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That hit by ovechkin on jagr was massive!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7nfSW6kRUU

getzlaf15 wrote:

bruins72 wrote:Why does NBC hate hockey? Every night in their prime time slots they have Olympics events that happened earlier in the day and are being re-shown at a time when they can reach the biggest audience. Every time I check out what's on there, it's something other than hockey. I think they're showing the hockey on one of their lower networks like MSNBC or something.

Why the hockey hate?

You want to attempt to get British television to broadcast it. Luckily, they realised the size of the USA-Canada game and did actually show it. The commentaters know Sweet FA about hockey though.

Few memorable quotes.

Ryan Millers style is a "Swan".
Team Canada are on the "power kill."
"Robert Ryan".
Erik Johnson scores a "First timer".
A hockey game is made up of 3 "sessions".

The amount of players names he says in a funny way is annoying too.

You know, they did exactly the same thing here in Poland, I guess the game was too big an event to miss it. And the commentary was also outrageous:

Patrick "Keane"
Zach "Paris" or "Parizé"
Martin "Brodoor" or "Brodawr" (I'm trying to write it as they pronounced it, not easy though)
Chris Pronger (pronounced with the "g" sound like in "giraffe")
Jonathan "Tows"
"The crowds are once again chanting 'Go Canada Go'" (repeated every couple of minutes)
etc.

Thus Canada, now coming Germany! We'll spank you ass!

Marco Sturm says it will be a rollover for CAnada.

Technically it should be a rollover for Canada, but you have to play the game. If CAnada looks ahead to Russia...oh oh.

Rumour has it Luongo is now the Team Canada #1. Not sure that is the right choice, but guess we will find out.

batdad wrote:Sorry..I did not mean average for Brodeur. Just average for a goalie. He should be better and is better than that. However...would you rather have Luongo playing the puck? I mean, honestly if we feel that Brodeur's biggest problem was playing the puck last night, and we are looking at moving him out because of it, you are NOT going to bring Luongo in for it. The only difference is Luongo may not TRY to play the puck quite so often. However, Brodeur is the better goalie. And...he ALWAYS responds with a big game after a so-so one. Brodeur goes.

Luongo is not good at handling the puck and he knows it so I bet he would not have tried to play it but rather hold it for a faceoff. Brodeur sucked pretty bad and I'm afraid his time as a top goalie is pretty much over. Also time for Pronger and Neidermayer to step aside. They both look sooooo slow. Time for some of the younger guys but it's too late for this Olympics.

Unfortunately i think you're right. That's why i don't have faith in the team this year. I don't think they will won gold, but i don't think they won't win a medal, so it's silver or bronze.

DJP19 wrote:That hit by ovechkin on jagr was massive!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7nfSW6kRUU

Well, not as massive as media write. Jagr said he had seen Ovechkin but didn't want to dump the puck. So he just got ready for hit and immediatelly after that he skated back to his defensive zone and followed Ovechkin.
But his eye shield was broken after the hit.

No...that hit was as massive as the media portrays. Jagr saw Ovechkin? Yep..maybe at the last second which is why he tried to jump to the right. But sorry...the fact that he gets crushed, turns the puck over and gets Polak caught coming up into the rush, and the Russians go in on a two on one and score...that hit is the biggest momentum changing hit in the Games so far. Massive for bone crunching, massive for momentum and massive for changing the way the game was going. Period.


Hmm...where are those guys that were saying Pronger and Niedermayer would be fine for the tournament now? I said Nieds would be okay...darn I never thought he was going to look as old as he has. Anyone rather have Green on the team than Pronger now? Maybe even over Boyle? That PP looks real good doesn't it so far?

DJP19 wrote:That hit by ovechkin on jagr was massive!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7nfSW6kRUU

The original video is not available yet, but here is Jagr's reaction.

batdad wrote:Hmm...where are those guys that were saying Pronger and Niedermayer would be fine for the tournament now? I said Nieds would be okay...darn I never thought he was going to look as old as he has. Anyone rather have Green on the team than Pronger now? Maybe even over Boyle? That PP looks real good doesn't it so far?

Who cares about a offensive defensemen who sucks in defense? The guy can just score 1-2 goal per game that doesn't make the team win and this doesn't help the PP either at all.


Mike Green should have been the 7th defensemen, in the pre-qualification they can play with 7 d-men i think?? Make him the 7th and just give him some PP, i don't think there's something wrong with that.

batdad wrote:Hmm...where are those guys that were saying Pronger and Niedermayer would be fine for the tournament now? I said Nieds would be okay...darn I never thought he was going to look as old as he has. Anyone rather have Green on the team than Pronger now? Maybe even over Boyle? That PP looks real good doesn't it so far?

I was hoping Niedermayer would be as good as usual, but he does seem a bit on the slow side. Maybe he's too old to make as much impact on the team as he once did, but I still believe his experience and leadership might be needed at some point.

I don't know about Green, but I would definitely have Bouwmeester over both Pronger and Boyle.

philou21 wrote:

batdad wrote:Hmm...where are those guys that were saying Pronger and Niedermayer would be fine for the tournament now? I said Nieds would be okay...darn I never thought he was going to look as old as he has. Anyone rather have Green on the team than Pronger now? Maybe even over Boyle? That PP looks real good doesn't it so far?

Who cares about a offensive defensemen who sucks in defense? The guy can just score 1-2 goal per game that doesn't make the team win and this doesn't help the PP either at all.


Mike Green should have been the 7th defensemen, in the pre-qualification they can play with 7 d-men i think?? Make him the 7th and just give him some PP, i don't think there's something wrong with that.

How he can keep his game condition, if he plays few mins pp/game and nothing else?? Same thing with Petteri Nummelin who isn't in Team Finland.

I was just saying that......it's sure they will let play him at least 10 min per game + the PP time, but maybe not as much as the others who are better in defense. the whole point is that Mike Green could have been the difference on the PP of the Canada even at a 7 d-men.

Actually I am not sure Green would have made that much of a difference. His strength is not moving the puck quick, it is being totally offensive minded. He may have fallen in to the same trap as some of the Canadians...thinking they should be the shooter all the time, because that is what they do for their NHL club.

Now...Niedermayer is not really slow skating. He is slow moving the puck, and his decision making was off in the last game. He may yet be just fine. But he is certainly not the star he once was. Pronger? Just slow and dumb save game 1 vs Norway.

Maybe the boys get it together....but they better do it fast or they are done.

Again, who on this planet who knows hockey would have thought that at this point of the tournament it would be a guarantee that either Russia or Canada would leave without even getting a medal.

One thing is for sure...either Russia or Canada is going to have a big big conversation about development of players and the way the game is played properly coming starting Thursday. Or maybe even tomorrow.

Canadians will never get over it if they lose to germany. Hockey is for them like religion to middle-east fundamentalists.

ReggieDunlop wrote:Canadians will never get over it if they lose to germany. Hockey is for them like religion to middle-east fundamentalists.

If that really happen, i can't imagine how long we will heard of this, certainly until the next Olympics. Steve Y. will get so much critics it's gonna be unbelievable! It's already start since game 2 against Switzerland.

I could be playing the devil's advocate, but I personally don't find it to be unexpected if Canada doesn't medal, let alone if they don't win the gold. They've only medaled once, gold in 2002, since the NHL started participating. And before that, silvers in '92 and '94 were their first medals since the 1960's.

I will say that I do hold optimism for this tournament, as our gold medal winner in '02 had a near identical record after the preliminaries were over. But I also think it's time more people realized that, while we do still produce the largest amount of high quality players, we will not be putting out the strongest team tournament after tournament.

McQwak wrote:

DJP19 wrote:That hit by ovechkin on jagr was massive!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7nfSW6kRUU

Well, not as massive as media write. Jagr said he had seen Ovechkin but didn't want to dump the puck. So he just got ready for hit and immediatelly after that he skated back to his defensive zone and followed Ovechkin.
But his eye shield was broken after the hit.

As much as i like jagr and the czechs, that hit was great. it also cost a goal which ended up costing them the game.

Go czechs vs Latvia tonight.

The Hutch wrote:I could be playing the devil's advocate, but I personally don't find it to be unexpected if Canada doesn't medal, let alone if they don't win the gold. They've only medaled once, gold in 2002, since the NHL started participating. And before that, silvers in '92 and '94 were their first medals since the 1960's.

I will say that I do hold optimism for this tournament, as our gold medal winner in '02 had a near identical record after the preliminaries were over. But I also think it's time more people realized that, while we do still produce the largest amount of high quality players, we will not be putting out the strongest team tournament after tournament.

Couldn't agree more.

DJP19 wrote:

The Hutch wrote:I could be playing the devil's advocate, but I personally don't find it to be unexpected if Canada doesn't medal, let alone if they don't win the gold. They've only medaled once, gold in 2002, since the NHL started participating. And before that, silvers in '92 and '94 were their first medals since the 1960's.

I will say that I do hold optimism for this tournament, as our gold medal winner in '02 had a near identical record after the preliminaries were over. But I also think it's time more people realized that, while we do still produce the largest amount of high quality players, we will not be putting out the strongest team tournament after tournament.

Couldn't agree more.

Same here.

Hutch, I think people do realize that. Everywhere I go people talk about the Russians, Americans, Swedes and some even the Czechs and Finns as potentially knocking us off. However...I think it is great that at least in something for Canada, it is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to be middle of the pack. LOSING IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH

that is why I loved the Own the Podium thing. Our athletes in all sports were encouraged to PUSH IT to get a gold medal. 2nd through 6th were not good enough anymore. It is about time. I am so sick of us celebrating when we win 25 Bronze medals, 1 Silver, 1 Gold and finish 4th-10th 200,000 times. Just not good enough. We are a big winter sport country. We are a big country compared to many in the Winter Games...and we are good dang it.

So...when people EXPECT gold from Canada's hockey team. Good. They should. And they should be peeved when Canada loses. And something should be done about it. Because being middle of the pack is not good enough at anything. Be the best at what you are the best at.

We have more kids playing hockey than virtually anywhere in the world. I mean in Toronto alone 300,000 kids...that is astounding. How come we are not developing the kids to the point where we have MORE STARS than anyone else? What is wrong with our model? Tons...especially the political part.

Hockey Canada was created to help develop our minor hockey programs, and get the best to our kids. So how come the only time we hear about them...is well let us see...World Junior Championships and World Championships and Olympics and U18 championships.

What the heck are they doing for the kids? They get a TONNE of dough from these tournaments...and do nothing to help the kids get more ice time, afford more coaching, afford more equipment. Where does it go? Right...figutre that one out. Check out the 50-50 #s from World JUniors...some of that goes to Hockey Canada...where is the money? Where is the work for kids?

Anyway...we should EXPECT to win...and 2nd through 10th is not good enough. That is why I love Melissa (skeleton) and the former druggie dude who lost in the aearials.. They went for it and ARE widdled they did not get it. They intend to do something about it. A little bravado and oomph is good for Canada.

batdad wrote:Actually I am not sure Green would have made that much of a difference. His strength is not moving the puck quick, it is being totally offensive minded. He may have fallen in to the same trap as some of the Canadians...thinking they should be the shooter all the time, because that is what they do for their NHL club.

Now...Niedermayer is not really slow skating. He is slow moving the puck, and his decision making was off in the last game. He may yet be just fine. But he is certainly not the star he once was. Pronger? Just slow and dumb save game 1 vs Norway.

Maybe the boys get it together....but they better do it fast or they are done.

Again, who on this planet who knows hockey would have thought that at this point of the tournament it would be a guarantee that either Russia or Canada would leave without even getting a medal.

One thing is for sure...either Russia or Canada is going to have a big big conversation about development of players and the way the game is played properly coming starting Thursday. Or maybe even tomorrow.

Before you said that Green should have been on the team, now you are saying that it would not make any difference if he was, make up your mind.

Do I really have to point out why Pronger is better than Green and Bouw etc., Pronger pretty much singlehandedly took the Oilers to the finals and should have been the MVP, he won a cup with the Ducks, yes he is 35 now, but 35 is usually the last peak year for D-men, Pronger may be better than that though.

Well it happened in Torino if you recall, so yes, I'm sure someone thought it could happen.

There is nothing wrong with the way Canada develops players, the other countries however need to build more rinks to catch up to Canada.

batdad wrote:I am going to that game

So you are in Vancouver, yet you root for the Rangers, what gives?

Don't forget the population too. Canada is 35 millions persons who almost all like hockey, Sweden only 10 millions, Czech 10 millions, Slovak 5 millions, Finn 6 millions. The only exeception is Russia with 142 millions peoples.

IceTimer wrote:

batdad wrote:I am going to that game

So you are in Vancouver, yet you root for the Rangers, what gives?

Is avatar was a joke back in times, he don't like the Rangers, i don't even know if he likes a team. Plus i don't get it. He go the the gold medal game, what been a Rangers fan get involved in this? It's the gold medal, there's gonna be a bunch of fans of every teams there.