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Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:33 pm
by Manimal
nino33 wrote:
Manimal wrote:The non-retired modern players are good enough for that
You are remembering that I removed 2400 modern players right?
Yes, but you must consider that someone with a CA of 75+ is considered good enough to be a regular in the juniors. Not many juniors are above 100 in CA.
A -5 PA player might become a star with the right surroundings

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:46 pm
by nino33
Manimal wrote:"Yes, but you must consider that someone with a CA of 75+ is considered good enough to be a regular in the juniors. Not many juniors are above 100 in CA. A -5 PA player might become a star with the right surroundings
Agreed!
When I change the "modern" Europeans/Russians to have a 20 Loyalty and a 1 Adaptability they likely won't show up in the first few years even if drafted....

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:18 pm
by batdad
Over 4.50 is totally fine by me back then..especially with Ron Low in Washington. :-D Dude was absolutely horrible there. We made fun of him, even at like 7 years old. We used to pretend we were the Habs and Flyers and sometimes Leafs and score 90 goals on 90 shots when we had a buddy pretend to be Ron Low. Sometimes we also pretended he had the game of his life....and made 3 saves out of 100 (ONLY against Toronto of course cause they sucked back then too) :-D So awesome to see him at the bottom of the goalie stats in EHM...right where he belongs. Boy you gotta wonder how bad Washington's back up was.

Oh...be careful....those stats are only one person's game...could be very very different in others. i would love to see the goalie and scoring stats from others games in the first season as well before making to many changes. Again though...totally up to you.

And um the Isles won the cup in 74-75? Wow.....that is way too good. They WERE BRUTAL.

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:40 pm
by nino33
nino33 wrote:i would love to see the goalie and scoring stats from others games in the first season as well before making to many changes
I don't plan on changing Attributes until I reivew ALL the NHLers at the same time.....but I do know I want Parent/Dryden/Esposito/Vachon (and maybe Cheevers) at the top for pretty much everybody! They actually were much better than the other NHL goalies in the mid 70s

batdad wrote:And um the Isles won the cup in 74-75? Wow.....that is way too good. They WERE BRUTAL
Your memory is failing you old man! HaHa
IRL In 1974-75 the Islanders finished 8 games above .500 and then they beat the Rangers in the first round, the Penguins in the next round (coming back from 3 games down to win 4 games to 3), and then lost in game 7 of the semis to the eventual Cup winners the Flyers (again coming back from 0-3 down to tie the series before losing game 7).....IMO opinion they shouldn't be legitimate cup conteners at start-up in "EHM74", but they're close..... (they might have won a cup or three between 76-79 if the Habs weren't so dominant...and then they won the cup 80-83 with many of the core/key players they had in 1974-75)

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:57 pm
by batdad
OH yeah right...Totally forgot about that. I still say they were brutal though. :-D

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:22 am
by nino33
Maybe you were thinking of their first season, 1972-73, when they went 12-60-6.....

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:52 am
by XenHL
A little update from me:

Found a grey player named "Steve CHAIRMANJamison".

Saw Ivan Boldirev has USA/CAN citizenship and no birthplace. His birthplace should be Zrenjanin, Serbia, and his nationalities should be Serbian and Canadian. Probably Canadian first and Serbian second, as his family moved to Canada when he was very young.

Am now going to go play my test game with the Totems for a few hours!

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:17 am
by nino33
XenHL wrote:Found a grey player named "Steve CHAIRMANJamison".
Thanks to Arch most have been deleted.....further review/deleting of the "weird names" is needed


XenHL wrote:Saw Ivan Boldirev has USA/CAN citizenship and no birthplace. His birthplace should be Zrenjanin, Serbia, and his nationalities should be Serbian and Canadian. Probably Canadian first and Serbian second, as his family moved to Canada when he was very young.
Fixed! His nationalities were Yugoslavia/Canada (because back then Serbia didn't exist, and Yugoslavia still did).....I added his Birth City (Zrenjanin's in the db) and his nationalities are now Canada/Serbia


XenHL wrote:Am now going to go play my test game with the Totems for a few hours!
Enjoy!

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:09 am
by nino33
XenHL wrote:Didn't Plante have one of the best GAA in the league when he was with the Oilers?
1974-75 was Plante's last year in the nets (his first NHL games were played during the 1952-53 season!)....in 74-75 Plante was 15-14-1 with a 3.32 GAA for the WHA's Edmonton Oilers - I'm not sure where the 45 year old was ranked that last year, but he may have been one of the beast in the League as the WHA wasn't known for the goaltending!


XenHL wrote:I found: 2 copies of Bob Fitchner
Fixed!


XenHL wrote:I'm just watching game 7 of the 1977 Avco Cup final...
I've got that game too! See what I mean about the goaltending! HaHa The Jets scored 28 goals in the 7 games, the Nordiques 31


Moses Doughty wrote:Having simmed closer to the trade freeze a bunch of 17 year olds have been getting signed by the CPU(Id say around 15)
This is what I've been working on/fixing this week (it's fixable).....

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:49 am
by XenHL
nino33 wrote:
XenHL wrote:Didn't Plante have one of the best GAA in the league when he was with the Oilers?
1974-75 was Plante's last year in the nets (his first NHL games were played during the 1952-53 season!)....in 74-75 Plante was 15-14-1 with a 3.32 GAA for the WHA's Edmonton Oilers - I'm not sure where the 45 year old was ranked that last year, but he may have been one of the beast in the League as the WHA wasn't known for the goaltending!
I've been reading "The Rebel League" by Ed Willes (recommend it to anyone who hasn't read it - it's interesting AND hilarious!), after coaching in IIRC Quebec, Plante decided to go play for the Oilers, saying "I'll catch them with my bare hands"...

Some updates from me, just paused to order some pizza...

The AI started offering contracts to underagers in November.

Capitals went 0-12-0 before getting their first win.

First trade of the game was Phoenix trading John Garrett to Toronto for Ron Ellis.

First "whyyyyyyyy?" trade was Montreal trading Cournoyer to Hartford for Jim Dorey, Brad Selwood, Brett Callighen and their 3rd round pick in 2007. Cournoyer had 32 points in 17 games with the Habs at the time of the trade.

The following players have Ranea, Sweden as their birthplace: Gene Peacosh, Russ Gillows, Rosaire Paiement.

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:04 am
by nino33
XenHL wrote:The following players have Ranea, Sweden as their birthplace: Gene Peacosh, Russ Gillows, Rosaire Paiement.
Fixed!

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:00 am
by Moses Doughty
Just finished the first season. The line of Lemaire, Lafleur, Mahovlich dominated yearlong. Ill post the stats soon.

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:08 am
by MXD
Third season done.

Leading scorer is Guy Lafleur and best goalie is Tony Esposito.

Nomality is back, except for Larry Lund, still 2nd in points and the best player overall.

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:43 am
by XenHL
Couple more things:

Frank St. Marseille's birthplace is Ranea, Sweden.

Glen Sonmor's birthplace is Moscow, nationality is Russian. (From what I know, his teams played a decidedly non-Soviet style...)

Bobby Schmautz' nationality is Canada/Canada.

Another trade that made me go 'What the Dickens?' The Bruins traded Ken Hodge (64 points in 38 games) and Carol Vadnais (48 points in 40 games to lead all defencemen by January 2007) to the Blues for Wayne Merrick (15 pts in 38 gp) and the rights to John Smrke.

Still haven't seen a single offer made to a European apart from the pre-season signing of Petr Augusta by the Blackhawks.

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:20 am
by Moses Doughty
Season 1 done. League leaders
Goals.
Lafleur 85 :help:
Lanny McDonald 65
Anders Hedberg 62

Assists
Lemaire 115
Mahivlich 110
Lafleur 87

Points
Lafleur 172
Lemaire 163
Mahovlich 153
Holy trio of awesome

Best goalies were Parent, Dryden, Cheevers, Tony O, Vachon

Surprise goalie was Russ Gillow (2.37 GAA, 92.3 SV% in 48 GP)

19 guys over 100 points, 6 over 120(Hedberg, Ulf Nilsson, Hodge the other 3)

Ron Schocl had 117 points....

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:46 pm
by CeeBee
I'm about 35 games into season one. Playing Vancouver
Top Scorers:
Bucyk 58
A. Hinse 57
F. Hughes 54
L. McDonald 53
C. Simmer 53

Goals:
Hughes 27
McDonald 27
Simmer 26
Gillies 25
Boudrias 24

Assists:
Hinse 37
Lemaire 37
Bucyk 36
B. Clarke 34
Lund 33

Ave Rating- non goalies
Lund 9.56
Bucyk 9.23
Ketola 9.18
Hodge 9.16
Sittler 8.97

Best Goalies: Cheevers, Vachon, Esposito, Parent, Smith

Biggest name trade: Cournoyer for Peter Driscoll and a Ist
Weirdest waivers: Bucyck in December picked up by Ottawa.(probably due to his age and size/length of contract)
H. Richard in October, picked up by Vancouver(he pretty much sucks but what the heck :) )
Teams over 4 Goals scored per game:
Boston, New England, Vancouver

Teams over 4 goals allowed per game:
Washington, Ottawa, Colorado

The AI made quite a few trades and waiver's but most were reasonable IMO
There are a few Euro's who have one year contracts and have been signed by NHL teams for next year:
Hardy Astrom, Stefan Persson, Jiri Bubla, Kent-Erik Andersson, Goran Hogosta, and Thomas Gradin.

A few more Ranea Sweden birthplace issues:
Gerry Odrowski, Wayne Connelly, Russ Gillow(Don't know if he's a real player?), Gene Peacosh.

Having fun and can't wait for the next update with the 17 year olds fixed :)

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:38 pm
by nino33
XenHL wrote:Frank St. Marseille's birthplace is Ranea, Sweden.
Fixed!

XenHL wrote:Glen Sonmor's birthplace is Moscow, nationality is Russian
Fixed!

XenHL wrote:Bobby Schmautz' nationality is Canada/Canada
Fixed!

CeeBee wrote:A few more Ranea Sweden birthplace issues: Gerry Odrowski, Wayne Connelly, Russ Gillow (Don't know if he's a real player?), Gene Peacosh.
Fixed! Gillow/Peacosh were noticed/fixed earlier ( and yes, Gillow's a historical player)



:-)

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:09 pm
by XenHL
Well, I've finished the first season!

Firstly, some observations/issues...

Ranea, Sweden, must have something in the water AND the air to produce so many NHLers! :-p

I went through each team's roster (not including players in the minors) and found the following all born in Ranea: J. C. Tremblay, Wayne Connelly, Pit Martin, Ralph Stewart, Derek Sanderson, Bob Kelly, Lowell McDonald, Gerry Odrowski, Ted Taylor.

John McKenzie has his nationality as Canada/Canada.

Pete McNamee has Jamaican nationality. Only. Is this accurate?

Tiger Williams has his birthplace set as Rakovnik, Czech Rep.

Mike Marson's birthplace is Ust-Kamenogorsk, Kazakhstan.

Greg Fox has his birthplace as Vancouver, but only USA nationality. Is this accurate?

Vaclav Nedomansky has Czech/Slovak nationalities; shouldn't that be Czech/Canada?

Jan Popiel has only Danish nationality; should this not be Denmark/Canada, like Poul Popiel?

Andre Hinse has the league record for oldest player: 1809 years 170 days.

Alright, now for the season stuff:

Montreal won the President's Trophy.

Reg. season standings:

WEST
1. Los Angeles 123 pts, 2. Chicago 113, 3 Calgary 98, 4. St. Louis 112, 5. Phoenix 96, 6. California 94, 7. Seattle 93, 8. San Diego 86, 9. Vancouver 76, 10. Winnipeg 74, 11. Detroit 72, 12. Cleveland 63, 13. Colorado 61, 14. Edmonton 55, 15. Minnesota 54.

EAST
1. Montreal 124, 2. NY Rangers 115, 3. Houston 105, 4. NY Islanders 113, 5. Boston 110, 6. Philadelphia 102, 7. Buffalo 101, 8. Toronto 93, 9. Pittsburgh 90, 10. Birmingham 86, 11. Quebec 84, 12. Atlanta 69, 13. New England 60, 14. Washington 59, 15. Ottawa 41.

Player stats, reg. Season.

Points
Guy Lafleur (MTL) 129
Frank Hughes (HOU) 127
Jacques Lemaire (MTL) 127
Gary MacGregor (SEA) 125
Ken Hodge (BOS/STL) 115
Pete Mahovlich (MTL) 114
Bob Bourne (NYI) 113
Phil Esposito (BOS) 112
Larry Lund (HOU) 109
Gary Unger (STL) 108

Goals
Guy Lafleur (MTL) 63
Jim Pappin (CHI) 55
Andre Hinse (HOU) 53
Frank Hughes (HOU) 52
Clark Gillies (NYI) 52
Phil Esposito (BOS) 49
Yvan Cournoyer (MTL/HFD) 48
Rick Kehoe (PIT) 48
Marcel Dionne (DET) 48
Joey Johnston (CAL) 48

Assists
Gary MacGregor (SEA) 88
Jacques Lemaire (MTL) 83
Pete Mahovlich (MTL) 76
Frank Hughes (HOU) 75
Ken Hodge (BOS/STL) 75
Bob Bourne (NYI) 74
Ivan Boldirev (CHI) 74
Gary Unger (STL) 68
Real Cloutier (QUE) 67
Guy Lafleur (MTL) 66

*note: I had MacGregor centring Marc Tardif and Jamie Hislop most of the season, with the three of them getting also most of the PP and 4v4 time, too... regardless I was very surprised at how well Gary did!

+/-
Denis Potvin (NYI) 48
Gary MacGregor (SEA) 44
Jim Boyd (CGY) 43
Guy Lafleur (MTL) 42
Bryan Trottier (NYI) 40
Jacques Lemaire (MTL) 40
Bill White (CHI) 39
Bob Bourne (NYI) 39
Ed Westfall (NYI) 37
Bob Berry (LA) 36

PIM
Frank Beaton (SEA) 522
Paul Holmgren (PHX) 482
Tiger Williams 463
Willi Plett (ATL) 368
Cam Connor (PHX) 358
Terry Ruskowski (HOU) 342 (along with 75 points in 76 games!)
Brian Ogilvie (STL) 336
Dave Schultz (PHI) 333
Dennis Polonich (DET) 330
Paul Stewart (EDM) 325

* note: I had Beaton set to fighting: allowed, NOT to 'encouraged'!

Defencemen points
Carol Vadnais (STL) 80
Pat Stapleton (SEA) 73
Bob Hess (STL) 72
Larry Robinson (MTL) 67
Guy Lapointe (MTL) 66
Bobby Orr (BOS) 65
Mike Ford (WPG) 59
Mike Pelyk (CGY) 59
Brad Park (NYR) 55
Dick Redmond (CHI) 54

GAA - best (min. 30 GP)
Billy Smith (NYI) 1.92 (74 GP)
Rogie Vachon (LA) 2.09 (58)
Tony Esposito (CHI) 2.25 (74)
Roger Crozier (BUF) 2.38 (62)
John Davidson (STL) 2.46 (70)
Bernie Parent (CHI) 2.51 (72)
Gilles Gilbert (BOS) 2.51 (72)
Ed Giacomin (NYR) 2.54 (69)
Ken Dryden (MTL) 2.55 (69)
Wayne Rutledge (HOU) 2.68 (63)

GAA - worst (min. 30 GP)
Ken Lockett (VAN) 4.05 (31)
Peter McDuffe (COL) 3.98 (70)
Ron Grahame (HOU) 3.78 (36)
Phil Myre (OTT) 3.75 (36)
Cesare Maniago (MIN) 3.71 (68)
Gerry Desjardins (OTT) 3.71 (61)
Jim Rutherford (DET) 3.64 (71)
Gary Smith (VAN) 3.59 (63)
Gary Kurt (SD) 3.50 (39)
Al Smith (NE) 3.46 (70)

Sv% - best (min 30 GP)
Billy Smith (NYI) .925 (74)
Bernie Parent (PHI) .919 (72)
Rogie Vachon (LA) .919 (58)
Tony Esposito (CHI) .918 (74)
Gerry Cheevers (CLE) .916 (62)
Russ Gillow (SD) .916 (47)
Ken Dryden (MTL) .914 (69)
Roger Crozier (BUF) .914 (62)
Ed Giacomin (NYR) .910 (69)
Don McLeod (CGY) .910 (66)

Sv% - worst (min 30 GP)
Ron Grahame (HOU) .832 (36)
Ken Lockett (VAN) .851 (31)
Jim Rutherford (DET) .879 (71)
John Garrett (TOR) .879 (30)
Gary Smith (VAN) .884 (63)
Denis Herron (PIT) .887 (68)
Wayne Rutledge (HOU) .887 (63)
Peter McDuffe (COL) .888 (70)
Dave Dryden (SEA) .889 (61)
Doug Favell (TOR) .891 (71)

Shutouts
12 - Billy Smith (NYI)
9 - Gilles Gilbert (BOS)
8 - Tony Esposito (CHI)
7 - Bernie Parent (PHI)
6 - Don McLeod (CGY), Gilles Meloche (CAL)
5 - Gary Smith (VAN), Wayne Rutledge (HOU), Dave Dryden (SEA), Ken Dryden (MTL), Ed Giacomin (NYR), Rogie Vachon (LA)

And then the playoffs:

Conference QFs:
* Philadelphia 4, Houston 3
* Montreal 4, Toronto 0
* NY Islanders 4, Boston 1
* NY Rangers 4, Buffalo 0
* Chicago 4, Seattle 0
* Phoenix 4, St Louis 3
* California 4, Calgary 1
* Los Angeles 4, San Diego 1

Conference Semis:
* Montreal 4, Philadelphia 0
* NY Islanders 4, NY Rangers 1
* Los Angeles 4, California 0
* Phoenix 4, Chicago 0

Conference Finals:
* Montreal 4, NY Islanders 1
* Phoenix 4, Los Angeles 2

Final:
* Montreal 4, Phoenix 0

Worlds: Gold - Canada, Silver - Russia, Bronze - Sweden.

Awards:
Art Ross - Lafleur; Richard - Lafleur; Conn Smythe - Lafleur
Calder - Gary MacGregor (2nd place - Lafleur !, 3rd place - Gillies)
Selke - Gillies
Norris - Vadnais (2nd - Pat Stapleton (SEA) !, 3rd Bob Hess)
Hart - Vadnais (2nd MacGregor, 3rd Lafleur)
Vezina - Smith (Ken Dryden, Vachon)

Apart from a few minor oddities of players performing unexpectedly well, the occasional puzzling trade, and how well California did, I thought it all seemed pretty reasonable.

Though I had a thought about half an hour ago that still has me trembling in fear. The Phoenix Roadrunners are the Minnesota Fighting Saints in reality, right? Well... Saints vs Flyers in 74/75 ??? :-o :help:

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:03 pm
by nino33
XenHL wrote:
I went through each team's roster (not including players in the minors) and found the following all born in Ranea: J. C. Tremblay, Wayne Connelly, Pit Martin, Ralph Stewart, Derek Sanderson, Bob Kelly, Lowell McDonald, Gerry Odrowski, Ted Taylor.
John McKenzie has his nationality as Canada/Canada.
Tiger Williams has his birthplace set as Rakovnik, Czech Rep.
Mike Marson's birthplace is Ust-Kamenogorsk, Kazakhstan.
Greg Fox has his birthplace as Vancouver, but only USA nationality. Is this accurate?
Jan Popiel has only Danish nationality; should this not be Denmark/Canada, like Poul Popiel?
Andre Hinse has the league record for oldest player: 1809 years 170 days.
Fixed!
XenHL wrote: Pete McNamee has Jamaican nationality. Only. Is this accurate?
Yes (while I totally recognize he didn't grow up in Jamaica playing hockey, I'd rather not make many nationality edits at this time.....I'm OK if for now Pete McNamee won't get to play internationally in-game)


XenHL wrote: Vaclav Nedomansky has Czech/Slovak nationalities; shouldn't that be Czech/Canada?
I gave Nedomansky Czech Republic for nationality, but not Canada as a 2nd nationality as in 1974 Nedomansky had just arrived (defected)……I’m not sure about what nationality affects, and I know the game is NOT going to take into account communism/defections/etc.......I want to ensure that Nedomansky plays for the Czech Republic in international play

While of course I have some understanding of “why” these things occurred, things like Tony Esposito playing for Canada in 1972 and then the US in the 1981 Canada Cup, and Peter Stastny playing for Czechoslovakia throughout the late 1970s and then playing for Canada in the 1984 Canada Cup…..these things bugged me



:-)

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:07 pm
by nino33
I've noticed the Islanders Billy Smith doing well for a couple/few testers....Smith became a GREAT playoff goalie, and led the Islanders to 4 Cups...in the 1980s! In 1974 he was most definitely still "developing" - so I took a look at his numbers in the Editor

His CA/PA was 167/177....most definitely unchanged from the 1979-80 database! It's now 147/177

His Natural Fitness was 18 and his Stamina 19! It's now 14 and 15.....
While IRL Smith did play 58 games in 1974-75, his next highest total over his 17 year career was 46 (twice) and then 42.......he was NOT a workhorse like Parent and Esposito (or even Dryden)



While I'd rather edit all the players together, to me this was really noticeable (like Orr's skating)....of course I was a goalie growing up! [and actually I have to admit I would REALLY like to edit players Attributes ASAP.....I consider it so much fun! I will likely spend at least a few days looking at Attributes later this month, before a second test release; I'm not exactly sure how long the "recreations" are going to take...at least another week I suspect, but it's hard to tell )


Regards

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:38 pm
by XenHL
nino33 wrote:
XenHL wrote: Vaclav Nedomansky has Czech/Slovak nationalities; shouldn't that be Czech/Canada?
I gave Nedomansky Czech Republic for nationality, but not Canada as a 2nd nationality as in 1974 Nedomansky had just arrived (defected)……I’m not sure about what nationality affects, and I know the game is NOT going to take into account communism/defections/etc.......I want to ensure that Nedomansky plays for the Czech Republic in international play

While of course I have some understanding of “why” these things occurred, things like Tony Esposito playing for Canada in 1972 and then the US in the 1981 Canada Cup, and Peter Stastny playing for Czechoslovakia throughout the late 1970s and then playing for Canada in the 1984 Canada Cup…..these things bugged me

:-)
Nationality affects languages spoken and national team eligibility (and is also relevant if a given league has any import rules). If a player has two nationalities, and neither of them has the "declared" box checked (when looking in the pregame editor), that means he can play for either of those two national teams. If one of the two IS checked, however, that means he is eligible in the game to play only for that team.

I've seen a few instances where a player picks up a new nationality during the game, but I haven't seen it happen often enough to be able to determine how exactly it happens, beyond that the guy plays x years in the league of the new country.

Esposito's situation is easy: the 1972 series has nothing to do with the IIHF, while the Canada Cup was a joint IIHF/NHL thing. I don't know the details, but I would assume that IIHF's national-team eligibility rules applied. So in Esposito's case, as far as the IIHF was concerned, he'd never played a game with a national team. Since he held both Canadian and American citizenship, he was free to choose either team to play for in the Canada Cup.

In Stastny's case, having competed for Czechoslovakia in IIHF tournaments, he was eligible to play for only Czechoslovakia. However, there is a rule that allows a player, one time in his career, to change his eligibility: receiving a new citizenship, then playing four seasons in a national competition of the new country. After defecting, Stastny received Canadian citizenship, and by 1984 Stastny had played four years in Quebec. Because of this, he met the criteria for changing his national team eligibility, and he switched to Canada. (Allowing him afterwards to play for the Slovak national team was purely an exception to the rules).

I don't believe Nedomansky took part in any international competition following his defection, but it's quite certain he picked up Canadian (or American - depends where he went first) citizenship after defecting. Having played for the Czechoslovak NT, the IIHF eligibility rules I described for Stastny apply here, too.

I guess it comes down to what you want to do. If realism in this situation isn't important to you, then everything's set up fine - Nedomansky is in-game eligible only to play for Czech Republic (just remove the "Slovak" second nationality).

But if you want to make it realistic, true to the real world, then as soon as Nedomansky tried to go back to Czechoslovakia to play for the NT, he would've been arrested and thrown in jail and not likely ever to play hockey again; at the same time, he'd have received his new citizenship after defecting. So, two possibilities: if you're fine with him playing for his second/("new") nationality, then just mark that as "declared". If you'd rather not have him play for any NT, then there is an attribute somewhere that's "retired from national team duties", you'd have to find that and set it. This'd be problematic, though, in that you'd have to do this for /every/ such player... and it wouldn't affect regens, or players who pick up a new nationality in the progress of the game.

Since the NHL doesn't have import restrictions, the simplest solution is to either give him both nationalities, and have the second one declared (to reflect his having defected and therefore being persona non grata in his birth country), or have only the Czech one, and decide that in this EHM world the world is a little different and the commies don't hold the defections against the player and allow them to keep playing for the NT. I'd probably go for this latter solution myself (or giving both nationalities and keeping both undeclared), since as you progress in the game there /will/ be eastern European players ending up in the NHL, and this /will/ eventually end up with their national teams, so...

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:06 pm
by nino33
First let me say once a lot of other, more important tasks are done I‘ll look at this closer

And then I’ll say “reality” is in the eye of the beholder I guess………I want the uniqueness of international competition that I remember from childhood (I’m sorry to be a grumpy old man but I’ve little interest in modern hockey, it all seems the same to me now and I’m not emotionally involved/invested at all anymore…..I’m a Flyer/Canucks fan from way back but in recent years I’ve barely followed their playoff runs…and I could care less that they lost! Back in 1987 (when I was just 20) the Flyers lost game 7 to the Oilers I was crushed) - So all I really care about at this point is that Europeans/Russians play for their national teams

And regarding realisim….Overtime and especially the Shoot-Out are such mammoth diversions from realsim that I can’t take seriously the idea of “as realistic as possible” HaHa - When I started this project back in the summer of 2010 I was just trying to improve on the 1979-80 database, and play EHM with players from my childhood…..all I wanted from International play was News Reports with the famous names from my childhood (Dzurilla, Novy, Tretiak, etc)



:-)

P.S. I remember as a kid seeing Dzurilla play so well for the Czechs in the '76 Canada Cup, and buying a Titan goal stick at Jardines in Kamloops because of him...and how the paddle size was totally wrong for me and I couldn't use it in ice hockey! But it was THE BEST street hockey goal stick (all Titan's were because of the strip of plastic at the bottom of the blade)

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:23 pm
by Moses Doughty
Playoffs ended. Montreal beat Chicago in the finals, losing 4 total games in the playoffs. I was LA, lost to Chicago in WCF. No big UFA changes as Pappin went to UFA but resigned in Chicago.

For the draft, Bob Suter fell to 5th while Murray Bannerman went first in a surprise

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:42 am
by MXD
6th season underway.

Oddity of season 5

Vezina won by ... Joe Daley.

Re: 1974dbV0.1 Testing Results/Feedback

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:53 am
by nino33
I've corrected the Birth Year of Len Dawes (playing for the team "PeeWee Three")...he is no longer 102 years old at start-up!


EDITS
Corrected the DOB of Shawn Babcock (playing for the team "PeeWee Four")...age was incorrect at 17, now correct (12)
Corrected the DOB of Steve Kasper (playing for the team "PeeWee Five")...age was incorrect at 17, now correct (12)
Corrected the DOB of Kevin Krook (playing for the team "PreJunior Ones")...age was incorrect at 21, now correct (16)
Corrected the DOB of Rick Vasko (playing for the team "PreJunior Ones")...age was incorrect at 22, now correct (17)
Corrected the DOB of Shane Pearsall (playing for the team "PreJunior Twos")...age was incorrect at 21, now correct (16)
Corrected the DOB of Earl Ingarfield (playing for the team "PreJunior Threes")...age was incorrect at 20, now correct (15)
Corrected the DOB of Jim Lawson (playing for the team "PreJunior Threes")...age was incorrect at 21, now correct (16)
Corrected the DOB of Pat Riggin (playing for the team "PreJunior Threes")...age was incorrect at 20, now correct (15)
Corrected the DOB of Lowell Loveday (playing for the team "PreJunior Fours")...age was incorrect at 20, now correct (15)
Corrected the DOB of Larry Lozinski (playing for the team "PreJunior Fours")...age was incorrect at 20, now correct (15)
Corrected the DOB of Dave Watson (playing for the team "PreJunior Fours")...age was incorrect at 21, now correct (16)
Corrected the DOB of Brian Young (playing for the team "PreJunior Fours")...age was incorrect at 20, now correct (15)