Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by bruins72 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:56 pm

Still no trade or waiver claim for me.

I was just looking at the draft for this season (season 4) and it's certainly got some interesting players in it. I'm seeing even more of the guys I'm familiar with or saw play. Here's a sampling... Michel Goulet, Lindy Ruff, Duane Sutter, Dale Hunter, Mike Gartner, Guy Carbonneau, Dino Ciccarelli, Mike Krushelnyski, Neil Broten, Tim Kerr, Rollie Melanson, Thomas Steen, and Jari Kurri. Those are just the guys who are ranked to go in the first round. I saw some others ranked a little past that who I recognized too. Oh how I wish we were bad enough to draft Ruff, Hunter, Gartner, or Ciccarelli. Steen or Kurri might be realistic targets though, as long as somebody doesn't pick them earlier than they're ranked.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by Primis » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:48 pm

bruins72 wrote:Still no trade or waiver claim for me.

I was just looking at the draft for this season (season 4) and it's certainly got some interesting players in it. I'm seeing even more of the guys I'm familiar with or saw play. Here's a sampling... Michel Goulet, Lindy Ruff, Duane Sutter, Dale Hunter, Mike Gartner, Guy Carbonneau, Dino Ciccarelli, Mike Krushelnyski, Neil Broten, Tim Kerr, Rollie Melanson, Thomas Steen, and Jari Kurri. Those are just the guys who are ranked to go in the first round. I saw some others ranked a little past that who I recognized too. Oh how I wish we were bad enough to draft Ruff, Hunter, Gartner, or Ciccarelli. Steen or Kurri might be realistic targets though, as long as somebody doesn't pick them earlier than they're ranked.

You should see the next draft after that. Gretzky, Bourque, Savard, Messier, Coffey, Nicholls, Anderson, Larionov, Murphy... and that's not including the second tier of guys who are still good (Babych, Shedden, Malarchuk, Larmer, Broten, Ludwig, Ramsey, Konroyd, Barr, McRae). It's crazy.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by bruins72 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:27 pm

Nice! That's definitely incentive to keep playing off of this save!

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by outdooral » Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:50 pm

Finally got back to this game and have got to the 50 game mark of season 1. The team is doing well, kind of locked in to 5th place in the west. LA, Winnipeg and California are well ahead .
Grant Dionne Redmond and Berenson are my offence Goaltending has been good . Brown has played 22 games with a 2.79 GAA and Rutherford 2.47.in 33 starts. Rutherford got injured and missed about 10 games, since coming back Ive be trying to play both goalies .

Any one been able to get anything from Polonich. Looking at his attributes , other then size he should be a pretty good player on this team. In my game he has the lowest rating of 6.29. Hes played in 28 games, seems to always have low or very low morale.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by bruins72 » Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:32 pm

Polonich has been a perpetual 4th liner for me. Jarry has floated between the 3rd and 4th lines. Bergeron has been solid as my 3rd line RW.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by XenHL » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:07 am

For me, Polonich has been nothing but a useless thug and a liability, so apart from a brief spell of 20-some games, I've kept him buried in Virginia. I've found Bergeron to be quite solid, unspectacular but keep him on my checking line where he performs acceptably.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by bruins72 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:25 am

I made my trade. I sent my backup goalie, Andy Brown, to Buffalo for Jack Brownschidle. He's a big offensive defenseman that should replace Gary Bergman. I just couldn't keep Bergman in the lineup any longer. I kept him in there for 21 games but he didn't just it anymore. He wasn't even keeping a 7.00 average rating. I brought Wilson back into the lineup but I don't want to put too much pressure on him. I might keep Wilson in the lineup in a lesser role so I can keep him on the PP. Bergman is definitely out though.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by bruins72 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:47 pm

Brownschidle seemed to have gave my team the boost that they needed. We ended up 6th in the conference. I ended up keeping Wilson in the Detroit lineup, even after acquiring Brownschidle. I used them as as my top 2 LDs. For my third LD I alternated between Bathe and Watson. Dionne ended up leading the league in points with 129 (46G 83A). Grant was third in the league in points with 112 and lead the league in goals with 57. I just wish I could get my second line working as well as that top line. If I can get a nice offensive center to play with Cashman and Kelly, they'd be great.

So the Canadiens won the President's Trophy for being the top team in the league during the regular season... again. We ran into St. Louis in the first round of the playoffs and beat them in 6 close games. Next up was the Canucks. We beat them in 6 games as well, also close ones. Then when it got to the conference finals we had to face the Kings again. They're a tough team in the playoffs. Vachon is a wall against us in the playoffs. The Kings ended up beating us in 5 games. So now there's another LA Kings vs Montreal Canadiens Stanley Cup Final. And wouldn't you know it... the dreaded Habs won the Stanley Cup again. They've got a dynasty going here!

I'll post again once I've got the awards and done my draft.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by bruins72 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:10 pm

Okay... awards!

Dionne: Art Ross winner, Hart Memorial 2nd place, Lady Byng 2nd place, Plus Minus Award 3rd place, First All-Star Team

Grant: Art Ross 3rd place, Lady Byng winner, Rocket Richard winner

Doug Wilson: Calder winner, Rookie All-Star Team

Wayne Connelly: King Clancy winner

And my draft...

Rd1 19th Dino Ciccarelli RW CAN 6'1" 194 lbs
When it came time for my pick, I had Dino, Duane Sutter, and Tim Kerr left on the board. I went with Dino Ciccarelli because I remembered him playing for Detroit late in his career and thought it would be neat for him to start out there. Also, he looked like the BPA. My scouts call him a Utility Player with First Line Potential. He looks like a good all-around player to me. I'm guessing that between him and Rick Vaive, my future at RW is looking pretty good.

Rd2 49th Jay Miller LW/RW USA 6'4" 211 lbs
There seemed to have been a big drop-off in talent at this point and I saw a name I recognized. I remember watching Jay Miller fight for the Bruins when I was a kid. He was a beast! My scouts say he's a defensive forward with 3rd line potential. You can never have too much toughness.

Rd3 79th Jacques Cloutier G CAN 6'0" 174 lbs
I was looking to draft a goalie at this point because I needed one in my prospect pool. There were a couple other that my scouts suggested but I had never heard of them and they didn't look all that great. I decided to take a chance on Cloutier because I recognized the name. I think I may have seem him play back in the 80's but I can't say for sure. It was worth a shot.

Rd4 109th Greg Boivin C CAN 6'1" 187 lbs
I needed a center for my prospect pool and there wasn't much available that looked all that great at this point. Boivin had some really nice physical attributes and some decent mental attributes, so I decided to give him a shot. My scouts say he's an energy forward with 2nd line potential. Not bad.

Rd5 139th Cedric Hornung RD CAN 6'7" 180 lbs
The pickings are slim from here on out. I started looking at some of the guys my scouts suggested and saw this guy. He was so tall but really needs to fill out his frame. He's got great physical attributes and decent mental attributes. Like the last guy I drafted, why not? Scouts say he's a 7th defenseman but compared him to a bigger Thommie Bergman.

Rd6 169th Georges Watkins C CAN 5'9" 165 lbs
Nothing special here. There's not much left. He could be a future 4th line depth guy but will most likely just be an AHL filler guy

Rd7 199th Marc-Antoine Leonard LD CAN 6'1" 194 lbs
It's a throw-away pick but I kind of like this guy. He's got some good mental attributes (most notably high marks in Aggression, Bravery, and Workrate) and he's a good skater. He could be a really good team guy for an AHL team or maybe he'll surprise some folks and make it as a bottom pairing guy in the NHL. I liked this pick for a 7th rounder.

So now I've just got some simming to do so I can get my screenshots and log my stats. I don't know if I'll have a chance to log a 5th season for the challenge but I like this save enough that I want to keep playing.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by outdooral » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:28 pm

Just had the best month in a challenge I think I’ve ever had. 9-0-1 for the first 10 games in February. Bad news is in the 10th game we lost Dionne for 3 weeks. The last game in Feb was a 4-2 loss to Chicago. So we have 84 points and are still in 5th after 64 games.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by bruins72 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:57 pm

Losing Dionne has been my biggest fear for this challenge. I think this team could survive losing anybody BUT him.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by Primis » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:04 am

bruins72 wrote:Losing Dionne has been my biggest fear for this challenge. I think this team could survive losing anybody BUT him.
Losing Grant is pretty devastating too. Grant and Dionne are both quite injury-prone in the DB it seems. I've had one playoff run in 4 seasons where they both stayed healthy. Needless to say, with either of them hurt I never advanced.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by nino33 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:20 am

FYI Dionne's Injury Proneness is 1, with a Natural Fitness of 19...Grant's Injury Proneness is 12, with a Natural Fitness of 14

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by XenHL » Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:44 am

Dionne's been pretty good for me so far in not getting injured, but there was one multiple-month injury he had, luckily Kindrachuk could carry some of the slack (not all, but he tried and did quite well), and there was one 40 game stretch in which everything went south, when Kindrachuk was out three months, then Dionne got hurt for a bit, then Grant afterwards for a longish spell.

The only other time Dionne's been out for me for a long period was at the beginning of a playoffs - I can't remember the details now, but between the next-to-last game of the regular season and game 2 of the first round I lost Dionne, Brasar and a couple other regulars to injury. Needless to say, Chicago finished us off easily after that.

If I didn't have someone like Kindrachuk there, yeah, without Dionne things would look very bleak. As prospects develop, though, I think that single player won't be as life-or-death... but first few seasons? Definitely.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by XenHL » Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:47 am

bruins72: just looked at your season 4 4th quarter stats... WOW! You were 14-7-1, I was 14-6-2. We both had the same in goals for and against, too! (92:74) :D

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by bruins72 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:10 am

That's pretty crazy that our 4th quarters were nearly identical. I'm pretty sure that at this point we've both got very different teams.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by XenHL » Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:48 am

bruins72 wrote:That's pretty crazy that our 4th quarters were nearly identical. I'm pretty sure that at this point we've both got very different teams.
That's a fair bet.

Most usually, through the last season I had the following lines:

Bengt-Ake Gustafsson - Marcel Dionne - Danny Grant
John Tonelli - Orest Kindrachuk - Per-Olov Brasar
Hank Nowak - Guy Charron - Bernie Saunders
Nick Libett - Bill Hogaboam - Michel Bergeron

(Though Gradin had a 30-game stretch in there while Kindrachuk missed 32 games due to injury)

with the following D pairs:

Brian Engblom - Jean Hamel
Charlie Huddy - Claire Alexander
Bryan Watson - Dean Turner

with Thommie Bergman as my 7th D-man, Doug Grant as my starting goalie and Dunc Wilson as backup.

Only Hamel, Turner and Engblom had over 100 PIM, none over 200, I'd say my team's style is more akin to the WHA Jets or the Habs of the period, than the Bruins or Flyers style.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by bruins72 » Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:16 am

You're playing Hamel over T. Bergman? Thommie is a stud for me!

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by XenHL » Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:40 am

This was the first season where I gave Hamel serious ice time, before this he'd been the 7th guy and Bergman got the ice time. Bergman missed some games though to injury, and I put Hamel in his place, and he played well enough for me to let him stay there, I think he's finally starting to develop into a solid guy (unlike Engblom, who /boom/ stepped in and was excellent from his first NHL game on!)... 53 points (9g 44a) in 79 games with 178 PIM I think merits a permanent spot as one of the top three D-men!

Alexander's been pretty consistently underwhelming, though, so next season I may try Bergman in his place.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by outdooral » Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:31 pm

Finally completed season 1. Took a long time to get it done but it was fun. I think I panicked a bit before my last post. Turns out Dionne was only out for 1 week ,not 3 as i first though. He ended up 6th in league scoring with 38G 73A 111Pts. Grant was close behind in 8th with 47G 62A 109 Pts.
We finished 5th in the west with 106 Pts and got to meet California in the first round of the playoffs.It didnt go well...out 4-1, we just couldnt seem to get much past Meloche.
Chicago won the Stanley Cup over the Rangers, behind the stellar goaltending of T. Esposito 16-5, 1.51GAA, 94.5 SV%.in the playoffs.

In the draft we picked John Tonelli (LW) with our first pick and 22nd overall. then picked up Jim Korn LD/LW and Scott Campbell LD/RD. In the later rnds I took Dave Semeko LW/RW and Eddie Olczyk, both of whom were unranked.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by bruins72 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:35 pm

Semenko was unranked? Wow! He was ranked as a 2nd/3rd rounder in my game and I drafted him in the 2nd round. You got lucky! I just brought him onto the 4th line of my team in season 5 (although I doubt I'll get this one logged to count for the challenge). He stayed in junior the full stretch, then did a season in the AHL. Now I've got him on the 4th line as an enforcer. I'm just starting the season (only 3 games in) and he's had 1 fight, which he's won.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by fz50 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:04 pm

Are there any chances of extending the challenge deadline on this one? This challenege is the most fun I've had since the Oilers challenge. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get more than two seasons in yet.

Great work by everyone involved in creating both the challenge and database though. Fun stuff! :joy:

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by bruins72 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:44 am

How much of an extension are you looking for? If it's just a couple days to finish off a season, no problem. Beyond that, we'll have to see. We've got the next challenge lined up to coincide with the new 5.0 database. Once that database is ready, I'll be looking to launch a new challenge ASAP.

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by fz50 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:47 am

I was pretty much just looking for more playing time. If indeed this challenge ends on November 6th, don't let this be the last challenge played on the "old" database! This has been a great experience!

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Re: Challenge 25: Detroit Red Wings (Discussion)

Post by Primis » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:27 pm

bruins72 wrote:How much of an extension are you looking for? If it's just a couple days to finish off a season, no problem. Beyond that, we'll have to see. We've got the next challenge lined up to coincide with the new 5.0 database. Once that database is ready, I'll be looking to launch a new challenge ASAP.
If you want a really, REALLY accurate 5.0 DB Challenge, Manimal should finish it and then refuse to release it unless his forum demands are met.

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