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				Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:46 pm
				by batdad
				Orpik is overrated in the game, so I would not be surprised if the Pens refused to add any more than Orpy.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:04 am
				by matt44
				You are right, they wouldn't give up anything else so I sent them packing.
Have got my Checking Line sorted now. Hagman - Marchant - Laperierre.  They are doing a great job and no top line has scored past them in 5 games.  

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:10 am
				by Franck
				What I should do to get the most out of my attacking defenders like Rafalski and Bouwmeester, what settings should I use, apart from that face off option?
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:27 am
				by batdad
				You have to be careful here or they get busted .... alot. I use normal on the power play for example and defensive at even strength,.
I am toying with making Barker and Seabrook go for it all the time, but in the past when I have done this they end up with 1 pt every 2 games, and with 3 or 4 goals agianst every two games. So not a good ratio.
At best I would have one dman on the team GO FOR IT, and make sure he is paired with a real homebody..say Jason Smith type. Join rush and carry puck help too if they are capable of deking/stickhandling.
(See I can answer now...cool)
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:37 am
				by Joe
				batdad wrote:Orpik is overrated in the game, so I would not be surprised if the Pens refused to add any more than Orpy.
I don't usually pay attention to Orpik, but here are his stats in 2011-2012.  Does he usually get this good 4-5 years into the game?  I was pretty surprised.  The last few seasons he was averaging about 7.5, and now 8.3 this year!
http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=orpikmy6.jpg 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:43 am
				by russman
				Joe wrote:batdad wrote:Orpik is overrated in the game, so I would not be surprised if the Pens refused to add any more than Orpy.
I don't usually pay attention to Orpik, but here are his stats in 2011-2012.  Does he usually get this good 4-5 years into the game?  I was pretty surprised.  The last few seasons he was averaging about 7.5, and now 8.3 this year!
http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=orpikmy6.jpg 
Well i'd say thats how i would expect him to turn out, connsidering his attributes at the beginning of the game.
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:26 am
				by batdad
				Yeah he does. Like I said...over...rated. 

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:29 pm
				by matt44
				Avr rating question - one of my dmen, murray, has an avr rating of 6.72 after 63 games. Michalek, my back up, has played 14 games and has an avr of 7.35.     Bearing in mind murrays ratings are alot better, would u play him or would u give michalek a proper run as a starter?
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:14 pm
				by Shadd666
				@ matt44: If your backup is doing a better job and works harder, then he deserves the spot, no matter what his attributes are.
Well, first, be sure that Murray's instructions fit well to the kind of player he is... It would be the issue. But if it fits well, then it's just that he's not making the job, and therefore deserved to be pulled off the lineup IMO.
At least it works like that with my teams, and even guys like Malkin or Scott Niedermayer spend time on the bench if they don't do their job. In general, they understand the message pretty fast 

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:44 pm
				by batdad
				Michalek is better than Murray. period.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:53 pm
				by matt44
				batdad wrote:Michalek is better than Murray. period.
 murrays' attributes are currently better, but its  only year 1 and michalek is only 22/23 yrs old.
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:01 pm
				by batdad
				Attributes are not the be all and end all. Michalek is better than Murray. Trust me. And your avg ratings show that. For me Murray would ride the pine.
I have Kendall McArdle on my Blackhawks team..his attributes show he should play 2nd line and pp. But the dude is horrible. 70 games...5 goals. He played 30 of those games on the 2nd line and pp before I got tired of trying to help him get going. Now...5 minutes a game or so. He sucks. Horrible. 
But the attributes are all high 15-19 in all the important offensive areas. He sucks though.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:35 pm
				by matt44
				Cool, thanks for your help
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:48 pm
				by gibson41
				I agree, attributes are not all, they don't deflect real players ability...i mean, i had this def that i thought is great...18 checking, 20 positioning, high pokechking, nice huh? with his 5-6 av.rating and -7 +/- he didn't live up to his expectations. guy with checking 12 and positioning 15 has fit his spot well.
EDIT: Also, in my Wild game, Harding put up much better performance than Backstrom who was waay back down to 0.850 save percentage. :-/...
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:44 pm
				by matt44
				OK, I have a new query for y'all:
My 2nd line consists of Grabovsky - Leino - Weinhandl
After 35 games each has between 15-20 points and an avr rating of 6.70
Is there a particular way any of you experts would play these guys tactically??
My first line is: Chistov - Handzus - Doan. All of which are doing very well.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:48 am
				by batdad
				Actually...I hate Grabovsky. I hate Leino, and Weinhandl although he has excellent ratings...only can play on the third line.
So for me...Dump them all. 

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:13 am
				by vilifyingforce
				Never actually used any of these guys before, but, what is there +/- like? I'd say from their point production they're not doing anything defensively at all. IF they're on attacking I'd consider rolling it back to normal,BUT, if they're doing alright defensively, I'd let them stay the course, their avr wil probably raise as the season goes on. In my first year I once had Dan Carcillo Rane Carnegie and some other bum prospect. 

 and they all had 7.2-7.5 avr's, wish that hdd didnt die...
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:10 pm
				by Joe
				I have a question about goalies in general.  How come if a goalie gets a shutout, he doesn't always get a 10 rating?  This just doesn't make sense to me.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:51 pm
				by batdad
				Low # of shots against, low chances against. Never had to work hard?
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:08 am
				by Shadd666
				Yeah, a 13 saves shutout with only weak shots from sharp angles clearly doesn't deserve a 10...
A 35 saves shutout with 4-5 breakaways and 4-5 deflected shots in front of the crease is a whole different story! 

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:24 am
				by matt44
				Hi gentlemen. In a new save with the yotes, i am in year 2 and due to salary cap issues had problems getting a 1st line centre, so i decided to throw MEULLER  in at the deep end and have him centering Kotalik and Doan.   After 9 games he has 12 pts and a good AVR, but after a year in the juniors do you think it may be too much too soon for him?
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:31 pm
				by vilifyingforce
				If he can handle it, he can handle. If he was struggling I'd say your gonna drown him, but, if the kid can swim, let him go. 
