POLL: Overloading/Icetime Tactics

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Should we allow teams to Overload in the PO?

Poll ended at Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:45 pm

Yes, I like to overload. Please keep it
2
11%
No, we need to revise the rules to prohibit overloading until we have live sims
10
56%
Overloading is fine, I would like to reduce the not playing 20 to 1 game in the PO and keep it 2 games in the regular season
6
33%
 
Total votes: 18

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POLL: Overloading/Icetime Tactics

Post by aussiehabit » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:45 pm

Hi All, it has come to the attention of a few GMs in the league that there are teams that are taking advantage of the overloading to create an unfair advantage of their opponents in the PO (even the regular season). We would love your thoughts on this tactic as it seems to be progressively getting worse. Do we want to play in a fair league or do we want a few team loading up on allstars to win at all cost. Here are some stats from our playoffs, you can have a look for yourself. There's also the NHL stats for the PO to compare real life AVG TOI/GP.

If we were having live sims, this debate would not be in play.

Though this game is not real life, it should allow for fair play, somewhat level playing field and enjoyment for everyone. Thanks for reviewing the stats and would love your thoughts on this. :thup:

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Highlights:

Round 1:

Leafs/Bruins - Leafs resorted to 2x in the 6th and 7th game by playing only 19 and Bruins did the same in game 7
Leafs played on 19 in their 1st game also (reason unknown)

Habs/Sabres - Habs were leading 3-0 before the Sabres decided to overload and the total avg toi for their 4th line in the last 4 games was 2.16mins.


Round 3:

Avs/Oils - Oils overloaded in their game 6 OT win over the Avs by only playing 19

Stanley Cup: Sabres played short (19) in game 4 in an desperate attempt to stay alive

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In Real Life NHL: Playoffs icetime for all forwards at the bottom end of the scale. The bottom 50 forwards icetime and calculated their AVG TOI/GP

Bottom 50 forwards in the 2015/16 PO: 8.36 mins

In Real Life NHL: Stanley Cup Finalist - Pittsburg Penquins vs the San Jose Sharks
The total forward AVG TOI/GP was calculated and also the bottom 3 ice time for each team is shown

Penguins AVG TOI/GP: 14.31 mins

Bottom 3 players AVG TOI/GP
11.3 mins
11.18 mins
9.19 mins

Penguins AVG TOI/GP: 15.3 mins

Bottom 3 players AVG TOI/GP
12.2 mins
9.48 mins
9.45 mins

[table][tr][th][/th][th]Round 1[/th][th][/th][th][/th][th][/th][th][/th][th][/th][th][/th][th][/th][/tr]
[tr][th]Team[/th][th]Game 1[/th][th]Game 2[/th][th]Game 3[/th][th]Game 4[/th][th]Game 5[/th][th]Game 6[/th][th]Game 7[/th][th]TOI AVG/PLAYER[/th][/tr]
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[tr ][td][/td][td]Sens 4-1[/td][td]Sens 5-3[/td][td]Devs 2-0[/td][td]Devs 4-2[/td][td]Devs 2-1[/td][td]Devs 4-2[/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Devils 4[/td][td]LW: 10.25 C:16.08 RW: 11.05[/td][td]LW: 9.07 C:7.10 RW: 3.57[/td][td]LW: 11.04 C:12.42 RW: 10.06[/td][td]LW: 10.19 C:11.54 RW: 8.58[/td][td]LW: 10.25 C:16.08 RW: 11.05[/td][td]LW: 10.54 C:9.41 RW: 8.45[/td][td][/td][td]10.37[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sens 2[/td][td]LW: 5.58 C:1.15 RW: 1.10[/td][td]LW: 1.24 C:12.12 RW: 1.25[/td][td]LW: 2.46 C:2.07 RW: 11.38[/td][td]LW: 3.22 C:0 RW: 2.46[/td][td]LW: 11.42 C:3.20 RW: 2.48[/td][td]LW:10.42 C:0.04 RW: 0.04[/td][td][/td][td]4[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td][/td][td]Caps 4-3[/td][td]Rags 4-1[/td][td]Caps 6-2[/td][td]Rags 6-3[/td][td]Rags3-2 OT[/td][td]Caps 4-1[/td][td]Caps 4-2[/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Capitals 4[/td][td]LW: 3.15 C:4.52 RW: 4.26[/td][td]LW: 3.42 C:5.52 RW: 5.16[/td][td]LW: 3.26 C:4.30 RW: 5.43[/td][td]LW: 1.29 C:2.36 RW: 0.27[/td][td]LW: 7.47 C:5.54 RW:5.55[/td][td]LW: 3.47 C:2.39 RW:1.17[/td][td]LW: 2.45 C:1.03 RW:2.46[/td][td]3.54[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]NYR 3[/td][td]LW:11.09 C:11.24 RW:12.57[/td][td]LW:12.15 C:9.38 RW:14.38[/td][td]LW:2.00 C:2.29 RW: 5.52[/td][td]LW:2.55 C:2.34 RW:3.01[/td][td]LW:12.04 C:9.10 RW:17.0[/td][td]LW:7.24 C:8.04 RW:6.58[/td][td]LW:12.52 C:11.20 RW:11.23[/td][td]8.73[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td][/td][td]Bruins 5-3[/td][td]Leafs 4-3 OT[/td][td]Bruins 3-0[/td][td]Bruins 5-2[/td][td]Leafs 4-3[/td][td]Leafs 3-1[/td][td]Bruins 3-1[/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bruins 4[/td][td]LW: 5.07 C:1.59 RW: 0.40[/td][td]LW: 1.58 C:8.01 RW: 4.57[/td][td]LW: 4.07 C:1.34 RW: 1.05[/td][td]LW: 5.53 C:0.34 RW: 0.50[/td][td]LW: 5.38 C:0.59 RW: 2.02[/td][td]LW: 2.09 C:0.24 RW: 0.27[/td][td]LW: 4.55 C: 0* RW:1.57[/td][td]2.43[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Leafs 3[/td][td]LW:16.03 C: 0* RW: 3.57[/td][td]LW:2.59 C: 7.55 RW: 9.11[/td][td]LW: 2.52 C: 2.41 RW: 6.14[/td][td]LW: 3.32 C: 3.56 RW: 5.51[/td][td]LW: 2.51 C: 1.50 RW: 0[/td][td]LW: 0* C: 0.48 RW: 1.15[/td][td]LW: 0* C: 5.42 RW: 3.13[/td][td]3.66[/td][/tr]
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[tr ][td][/td][td]Habs 3-2[/td][td]Habs 2-0[/td][td]Habs 3-2 OT[/td][td]Sabres 4-1[/td][td]Sabres 6-2[/td][td]Sabres 4-2[/td][td]Sabres 5-2[/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Habs 3[/td][td]LW: 9.05 C:10.22 RW: 8.38[/td][td]LW: 7.32 C:6.16 RW: 7.43[/td][td]LW: 14.29 C:16.04 RW: 16.10[/td][td]LW: 12.0 C:10.38 RW: 9.17[/td][td]LW: - C:11.24 RW:10.41[/td][td]LW: 9.20 C:10.02 RW: 9.10[/td][td]LW: 12.46 C:11.58 RW: 11.38[/td][td]10.11[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sabres 4[/td][td]LW:8.02 C: 9.16 RW: 8.50[/td][td]LW:7.07 C: 8.56 RW: 8.47[/td][td]LW: 14.33 C: 15.31 RW: 15.32[/td][td]LW:1.50 C: 1.41 RW: 1.48[/td][td]LW: 1.53 C:2.02 RW: 2.01[/td][td]LW: 2.46 C: 2.50 RW: 2.50[/td][td]LW: 1.59 C: 2.35 RW: 4.29[/td][td]6.06[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td][/td][td]Avs 4-2[/td][td]Avs 6-2[/td][td]Blues 4-3[/td][td]Blues 3-2[/td][td]Avs 7-2[/td][td]Blues 3-2[/td][td]Avs 6-3[/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Avs 4[/td][td]LW: 3.33 C: 5.52 RW: 5.57[/td][td]LW: 3.25 C: 9.34 RW: 8.32[/td][td]LW: 4.49 C:9.59 RW: 11.13[/td][td]LW: 3.25 C: 10.08 RW: 6.55[/td][td]LW: 5.27 C: 7.17 RW: 2.23[/td][td]LW: 6.39 C: 8.36 RW: 5.59[/td][td]LW: 7.32 C: 12.03 RW: 10.31[/td][td]6.09[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Blues 3[/td][td]LW: 7.09 C: 7.35 RW: 11.02[/td][td]LW: 5.51 C: 6.18 RW: 9.36[/td][td]LW: 0.16 C: 1.10 RW: 2.51[/td][td]LW: 12.10 C: 6.42 RW: 12.13[/td][td]LW: 0.02 C: 4.59 RW: 6.16[/td][td]LW: 2.37 C: 4.53 RW: 4.15[/td][td]LW: 0.50 C: 0.40 RW: 2.56[/td][td]5.06[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td][/td][td]Jets 6-3[/td][td]Jets 3-2[/td][td]Wild 3-2[/td][td]Wild 3-2[/td][td]Wild 5-3[/td][td]Jets 5-2[/td][td]Jets 3-1[/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wild 3[/td][td]LW: 13.48 C: 11.44 RW: 12.29[/td][td]LW: 13.40 C: 12.51 RW: 11.55[/td][td]LW: 13.19 C: 14.33 RW: 15.12[/td][td]LW: 10.27 C: 11.26 RW: 10.16[/td][td]LW: 14.03 C: 12.07 RW: 12.41[/td][td]LW: 10.39 C: 12.17 RW: 12.11[/td][td]LW: 13.10 C: 12.4 RW: 12.55[/td][td]12.39[/td][/tr]
[tr ][td]Jets 4[/td][td]LW:6.4 C: 6.58 RW: 7.06[/td][td]LW: 10.14 C: 9.53 RW: 7.59[/td][td]LW: 14.4 C: 15.14 RW: 13.52[/td][td]LW: 7.04 C: 7.23 RW: 9.51[/td][td]LW: 5.36 C: 6.25 RW: 5.10[/td][td]LW: 10.43 C: 10.3 RW: 11.15[/td][td]LW: 6.52 C: 9.31 RW: 8.27[/td][td]8.9[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td][/td][td]Oils 4-3[/td][td]Oils 4-3 OT[/td][td]Preds 4-2[/td][td]Oils 4-1[/td][td]Oils 3-2[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Oilers 4[/td][td]LW: 11.55 C: 12.01 RW: 11.52[/td][td]LW: 23.34 C: 19.12 RW: 17.20[/td][td]LW: 13.07 C: 12.01 RW: 14.01[/td][td]LW: 9.34 C: 13.19 RW: 11.42[/td][td]LW: 13.44 C: 13.39 RW: 14.51[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]13.94[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Preds 1[/td][td]LW:10.14 C: 14.23 RW: 12.02[/td][td]LW: 24.16 C: 25.33 RW: 24.39[/td][td]LW: 10.15 C: 12.01 RW: 15.51[/td][td]LW: 10.50 C: 11.30 RW: 10.50[/td][td]LW: 13.11 C: 13.32 RW: 12.56[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]14.61[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td][/td][td]Yotes 3-1[/td][td]Flames 4-3[/td][td]Yotes 5-2[/td][td]Yotes 5-3[/td][td]Yotes 3-2 OT[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Yotes 4[/td][td]LW: 6.21 C: 6.45 RW: 5.19[/td][td]LW: 6.44 C: 6.06 RW: 6.36[/td][td]LW: 6.09 C: 8.16 RW: 7.10[/td][td]LW: 6.12 C: 8.03 RW: 9.16[/td][td]LW: 8.34 C: 5.49 RW: 5.18[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]7.27[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Flames 3[/td][td]LW: 3.14 C: 6.57 RW: 5.50[/td][td]LW: 1.39 C: 8.26 RW: 8.23[/td][td]LW: 5.43 C: 6.07 RW: 5.17[/td][td]LW: 6.24 C: 5.30 RW: 5.08[/td][td]LW: .59 C: 5.24 RW: 6.39[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]5.17[/td][/tr]
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[tr][th][/th][th]Round 2[/th][th][/th][th][/th][th][/th][th][/th][th][/th][th][/th][th][/th][/tr]
[tr][th]Team[/th][th]Game 1[/th][th]Game 2[/th][th]Game 3[/th][th]Game 4[/th][th]Game 5[/th][th]Game 6[/th][th]Game 7[/th][th]TOI AVG/PLAYER[/th][/tr]
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[tr][td][/td][td]Devils 5-1[/td][td]Caps 6-2[/td][td]Caps 5-4[/td][td]Caps 4-3 OT[/td][td]Caps 6-5 OT[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Caps 4[/td][td]LW: 4.23 C:5.21 RW:4.03[/td][td]LW: 2.39 C:3.11 RW: 5.06[/td][td]LW: 11.04 C:12.42 RW: 10.06[/td][td]LW: 2.31 C: 7.4 RW: 7.24[/td][td]LW: 3.59 C:7.23 RW: 8.24[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]6.24[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Devils 1[/td][td]LW: 12.35 C:8.04 RW:7.27[/td][td]LW: 7.22 C:5.50 RW: 7.47[/td][td]LW: 9.09 C:3.51 RW: 2[/td][td]LW: 11.14 C:8.50 RW: 4.44[/td][td]LW: 5.55 C: 5.11 RW: 0.56[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]6.52[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td][/td][td]Bruins 4-3[/td][td]Sabres 5-2[/td][td]Sabres 4-2[/td][td]Bruins 3 - 1[/td][td]Sabres 3-2[/td][td]Bruins 4-2[/td][td]Sabres 4-2[/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Bruins 3[/td][td]LW: 3.49 C:1.48 RW: 0.36[/td][td]LW: 2.57 C:7.59 RW: 0*[/td][td]LW: 2.33 C:2.02 RW: 6.19[/td][td]LW: 3.01 C:8.23 RW: 1.52[/td][td]LW: 4.17 C:5.27 RW: 4.38[/td][td]LW: 2.41 C: 2.37 RW:3.05[/td][td]LW: 2.45 C:1.03 RW:2.46[/td][td]3.18[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sabres 4[/td][td]LW:2.39 C:3.51 RW: 3.17[/td][td]LW:10.05 C11.16 RW:13.16[/td][td]LW: 11.02 C: 10.25 RW: 11.36[/td][td]LW: 9.48 C: 12.40 RW: 12.03[/td][td]LW:8.14 C: 3.10 RW: 4.09[/td][td]LW: 5.28 C: 2.09 RW: 2.14[/td][td]LW:4.53 C:0.14 RW:1.14[/td][td]6.69[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td][/td][td]Oils 3-2[/td][td]Oils 4-2[/td][td]Oilers 3-2[/td][td]Coyotes 3-2[/td][td]Oils 5-3[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Oils 4[/td][td]LW: 11.25 C: 12.13 RW: 12.40[/td][td]LW: 13.34 C: 13.15 RW: 11.51[/td][td]LW: 11.15 C: 12.34 RW: 11.57[/td][td]LW: 11.34 C: 9.45 RW: 7.55[/td][td]LW: 7.32 C: 12.03 RW: 10.29[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]11.12[/td][/tr]
[tr ][td]Yotes 1[/td][td]LW:5.12 C: 3.54 RW: 4.07[/td][td]LW:8.20 C: 8.06 RW: 7.32[/td][td]LW: 4.30 C: 3.20 RW: 2.47[/td][td]LW: 5.53 C: 5.01 RW: 4.18[/td][td]LW: 6.43 C: 7.14 RW: 15.17[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]5.98[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td][/td][td]Avs 3-2[/td][td]Avs 3-2 OT[/td][td]Avs 3-2[/td][td]Avs 4-3[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Avs 4[/td][td]LW: 7.32 C: 8.4 RW: 5.58[/td][td]LW: 10.13 C: 8.40 RW:9.43[/td][td]LW: 9.02 C: 14.23 RW: 8.57[/td][td]LW: 5.48 C: 6.47 RW: 5.41[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]8.2[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Jets 0[/td][td]LW:4.33 C: 6.17 RW: 4.49[/td][td]LW:11.52 C: 15.04 RW: 11.26[/td][td]LW: 7.20 C: 9.42 RW: 12.39[/td][td]LW: 9.49 C: 9.48 RW: 8.04[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]9.07[/td][/tr]
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[tr][th]Team[/th][th]Game 1[/th][th]Game 2[/th][th]Game 3[/th][th]Game 4[/th][th]Game 5[/th][th]Game 6[/th][th]Game 7[/th][th]TOI AVG/PLAYER[/th][/tr]
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[tr][td][/td][td]Caps 3-1[/td][td]Caps 4-2[/td][td]Sabres 4-2[/td][td]Sabres 3-2 OT[/td][td]Sabres 4-3 OT[/td][td]Sabres 4-3 OT[/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Caps 2[/td][td]LW: 1.56 C: 2.11 RW: 5.40[/td][td]LW: 4.39 C: 7.50 RW: 7.34[/td][td]LW: 1.49 C: 2.01 RW: 3.15[/td][td]LW: 3.04 C: 12.09 RW: 3.29[/td][td]LW: 7.32 C: 12.03 RW: 10.29[/td][td]LW:2.18 C: 9.06 RW: 2.35[/td][td][/td][td]5.36[/td][/tr]
[tr ][td]Sabres 4[/td][td]LW:6.29 C: 3.5 RW: 4.05[/td][td]LW:7.26 C: 5.24 RW: 5.19[/td][td]LW: 5.06 C: 1.12 RW: 0.56[/td][td]LW: 8.03 C: 6.10 RW: 4.37[/td][td]LW: 7.35 C: 5.07 RW: 5.02[/td][td]LW: 4.09 C: 2.20 RW: 1.05[/td][td][/td][td]4.53[/td][/tr]
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[tr][td][/td][td]Avs 4-1[/td][td]Oils 6-3[/td][td]Oils 3-2 OT[/td][td]Avs 5-2[/td][td]Avs 5-4[/td][td]Oils 4-3 OT[/td][td]Oils 4-3 OT[/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Avs 3[/td][td]LW: 8.03 C: 8.42 RW: 8.5[/td][td]LW: 4.28 C: 5.21 RW:6.21[/td][td]LW: 8.53 C: 9.23 RW: 10.30[/td][td]LW: 5.02 C: 3.43 RW: 4.21[/td][td]LW: 4.30 C: 3.42 RW: 3.28[/td][td]LW:5.49 C: 6.11 RW: 6.07[/td][td]LW: 5.57 C: 5.27 RW: 6.02[/td][td]6.04[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Oils 4[/td][td]LW:11.25 C: 10.43 RW: 10.47[/td][td]LW:9.53 C: 10.39 RW: 9.48[/td][td]LW: 10.42 C: 9.25 RW: 13.15[/td][td]LW: 13.53 C: 11.28 RW: 10.17[/td][td]LW: 3.21 C: 11.26 RW: 2.00[/td][td]LW: 1.46 C: 12.08 RW: 0*[/td][td]LW: 4.23 C: 12.30 RW: 2.36[/td][td]8.49[/td][/tr]
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[tr][th]Team[/th][th]Game 1[/th][th]Game 2[/th][th]Game 3[/th][th]Game 4[/th][th]Game 5[/th][th]Game 6[/th][th]Game 7[/th][th]TOI AVG/PLAYER[/th][/tr]
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[tr][td][/td][td]Oils 4-3 OT[/td][td]Oils 4-3 OT[/td][td]Oils 1-0[/td][td]Oils 4-2[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sabres 0[/td][td]LW: 10.36 C: 10.27 RW: 8.5[/td][td]LW: 4.39 C: 7.50 RW: 7.34[/td][td]LW: 10.49 C: 9.47 RW: 8.26[/td][td]LW: 3. C: 0* RW: 0.03[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]6.63[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Oils 4[/td][td]LW: 13.25 C: 12.12 RW: 9.04[/td][td]LW:7.26 C: 5.24 RW: 5.19[/td][td]LW:10.5 C: 11.09 RW: 14.46[/td][td]LW: 7.17 C: 2.24 RW: 2.57[/td][td][/td][td][/td][td][/td][td]8.34[/td][/tr]
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* denote that the player did not play any mins during the game

** Edited to add the 3rd option to the poll after feedback from other GMs
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Re: POLL: Overloading/Icetime Tactics

Post by bauxjangles » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:27 pm

I agree on overload should be taken out. To me overload is broken you can ice 3 ahl players on minimum contracts and just pay more to your top 9 forwards. They play 20 min each a game usually so the 4th line is absolutely useless. We should have to ice all have to ice 4 lines.

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Post by danoj22 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:32 pm

I voted to leave it in. I don't use it myself, but part of what makes the game is beating someone else at their own tactics. It is getting just stupid how many rules we now put on a game that is suppose to be fun. Why don't we just say you can only run one kind of tactic and dumb it down some more. It seems like that is where it is heading in every league.

Seems like everyone is striving for it to be as "real" as it can be and if we start taking out the ability for teams to utilize the tactics available to them it just becomes a cookie cutter game where you can't win if you don't have the better players. Do you think the NHL is stopping teams from double shifting lines and players during a game?

This is the kind of petty, useless, small thing that is being complained about that is really making EHM in general not fun anymore.

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Re: POLL: Overloading/Icetime Tactics

Post by swiftwin » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:28 am

I love the thorough analysis.

But, basically, what we're saying is that the team that overloaded the least won the cup this year? :-k

I kinda agree with Dano. Also, none of these poll options apply to me. My answer is yes, but I don't like to overload.

I honestly think that keeping my top players fresh helped me in the long run, especially when I had 4 OT games in a row. Compare that to Arizona, who played the Domi & Stromes line 24-28mins a game against the Oilers. They didn't score a single point beyond the first period the entire series against the Oilers. Their minutes were much lower against the Flames, and they performed better.

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Post by Cap'n » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:48 am

Terribly leading biased poll.

Your assertion that a tactic that is available for any and all to use in game violates "fair play" and distorts a "somewhat level playing field" is absurd. Any GM can choose to employ any tactic in game at any point. That you're artificially restricting yourself is the only thing that could create an unlevel playing field.

While the overload tactic may convey an advantage over a 4 line team over short periods of time the effect that it has on the players conditioning is cumulative and particularly detrimental if the teams should play into lengthy overtime periods as are prone to happen in the playoffs. After facing the Caps in the Eastern Conference finals and finishing with 2 OT games my team was in terrible condition to face the Oilers and then found itself in two OT games to start that series, both losses.

While you noted above instances where a team employing the overload tactic was successful you failed to mention that ultimately the teams that have won the past four Stanley Cups (Oilers, Avalanche, Avalanche, Capitals) all ran a balanced 4 lines.

This playoff season was the first time I used this tactic aside from a game 7 here and there. While I had some success with it, I definitely didn't win every game with it. And it forced me to think about if I wanted to maintain a defensive 4th line and use those players on the pk, or use an offensive one and use the players on the PP. and how many games could I go before I needed to go back to normal to rest my fwds. And which game was strategically best to do that, especially when I was matched up against other teams using overload.

Using this tactic, as I did in 16 of 25 games I played this PO, forced me to use way more strategy than I had ever before. Flatly ruling that everyone has to use normal all the time just forces a different style on everyone. The same style I've played for years. And we all have to go back to fighting over the best cheap two-way fwds for the bottom 6.Guys have lamented all the "one way" players. Well guess what, this gives them a role!

Finally, you're wanting to ban a tactic because "it forces everyone to play the same way." (though long term is unsuccessful) So we'll make a rule that forces everyone to play the same way...

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Re: POLL: Overloading/Icetime Tactics

Post by Cap'n » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:51 am

nice... poll answers changed mid poll.

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Post by aussiehabit » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:04 am

it's called taking feedback from the league to find a middle ground. :thup: Solution provider :joy:
won the past four Stanley Cups (Oilers, Avalanche, Avalanche, Capitals) all ran a balanced 4 lines.
We do not have stats to back this up unfortunately. Also the Oilers overload in the crucial game 6 of this PO to force game 7. Things could have been different if they played 20. We will never know!!!

the poll was not created to single anyone out but to find a healthy ground for us all to enjoy the game.

this game is not 05, there are plenty of variations that you can employed so I don't think you are limited in any way.
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Post by douglast5 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:37 am

I tend to play my lower guys on PK so they get more ice time and I know not everyone does this but there are teams not following the 20 people must play rule at the very basic that might need to be tweaked.

Leafs broke 4 times
Bruins broke twice
Sabres broke once
Oilers broke once

I think if you break the rule in an elimination game and win then you lose your top guy next game. Breaking the rule to try and not get eliminated. If its in a series ending game idk how you would do this, maybe ban them in their next elimination game.

Leafs did it in three back to back elimination games (won two lost one)
Oilers broke the rule while facing Elimination (they won the game and ended up winning the series)
Sabres broke the rule while facing Elimination (they lost)

Just to clarify a bit I am not talking about when a player plays a minute, 30 seconds ect. An existing rule is that all 20 players take part in the game (even if minor). The thing is if this is okay (since you need to do it twice) everyone should just be playing 2 lines or barely 3 in an elimination game.

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Post by Mauso » Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:51 am

Hey guys, I run this test in offline and after that brought to attention of rest of commish team.
Guys, this the result of the testing I was able to do today. Tactics were set on default, only thing I changed was forward/defense usage. I never did lines and always just clicked on option to ask HC to set lines.

These are the results:
Ducks 4 – 6 Canadiens NORMAL (both teams)
TEST 1 Ducks in 5
TEST 2 Canadiens in 7
TEST 3 Canadiens in 7
TEST 4 Ducks in 5
TEST 5 Ducks in 6 NOTE: Price out for game 6
TEST 6 Canadiens in 5
TEST 7 Ducks in 6
TEST 8 Canadiens in 5
TEST 9 Canadiens in 5
TEST 10 Canadiens in 7

Ducks 1 – 9 Canadiens CANADIENS OVERLOAD
TEST 1 Canadiens in 6
TEST 2 Ducks in 6
TEST 3 Canadiens in 6
TEST 4 Canadiens in 7
TEST 5 Canadiens in 5 NOTE: Silfverberg out for game 5
TEST 6 Canadiens in 5
TEST 7 Canadiens in 6
TEST 8 Canadiens in 6 NOTE: Pacciorety injured games 1-4, Price injured 4-5
TEST 9 Canadiens in 6
TEST 10 Canadiens in 5

Ducks 8 – 2 Canadiens DUCKS OVERLOAD
TEST 1 Ducks in 7 NOTE: Kesler, Perry injured whole series, Galchenyuk since game 4
TEST 2 Ducks in 4
TEST 3 Ducks in 6
TEST 4 Ducks in 4
TEST 5 Canadiens in 7
TEST 6 Canadiens in 6
TEST 7 Ducks in 4
TEST 8 Ducks in 6
TEST 9 Ducks in 7
TEST 10 Ducks in 6

Few things you are not getting:
Overload is not double shifting. Yes you achieve slightly higher ice time for your top line, but not that much to call it double shifting of 1st line. Most significantly it impacts ice time of your 3rd line.

Another thing regarding the jadedness. There are several teams who used this tactic even in regular season. According to all your theories, they shouldve been crashed in 1st or 2nd round. Well they werent and for the love of god, Coyotes arent overloading (they actually never broke dress and play 20 rule because their player didnt play if he was dressed). So no, it doesnt have significant impact on condition of player.

And this even isnt tactical aspect. You just set them to overload and start praying they will jump on ice, so stop lying to yourself.

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Re: POLL: Overloading/Icetime Tactics

Post by swiftwin » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:14 pm

Another thing regarding the jadedness. There are several teams who used this tactic even in regular season. According to all your theories, they shouldve been crashed in 1st or 2nd round. Well they werent and for the love of god, Coyotes arent overloading (they actually never broke dress and play 20 rule because their player didnt play if he was dressed). So no, it doesnt have significant impact on condition of player.

And this even isnt tactical aspect. You just set them to overload and start praying they will jump on ice, so stop lying to yourself.
But the game completely lacks a fine control of ice time. It seems totally random, and some teams/coaches/etc have weird trends of distributing TOI. You just admitted that Arizona doesn't overload, yet their top line always plays an insane amount of time on ice (always 24+mins). When I put my forwards on normal ice distribution, McDavid rarely ever breaks 20 mins. Sh!t, I ran my forwards on Normal in game 3 against the Sabres, and Bouma, my 4RW played 3 seconds less than Eberle, my 1RW, and Bouma has no special teams responsibilities. That's not fair. I thought, this is [SNIP], so I ran overload in game 4 to try to end the series. And now you're trying to remove even more opportunity to fine control my ice time.

And now the poll is even more fluffed, you're (vic) trying to vote split the "yes" vote to get what you want.

Besides, how do you even enforce this? I ran overload in games 5,6,7 against the Avs, and game 4 against the Sabres. And only once did I get 0 mins. Other games I overloaded, my 4th line averaged almost the the same as Arizona's non-overloading 4th line. How would you be able to tell the difference? Another example: Game 2 against the Sabres, I ran Normal; Game 4, I ran Overload. Their ice times looked almost the same despite the fact that game 2 even went to OT.

I also remember my first playoff series. I completely avoided overloading because I had no idea how it worked, and I just thought it wasn't allowed. My opponent started overloading after I went up 3-0, and I ended up getting reverse swept. In game 7, my 4th line C, Anton 'POS' Lander had as much TOI as McDavid. That's beyond [SNIP]. I shouldn't be punished for this [SNIP]. This is why I focus hard on having a really deep team, because I know the game f*cking hates my team or head coach and does this stupid [SNIP].

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Re: POLL: Overloading/Icetime Tactics

Post by swiftwin » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:51 pm

aussiehabit wrote:it's called taking feedback from the league to find a middle ground. :thup: Solution provider :joy:
won the past four Stanley Cups (Oilers, Avalanche, Avalanche, Capitals) all ran a balanced 4 lines.
We do not have stats to back this up unfortunately. Also the Oilers overload in the crucial game 6 of this PO to force game 7. Things could have been different if they played 20. We will never know!!!

the poll was not created to single anyone out but to find a healthy ground for us all to enjoy the game.

this game is not 05, there are plenty of variations that you can employed so I don't think you are limited in any way.
Except I didn't just overload game 6. I overloaded games 5, 6 AND 7. I don't get to chose if the game decides to play my 4th line 3 to 12 minutes or 0 minutes when I overload. Some teams seem to be able to overload consistently and never have 0 mins. Some teams seem to be able to run normal and get their 4th line 5-6 mins a game. The reasons why some teams can do this seems to be luck of the draw with coaching staff, players atts and voodoo magic. Enforcing this kind of rule punishes the teams unlucky enough to not to have their team/staff be blessed with this voodoo-like ice time management. The fairest thing is to allow GM's to use all the tools in the game to manage their ice time. But still keep the existing rule as it is in order to prevent "overdoing it", or even running three-line or two-line only tactics.

I bet the Avs also overloaded towards the end of that series (or even most of that series). If they didn't overload, then it's pretty fluffed up that they managed to get a lower 4th line TOI avg than I did in games 5 and 7 running on normal, while I overloaded. If we enforce this type of blanket rule, then I'm getting severely punished just because the game, for some random reason (maybe coaching atts?), likes to play my 4th line way more than anybody else.

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Post by swiftwin » Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:32 pm

My final thoughts:

Nobody wants realistic 4th line minutes more than I do. I've always cherished the role playing part of the game, and strive to play the game realistically as a real life GM would. However, I don't believe there is an easy solution to this problem. The in-game options for ice time management are <SNIP>. There is a ton of variation from team-to-team based on unknown factors.

There are three tools that you can use in game that vary ice time:
-The usual time management one (ie. Equal, Normal, Overload, etc.)
-The shift lengths per unit (ie. 20secs, 30secs, 40secs, etc.)
-Line matching. If you match certain lines against opponent's lines that play alot, your matched up line might play more.

Against the Avs, I did no line matching, and I set my shift length to 40-40-30-20, which is fairly normal.
In game 4, I ran Normal distribution, and the Avs also ran Normal. My 4th line averaged 11.66mins. The Avs 4th line averaged 4.22mins!!
In game 5, I switched to Overload, he remained on Normal. My 4th line averaged 5.49mins. The Avs 4th line averaged 3.66mins!!.
In game 6, I remained on Overload, he remained on Normal. I got 4.51mins. The Avs got 5.89mins
In game 7, I remained on Overload, he remained on Normal. I got 6.29mins. The Avs got 5.62mins

As you can see, two of the three times I went overload this series, the Avs' 4th line still got less ice time than mine even though he was on Normal, and I was on Overload. Not only that, but the lowest 4th line TOI of any game from either side that series was actually Colorado in game 5, without even overloading! The second lowest was again Colorado in game 4. But everyone goes "hur dur, Edmonton overloaded in game 6 to stay alive, that cheater...".

Then look at the finals, in game 3, my 4th line averaged a whopping 12.01 minutes of ice time. I was forced to go to overload in game 4 to bring that number down to a more reasonable 4 minutes.

All I'm saying is that banning overload is NOT the solution to the problem, and it just punishes the wrong people. The game's ice time management options are very very poor, there's a bunch of variation from team to team based on unknown factors, and there's not much we can do about it. I feel like the current rules are good enough to prevent people from "overdoing it", and going for even crazier things like two or three lines only tactics.

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Re: POLL: Overloading/Icetime Tactics

Post by archibalduk » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:05 pm

Please can we have no further bypassing of the swear filter. I want to keep this a family-friendly forum.

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Re: POLL: Overloading/Icetime Tactics

Post by elrune1988 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:57 pm

While you noted above instances where a team employing the overload tactic was successful you failed to mention that ultimately the teams that have won the past four Stanley Cups (Oilers, Avalanche, Avalanche, Capitals) all ran a balanced 4 lines.

This playoff season was the first time I used this tactic aside from a game 7 here and there. While I had some success with it, I definitely didn't win every game with it. And it forced me to think about if I wanted to maintain a defensive 4th line and use those players on the pk, or use an offensive one and use the players on the PP. and how many games could I go before I needed to go back to normal to rest my fwds. And which game was strategically best to do that, especially when I was matched up against other teams using overload.
I am going to come late to the party. I just made a trade which will signify the end of my rebuild and my desire to get back into the playoff picture so I see it as a little more pertinent that I answer this poll. This poll seemed to me to be a playoff poll, so I will be honest I didn't pay attention. I didn't feel it was right for me to tell playoff teams how to go about their competitions.

I am going to paraphrase Matt's post here, because I think it is an awesome point. In my opinion this is way over blown. I also understand that I have come under a little microscope because I used overload at the end of the GHL season and in the playoffs. It was the first time I really used the tactic. So it was interesting seeing how it works. I noticed that all the time, one of my players wasn't playing, so I took steps to try and correct distribution in offline since the win. Realistically, there was no difference between icing a team with Overload and icing a team on normal, but deploying overload like tactics in ice time distribution. I.e 90/30/30/30 through unit tactics. The only difference was, it was a little trickier to get all guys playing when using overload. In fact, I had a ton of fun just as Matt said, trying to tinker to make sure everyone was getting ice. It was a new challenge and that's what I love about this game, after playing for 15 years, I can still find new ways to broaden my horizons. In fact, my team started performing BETTER once I took my forwards away from overload and used normal for the forwards.

As someone who has been in the online community for an extended period of time, I think individuals get married to the fact that the game needs to be realistic. Isn't it realistic enough? What is realistic about multiple teams having players finish with over 100 points? Are we going to start restricting for that? What is the limit that we put on attempting to achieve realism? Is it realistic that a player will ask for 6.9 million from you when they are on your team and then once they are in UFA, they will drop their demands to 4.9 million? My point being is that this is not a realistic game to begin with, it dabbles in realism...but there are flaws to exploit at every level of this game that if you start looking to restrict everything, you are going to end up not being able to do much.

My final point on this is that I don't think that we should be creating rules simply for the playoffs. This poll and also comments in our chat room have indicated that we don't really care about the reg. season ice time tactics. For me, that's a flawed rule. I wouldn't want to be the team that is left 3 points out of the playoffs spot because a team is supposedly gaining an advantage through tactics they cant use once they get there. That is stupid.

If this is going to be a rule, it needs to be heavily observed in both the reg. season and the playoffs. Someone who has voted to implement this restriction should volunteer to observe each team's games to ensure that no team is using it on a consistent basis. If there is a chance GM's are sneaking it in here and there, we have a flawed system.

I am going to go to a saying my father always told me, "Think with your heart, play with your head." What that means here is...I understand the convictions towards realism. I get it. But don't let that affect the performance of your team against those who do not share the same convictions as you. Overload is not a perfect tactic and I performed better in my offline save after removing overload from my tactical set. Getting upset because someone used a tactic to beat you that you refuse to use because of how you feel in your heart about the game is not doing you justice.

I just hate all these restrictions and people who want to play one way, telling those who want to play another way how it is. Then getting upset and running off when someone comes up with a counter stance. lets just have fun and play the game as it was made. Fun and flawed.

I cannot officially vote any longer...but I vote to leave everything as is. IMO it establishes a greater set of tactical options to choose from. The rule itself if it were to be implemented, needs a champion who will monitor and crack down on people who use it. It will need someone dedicated to doing so on a sim-by-sim basis (so maybe a few people who can rotate). A better rule imo would be to limit ice time distribution, set a cap players cannot go above. Set a cap players can't go below. At least that way you can quantify it. Even in this thread, people cannot seem to pinpoint who is using overload. So we need someone who will be dedicated to going in as each GM and looking at their tactics screen to ensure they are doing the right thing.

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Re: POLL: Overloading/Icetime Tactics

Post by elrune1988 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:26 pm

These are the results:
Ducks 4 – 6 Canadiens NORMAL (both teams)
TEST 1 Ducks in 5
TEST 2 Canadiens in 7
TEST 3 Canadiens in 7
TEST 4 Ducks in 5
TEST 5 Ducks in 6 NOTE: Price out for game 6
TEST 6 Canadiens in 5
TEST 7 Ducks in 6
TEST 8 Canadiens in 5
TEST 9 Canadiens in 5
TEST 10 Canadiens in 7

Ducks 1 – 9 Canadiens CANADIENS OVERLOAD
TEST 1 Canadiens in 6
TEST 2 Ducks in 6
TEST 3 Canadiens in 6
TEST 4 Canadiens in 7
TEST 5 Canadiens in 5 NOTE: Silfverberg out for game 5
TEST 6 Canadiens in 5
TEST 7 Canadiens in 6
TEST 8 Canadiens in 6 NOTE: Pacciorety injured games 1-4, Price injured 4-5
TEST 9 Canadiens in 6
TEST 10 Canadiens in 5

Ducks 8 – 2 Canadiens DUCKS OVERLOAD
TEST 1 Ducks in 7 NOTE: Kesler, Perry injured whole series, Galchenyuk since game 4
TEST 2 Ducks in 4
TEST 3 Ducks in 6
TEST 4 Ducks in 4
TEST 5 Canadiens in 7
TEST 6 Canadiens in 6
TEST 7 Ducks in 4
TEST 8 Ducks in 6
TEST 9 Ducks in 7
TEST 10 Ducks in 6
What happens when they are both on overload? Can we try a non-playoff team against a playoff team and get results? This report just seems so slapped together half-heartedly on the assumption that no one cares about, nor are they detailed with their lines.
And this even isnt tactical aspect. You just set them to overload and start praying they will jump on ice, so stop lying to yourself.
For me personally, one of the reasons that I am not inclined to listen to arguments in this proposition is the way it is being handled. I have been paying attention for like a week and a half and I am already sick of it. Like, I do not understand what you mean by what is in bold here. It seems like we are making assumptions in regards to how people deploy their ice time. Someone telling me that I am lying to myself is not going to be getting my vote for a policy change, just sayin'. For myself personally, whenever I make any change it is well thought out and I adjust everything, including distribution for my 4th line. I am seeing a lot of behavior not characteristic of some people who are spear heading this possible implementation. My suggestion would be to take a step back and find a way to take an objective approach to this. One where you can sit through a conversation with someone who disagrees with the point of views being presented without having to say things like, "I don't have time for this". As I know personally, if I had a conviction about something I will sit there and talk about it with everyone and anyone who has an argument or objection. Because right now the message is coming across as whining.

I don't mean that to sound rude, because I think you are a great guy Michal. As well as Vic, who is mostly congenial in all of the conversation that I have had with him. Don't let your conviction get in the way (I am guilty of having allowed convictions to take over in the past and recently through working on it I have learnt that my message is much more effective since I have started working on using my head to think and not my heart).

I will illustrate my point with a story. At my work I spent 4 months working to implement a process change which I thought was beneficial to everyone. I spent HOURS on this report and presented my findings. It was really well thought out. Management told me to wait they wanted to check a few things. I whined a bit because like, look at how clearly obvious and beneficial this would be. So I just went ahead and tested it. Anyway, while we were testing it all out, there was an issue and it ended up costing the company some money. Based on this one incident alone, management put everything I had been working on in the garbage, even though it would have been an awesome policy change. I was told to do things the right way if I wanted all my work to be realized. Putting a bad taste in someones mouth is never the way. Show some tact.
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Re: POLL: Overloading/Icetime Tactics

Post by elrune1988 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:52 pm

Except I didn't just overload game 6. I overloaded games 5, 6 AND 7.
But the game completely lacks a fine control of ice time. It seems totally random, and some teams/coaches/etc have weird trends of distributing TOI. You just admitted that Arizona doesn't overload, yet their top line always plays an insane amount of time on ice (always 24+mins). When I put my forwards on normal ice distribution, McDavid rarely ever breaks 20 mins. Sh!t, I ran my forwards on Normal in game 3 against the Sabres, and Bouma, my 4RW played 3 seconds less than Eberle, my 1RW, and Bouma has no special teams responsibilities. That's not fair. I thought, this is [SNIP], so I ran overload in game 4 to try to end the series. And now you're trying to remove even more opportunity to fine control my ice time.
Two more awesome points. It seems that no one can pin point who is even using overload. As for my GHL playoffs, it was suggested that I "started" using overload when I started playing St. Louis, when in reality, I started using it in March. In the GHL, my highest ice time player was Weber, he had an ice time of 24 minutes. he was 12th in the playoffs in ice time. My next highest ice time contributor was at 49 on the top-50.

There are just too many holes in the logic here. Look at Arizona, who overloads without overloading. Anything and everything can be exploited.

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