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markiemark66 wrote:batdad, I am going to go ahead and disagree with you about the Red Wings having bad goalies.

"He has won three Stanley Cup championships in his career, all with the Red Wings, with two of them coming while he was starting goaltender."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Osgood

He has choked his chicken a little lately, but if two cups as starting goalie is "bad" then most goalies wished they sucked as much.

Old achievements doesn't mean nothing, cause he has failed perfectly this season. It's not good reason to keep him as starting goalie.

Ok, philou21, so we are 1:1

"Old achievements doesn't mean nothing, cause he has failed perfectly this season. It's not good reason to keep him as starting goalie."

That's fine. All I was saying is that Osgood is not a bad goalie.

Yeah, i agree with you, markiemark66. I just misunderstood what you tried to say.

Cool Jypfan. I know if Osgood was the best goalie in the world the Wings would have a better record than they do currently.

Círyatan wrote:Matt Pettinger (recently of Manitoba Moose) signs with the injury-troubled Canucks.

One player in, one player out Michael Grabner joins Demitra, Hansen, Johnson, Luongo, and D. Sedin on the IR with an ankle injury, possibly sidelining him for up to six weeks.

Círyatan wrote:

Círyatan wrote:Matt Pettinger (recently of Manitoba Moose) signs with the injury-troubled Canucks.

One player in, one player out Michael Grabner joins Demitra, Hansen, Johnson, Luongo, and D. Sedin on the IR with an ankle injury, possibly sidelining him for up to six weeks.

A broken ankle and torn ligaments, injured while kicking a soccer ball around pregame..... yikes

Uggh! The Bruins really need to get it together. They've been horrible lately. Their power play is lifeless and they can't seem to score at all lately.

CeeBee wrote:

Círyatan wrote:

Círyatan wrote:Matt Pettinger (recently of Manitoba Moose) signs with the injury-troubled Canucks.

One player in, one player out Michael Grabner joins Demitra, Hansen, Johnson, Luongo, and D. Sedin on the IR with an ankle injury, possibly sidelining him for up to six weeks.

A broken ankle and torn ligaments, injured while kicking a soccer ball around pregame..... yikes

You mean a football, CeeBee? Dreadful luck, though. The only positive thing is that the rest of the team seem to be getting along, somehow. The Rangers game was nice, Kesler had three assists against them, with Samuelsson scoring twice. Rayzor's looked solid in goal recently, too.

bruins72 wrote:Uggh! The Bruins really need to get it together. They've been horrible lately. Their power play is lifeless and they can't seem to score at all lately.

Two games without a goal. By the way, the second one was Osgood's 50th career shutout maybe not the best goalie in the league, but sure knows how to do his job properly.

rayzer was lucky last night. TOo many chances left to the Rags..just lucky most were to Higgins. And Gaborik turned down virtually every shot opportunity he had. Raycroft was very very awkward looking to me. Just lucky.

Boston is looking absolutely brutal. Lazy and not banging...What? Chara was coughing up the puck left and right last night. Looked as awkward as a 6'11" skinny teenager.

And SOrry,...whoever it was who said Osgood is a good goalie? Well....no. He is not anywhere near good by NHL standards. He is at best just below average. Yes he has won cups and stuff. But that is all to do with the team in front of him who clear rebounds and give up ZERO second chances. Last night, they gave up those second chances a bit, and everyone was either shot wide or hit a crossbar or post...Ozzie stopped none of them. He is really a star AHL calibre goalie, who is at best a good NHL backup at this point in his career. Detroit just runs with him because he has no salary demand. Why does he have no salary demand? Because he is not good, and he knows it.

batdad wrote:And Sorry,...whoever it was who said Osgood is a good goalie? Well....no. He is not anywhere near good by NHL standards. He is at best just below average. Yes he has won cups and stuff. But that is all to do with the team in front of him who clear rebounds and give up ZERO second chances. Last night, they gave up those second chances a bit, and everyone was either shot wide or hit a crossbar or post...Ozzie stopped none of them. He is really a star AHL calibre goalie, who is at best a good NHL backup at this point in his career. Detroit just runs with him because he has no salary demand. Why does he have no salary demand? Because he is not good, and he knows it.

That's what i'm talking about!

philou21 wrote:

batdad wrote:And Sorry,...whoever it was who said Osgood is a good goalie? Well....no. He is not anywhere near good by NHL standards. He is at best just below average. Yes he has won cups and stuff. But that is all to do with the team in front of him who clear rebounds and give up ZERO second chances. Last night, they gave up those second chances a bit, and everyone was either shot wide or hit a crossbar or post...Ozzie stopped none of them. He is really a star AHL calibre goalie, who is at best a good NHL backup at this point in his career. Detroit just runs with him because he has no salary demand. Why does he have no salary demand? Because he is not good, and he knows it.

That's what i'm talking about!

I won't argue with that either. I've always thought him to be, say, between average and decent at best, whatever that means but it's true that his achievements have lots to do with the quality of players that play alongside him.

You all make it sound like just anyone can stand in net as it "is all to do with the team in front of him".

No I do not. Read what was written. He is NOT a good NHL starting goalie. NHL...not beer league. He is a top notch AHL goalie, and a decent NHL backup. He is NOT an NHL calibre starting goalie. After all these years in the league, if he was...he would be making alot more money than he does. Even Osbad knows he is not that good. Otherwise, he would get some money. So far, there was only one team to make a mistake and offer him money he took at one time...who was that again? Right..the Islanders musical-goalie-go-round.

He has done decently with good teams in front of him. Period. I mean come on...how do you think Luongo's career stats would look if he played behind the Wings instead of Panthers for all those years? Right...much better.

Osgood is at best the 20th or 21st best starting goalie in the NHL. The list of those behind him is very short. One could argue that Quick, Mike Smith, Chris Mason, Dan Ellis, Huet, Price/Halak, Gustafsson/Toskala, Theodore/Semenov, Lehtonen/Pavelec are worse than him. But...all of those tandems have one thing in common. At least one goalie there is 10 - 15 years younger than Osgood and are developing into their roles. Osgood cannot have that consideration. He should be better. He is not.

I agree with Batdad, although I do think he does go a bit over the top but he always does that.

Osgood has never been more than a distinctly average NHL goalie, it has never been a problem for him at Detroit as they have never really been in need of great goaltending during his tenure at the club, but during the time he spent away from the Wings his averageness really showed itself.

The problem with him though, isn't the past, but the fact that what once was a distinctly average NHLer has now reached an age where he is in decline, at the same time as the team in front of him is slightly worse than usual.

Ill agree that Osgood is now a marginal backup at best now but he posted pretty good numbers in new york considering it was new york, but the best thing about osgood has always been his play under pressure.

The Bruins have just issued a press release stating the David Krejci has the H1N1 flu now. He'll be isolated from the team until he's better.

Of course this happens when they're already struggling.

Could also explain why Krecji is playing so horrible. Anyone watch the Dallas-Calgary game last night?

McGuire going on and on about playoff intensity..not sure I saw that, but it was a heck of a game. Iginla was a raving mad machine last night. Curtis MclHenny or however you spell it could steal Kippers job he keeps up with that performance. He was ON FIRE>

batdad wrote:Could also explain why Krecji is playing so horrible.

If that's the case, almost the whole Bruins roster must have the H1N1 flu. About the only guys who have been playing up to their abilities are the guys on the 4th line.

And well.....that makes them.....a 4th line.

(cause a 4th line playing to skill level...is a 4th line)

It would be a good excuse though hey B72?

Canucks have

Luongo
Sedin
Grabner
Demitra
R Johnson

Schneider, Salo, Wellwood, Burrows, Rypien, and others have all been out as well in that time....

a whole slew of others out...so many cannot name...and they have gone 6-2 in their last 8. Hmmmm

Ryan Kesler anyone? He is having one heck of a start. He is the leader on this team.

The Bruins are without Savard and Lucic and now Krejci but for some reason these guys play like they've never even met each other. They're playing like they've got no chemistry. The team hasn't changed that much from last season.

Out:
Ward
Hnidy
Yelle
Axelsson
Kessel
Kobasew

In:
Morris
Sturm (he was injured for most of last season)
Begin
Paille
Sobotka (recent callup to cover injuries)
Marchand (ditto)

That leaves the majority of the team unchanged from last year. Yelle was a checking/PK center that played most of last season on the 4th line. He was replaced by Begin, who has performed really well. Hnidy was a 7th defenseman most of the season. He really only played when we had injuries. Kobasew is a guy that worked hard but didn't produce much and he was injured a whole lot. I'd say his loss is made up for with Paille or one of the youngsters (Sobotka or Marchand). Axelsson was at the end of his career and just wasn't as effective as he used to be. He had been with the team for a long time. Maybe he's missed? Ward might also be missed. He was a big character guy that all of the guys really liked. He was also a solid defenseman. Maybe his leadership is missed? Still, he was injured quite a bit last season and they faired well without him. So that leaves Kessel. Even if he stayed with the Bruins he would just be starting his season now. And honestly, a good portion of his offense should be replaced by Sturm. I just don't see any reason why the rest of our offensive players can't seem to produce this year.

Slow start. Lots of guys have em. Nothing to worry about yet. Look at Iggy, Lebongo....bunch of em...Lidstrom...they will all get there.

It's okay when 1 or 2 guys have a slow start but it's bad when it's the whole team.

Yes it is..Ask the Dead Things.

right here is the big problem

Yelle
Axelsson
Kobasew

they good role players and leaders for the team and now with them gone, thye are missed. remember axelsson wanted to stay but left because boston had no cap for him, because they were chasing kessel up and down the halls to sign with them.

Don't get me wrong Master Burke over paid for Kessel who is nothing more than key role player but not a core elite leader/player.

and now with the bad start and 4 or 5 picks in the first 2 rounds boston is in good shape to add to their stockpile.

Maybe now people will start listening to what i have to say about Tim Thomas the most overrated goalie since Huet