EHM The Blue Line

batdad wrote:Recovery time from what? practice? Or are you talking injured players? Because my guys in all challenges have had no issues with recov time.

In terms of condition, I'm speaking in regards to the previous poster in that some players conditions can drop into the 60's after a game. If you keep that player on a fitness regime, he's less able to recover back into the 90's - where you would want the player to be for a game.

Personally, I rarely ran into this problem in the early portions of the game (2007-1012), but when the game becomes taken over by regens, it pops up more often.

Well yeah, if he drops to a 65 or so you need to rest him. If you practice him he gets hurt. But then he is using the player in a situation the player is clearly not capable of handling. Or he is using only 3 lines, or something to that effect all the time. I have played 30 years in, and have only slight problems with this on very rare occasions.

batdad wrote:Well yeah, if he drops to a 65 or so you need to rest him. If you practice him he gets hurt. But then he is using the player in a situation the player is clearly not capable of handling. Or he is using only 3 lines, or something to that effect all the time. I have played 30 years in, and have only slight problems with this on very rare occasions.

Out of my usual 45 or so players on my main and farm team, I usually have 2-3 players that suffer from that problem from year to year. Plus, I notice it occasionally with players on AI controlled teams.

It's a sticky situation because you can damage a players progress if you're not careful. Like you say, if he drops down to a 65, you need to rest him. But, rest him too much and his attributes can and will drop. You can train him in fitness, but if his condition is low and you continue to practice him, he will become injured or his condition will drop further and the player may not be able to recover, sending him in a downward spiral.

This is what I meant by saying that it's not necessarily as simple as putting the player on fitness training.

If a play regularly drops down to 65% after a game, he doesn't belong in the league he's playing in. That's just not right. Either than or you're playing him way too much.

I can understand this happening occasionally but not all the time. If it's just an occasional drop, often times the player has had an injury that wasn't serious enough to get a message about it. I've had a "potential injury" show up when I look at a player's profile immediately following a game (without clicking continue at all after a game). If it see this, I'll switch his practice to resting and then continue. Sometimes he'll still take a condition drop even though he didn't get the injury.

Yep, sorry but if that happens...the player is not a player. Ever.

bruins72 wrote:If a play regularly drops down to 65% after a game, he doesn't belong in the league he's playing in. That's just not right. Either than or you're playing him way too much .

Really, the place where this tends to bite that hardest is the AHL, where it's not unusual to have 3 games in 3 nights, and players in the 60s after the 3rd game.

And in the AHL with that occuring, you need to adjust how you use your players to be prepared for all three games. Three lines, overload all the time..not going to work. Neither will line matching against a team that is on overload. same thing with juniors but somehow or other I always manage to keep my guys in condition that they can handle it. Sounds like those guys you have the issue with, are just being overplayed in those games. Time to start trusting 3rd and 4th liners a bit more, and in other situations (pp,pk)

I agree. I usually rotate the players a lot in my AHL team depending on their condition and performance. This way i seem to be able to avoid those pesky injuries that occur to tired players. I've had some good results with this in terms of player development and even some success in the standings.

batdad wrote:And in the AHL with that occuring, you need to adjust how you use your players to be prepared for all three games. Three lines, overload all the time..not going to work. Neither will line matching against a team that is on overload. same thing with juniors but somehow or other I always manage to keep my guys in condition that they can handle it. Sounds like those guys you have the issue with, are just being overplayed in those games. Time to start trusting 3rd and 4th liners a bit more, and in other situations (pp,pk)

Hm, my tactics on my AHL team is normal/normal for forward/defense usage and equal for PP. I use the pre-set Physical Offensive tactic. I suppose I should try rotating my 1st-3rd lines to even out the playing time, but I hate devoting so much micromanagement to my AHL affiliate.

Thanks for the suggestions.

looking for the ehm guide but donno where its located under the downloads part of the site and was wondering if someone could help?

The EHM guide isn't in the downloads. Look at the very top of your screen, where the title bar is. It's the second "button" in from the left, right next to the one for blogs.

bruins72 wrote:The EHM guide isn't in the downloads. Look at the very top of your screen, where the title bar is. It's the second "button" in from the left, right next to the one for blogs.

The only reason why i asked is because someone said theres a pdf verison that u can download?

I don't know about a pdf version. Still, there's the HTML one you can read right there.

On the previous page someone said that when a players condition says "100% - Not in game shape" this means that the player hasn't had enough ice time recently. Currently both my starting and back-up goalie are showing this because they got basically no games during the preseason (I thought it would be better to let them rest and have my minor league goalies play most of the games, oops). I was wondering if anybody knows how many games it will take for them to get back into game shape and if there is anything i can do to speed it up!

Depends on playing time and maybe how long they have been off. Goalies only take a couple of games to get back into it (typically). Guys playing 17+ mintues don't tend to take too long, but 4th line/3rd pair players who only play 4-7 minutes a game may take a while longer. I've had players playing only a couple of minutes a night who lost "game fitness" even though they were dressing for every game (rare but it happened).

As for short cuts, I have never seen harder practices make any difference, the only thing that seems to make this go away is actual TOI in game situations. If they can pass through waivers, you can send them down to a farm team for a "conditioning" stint to get more playing time. I wish the game had a feature to do that for players who would be subject to waivers (like in the real NHL).

They'll be fine. Just throw them in there. It shouldn't take more than a couple weeks for your starter and your backup will be fine after a bit. There's no set time on it. Honestly, I never even pay attention to it.

thanks, yeah I just played them anyways and they did fine, it ended up taking about 10 games for it go away.