EHM The Blue Line

Nino - I've sent a message to Riz regarding the ECHL crash I've been encountering. Perhaps he'll be able to give an indication of what might cause the error and crash.

archibalduk wrote:Nino - I've sent a message to Riz regarding the ECHL crash I've been encountering. Perhaps he'll be able to give an indication of what might cause the error and crash.

OK (thanks!)
That's weird, as I have never had the issue occur (and when I do tests I select all leagues as enhanced)
I haven't done a multi-season test in awhile, but I regularly do "load up/advance a bit" tests

EDIT - Issue resolved/no concerns

The recent release of version 2 provided fixes for a number of minor issues, added info/connections for minor pro players, added hundreds of additional Major Junior players/staff and deleted all modern players/staff. The release post also noted a couple other things…

◦Thanks to XenHL's efforts, added complete player history for approx 17 minor pro teams and added the non-NHL player history for about 15 NHL teams. Previously only NHL players had player history, and previously only NHL/WHA stats were entered (now Junior/College as well as Minor Pro player history is included)
I’m not exactly sure how or why it happened, but It looks like 4 of 15 spreadsheets I received from Xen were not actually uploaded/added to the 1974 db and I had thought they were (thanks to Xen for noticing!). This is being fixed now

◦Added hundreds of historical Swedes, Finns, and Czechs/Slovak players! Work continues (still adding historical US College and Russian players). Some additional editing work needs to be done (in particular PAs and OFF/DEF Roles still need review/editing)
I’ve taken a bit of a break from work on the 1974 db since the release of version 2, and am just now returning my focus to the editing work (back to adding US College players, and then I’ll move on to adding Russian Elite League players)


Regards

nino33 wrote:MAY 19
Work continues (still adding historical US College and Russian players). Some additional editing work needs to be done (in particular PAs and OFF/DEF Roles still need review/editing)
I’ve taken a bit of a break from work on the 1974 db since the release of version 2, and am just now returning my focus to the editing work (back to adding US College players, and then I’ll move on to adding Russian Elite League players)

9 US College teams completed!
I don't think I'll be getting much more done in June, but plan to return to work on the 1974 db in July

Turns out I did get a lot more done in June!

In the last week I’ve moved a number of European teams that I’d populated with historical players from “lower leagues” to their applicable Elite League (because some of the Elite League teams of 1974 were not Elite League teams in 2006).
I’ve also corrected many of the default db “fake” European/Russian team names.
AND I’ve been adding Russian players! I took a break from adding US College players, and since last weekend I’ve increased the number of historical Russian players from 41 to 141

While I’ve still got US College to complete (about 40% done now), I recently completed adding the available historical players from Russia!

Rather than return to adding US College players I’ve been preparing to further edit the EU/Russian players.
I’m using an exported_attributes file and adding some basic IRL data…using career totals I’ve added Elite League GP, Goals, Points (and PPG) columns as well as a current Age column & Yes/No columns indicating whether the player played internationally, won individual Awards (Comments indicate specifics), and/or played in North America.

I’ve completed this for the Swedish players and am currently working on the Finns…
I’m going to use the IRL data when I (soon!) review/edit things like Potential, Adaptability, Offensive/Defensive Role and more

This is easily one of my favorite mods for a game, ever! Thanks for all the hard-work and keep it up!

luminouscarcass wrote:This is easily one of my favorite mods for a game, ever! Thanks for all the hard-work and keep it up!

Glad you like it!

nino33 wrote:I’ve completed this for the Swedish players and am currently working on the Finns…

Finished Finns, Czech, Slovaks and Russians & now working on Attributes!

How long in the future are the players made? I know that there's youngsters like Lemieux here. He's born 1965, so are there even younger players included here? Thanks for the fabulous work!! Why 1974 if I may ask? Was it somehow a good year in hockey or something!?

jhcjobpb wrote:Thanks for the fabulous work!!

You're welcome!

jhcjobpb wrote:How long in the future are the players made? I know that there's youngsters like Lemieux here. He's born 1965, so are there even younger players included here?

The youngest players are 1 at start-up, born in 1973 (like Eric Lindros and Scott Niedermayer)

jhcjobpb wrote:Why 1974 if I may ask? Was it somehow a good year in hockey or something!?

I'm an older guy, and this is the era of my childhood, so a retro database interested me...as EHM has "hardcoded limitations" (things that can't be changed) I had to have 30 pro teams in North America (i.e. the NHL), and before 2000 IRL there was only twice before 30 pro teams in North America - in 1974 there were 32 and in 1976 there were 30 when you combine the NHL and the WHA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Hockey_Association

I initially choose 1976 when I started this project three years ago, but after a few months I choose 1974 over 1976 (I had to start over due to a computer crash, and decided I wanted Bobby Orr still on the Bruins and still playing well, and Bernie Parent [my avatar!] still playing well on the Flyers...so I choose 1974)

Thanks for the answer.

nino33 wrote:The youngest players are 1 at start-up, born in 1973 (like Eric Lindros and Scott Niedermayer)

So I guess they can't be youger than that then.

Anyway, I made a list of "stars" that are missing from your database, hope it's okay? I'd like to see these guys there too (in the future)

Dominik Hašek
Jaromír Jágr
Pavel Bure
Peter Forsberg
Jari Kurri
Teemu Selänne
Sergei Fedorov
Nicklas Lidström
Adam Oates
Peter Bondra
Žigmund Pálffy
Alexei Yashin
Markus Näslund
Alexander Mogilny
Félix Potvin
Alexei Kovalev
Sandis Ozoliņš
Martin Straka
Sergei Zubov

jhcjobpb wrote:So I guess they can't be youger than that then.

I've actually tested players born after the start-up date, and it works!
There are some issues with really young players (like wonky height/weight growth)...but I'm hoping/expecting these will soon be easily fixed using the SavedGame version of his EHM Updater that Archi's working on. Also we might be able to add new players to a saved game someday...making almost anything possible!

jhcjobpb wrote:Anyway, I made a list of "stars" that are missing from your database

Thanks!
I've been working on the European/Russian hockey world for months, but the focus has been on populating the Elite Leagues with historical players.

Adding "extra young" players requires creating all the leagues below the EHM Junior level - for North America there are 5 new created leagues below bantam!...while it's been part of my plan for ages, it'll be awhile longer before I get to this for Europe/Russia (I have done a lot of the prep work already, i.e. European/Russian players to add by Birth Year spreadsheet created)

Right now I'm still finishing the European/Russian Elite Leagues, and in the plans now I still have US College players to finish adding, and along with extra young Europeans/Russians I've got more North American extra young players to add...but right now the focus is on finishing the Elite Leagues, inputting player history/stats research, and doing some Attribute tweeking for NA players and then releasing a version 3

Especially given it looks like we'll be able to actually use a 1974 start date!
For those that may not know, Archi's had some success getting the CSD Patch to work with a retro start date! http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 89#p157289

That sounds good. And well a LOT of work also... I'm gonna add a small "aditional" face pack for this. Those with a lot of PA.

EDIT: Why does "Tapio Levo" have 200 PA?!? Isn't that a mistake? He was good, but not that good.

jhcjobpb wrote:Why does "Tapio Levo" have 200 PA?!? Isn't that a mistake?

It's an error that will be fixed next update (Kent Nilsson's the same way)

jhcjobpb wrote:I'm gonna add a small "aditional" face pack for this. Those with a lot of PA.

Great!

Once the current challenge ends, I'd love to run a challenge with a 1974DB team. Will you make another release, up to where your progress is at the time?

Here's a small additional facepack. 47 new faces. Including Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, Shanahan, Chelios, Niedermayer etc.

Link: http://www1.zippyshare.com/v/62980788/file.html

bruins72 wrote:Once the current challenge ends, I'd love to run a challenge with a 1974DB team. Will you make another release, up to where your progress is at the time?

Yes!

jhcjobpb wrote:Here's a small additional facepack. 47 new faces. Including Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, Shanahan, Chelios, Niedermayer etc.

Link: http://www1.zippyshare.com/v/62980788/file.html

Awesome!

Do you want "team background" pictures for this pack? If you want I can make these kinda BGs for your pack ----> http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 78&t=10762

EDIT: Looking at the logos, what logo is that for Ottawa Senators, I can't find a similar only Ottawa Nationals but it's different?

jhcjobpb wrote:Do you want "team background" pictures for this pack?

That would be cool

jhcjobpb wrote:Looking at the logos, what logo is that for Ottawa Senators, I can't find a similar only Ottawa Nationals but it's different?

Hmm...Xen and Archi did the logos, IIRC Xen did Ottawa...I see the difference is the "missing N" of the logo, which works as the team is not the Ottawa Nationals but the Ottawa Senators! Another option (that I've used) is to use the (modern) Senators logo



FYI - I couldn't move the Ottawa Senators (or change their name) without experiencing a crash, and that's why they're there (the Ottawa players are actually the IRL players of the 1974 Michigan Stags of the WHA)


Due to "EHM editing limitations" as well as personal preference (didn't want more than 1 team per city) and geographical-division needs...

Ottawa Senators = IRL Michigan Stags
Seattle Totems = IRL Chicago Cougars
Phoenix Roadrunners = IRL Minnesota Fighting Saints
Colorado Rockies = IRL Kansas City Scouts
Birmingham Bills = IRL Toronto Toros

All other NHL teams in the database "match" their IRL team

nino33 wrote:Hmm...Xen and Archi did the logos, IIRC Xen did Ottawa...I see the difference is the "missing N" of the logo, which works as the team is not the Ottawa Nationals but the Ottawa Senators! Another option (that I've used) is to use the (modern) Senators logo

Okay, I have the other 29 logos downloaded now! I could use the 90's Senators logo instead of the newest, makes it feel more retro. This one ---> http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/1/21/full/152.gif

jhcjobpb wrote:I could use the 90's Senators logo instead of the newest, makes it feel more retro.

That's the one I use!
So you can't make one for the current logo as well?

nino33 wrote:

jhcjobpb wrote:I could use the 90's Senators logo instead of the newest, makes it feel more retro.

That's the one I use!
So you can't make one for the current logo as well?

Well I have made them both already in the background pack I released.

I've uploaded a version of Nino's v2.0 DB for use with the 1974 start date here: http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 44#p144905

Nino - When you get closer to releasing v3.0, I'll talk you through how to convert your DB for use with a 1974 start date and how to release versions for both 1974 and 2006 (similar to how we do with the TBL Rosters). It's really straightforward.

I've been running a long-term sim to test out the 1974 start date and it has gone perfectly with the NHL and Sweden on Enhanced. I've gotten as far as December 1987. The Habs won the playoffs for 5 consecutive seasons from 1974/75 - 1978/79. The Sabres won it in 1979/80 and then the Hawks won it in 1980/81. The Flames then won twice back-to-back, followed by the Rags, the Totems back-to-back and then, most recently, the Whalers in 1986/87.

Gretzky played 4 seasons in the Bantam league from 1974/75 - 77/78. Then he spent a year in the OHL with Belleville and since 1979/80 up until the present day (Dec 1987) he has been playing with the Mariners. He's scored 684 pts in 664 games.

Bryan Trottier has been pretty unstoppable so far. In the 11 and a half seasons he has played so far, he's managed 1,222 pts in 861 games! Lanny McDonald is another high scorer (1,579 in 1,090 games) - he holds the record for most goals in the season (82 in 79).

It's really neat seeing all of this with real years next to them rather than having to translate the years in my head. Once I've got the Updater done, I'm going to have some fun with the 1974 DB. Any recommendations as to teams to coach, Nino?

jhcjobpb wrote:

nino33 wrote:

jhcjobpb wrote:I could use the 90's Senators logo instead of the newest, makes it feel more retro.

That's the one I use!
So you can't make one for the current logo as well?

Well I have made them both already in the background pack I released.

Awesome!

archibalduk wrote: Any recommendations as to teams to coach, Nino?

It of course depends on what you're looking for, but I would recommend the "Eastern Conference" as it's full of classic/great teams of the era like the Rangers, Montreal, Boston and Philadelphia and so the playoffs should be more challenging/fun

I'd say for a real challenge in the East Washington/Ottawa are the weakest teams
Toronto/Buffalo are very good teams, while Atlanta, the Islanders and Quebec are decent/developing teams and Houston's not bad
New England/Birmingham/Pittsburgh are average/below average teams

My backgrounds are done soon, but it's 1AM here so I'll have to go to sleep now. But I'll post 'em here tomorrow. I was thinking of making all the backgrounds in one pack, and let players choose which backgrounds to use (your 74, 90's or current).

This thread picked up a fire!?