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Thanks, though I am still on the fence that calling him up could be worse than leaving him in juniors. Every coach on the team is horrible with youngsters and forwards.

Im playing Ducks - Lidas 3.0 roster, i just wanna say that Cam Fowler is developing as hell !

When he was 18-19 I sent him to play for his junior team in OHL i think, and next year i picked him up, so that would be 19 turning 20.. He got great physical attributs, good psychic attributs and very decent technical skills (working on them) - want them to be atleast 15, right now they are between 13 to 14.

If you get the chance, and you'r in need of a d-men.. draft Fowler, i tell you!

danzoeee wrote:Im playing Ducks - Lidas 3.0 roster, i just wanna say that Cam Fowler is developing as hell !

When he was 18-19 I sent him to play for his junior team in OHL i think, and next year i picked him up, so that would be 19 turning 20.. He got great physical attributs, good psychic attributs and very decent technical skills (working on them) - want them to be atleast 15, right now they are between 13 to 14.

If you get the chance, and you'r in need of a d-men.. draft Fowler, i tell you!

I have Cam Fowler in my game as Caps, 2018-19 season. He's my no 1. defenceman, with a $5.6 million per year contract.

He's gotta be a great d-men if you're paying him 5.6$ million a year haha, looking forward to see him develope during the years, I hope I dont mess him up : [

He is a great d-man. I think all he's attribs are atleast 15, many are even better, except for physicals, where some have a 12 value.

What is everyones take on Adam Larsson? I took him in the first round and ended up losing his rights because he didn't want to come over to the NHL. I practically begged the guy and he kept turning me down. I finally got him to sign an ELC but have to wait for the next transfer period which isn't until next season. Right now he is with my team in preseason, totally tearing it up.

my ECHL coaches suck at "working with youngsters", I have one assistant who is really good at it in the AHL, should I put most of my prospects there?

A question about young players and waivers/sending back and fourth between NHL and AHL/send back to juniors.

How are the rules here? Some guys can just be sent back to juniors. Is it because the amount of years of their junior eligibility?

Hi.

I have a question about my prospect Nino Niederreiter. Scouts scouting him used to say he was "like Dany Heatley" and first line potential. His report card left column is A-/A+/C+/A-, right is A-/A+/B+/B+. His wristshot, deking, stickhandling and strength are high, not so much his other stats but he is still 19, just a kid.

Now scouts say he is second line potential and "A more talented version of Ken Magowan". What happened? Did his development stall? Should I trade him before other teams find out he isn't a future Dany Heatley? Or will he be?

Thanks.

Dev may have stalled, or your scouts are just getting more accurate, or maybe as Nino ages, they are able to see more. Hard to say what it is really. Ask coaches what they think as well. See how he plays. How old is he? Maybe if young needs more time in Jr or needs time in AHL. I won't bring a guy to main team unless he is averaging over 8 in the AHL (unless I absolutely have to) or 8.5 in Junior. He must stay at a 7.5 or better if under age 21 to stay on the main team. And 7.0 or better if over age 21. Just my way of dealing with it.

chessarmy wrote:my ECHL coaches suck at "working with youngsters", I have one assistant who is really good at it in the AHL, should I put most of my prospects there?

I always favor putting all of my "legitimate" prospects in the AHL. The ECHL is usually where I stuff all of my "not going to qualify you" prospects. AHL is far higher quality than the ECHL, in real life...not sure about the game, but I have to imagine the reputations are quite a distance a part.

True, but in some roster versions, (Lidas and Manimal)...all NHL teams are given a primary affiliate. The unfortunate part of this is that there are 26 teams HARDCODED for the AHL, so 4 NHL teams have to have primary affiliates in the ECHL. I cannot recall which teams are which in the latest version.

So sometimes, depending on the NHL team you are running, the only option you have as an affiliate is an ECHL team.

With that being said, create a new GM....fire the ECHL sucky coaches and get the best ones you can find. Then if you do not want to deal with the ECHL team...just reitre that GM.

Wroom wrote:A question about young players and waivers/sending back and fourth between NHL and AHL/send back to juniors.

How are the rules here? Some guys can just be sent back to juniors. Is it because the amount of years of their junior eligibility?

The game sometimes handles prospects a little oddly, but here are some quick rules that cover most situations -

Drafted out of Canadian Major Juniors (QMJHL, OHL, WHL)

18 year olds*: Juniors or NHL. May not play in AHL or ECHL, not eligible by league rules
19 year olds*: See above.
20 year olds: May return to their junior team for "overage" season, but the junior club is only allowed very few spots (I think it's 2 or 3 - 3 in the Q, 2 in the O? I forget off hand) for overage players and it's not terribly impressive for a 20/21 year old to be dominating 16, 17, 18 year olds. Eligible for ECHL, AHL or NHL (naturally).
21+ year olds: ECHL (though the game doesn't recognize it, only players on entry-level contracts may be sent to the ECHL without first obtaining permission - again, game doesn't recognize this rule), AHL or NHL. Junior eligiblity has expired.

* - Players that have played 4 years of junior ARE eligible to play in the AHL (usually those that have gained "exceptional status") - I don't know if the game recognizes this, I've never tested it.
** - "Underage" players may join their respective pro teams or their affiliates once their CHL season is complete - and only after it is COMPLETE, the game does not recognize this and it's infuriating at the AHL, NHL and Major Junior level. Losing your best junior player because the NHL team needs to sign him during him the Championship round...come on...

College players may be signed "early" and be sent to the AHL as 18 or 19 year olds (trying to think of an example, I think Chris Bourque might qualify here) (however, I don't think I've ever done this and then had to send the player down to the AHL - I'd be curious to know how the game handles it if the former NCAA player was signed BUT also had CHL rights and junior eligibility, would it not allow you to send him to the AHL?). Similarly, Europeans may be sent to the AHL after they are signed - the names Jiri Tlusty and Niclas Bergfors come to mind here as citations. The game does not (to my knowledge) recognize the NHL's clubs ability to loan a player back to his European club. I also believe that there is a rule somewhere (which I may not get completely right, help me out if you know it because I'm going off memory) that Swedish players NOT chosen in the first round of the NHL Entry Draft that have signed their Entry Level Contract at or before the age of 19 may NOT be sent to the AHL but MUST be returned to their Swedish team. First round picks (see: Larsson, Adam) may be sent to the AHL at the club's discretion or returned to their Swedish team. There's no chance the game would recognize that as it's way too complicated and it's a new rule.

* - Collegiate players may leave their college team to pursue a Major Junior team if a team holds his rights and he has junior eligibility but a player may NOT leave his junior team and go to college. The NCAA recognizes the CHL (again, QMJHL, OHL, WHL) as a professional entity because teams like Windsor, London, Quebec, etc. pay their best players despite league rules players receive a stipend for expenses (among other things).

** - NCAA players are not eligible for NHL training camp as it assumes the team will a) pay the player for his services b) provide "free" services to the player such as lodging, travel expenses, equipment - thus, making him ineligible. The game does not recognize this, but if a NCAA player so chooses, he may pay his own way to a training camp and still retain eligibility.

I think I covered most of the scenarios? Any further questions or corrections, please don't hesitate to post...

batdad wrote:True, but in some roster versions, (Lidas and Manimal)...all NHL teams are given a primary affiliate. The unfortunate part of this is that there are 26 teams HARDCODED for the AHL, so 4 NHL teams have to have primary affiliates in the ECHL. I cannot recall which teams are which in the latest version.

So sometimes, depending on the NHL team you are running, the only option you have as an affiliate is an ECHL team.

With that being said, create a new GM....fire the ECHL sucky coaches and get the best ones you can find. Then if you do not want to deal with the ECHL team...just reitre that GM.

Ah yes, that is very true - very good point. I should have alluded to this as I started a recent "unemployed" game and ended up in the ECHL. Rolled through it until I met a team of fringe NHLers and top prospects that dominated me. Most of my players were "orange to red" most of theirs were "yellow and up" - I went against Corey Crawford in the Kelly Cup Finals...in the NHL, that's not bad, but in the ECHL...

It's unfortunate that that cannot be corrected. Is there any sort of "case study" (for lack of a better term) on the development of prospects from teams that have no AHL affiliate vs. the field (i.e. those that do?). I know Philadelphia's team Adirondack is a real-life AHL team that plays in the ECHL in this game - does that hurt development given the far weaker competition they face? Also, would it not just be better to have those 4 teams share an AHL affiliate with another club? It's better than nothing, even if it's not true to life...

Hey guys got a question about European players. After drafting them do you usually leave them overseas to mature some or do you bring them right over even if no junior team has there rights?

For me in the past I have always brought them right over cause they never seem progress at all in Europe. Plus most never seem to get good playing time over there. My current save I enhanced all Euro leagues w/sim but that doesn't seem to have changed anything. I hate to have to pay a kid at the age 18 or even 17 at times just so there is a better chance they devolop better. However at the same time if I leave them in Europe it almost always turns out to be a wasted draft pick unless they went in the first 2 rounds. I guess this is more for the latter round picks.

One other thing I did some searches but couldn't find any info about this. Has anyone heard of a player from Britian that has made it to the NHL? I have never seen one in game before but I noticed the other day that I have one on my roster. A right wing who isn't all that bad though I doubt he will get any major burn for my team but so far looks like he could stick around for a bit as a 4th liner. Certainly should have a decent AHL run.

tmratlif wrote:Hey guys got a question about European players. After drafting them do you usually leave them overseas to mature some or do you bring them right over even if no junior team has there rights?

For me in the past I have always brought them right over cause they never seem progress at all in Europe. Plus most never seem to get good playing time over there. My current save I enhanced all Euro leagues w/sim but that doesn't seem to have changed anything. I hate to have to pay a kid at the age 18 or even 17 at times just so there is a better chance they devolop better. However at the same time if I leave them in Europe it almost always turns out to be a wasted draft pick unless they went in the first 2 rounds. I guess this is more for the latter round picks.

One other thing I did some searches but couldn't find any info about this. Has anyone heard of a player from Britian that has made it to the NHL? I have never seen one in game before but I noticed the other day that I have one on my roster. A right wing who isn't all that bad though I doubt he will get any major burn for my team but so far looks like he could stick around for a bit as a 4th liner. Certainly should have a decent AHL run.

The way European leagues are generally set-up, many younger players have to earn time behind veterans and that means playing 3rd and 4th line minutes. Things are very structured over there and they are pro leagues. Young players aren't the norm like they are in juniors or even in the AHL to an extent. If players are failing over in Europe, then you might consider bringing them over to play in the AHL.

As for your UK question, the players Steve Thomas and Owen Nolan (Ireland) immediately jumped to mind. Long time Bruin Ken Hodge I think was born in England, as was former Oilers d-man Steve Smith. Goaltender Byron Dafoe (who I believe has the middle name of Jaromir of all things) was born in England if memory serves...and although he didn't come over to play in the NHL - Tony Hand was a dominant player over in the EIHL and it's predecessors/successors. That's all that come to mind for now though.

I have a potential starting goalie who is dominating the AHL (1.74 GAA, .923SV%, 11SO), it is his first year playing in the minors, should I call him up next season or give him one last year in the AHL? He is 19 years old.

I'm afraid of ruining his development, but it seems that he is NHL ready due to those amazing stats. My scouts say he could be a depth player as of right now, and he does have the "could make an immediate impact" note.

Do you have the AHL league as enchanced? Is it's detail level on "quick sim" or "none"? As in, can you acess highlights after games?

If not, it means the games aren't actually "played" up to the game's potential, it is just simmed quickly. It can creat unrealistic stats that don't really translate the players ability accuratly.

Either way, I don't trust scouts too much, except for the "projected career role" tab, that can give you a god idea of the player's Potential Ability.

In your case, I would look at his attributes, if they are good enough for the NHL, or similar/better then your starter's attributes. Mainly Glove, Blocker, Reflex and Positioning.

I have it as quick sim, you can see all the player stats and everything but you can't see highlights after the games. The goalie has some really good attributes, everything physically is green except his puck handling. I don't know the rest but they aren't bad.

I guess we'll see how he does in training camp, I'll have him start a bunch of pre-season games then make a decision. I don't think starting in the NHL for a few weeks then being sent down will hinder his development, if it doesn't work out next season.

So, basically, his stats in the AHL are not and meaningfull as if the league was fully simmed. I hope you understood what I meant.

Still, those are very good stats. If his attributes are fine, give it a try, sure. Be mindfull of his training schedule and a good goaltender coach with decent (>15 if possible) "working with youngsters". I don't usually pay attention to Stick Handling for goaltenders, as I never let them leave the crease.

IslesEnforcer wrote:What is everyones take on Adam Larsson? I took him in the first round and ended up losing his rights because he didn't want to come over to the NHL. I practically begged the guy and he kept turning me down. I finally got him to sign an ELC but have to wait for the next transfer period which isn't until next season. Right now he is with my team in preseason, totally tearing it up.

Is he a defenseman? If so in my game he signed with Seattle in the WHL and didn't do so good the first couple of years however his last in the WHL was a monster year. I drafted him at the end of the 2nd round the year before and didn't even stay in the AHL for a full year though part of that was due to a string of injuries. After a few years as a 3rd line d-man he now runs with the 1st line and is pretty dominate. For me he is more offensive than most d-man I draft/sign so he doesn't get a lot of PK. This last season I just finished he was tied for 4th on my team in scoring and 2nd with assists. Both his wrist and slap shot are in the low 90's (I like the out of 100 format) but he doesn't shot the puck as much as I would like to see. I have him set to join the rush and set his personal shooting tactic to heavy but other than that I don't know what else to do.

After 5 years in the NHL he has a career rating of 7.71 and is averaging ~50 points a year. He is not a phyiscal guy at only 185 pounds so his hitting is low, about 1 every 3 games. However he is among my team leaders in takeways. To make up for his lacking D I pair him with a solid stay at home d-man and it seems to work out well. I don't remember him in any of my older saves so I have nothing to compare too however if you can get him then I would do it just don't be surprised if he is a late bloomer.

anyone who plays as OHL teams anyone ever find any good players in league below OHL besides OPJHL that u didnt draft? LIke such as Junior B leagues and such... The reason why i ask is because i am debating on if i want to play OHL or WHL as WHL has ajhl bchl, mjhl and sjhl and ohl has opjhl... just wondering if there were other teams that has good players that could be free agents..

Hopefully someone can help me with this.

Once the first ISS rankings come out, I start my NHL draft scouting (usually 2-3 scouts, default options). Once they're finished, I send them off again, rinse repeat.

Do my scouting reports get erased each time I send them off? I just got to the draft, and I pretty much had 0 information on players, which my scouts had 15 pages worth.

What's the accepted way to scout? Do you stop if the draft is less than 2 months away? or am I doing something wrong?

If you assign them to another job other than the draft, after they are completed scouting the draft....the reports will be there, but only in your scout report file on the player. If you don't assign them to anything else it will still be in the list form, and you can view the **** rating for the players in a long list once you are in the draft.

But you absolutely cannot let the scout go prior to the draft or you will lose his reports.

Any tips on developing a goalie? I have a goalie 21 years old "projected" as starting. I tend to suck at developing goalie. any tips?