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visualdarkness wrote:I agree 110% with the decision to veto that trade, what the heck was that kind of trade? We cant let a manager that might not even be here completely ruin a team, that is simply the backside of having keepers.
I tried a far more balanced trade but that got rejected instead so I dont now what is up with WSB?

WSB traded Tomas Plekanec, Mon C to SURA
WSB traded Vladimir Tarasenko, StL RW to SURA
WSB traded Wayne Simmonds, Phi LW to SURA
SURA traded Jonathan Toews, Chi C to WSB
SURA traded Joe Thornton, SJ C to WSB
SURA traded Taylor Hall, Edm LW to WSB

The issue is not so much the veto of this particular trade but that it's just one man making the call. One point of view. As I said, a trade should only be vetoed if it's clear collusion or dumping, not based on what value one puts on given Vetoes should not be used to prevent trades people don't like or to protect a manager from himself.


Visualdarkness, you say that you agree110% with the decision to veto that trade, complain about the trade, and also claim that you came up with more balanced trade.

However, from where I'm standing, your proposal ain't that much different/better than mine.
1. You want Plekanec back, who can be considered as keeper. Whether you keep him or not is another question. He provides decent stats.
2. You offer Towes, who provides basically soft stats and is good for about 60pts. Not Exactly super star.
3. Thorton is an aging star, albeit a productive one. Again, only soft stats.
4. Taylor Hall is attractive part of the deal.

Meanwhile, I gave him a blue chip prospect in Larkin, 20/20 in his rookie year. Voracek that had 55 in a down year with some injuries but his a part of very dynamic team, which has a very potent PP. Palat, alongside Kucherov and Johnson is the future of the Lighting.

Even if one consider your offer better, it's not by a land slide.

But my point is this, imagine your offer gets accepted instead and gets vetoed because one person thought it's one sided. I don't think that's right. People value players differently. People should be allowed to make the trades they deem favourable.
If it's not collusion or dumping, I say let it be. There is no veto in the NHL when one GM does worse than the other or vice versa. One should not be able to simply overturn moves that a given team makes because he doesn't like them.
The very lease we can do is give each team the power to veto a trade and then this trade goes to vote, if the majority of owner are ok with the trade it gets finalized.

I just want to explain my reasoning for "destroying" this team.

For one, I value Larkin really high, and especially with Datsyuk possibly leaving the Red Wings, will just put Larkin in a position to be the Red Wings No. 1 Centre and give him a bigger role with the team. I basically value Larkin and Voracek for Tarasenko.

And with Larkin coming over to my team, he would be a keeper for me.

I don't care for Wayne Simmonds as player. Palat for Simmonds and Lindberg (who is a throw away player in this deal) I agree, that one might sound a little one sided. But instead of going by "stats" which obviously Fantasy hockey is all about, I see potential in Palat. So you guys might consider this trade a joke, but in my personal opinion, I think it is a great trade for me.

*Edit*
I also planned to keep all three players that were coming back in the trade. Also, if you guys don't agree with the way I decide to run MY fantasy team, I will drop from the league.

I also thought the idea ofa keeper league was to build a team for the long haul, so I could easily be mistaken

visualdarkness wrote:I agree 110% with the decision to veto that trade, what the heck was that kind of trade? We cant let a manager that might not even be here completely ruin a team, that is simply the backside of having keepers.
I tried a far more balanced trade but that got rejected instead so I dont now what is up with WSB?

WSB traded Tomas Plekanec, Mon C to SURA
WSB traded Vladimir Tarasenko, StL RW to SURA
WSB traded Wayne Simmonds, Phi LW to SURA
SURA traded Jonathan Toews, Chi C to WSB
SURA traded Joe Thornton, SJ C to WSB
SURA traded Taylor Hall, Edm LW to WSB

I didn't accept your trade because I just simply was not interested in it

Guys guys guys, take it easy! I was merely trying to boost value of my guys for a trade.
This is hard times in trade land.

visualdarkness wrote:Guys guys guys, take it easy! I was merely trying to boost value of my guys for a trade.
This is hard times in trade land.

Wasn't mad !! But guys, plz take his players.. they are good

With your well-motivated post about your trade I have changed my view and vote for it to go through instead.

Most often the disallowed trades get people complaining but basically without providing any kind of solid arguments. It is off-season and Manimal can revoke that veto and have it go through. Chill out guys, motivate your trade well and things will get solved. I also had a trade vetoed and in hindsight I had no argument against the veto, so it was a good decision by Manimal. But a veto is not absolute in any way.

Manimal wrote:

m0fownz0r wrote:I have to voice my disagreement with the process then.

I think it will be much better and justified if each of us had a veto vote. This way when the league manager blocks a trade people cast their votes and the side with the majority of votes wins.

The way it's done now is rather one-sided and subjective.

If that is what the majority of managers think then we can change the process

Hay Manimal, is possible to put this as some kind of poll on the espn site or we wait and see if any of the other managers has any opinion on the subject?

I guess, alternatively, the process stays the same and people should state their motivation here, in case of a veto?

While on the subject, what needs to happen now to resolve the issue,one way or the other, about the current vetoed trade?

Finally, any idea when draft picks will be available as trading assets?

Cheers,
S

Draftpick trading is up to ESPN to get going. We have them enabled.
My guess is after the playoffs.

The trade issue will be sorted soon

Hey guys, it's been a week now.. Maybe a little outsiders perspective would help? http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showt ... ?t=2064219

Sorry, life is keeping me busy.
Go ahead and make the deal again and it'll pass

I approve that decision

yeah, well, now watts555 has gone astray

I want to veto the Tarasenko trade!
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Just kidding....EASY....just kidding....

visualdarkness wrote:I want to veto the Tarasenko trade!
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Just kidding....EASY....just kidding....

Do you want to deny/accept/counter the trade for Neal?

Hey guys,

I'm looking to move calder trophy finalist Shayne Gostisbehere, along with James van Riemsdyk, in a 2for1 deal, possibly with some draft picks involved (when they become available).

Let me know if interested!

Cheers

I also need 2 for 1 trades as I am overstocked.

Hey guys, I noticed the league is ready for activation, just FYI

"Your League Manager, Brian Stinson, must reactivate this league for the upcoming season"

League is now activated and draft pick trading has been allowed

I am still in for another season.

My players for your picks, AMAZING offers available!

When do we select keepers?

MWE wrote:When do we select keepers?

Mid-september is the deadline

Nazem Kadri; Patric Hornqvist & James van Riemsdyk all could be had for picks

VIK added Auston Matthews, Tor from FA to BE

Isn't Matthews supposed to be part of the upcoming draft?

Yep, I will sort it.
Lidas is no longer visiting this site.

Hey guys, any idea when the draft is going be? Also, any of you ever did draft on his mobile phone?