Challenge 42 - 98 TB Lightning - Discussion Thread

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Post by stone169 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:00 pm

Asher413 wrote:


Has anyone traded for a goalie solution? Just curious.
I drafted Lundqvist and Anderson. Traded for Martin Biron and Toskala. Season 5, Biron is gone, Lundqvist is dominating in Cleveland, and Anderson and Toskala have just helped me clinch my first playoff spot. And now with respect to m0fownz0r and Beukeboom, I just need 3 points to pass their 104 point season for Season 5. And with 8 games left to go, it looks like I'm going to do it. :joy:

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Post by stone169 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:11 pm

Looks like I got a little too cocky. I just lost Kubina and Dumont for the next 3 months. I have 6 games left until the playoffs.

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Post by stone169 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:56 pm

Made it through the first round of the playoffs thanks in part to the depth I've managed to aquire on this team. Noticible injuries:

Jordan Leopold
Pavel Kubina
Karel Rachunek
Jean-Pierre Dumont
Martin Havlat

Leopold, Rachunek, and Havlat should be back for round 2. I'm hoping Leopold can start round 2.

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Post by Tupe » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:13 pm

Not really playing the challenge, but been using about 6 goalies per season.. Turek, Nurminen, Raycroft, Denis... usually three of them out for 3-4 months per season.

Tried to get Vokoun. Sedin and Spezza not enough, Vyborny was... did not deal him.. my captain..

Played with hidden atributes since ages ago, so really hard to get and play with them.

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Post by bruins72 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:20 am

Selivanov wouldn't perform for me in any role. He'd have a decent game occasionally but beyond that, he was a dud.I too overpayed him, making it difficult to trade him. I managed to trade him for Jon Sim straight up. Sim isn't anything special but his skills fit the bottom six better.

Not sure how you got Kovalchuk over right away. Maybe he took a different path in your game? He might not have been under contract. I did have him on my shortlist since the start of the season though.

I haven't been able to swing a trade for a goalie but it's not for a lack of trying. I've been trying to get one since we were able to start trading. Nobody is biting though. This season, I'll have Bryzgalov on my NHL roster though. I picked him in our first draft. Hopefully he'll be some help. I don't think he could be much worse than Schwab was.

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Post by Peter_Doherty » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:25 am

Mistakes were made, completely forgot to take prints and i don't have a save in June :( Think i'll just play around with the db for a while instead then.

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Post by bede420 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:40 pm

After i didnt get the keepers i was looking for, i found Tyler Moss in Calgary.. He has two solid seasons in AHL, and i think he will do a decent job for us in NHL.. I also have Bierk... Moss is my starter for now, and i cant see him being any worse than Ranford/Puppa.
I think Wilkie will be traded, so i can give Streit the spot instead.

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Post by bruins72 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:25 pm

I think goaltending might become an even bigger problem for me in the future. In early into season 4. I just found out that Puppa is retiring at the end of the season. Schwab wouldn't re-sign, so he went UFA. Ranford didn't re-sign with me in season 1. Bryzgalov is in his first NHL season (and doing pretty well so far... 2-2-2 in 6 games with a 2.6 GAA and .911 SV%). My only goalie in the minors is Bierk. I still have the rights to Wilkinson but he's terrible and playing in a Czech league now. The only other goalie in my system is Niemi and he still looks a long way from being ready. I might have to sign him now to get him over in the next transfer window so he can play in the AHL. This is not how I wanted to handle him though.

So is Langkow a total dud for anyone else? He wasn't great in the first season of the challenge but he was young, so I didn't put much into it. The second season he was decent. He had a huge minus rating but so did the rest of the team. In season 3 he ended up a third liner. He managed only 15 points in 73 games. This season he's worked his way onto the forth line. I really want to get rid of him but I overpaid him to stay when I negotiated his contract in the first season. He's making $1.5M per year and nobody wants to pay that to a third of fourth line player.

Oh and because I can't stop looking at my mistakes, I had to check in on Brad Richards with Colorado. He's gotten even better! He's their second line center behind Sakic. He's got 19s in faceoffs and passing! He's got tons of green attributes. He'd definitely be the #1 center on my team right now. He's far and away better than Lecavalier. Dury (who I traded Richards for) is decent but not as good as Richards. ](*,)

I'm currently having lots of issues with my faceoffs. We're losing most of them. Drury has a 17 in faceoffs (our best at them) and he's only winning 51% of his.

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Post by saberhagen83 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:49 pm

Oh baby! Fans and board are very happy, for once. :grin: Traded Cibak, who I signed in the off-season before his rights ran out. Detroit sent Jeff Halpern and a 3rd round pick for 2002 in return! I thought that was a steal and surly my 3rd line should be much improved now. Cibak has actually been very good in the AHL this season, much better then I expected. But I don't see him making it into the NHL anytime soon, if ever. Not sure what Detroit are doing, his contract was running out but I thought they were easily persuaded. Not complaining though.

Still have a outside chance of making the playoffs. Maybe this new guy can help us make that push...at least he should be good help next season + he can do PK, so finally I have 2 centers that I can play on there. Although Pahlsson isn't too impressive for me, to be honest.

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Post by bruins72 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:52 pm

Great trade! That's definite a steal. Honestly, I think the third round pick would've been a decent deal, never mind getting Halpern. Nice work! :thup:

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Post by stone169 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:21 pm

I've really stuck with the patient approach and that paid off for me last season (2002-2003). My biggest focus was trying to improve my goaltending. I think I had Puppa for 2 seasons. Ranford was pretty serviceable for me and stuck with me until he retired last season. A season spent down in the minors with Lundqvist.

As for Langkow. I kept him around until I got a little more depth at center and Richards was ready for the #2 role, then I traded him to try and upgrade my goaltending.

I'm off to a bit of a slow start, but that's alright. I'm sure they'll show a bit more consistency and if they don't...I don't mind taking a step backward, if it means two steps forwards.

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Re: Challenge 42 - 98 TB Lightning - Discussion Thread

Post by vilifyingforce » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:07 am

nino33 wrote:
bruins72 wrote:I don't know if that person's statement is true but I do think player development has changed quite a bit in recent updates. Attribute development used to be a gradual thing, even for young players. Now it seems that young players will keep the same stats for a year or two and "pop. Suddenly they'll have much improved stats.
I think some longtime players of EHM05 have gotten so used to the issues that game had (ridiculously fast development, players staying at their peak well into their 30s, all-intense practice working, superplayers abound due to the lack of Player Roles) that they think that it represented real hockey or want it to (which the IRL data clearly shows it doesn't)......and I think some such players are really struggling with having to make the changes in philosophy/practice from EHM05.....and if they traded away their draft picks like you could in EHM05, they're now a couple/few seasons into their online league and have discovered they've destroyed their organization for many years to come, in particular when playing with those who don't have any connection to EHM05 and know only the new EHM (and aren't looking to trade picks for a vet!).....and those "new players" seem to be more likely to better understand/accept the concept of development because they seem more connected with the new/modern IRL NHL where trading is hard to do, players peak in their 20s and drafting/development are key (the opposite of EHM05!)
Hi nino,
While the online community is quite diverse, I must say that we still have GM's who don't draft and somehow they keep winning Cups. Of course after stumbling across a thread on the SI forums I can't help but feel that you really only mean one guy who is essentially blackballed from large parts of the community rather then some or most online players. I think most of us old online vets have been able to keep up just fine as I know for myself drafting and development has always been #1 for team building and I enjoy trying to find the random kids who do actually develop instead of look as is from draft day until retirement. I know online play isn't for you, but, it doesn't mean we're all somehow worse at the game, we really play an almost entirely different one.

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Post by nino33 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:31 am

vilifyingforce wrote:I can't help but feel that you really only mean one guy who is essentially blackballed from large parts of the community rather then some or most online players.
I was wondering.....that's helpful to know for the future, as I won't bother next time
I was actually trying to help him, was going to use my current testing to try to support his views with data if possible (which I even said was likely!)

vilifyingforce wrote:I think most of us old online vets have been able to keep up just fine
Yeah, I really didn't mean to paint with a broad brush...I happily stand corrected/fair enough!


Cheers to you too! :-)

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Post by bruins72 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:22 am

So I'm still last in our conference but were a much better bad than we were before. We had 6 wins in the first 20 games! That's an improvement. I've even got a bunch of plus players! Only 6 guys are a minus. Kubina is actually second in points on the team.

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Post by saberhagen83 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:00 pm

No playoffs again, pretty much expected I guess even if I did hold out some hope. Halpern came in and was a bit up and down, some great games some bad. Was a 4th rounder I got in that deal, not a 3rd. Mixed it up cause that was my first offer to them. :-) Pahlsson went off a cliff and got scratched for a while, came back as a winger and did much better. Feel I still have a lot of work to do with the 3rd/4th lines, for some reason those are the hardest to get working in this game. Renberg and Lecavalier had great seasons though. Richards did get promoted to the 1st line in Q4 and looks to be our 1C from now on, he is a stud no doubt. Having problems re-signing Mara, hope we can strike a deal now that the D is doing a little better, finding a replacement won't be easy as I have few pieces to move.

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Post by bruins72 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:27 am

Is Pahlsson any good at faceoffs for you? I can't seem to get him to win them. His scouting report even goes so far as to call him a faceoff specialist. He's terrible at them though. ](*,)

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Post by bruins72 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:58 am

I just made a steal of a deal! It pays to watch the news items. I saw a rumored deal between the Ducks and the Predators. Apparently the Predators were offering Rob Valicevic and a 5th to the Ducks for Kevin Bieksa! So I went to make my own offer and saw that they only had Bieksa valued at 3 stars. The Ducks had picked Bieksa with the 17th overall pick in the 1999 draft. So I offered Afanasenkov and the feedback said it wasn't enough. I added a 3rd round pick, just to be safe and my AGM steal thought we were on the winning end. So I offered the deal and they accepted! My board and my fans were actually happy! They celebrated the deal as a steal! Now I've just got to decide if I'm going to bring him up to my big roster now or wait a bit.

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Post by Asher413 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:41 am

What a painful first half of season 4. As always, started out around .500 first quarter, only 3 points out of a playoff spot, things looking good then... collapse. We were predicted to finish 10th in the league, so I thought "This is when we turn the corner!"

After keeping the penalties under control in season 3 (finally!), we lead the leage in PP goals against, and 3rd in PP's given up. Terrible.

I finally gave in to trading guys that my coaches say were great, but I didn't like their performance: Paul Mara and Vincent Lecavalier. Mara was still supposed to grow to be a star, but hadn't grown very much at all in 3 seasons for me. Traded him for Jay McKee to help play actual defense. Lecavalier also wasn't growing, and both he (salary demands) and my coaches wanted to treat him like the #2 center. When I traded him he had 95 points in 195 NHL games with a -53 rating, and 15 pts in 27 on the season. Since the trade- a point a game. I had a set of pretty good choices when trading him this time, but decided that I had to fix the goalie problem: Rec'd Nabakov. Then had to trade Aubin to make room, rec'd Allyn McCauley to hopefully replace the lacking Langkow (For me he actually had lost 1 total attribute point since the start).

In positive news, My prospects in Cleveland are doing well (The team is not). Josef Straka, Kovalchuk, Sharp ad Kucharczyk are all flirting off and on with 1 PPG. It looks like I'll have to move at least two forwards before next season for that group to start moving up. Niemi, Larose, Burrows and Peverly have been too good for their levels, so they will (hopefully) join Cleveland next season as well.

Now to just fix that terrible PK...

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Post by saberhagen83 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:16 am

bruins72 wrote:Is Pahlsson any good at faceoffs for you? I can't seem to get him to win them. His scouting report even goes so far as to call him a faceoff specialist. He's terrible at them though. ](*,)
Not a faceoff specialist according to my scout at least. :grin: But you're right, he is not too good at it. During his 3 seasons on my team he is 39%, 50% and now 46%. He is also consistently one of the highest minus players on my team. Will probably be moving Zamuner to the 4th for next season, hope that will help Pahlsson playing better as his wingers haven't been too stellar to be fair to the guy.
bruins72 wrote:I just made a steal of a deal! It pays to watch the news items. I saw a rumored deal between the Ducks and the Predators. Apparently the Predators were offering Rob Valicevic and a 5th to the Ducks for Kevin Bieksa! So I went to make my own offer and saw that they only had Bieksa valued at 3 stars. The Ducks had picked Bieksa with the 17th overall pick in the 1999 draft. So I offered Afanasenkov and the feedback said it wasn't enough. I added a 3rd round pick, just to be safe and my AGM steal thought we were on the winning end. So I offered the deal and they accepted! My board and my fans were actually happy! They celebrated the deal as a steal! Now I've just got to decide if I'm going to bring him up to my big roster now or wait a bit.
Nice! :thup: I will have to start paying better attention to all these trade offers going around. :-)

I am looking at moving Tucker this off season, but not sure if I could find a capable enough guy for the top 6 to replace him. Only 46p this season, yet my staff are still high on him, even considered a key player. Unfortently Rene Bourque, who could be his long term replacement, isn't quite ready for such a big role I think. And I really don't want to make a trade misstake and set this team back a few years again. I feel like we are close to taking that next step now.

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Post by bruins72 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:02 pm

Nice move to get Nabokov, Asher! I kept trying and trying to get him and now he's too old. He turned 26 and he's off limits. At this point, Bryzgalov seems to be my goaltending solution. I drafted him in the third round of our first draft and got him into the AHL for the 2000-2001 season where he played 64 games for Cleveland and lead the team to the Calder Cup. Now in his first full NHL season (he was called up for 4 games last season), he's the team's number 1 goalie and a part of our upswing. He's played 40 games so far and has a record of 18-14-5, which is pretty good considering how poorly this team had done in previous years.

I made another deal based on seeing other team's offers in the news. This one wasn't a huge steal but it definitely improved my team. I sent Kvasha and Cibak to Detroit for Halpern. I didn't steal him like Saberhagen did but I'm still pleased. Kvasha looked promising when I first traded for him in season 2 but he didn't really develop and my scouts didn'thave high expectations for him. Combining that with the $1.27M he was making, most clubs only valued him at 1 or 2 stars. He didn't want to re-sign with me either. So I figured I'd try to move him here. I didn't really have any plans for Cibak and Detroit actually put some value on him, so I did what I needed to do to make the deal.

I still have to figure out what I'm going to do with Langkow. I'd like to get something of at least slight value for him. He doesn't want to re-sign with us and he's already over-paid ($1.5M per season... a product of us trying to keep our assets and attempt to reach the salary floor) and hasn't developed. As a matter of fact, he's probably gotten worse. He had worked himself down to the 4th line this season but now with the addition of Halpern (who is on the third line, moving Pahlsson down to fourth), he's finding himself as a healthy scratch. I think if I waived him to get him down to our AHL affiliate, he'd be claimed... maybe. He's got 1 star value in trades because of his salary. I'll probably just hold onto him for now in case of injuries.

Definitely move Tucker! He never seemed to get it together for me. He should have played a heck of a lot better than he did just based on his attributes. I sent him to the Sharks (along with Sandy McCarthy) in the middle of the 2000-2001 season for Franzen. I didn't miss him and Tucker sure hasn't done much for the Sharks. Franzen hasn't done much for me yet (he's just joined our NHL roster) but was a key part of that Calder Cup winning team in Cleveland last season. He's still young too, so he's got time to develop.

I'm 48 games into season 4 and we're actually sitting in 10th place in the conference! We're only 5 points out of 8th place. This team has made such a turnaround. I've swapped Drury and Lecavalier this season. Now Drury plays on the top line and Lecavalier is on the second. I rotate their wingers though. If one line gets cold, I'll swap them around. Drury has been in the top 20 for points in the NHL for most of the season, at one point reaching 3rd or 4th. Another big part of our turnaround has been coaching. We were able to get Pat Quinn as our coach for this season. Larry Robinson joined as an assistant.

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Post by Asher413 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:48 pm

I've screwed up- I had 26 as the highest you could trade for in my head, not 25.

Which makes a mess. I traded for Skudra (1/28/00), Krivokrasov (12/29/00), and Nabokov (11/29/01) when they were 26. Skudra I traded again for the 4th rounder that became Jarkko Pyymaki.

Skudra played 25 games in season 2 and 3 as the backup for me before the second trade of him.
Krivokrasov played 34 games in season 3, and 62 games (all) so far in season 4.
Nabakov has been the starter since my trade.

I have a save two days before the Kirovkrasov trade (I believe the end of Q2 season 3- Skudra was still on the roster then)), a month before the first Skudra trade (I believe the end of Q2 season 2), and 4 days before the Nabakov trade (middle of Q2 season 4), so I could roll back to any of those points.

I guess with that information I'll throw myself on the mercy of the court. My personal prefernce would be a penalty (and release) for Skudra and roll back to before the Krivokrasov trade, since Skudra wasn't a major player for me, and that's one less season to slog through again, but I'll roll with whatever you think is fair Bruins.

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Post by bruins72 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:51 pm

Yikes. That's rough. Why don't you go ahead with rolling back to before the Krivokrasov trade. Please just PM Archi and tell him where to roll your posted stats back to. ie "Please reset my stats for everything after Q2 of Season 3" or whatever. Also, let him know that I said it was okay. You can release Skudra and we'll put a small penalty on Season 2.

Does that sound fair?

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Post by saberhagen83 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:54 am

Biggest happening heading into year 5 was a trade sending Langkow packing to Penguins, with a 6th rounder for Chris Drury. Nothing spectacular, but so far I feel we won that trade. Drury playing quite well so far (10p in 20GP and a +3) while Langkow has dropped several attributes and playing badly. Been looking hard to deal Tucker and had 3 players lined up. Couldn't strike a worthwhile deal without either giving up too much depth or breaking the rules. I did manage to get 2 trades accepted but decided against both as I didn't feel it was enough of an upgrade in the end. Will have to hope something interesting pops up along the way.

But I am very happy with the start of the season. We are 12-6-2 and sit top of the conference. Of course every other team has played less games, like every other season for some reason, so they will likely catch up and move us down a bit. Vokoun has been pretty bad and to my surprise Fernandez has stepped up so far and taken over as the no1 for now. Took a little while but the 4th line seems better now, but of course Pahlsson get injured for a month. So will see if they can keep up the play. Halpern still to inconsistent for my liking. Not sure what to do with that 3rd line.

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Post by bruins72 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:11 am

You got Drury for cheap! Langkow and a 6th for him? Jackpot I'd be lucky to get a 6th for Langkow.

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Post by Asher413 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:00 am

bruins72 wrote:Yikes. That's rough. Why don't you go ahead with rolling back to before the Krivokrasov trade. Please just PM Archi and tell him where to roll your posted stats back to. ie "Please reset my stats for everything after Q2 of Season 3" or whatever. Also, let him know that I said it was okay. You can release Skudra and we'll put a small penalty on Season 2.

Does that sound fair?

Sounds good. So glad you made a comment about Nabakov's age before I got even farther!

The good news is it forced me to work on my '72 DB with spare time today.

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