date wiping the schedule ruining my game...

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by Manimal » Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:24 am

I started up the game but I've only made it half-way into the training camp.
I probably won't find the time to play much as I am behind in the editing of the TBL rosters

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by bruins72 » Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:45 pm

Jester, just start over. Make sure you've got the latest version of the CSD patch and be sure to change the date. You might even want to keep a backup of your save in case you make a mistake and forget to change the date on the CSD again. I know I've made that mistake too.

Manimal, it's a shame you don't get to play in the challenges more but we definitely appreciate all of the work that goes into the rosters!

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by jesterx7769 » Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:46 pm

can my uploaded stats be wiped so i can upload new ones if i start over? I have the latest patch and changed the start date to being w/but I forgot to do it w/the bad timing of around all star break so I didnt think I had any games until it was too late.

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by bruins72 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:57 am

We can ask Archi to wipe the stats once he's back online. He's off for a bit due to moving. What I suggest you do it write your stats down (put them in a spreadsheet maybe) and then you can enter them all once the old ones have been wiped.

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by Asher413 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 2:37 pm

Season 1:
Steady improvement to be .500 in the last quarter, too bad we couldn't do that earlier!

Highlights:
Youth in action: Vail, Lysiak, Chounard and Richard all had 50+ points, and are all 22 or younger. The youth up front has the goods to only need some complimentary players in the next few seasons, and I'm excited about that.
Goaltending battle: Myre and Bouchard for me were neck and neck (90.9% vs. 91.1%, 12-11-2 vs. 26-28-3, 8.32 vs. 8.26), which was nice, but I was really hoping Bouchard would take over instead of Myre being the better player most of the season (he went cold near the end).

Lowlights:
Hextall as a fighter: As pointed out earlier, he was killed as a fighter. That's what you get for going off of your previous knowledge instead of playing the players!
Omaha: Omaha was in a fight to make the playoffs, so I sent down a lot of the Atlanta talent after the season, including Vail (my Atlanta season ended with 3 games left in Omaha), and they still couldn't win one of those three games to make the show. (I was really hoping they would to give big game experience to the young core)

Transactions:
Staff:
Brought in scouts and a trainer, and only one coach (Marta Sikorski decided to defect from Poland). I personaly had a hard time getting any coaches that were helpful on the search screen to be reasonable; a side effect of the smaller database I believe. Not a big deal, but a very different way to approach it.

Offseason goals:
With so-so draft slots, it's probably going to be a build for the future draft- but I do want to pick up late (5th round plus) a goal-tending body to send to Omaha and a fighter (to hopefully come up in a couple of seasons). In free agency I'm going to need defensive help on the top end (my team has the market cornered on guys projected to be 5-6 defensemen!).
I'm going to look long and hard about trading either Myre or Bouchard. It will likely be Myre since teams keep asking about him and he has the lower ceiling, but I can't see a situation where I can leave holes in front of the net to have a guy play 25 games at most in the net.

Time to click toward the draft, and hopefully get more seasons in before the working world of education kicks back into swing!

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by eternium85 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:25 am

Season 1 is wrapped up. All in all an okay season, but I think this team could do better, I just couldn't get it perform like that. I had a bad period between games 30-50 and although had a nice run between games 50-70, I couldn't secure a playoff spot. Finished in 9th spot.

First line was dominating in the second half of the season. Lysiak was my best player with a 36g-74a-110p 8.91AvR record. Vail missed 17 games through injuries and finished with a 38g-45a-83p 8.28AvR. Chouinard improved his play in the second half of the season and had a 35g-46a-81p 7.44AvR record. After him my best players were Bennett and Harvey. I couldn't get Richard to perform like I wanted and he only had a 10g-21a-31p 6.56AvR record although playing in 2nd line and 2nd PP unit. I'll still give him a chance next season but if there's no improvement he'll be traded. Defense was lead by Quinn and Houston. I played my goalies pretty even and there is nothing bad to say about them both.

I had the 14th pick in the draft. My drafts were:

Round 1 14th pick Rod Langway RD/LD
Round 2 44th pick Jack O'Callahan RD/LD
Round 3 74th pick Dave Semenko LW/RW
Round 4 104th pick Steve Letzgus RD/LD
Round 5 134th pick Robin Sadler RD
Round 6 164th pick Jesse Armstrong C/RW
Round 7 194th pick Don McIver RD/LD

So I decided to go with defense in this draft as we are a little weak on that department.

And I wish I could have been allowed to trade players before the draft as Senators offered me a trade week before the draft including Mark Tardif for Greg Fox!! Tardif would have been a great compliment to my first two lines.

Now to the offseason and signing free agents. I'm hoping to get either a defenseman or some depth to my bottom two lines.

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by Asher413 » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:09 am

So far a very hot start to season 2- 7-2 and things are clicking. Using the following combos up front:

Chounard-Bennett-Vail
Romanchych-Lysiak-Harvey
Plett-McCreary-Houston
Botting-Richard-Talafous

But mostly logged in because this is the strangest thing I've noticed- McCreary went down, I haven't been happy with his play, but was using him for his defensive abilities and faceoff skills (AGM says he's the best, rating of 17). So you'd expect at least 50% faceoffs won over the 67 games he's played in the challenge, right? Well, for some reason I finally noticed his faceoff perentage- a mighty 20% this season, and 28% last season. :-k I'm not a big guy on the under the roof details, but it's pretty shocking to see a guy who may not have the other 'skills' I would expect to win draws (Determination, stickhandling, anticipation are 10, 12 and 11), but taking ~15 draws a game with that rating only getting 20%? ](*,)

I'm scared to imagine how my PK will go if I actually had a faceoff man win 35% of his draws...

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by bruins72 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:18 pm

Ugh! I missed the playoffs by 1 point! I was in 8th place for most of the season, even as high as 7th, and then I got hit with lots of injuries in that last quarter of season 1. It came down to the last game of the season and the Aeros made the playoffs instead of the Flames. ](*,)

Oh well! Vail came close to 50 goals (46) and some of my younger players made some good development progress. Bouchard carried the lion's share of the netminding duties but Myre had some big games, especially later in the season when Bouchard was struggling. They both had 4 shutouts. What's impressive is that Myre only played in 29 games (25 starts).

Now I've just got to get through the playoffs and get to the draft and off season. I can't wait to make some improvements to this team!

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by Animal31 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:52 am

Not gonna lie, im pretty motivated to release my database just for a fraction of these kinds of posts :B

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Post by bruins72 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:09 am

So Montreal ended up winning the Cup, beating the LA Kings in the Final. Vail was runner up for the Calder, won the Plus Minus and was named to the All Rookie Team. Chouinard wom the Byng.

Here's the really disturning thing. Montreal won the lottery with a pick they had from the Whalers.That moved them up to the second overall pick.They also had the third overall from Ottawa. And then they had their pick at 30th overal. What the Dickens? :-o

So Bossy went first to the Caps. Beck went second. Then things got a bit odd. There was a run on goalies. Millen, Bannerman, Peters and Hanlon went with the next picks. The Bulls picked a guy at #13 that was ranked #58. Then we got up to the podium with the 14th pick. Rod Langway was still available! He was ranked 7th overall and I was able to get him at 14. Not bad! He;s got size and strength and the leadership skills that be can build our blueline around. I got Semenko in the second and Craig Norwich in the third. After that, there's not much to talk about.

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by nino33 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:14 pm

Finished Training Camp/Preseason games last night!
Went 3 wins 3 losses in the preseason - beat the Cowboys, Rockies and Capitals and then lost to the Kings, Crusaders and North Stars.
I played prospect goaltender Mark Earp some...kinda cool for me as watching Mark Earp play for the Kamloops Chiefs is one of my earliest hockey memories!
I'm just about to start the season (after I decide exactly who'll be on Atlanta's roster and who will be sent to the minors)

Go Flames!

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Re: Challenge #29 - The 1974 Atlanta Flames!

Post by Asher413 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:34 am

bruins72 wrote:So Montreal ended up winning the Cup, ... Here's the really disturning thing. Montreal won the lottery with a pick they had from the Whalers.That moved them up to the second overall pick.They also had the third overall from Ottawa. And then they had their pick at 30th overal. What the Dickens? :-o
That sounds like Montreal in the 70's. 1971: Win the cup, and have the #1 overall pick (Lafleur), along with #7 and #11. 1972: Four first round picks. 1974: Five First round picks. 1976: 3. They just kept trading for picks (IMO they were able to because the old junior system had still fed them with so much talent), then winning and trading for more picks.

I also saw a goalie run in my first draft, no idea why as I was expecting some of those no-hopers to stay on the board. :dunno:

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