EHM The Blue Line

Had a quick look in the db. Found some minor errors. For Erie Otters Nick Baptiste should be signed with Sabres and on loan to Erie. He signed in may last year. Same goes for Remi Elie who signed with Dallas Stars last august.

Also Mason Marchment and Kieffer Bellows has the wrong birthdates.
Kieffer Bellows should have June 10th, 1998 & Mason Marchment Mars 6th, 1995

This was just after a quick look. I'll be back with more later IF I find something.

Keep up the good work!

Pena_FIN wrote:

Peter_Doherty wrote:Think overall the picks situation is pretty bad, probably needs a big look. Don't know if there is a good way to find the picks all the teams have though.

This website is probably very accurate. Select a team from the dropdown menu, and it'll show pick ownership for each round until 2018 draft.
http://www.prosportstransactions.com/ho ... /index.htm

Conditional picks are a problem though. One would have to get creative and assume if the conditions are met, or take a firm line of giving away the highest or lowest possible pick. For examples look at the Petry and Timonen trades.

I personally wouldn't blame the roster makers for ignoring these until the 2015 draft is done. It's a bit dumb to play a full season with post trade deadline rosters anyway.

Yes, that is the best site for traded draft picks
I will go over them before next release. I usually go with the lower condition.
A start-of-season roster update is in the works

M Ace wrote:Had a quick look in the db. Found some minor errors. For Erie Otters Nick Baptiste should be signed with Sabres and on loan to Erie. He signed in may last year. Same goes for Remi Elie who signed with Dallas Stars last august.

Also Mason Marchment and Kieffer Bellows has the wrong birthdates.
Kieffer Bellows should have June 10th, 1998 & Mason Marchment Mars 6th, 1995

This was just after a quick look. I'll be back with more later IF I find something.

Keep up the good work!

With EHM:07, sliding ELCs did not exist, so I left signed '95s in junior so they wouldn't burn a year on their contract.
I just found out today that sliders now work, but I won't go chasing the signed '95s as it makes no difference, really
The DOB's has now been edited, thanks!

Manimal wrote: A start-of-season roster update is in the works

I wish we had an option to start a new game in june, after cup finals and before the draft. Or the option to sim the season without trades and injuries up until that point (or up to any given date we wish, like the start of the playoffs).

Manimal wrote: With EHM:07, sliding ELCs did not exist ...
I just found out today that sliders now work

ELC slide works ?!?!? If this is true, I'm so happy right now.

Pena_FIN wrote:ELC slide works ?!?!? If this is true, I'm so happy right now.

They might. I've seen reports on errors with it

Manimal wrote:

Pena_FIN wrote:ELC slide works ?!?!? If this is true, I'm so happy right now.

They might. I've seen reports on errors with it

So what you are saying is that they will work once you take a look at it

Peter_Doherty wrote:

Manimal wrote:

Pena_FIN wrote:ELC slide works ?!?!? If this is true, I'm so happy right now.

They might. I've seen reports on errors with it

So what you are saying is that they will work once you take a look at it

Once the developer look at it. I'm just editing the db

I'm making Liiga facepack and noticed TPS backup goalie Alexandar Georgiyev seems to be missing from the database.

SharksAttack wrote:I'm making Liiga facepack and noticed TPS backup goalie Alexandar Georgiyev seems to be missing from the database.

Thanks! I'm sure my new Finnish researchers will add him

Manimal wrote:

SharksAttack wrote:I'm making Liiga facepack and noticed TPS backup goalie Alexandar Georgiyev seems to be missing from the database.

Thanks! I'm sure my new Finnish researchers will add him

Already done

SharksAttack wrote:I'm making Liiga facepack and noticed TPS backup goalie Alexandar Georgiyev seems to be missing from the database.

I never added him (into v7.0-7.2 rosters) because he never got a Liiga contract this season, he was playing with just a junior contract. Same thing with players like William Mäkinen and several other junior players the teams down the pack used in the end of the season: I resolved not to add them in the db because I had limited time editing and creating so many players who would only play a minor amount of games this season didn't seem worth it. Thus, there's only a few juniors in Finnish leagues atm but the situation is still reasonable at the far least. I believe that the current researchers will add up to the Finnish leagues much more, so ultimately there's nothing to worry about.

ForNever wrote: I never added him (into v7.0-7.2 rosters) because he never got a Liiga contract this season, he was playing with just a junior contract. Same thing with players like William Mäkinen and several other junior players the teams down the pack used in the end of the season: I resolved not to add them in the db because I had limited time editing and creating so many players who would only play a minor amount of games this season didn't seem worth it. Thus, there's only a few juniors in Finnish leagues atm but the situation is still reasonable at the far least. I believe that the current researchers will add up to the Finnish leagues much more, so ultimately there's nothing to worry about.

Ok. Thanks for answer. I will still add him to my facepack. Should I name picture alexandar_georgiyev or aleksandar_georgijev?

It's a tiny thing, but Brian Gionta and Stephen Gionta incorrectly set as being from Rochester, Michigan instead of Rochester, NY.

Transfer error: Maxim Letunov is declared for BU, not BC.

Willie Mitchell, captain of the Florida Panthers contract is wrong. In game, it's 4.5M/1y, when it's supposed to be 8.5/2y. Noticed it on the roster version for EHM Early Access.

Franck wrote:It's a tiny thing, but Brian Gionta and Stephen Gionta incorrectly set as being from Rochester, Michigan instead of Rochester, NY.

Xvash2 wrote:Transfer error: Maxim Letunov is declared for BU, not BC.

kakashinomi wrote:Willie Mitchell, captain of the Florida Panthers contract is wrong. In game, it's 4.5M/1y, when it's supposed to be 8.5/2y. Noticed it on the roster version for EHM Early Access.

All fixed.
Thanks, guys

Pena_FIN wrote:

Manimal wrote: A start-of-season roster update is in the works

I wish we had an option to start a new game in june, after cup finals and before the draft. Or the option to sim the season without trades and injuries up until that point (or up to any given date we wish, like the start of the playoffs).

Manimal wrote: With EHM:07, sliding ELCs did not exist ...
I just found out today that sliders now work

ELC slide works ?!?!? If this is true, I'm so happy right now.

They do

Ive had Noah Haflin in Junior for 2 years and he still has 3 years on his contract

Jeff Blashill is the current Coach of the Grand Rapids Griffins and is considered top end at developing talent by the Red Wings. There was even talk that he would succeed Babcock and is ready for the next step to a NHL Coach.

Now that you mention it in my save he got promoted to GM of the Griffins and he hired another horrible head coach to work for him.

Nope sorry, started new game and he is GM/Head Coach.

Played EHM 2005 and EHM 2007 for like a million hours back in the day, and took some notes from my first few hours of EHM:EA gameplay. Here are my takeaways from the database itself. Not necessarily the game engine, just the database. (from the perspective of a Buffalo Sabres fan)-

-First, the bios of the Sabres' staff include a lot of inaccuracies. For example, their owner Terry Pegula is not 31 years old, etc etc. A lot of that back office stuff needs to be researched and cleaned up. I'm sure there are more teams out there with inaccurate data that needs a refresh. The added bio information is pretty cool, and I'm curious to see what kind of outcomes they can produce, but a lot of it needs updating.
-Second, since the Buffalo fanbase is currently hard at work embracing our tank, I went to check out McDavid and Eichel. Immediately I noticed that these guys' current levels when you boot up the game are DRASTICALLY lower than what they should be. It's not even close. Go in and tinker with the hidden PA to set McDavid to Crosby's PA and Eichel to Stamkos' PA, but as of today their currents need to be wayyy way higher. These guys break the game in real life, don't be afraid to have them break EHM:EA also. Connor's mental attributes are where they belong, but his skating should already be at least 16s and his skills should already be 14s and 15s, not 9s and 10s that's ridiculous. Basically take MacKinnon's current and make McDavid's current even better. irl this season McDavid has 120 points (!!!!!!! 44+76) in 47 games !!! Also, Eichel is the best college hockey freshman in 20 years. Please make their currents higher. In my first EHM:EA sim, McDavid had like 40 points in the first 35 games. His current attributes should make him the best forward, presently, on at least a third of NHL teams.
-Third, these specific examples point out to me that the entire database as a whole needs to be re-calibrated from the ground up, aka from the lowest levels of junior leagues and up. There is no such thing as players who consistently have 3s and 4s. Maybe at one or two attributes but never a whole series of skills. MUST elevate the entire player pool, current and potential.
-Start with goalies. Goalies are WAY better than you think, at every level. I've noticed that relative to EHM07, the NHL goalie pool is calibrated more towards the higher end which is good. However, people don't realize how close it needs to be as you scale downwards. Kids ENTERING junior (15 year olds) should be all 11s and 12s, guys leaving junior are 13s and 14s, guys in AHL and Europe headed towards the NHL as backups are 15s and 16s, guys establishing themselves as starters are the 17s and 18s and your handful of Lundqvists and Rasks and Quicks etc are 19s and 20s. At the elite level, you're bean-counting between stuff like 19 glove and 20 glove or 18 balance and 19 balance, and that accounts for the difference between .925 and .930 kind of stuff. Also, in general there are TONS of replacement level goalies in real NHL (and at every level, really). For every Henrik Lundqvist or Tuukka Rask with .920+ career save % there's 100 Anton Khudobins and Michael Hutchinsons and Niklas Svedbergs and Andrew Hamburglers- random guys who seemingly come out of nowhere, including being undrafted, to put up ~.910 career save percentage. 1% is the margin of error between elite and replacement level, it's an incredibly small target to aim for. But in general, every goalie is good, and imo EHM has always missed the mark on that. Anders Lindback's ratings (even though he sucks) should be much, much closer to Henrik Lundqvist's than the average person might intuitively think they should be. He should have enough 15s and 16s to land between .900 and .915% (As a side note worth mentioning, re-calibrating the goalies at every level will presumably go a long, long way towards lowering the elevated goals-for totals which most users are noticing)
-Re-mentioning a previous point- At the lower levels, re-calibrate forwards and defensemen to eliminate references to players who have 3s and 4s and 5s. Even at the Q/W/O levels all of the players are at least 9s and 10s, that level of hockey is very, very competitive. Even overage players you've never heard of in college hockey are 9s and 10s. Elevate the baselines and bean-count guys who have 11s vs guys who have 10s to make for a more realistic competition where tactics and very small details rule the day. This is the essence of the hockey, so many of the games are contested by 1 goal or fewer, not just in the final scoreline but throughout the entire run of play. If anyone has ever played in one of the lowest levels on FM2013-15, like Blue Square South or whatever, even the very lowest level of play mostly has guys who are 8s and 9s. EHM's database should mimic that framework. And again, as i've said, since goalies always win, have your goalies stay 2-3 points ahead in the ratings than the forwards to maintain realistic save %s. So like NHL starters in the 17-18 range produce .910s against the majority of 14-15 NHL forwards, similarly your 11 and 12 junior goalies produce .910s against your 8s and 9s random junior guys but will still get diced up by your McDavids like they're supposed to.

Anyways, I apologize for the length but I would love to learn more about how the "hidden" attributes function, such as PA and consistency and how those items could be re-calibrated as well. Does anyone have any resources on the hidden attributes?

I do agree with the McDavid and Eichel thing above, they are not even close of becoming superstars. I picked up both guys (yeah, I manipulated this, obviously ), put them in my Pens team and played three seasons. Eichel turned out to be a very mediocre 3rd line guy, averaging 40 points per season. McDavid obviously ended up behind Crosby (and I moved Malkin to RW to create a 2nd line spot), but never fulfilled his promise. 68 points for a top-6 player, including 20 play-off games is not a lot. Even Jayson Megna made 85 points, as a 3rd liner.

But overall I'm really happy with the game

pjfoster13 wrote:Played EHM 2005 and EHM 2007 for like a million hours back in the day, and took some notes from my first few hours of EHM:EA gameplay. Here are my takeaways from the database itself. Not necessarily the game engine, just the database. (from the perspective of a Buffalo Sabres fan)-

-First, the bios of the Sabres' staff include a lot of inaccuracies. For example, their owner Terry Pegula is not 31 years old, etc etc. A lot of that back office stuff needs to be researched and cleaned up. I'm sure there are more teams out there with inaccurate data that needs a refresh. The added bio information is pretty cool, and I'm curious to see what kind of outcomes they can produce, but a lot of it needs updating.
-Second, since the Buffalo fanbase is currently hard at work embracing our tank, I went to check out McDavid and Eichel. Immediately I noticed that these guys' current levels when you boot up the game are DRASTICALLY lower than what they should be. It's not even close. Go in and tinker with the hidden PA to set McDavid to Crosby's PA and Eichel to Stamkos' PA, but as of today their currents need to be wayyy way higher. These guys break the game in real life, don't be afraid to have them break EHM:EA also. Connor's mental attributes are where they belong, but his skating should already be at least 16s and his skills should already be 14s and 15s, not 9s and 10s that's ridiculous. Basically take MacKinnon's current and make McDavid's current even better. irl this season McDavid has 120 points (!!!!!!! 44+76) in 47 games !!! Also, Eichel is the best college hockey freshman in 20 years. Please make their currents higher. In my first EHM:EA sim, McDavid had like 40 points in the first 35 games. His current attributes should make him the best forward, presently, on at least a third of NHL teams.
-Third, these specific examples point out to me that the entire database as a whole needs to be re-calibrated from the ground up, aka from the lowest levels of junior leagues and up. There is no such thing as players who consistently have 3s and 4s. Maybe at one or two attributes but never a whole series of skills. MUST elevate the entire player pool, current and potential.
-Start with goalies. Goalies are WAY better than you think, at every level. I've noticed that relative to EHM07, the NHL goalie pool is calibrated more towards the higher end which is good. However, people don't realize how close it needs to be as you scale downwards. Kids ENTERING junior (15 year olds) should be all 11s and 12s, guys leaving junior are 13s and 14s, guys in AHL and Europe headed towards the NHL as backups are 15s and 16s, guys establishing themselves as starters are the 17s and 18s and your handful of Lundqvists and Rasks and Quicks etc are 19s and 20s. At the elite level, you're bean-counting between stuff like 19 glove and 20 glove or 18 balance and 19 balance, and that accounts for the difference between .925 and .930 kind of stuff. Also, in general there are TONS of replacement level goalies in real NHL (and at every level, really). For every Henrik Lundqvist or Tuukka Rask with .920+ career save % there's 100 Anton Khudobins and Michael Hutchinsons and Niklas Svedbergs and Andrew Hamburglers- random guys who seemingly come out of nowhere, including being undrafted, to put up ~.910 career save percentage. 1% is the margin of error between elite and replacement level, it's an incredibly small target to aim for. But in general, every goalie is good, and imo EHM has always missed the mark on that. Anders Lindback's ratings (even though he sucks) should be much, much closer to Henrik Lundqvist's than the average person might intuitively think they should be. He should have enough 15s and 16s to land between .900 and .915% (As a side note worth mentioning, re-calibrating the goalies at every level will presumably go a long, long way towards lowering the elevated goals-for totals which most users are noticing)
-Re-mentioning a previous point- At the lower levels, re-calibrate forwards and defensemen to eliminate references to players who have 3s and 4s and 5s. Even at the Q/W/O levels all of the players are at least 9s and 10s, that level of hockey is very, very competitive. Even overage players you've never heard of in college hockey are 9s and 10s. Elevate the baselines and bean-count guys who have 11s vs guys who have 10s to make for a more realistic competition where tactics and very small details rule the day. This is the essence of the hockey, so many of the games are contested by 1 goal or fewer, not just in the final scoreline but throughout the entire run of play. If anyone has ever played in one of the lowest levels on FM2013-15, like Blue Square South or whatever, even the very lowest level of play mostly has guys who are 8s and 9s. EHM's database should mimic that framework. And again, as i've said, since goalies always win, have your goalies stay 2-3 points ahead in the ratings than the forwards to maintain realistic save %s. So like NHL starters in the 17-18 range produce .910s against the majority of 14-15 NHL forwards, similarly your 11 and 12 junior goalies produce .910s against your 8s and 9s random junior guys but will still get diced up by your McDavids like they're supposed to.

Anyways, I apologize for the length but I would love to learn more about how the "hidden" attributes function, such as PA and consistency and how those items could be re-calibrated as well. Does anyone have any resources on the hidden attributes?

Hey, long read!
First off, you need to realise we have done this on our spare free time. Before EHM:EA was released we had very few volunteers working on the update. That made us put a lot of the stuff you are talking about at random. By that, it is not us, but the game that sets those low attributes you are referring to(the 3s and 4s and such)
Same thing with Pegula, his DOB is not set at all. Get us the exact date and we'll put it in. If not, then we leave it up to the game to randomize.
McDavid and Eichel were rated for the EHM:07 version which grew player atts more rapidly than what EHM:EA seems to do.Now that we're seeing how the game handles them, they'll be updated of course.
You have a valid point on the goalies. Hopefully, we can improve their rating, but none of us are doing this full time and getting them updated to suit the new game is a big task. We need to evaluate the game some more, too. We can't just jump because you say so.
And lastly, please refrain from using capital letters and excessive use of exclamation marks. It only makes you look obnoxious.

Two other small things I've noticed:

Linus Ullmark is listed as having been drafted by the Sabres in the 61st round instead of the 6th round.

Michael Campoli of the USNTDP should be a dual-national of both Canada and the US, only his Canadian nationality is currently in the DB.

Franck wrote:Two other small things I've noticed:

Linus Ullmark is listed as having been drafted by the Sabres in the 61st round instead of the 6th round.

Michael Campoli of the USNTDP should be a dual-national of both Canada and the US, only his Canadian nationality is currently in the DB.

The Ullmark thing im sure has to do with keeping the rights in EHM07, there are several examples...

Will the players' Aggression attribute be adjusted back to normal? IIRC, they were all lowered to keep the PIM down on EHM 2007.