philou21 wrote:Nice deal fur the Ducks though! That's a steal. You should also consider that maybe the player accepted to get paid a little less so the Ducks could keep their core.
If that was true then he would have signed before the season, no?
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:00 pm
by nino33
Peter_Doherty wrote:
philou21 wrote:Nice deal fur the Ducks though! That's a steal. You should also consider that maybe the player accepted to get paid a little less so the Ducks could keep their core.
If that was true then he would have signed before the season, no?
Maybe he thought the Ducks would fold? At the pay rate of his new contract he'd already lost over half a million sitting out (and if the Ducks weren't budging, that amount of "lost money" was only going to increase)
I wish the players would stop exercising the escalator clause every year, and just accept financial reality. Final numbers are not yet released for last year (when the escrow was 17%); the previous 3 years the players lost 12.95%, 10.2% and 14.7% of their salaries (so those that think the Salary Cap is going up every year, it's actually most definitely not!)
With the low Canadian dollar (no signs of that changing anytime soon) affecting HRR, and a disproportionate amount of HRR coming from Canada, at some point there's going to have to be a reckoning (a significant Salary Cap reduction); I think this is likely affecting contract amounts for more recent signings
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:50 pm
by Peter_Doherty
We can book a lockout in 2020 already. Kinda funny that Lindholms contract is structured in a way to account for a lockout, his lowest salary year is 2020/2021 with only $3.75m that year.
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:56 am
by CJ
Patrik Laine's wrister speaks again.
Peter_Doherty wrote:We can book a lockout in 2020 already. Kinda funny that Lindholms contract is structured in a way to account for a lockout, his lowest salary year is 2020/2021 with only $3.75m that year.
That's weird. And only 3 mil. this season also.
Contracs are usually equal or start high and then decline. Surprised to see O'Reilly getting 11 mil. this season.
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:30 pm
by Aladyyn
Early season fun with small sample sizes:
Ristolainen with Gorges 39.4 CF%
Ristolainen without Gorges 51.6 CF%
Gorges without Ristolainen 19.0 CF%
Less fun fact: Bylsma said he likes what Gorges brings to the pairing
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:48 pm
by CJ
Aladyyn wrote:Early season fun with small sample sizes:
Ristolainen with Gorges 39.4 CF%
Ristolainen without Gorges 51.6 CF%
Gorges without Ristolainen 19.0 CF%
Less fun fact: Bylsma said he likes what Gorges brings to the pairing
Hahhaaha.
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David Pastrnak suspended 2 games for this hit.
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:26 pm
by philou21
Craig Anderson's personal reason for leaving the team is actually his wife learning that she has cancer. That sucks.
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 11:40 pm
by nino33
philou21 wrote:Craig Anderson's personal reason for leaving the team is actually his wife learning that she has cancer. That sucks.
That does suck
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:20 am
by Peter_Doherty
That actually sucks a lot
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:43 am
by MWE
5 goals in the first period of the Flyers vs Penguins been a good game so far
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:09 am
by ClassicSwarley
MWE wrote:5 goals in the first period of the Flyers vs Penguins been a good game so far
Fun game for a Pens fan or just a neutral fan- as a Flyers fan, I died a little on the inside after those three quickly conceded goals.
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:37 am
by philou21
It's refreshing to see players like Radulov and Weber with MTL. They put up so far a good entertainment. Weber's goal that made it 2-1 was a lazer shot. I'm amazed each time he scored with a snap. Can't believe some players have to guts to stand in front of him!
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:02 am
by Aladyyn
Last night was like Pysyk never left! Still helping the good guys
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:35 am
by Modano
Does anybody know what happened to Nashville? Losing of Shea Weber shouldn't be huge problem, they've got P.K. Subban... I wonder why they are loosing almost every game. I've seen them only once this season (win against Chicago) and they looked quite impressive.
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 12:17 pm
by Peter_Doherty
Modano wrote:Does anybody know what happened to Nashville? Losing of Shea Weber shouldn't be huge problem, they've got P.K. Subban... I wonder why they are loosing almost every game. I've seen them only once this season (win against Chicago) and they looked quite impressive.
Not really sure what's wrong but forwards are definitely underperforming, they're just not scoring, add that they have one of the worst starters in the league in Rinne.
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 1:58 pm
by Modano
Whoa! I've just checked on Rinne's stats, they are just awful, he's overpayed just like Dallas' netminders. I remember Rinne as great goalie, an absolute elite level... Even if I don't care about Nashville it's sad to see he didn't come back after injury
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:37 pm
by nino33
Modano wrote:Losing of Shea Weber shouldn't be huge problem, they've got P.K. Subban...
IMO Weber is everything Subban is offensively and so much more (a defensive game, a physical presence, real leadership); Subban's been great at promoting himself, but with what he brings on the ice and to a team with his "presence" it doesn't surprise me that Nashville's struggling
IMO Montreal won the hockey trade hands down, Nashville may have won the entertainment trade (but even in future years I don't see Subban ever being anything than a source of entertainment, he can't possibly be a real leader with the "me first" perspective; I don't think Subban will ever play for Team Canada, or win a Stanley Cup)
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:51 pm
by philou21
nino33 wrote:
Modano wrote:Losing of Shea Weber shouldn't be huge problem, they've got P.K. Subban...
IMO Weber is everything Subban is offensively and so much more (a defensive game, a physical presence, real leadership); Subban's been great at promoting himself, but with what he brings on the ice and to a team with his "presence" it doesn't surprise me that Nashville's struggling
IMO Montreal won the hockey trade hands down, Nashville may have won the entertainment trade (but even in future years I don't see Subban ever being anything than a source of entertainment, he can't possibly be a real leader with the "me first" perspective; I don't think Subban will ever play for Team Canada, or win a Stanley Cup)
I think it proved my point when I gave my opinion about the trade. The season is still young but people who were whining in Quebec about that trade are no where to be found these days.
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:54 pm
by Peter_Doherty
Modano wrote:Whoa! I've just checked on Rinne's stats, they are just awful, he's overpayed just like Dallas' netminders. I remember Rinne as great goalie, an absolute elite level... Even if I don't care about Nashville it's sad to see he didn't come back after injury
He dropped off a cliff like 4 years ago, bounced back some 14/15 but he's been terrible for 3 of the last 4 seasons and started this season horribly aswell.
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:56 pm
by Peter_Doherty
PK is still a better individual player then Weber imo, he drives play 5v5 in a way Weber isn't capable of. Weber does however fit Habs system better and he's really really good on the PP.
The contracts alone means that Preds won that trade for me almost no matter what happens on the ice.
I think Preds will get going soon enough.
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:16 pm
by Aladyyn
If Bylsma decided to ditch the stretch pass for good, Sabres are easily a playoff team with Kane and Eichel
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:53 pm
by nino33
Weber's already got more PP goals than Subban had all of last season! And Subban was supposed to be the more offensive between the two
Given Weber's scoring, and the fact he's MUCH better at actually playing defense (and one of the few guys that can still intimidate other players with their hitting, changing the way other players play), I don't think "5v5 driving the play" stats matter much
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:26 am
by Aladyyn
Sure, Weber is good, very good even. But Subban is a top 5 defenseman in the world.
The Weber hype is going to die out when the inevitable regression hits Montreal
Re: Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:29 am
by nino33
Aladyyn wrote:But Subban is a top 5 defenseman in the world.
In self promotion maybe! in reality he's not even top 5 on Team Canada