testing data - Forwards (Player Roles & Attributes)

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testing data - Forwards (Player Roles & Attributes)

Post by nino33 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:21 pm

FORWARD SNIPER FINESSE

TBL 11.2 at startup


WORLDWIDE CA 40-69 CA 70-99 CA 100-139 CA 140-159 CA 160-179 CA 180-200
#/CA average 624/54.3 186/53.4 96/81.3 76/119.1 10/149.8 4/164.5 -
Irrelevant Def Role 6.7 6.9 8.4 9.5 11.3 12.0 -
Essential Off Role 16.6 16.6 16.3 15.5 16.6 18.0 -
Adaptability 11.6 11.2 11.7 11.8 12.5 12.3 -
Ambition 12.1 12.3 12.0 12.5 14.7 16.8 -
Determination 11.8 11.9 11.5 13.0 15.8 18.8 -
Loyalty 11.6 11.2 12.2 13.0 14.9 16.8 -
Pressure 11.4 11.5 11.4 12.3 14.4 15.8 -
Professionalism 11.6 11.5 11.2 12.7 15.1 16.0 -
Sportsmanship 12.6 12.8 12.4 12.6 15.7 16.0 -
Temperament 15.0 14.9 14.9 14.4 16.4 16.3 -
WORLDWIDE CA 40-69 CA 70-99 CA 100-139 CA 140-159 CA 160-179 CA 180-200
Non-Essential AGGRESSION 4.4 4.3 5.6 7.4 8.9 9.3 -
Key ANTICIPATION 12.4 11.6 12.2 12.3 13.5 16.0 -
Non-Essential BRAVERY 6.5 6.4 8.6 10.4 10.8 12.8 -
Consistency 10.2 9.9 10.9 10.7 12.5 14.8 -
Decisions 5.6 5.5 7.9 11.1 13.3 15.0 -
Dirtiness 8.7 8.5 8.0 6.6 6.1 6.5 -
FLAIR 10.2 9.2 10.8 13.1 16.5 18.3 -
Important Matches 9.9 9.8 9.9 10.6 13.6 14.5 -
INFLUENCE/LEADERSHIP 8.3 8.2 9.2 9.9 10.8 5.0 -
Irrelevant Pass Tendency 7.8 8.5 8.9 9.9 9.6 9.5 -
TEAMWORK 9.7 10.0 11.4 12.4 14.2 15.8 -
VISION/CREATIVITY 10.6 10.5 11.2 12.8 14.5 16.3 -
WORK RATE 9.8 10.1 11.8 13.0 15.0 16.8 -
WORLDWIDE CA 40-69 CA 70-99 CA 100-139 CA 140-159 CA 160-179 CA 180-200
ACCELERATION 7.9 7.9 9.7 13.1 15.0 15.3 -
AGILITY 7.5 6.9 9.7 12.6 15.3 15.5 -
BALANCE 5.0 4.9 7.2 11.0 12.8 14.3 -
Irrelevant Fighting 2.0 1.8 2.4 4.3 5.3 4.5 -
Non-Essential HITTING 3.0 3.6 5.5 8.1 8.2 8.0 -
Injury Proneness 8.6 8.1 7.7 7.6 7.7 5.5 -
Natural Fitness 8.1 8.3 9.6 12.4 15.2 17.0 -
SPEED 8.0 8.3 10.2 12.8 15.1 14.8 -
STAMINA 8.1 8.1 10.0 12.5 14.8 16.8 -
Irrelevant STRENGTH 6.6 6.6 7.6 9.9 8.8 12.8 -
Agitation 8.7 8.6 7.4 6.7 5.9 6.3 -
WORLDWIDE CA 40-69 CA 70-99 CA 100-139 CA 140-159 CA 160-179 CA 180-200
CHECKING 4.4 4.6 6.3 9.0 12.2 13.3 -
Essential DEFLECTIONS 7.8 8.0 9.4 10.6 12.5 12.3 -
Essential DEKING 8.5 8.4 10.4 12.8 15.5 16.6 -
Key FACEOFFS - C 74/63.0 8.1 8.8 12.3 - 14.5 -
Non-Essential FACEOFFS - W 550/53.1 3.5 5.1 7.2 9.1 7.5 -
Essential MOVEMENT/OFF-THE-PUCK 8.4 8.4 10.8 12.3 13.8 15.8 -
PASSING 4.2 3.5 6.4 11.6 14.1 15.3 -
POKECHECK 4.6 4.7 6.4 9.5 14.5 16.0 -
POSITIONING 4.4 4.6 6.5 8.7 10.9 10.3 -
Essential SLAPSHOT 8.1 8.0 9.7 11.7 14.2 16.5 -
Essential STICKHANDLING 6.3 5.6 8.8 12.6 14.9 18.0 -
Versatility 8.3 8.2 9.4 10.6 10.8 11.0 -
Key WRISTSHOT 9.6 9.7 11.2 13.4 16.0 18.0 -

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testing data - Forwards (Player Roles & Attributes)

Post by nino33 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:34 pm

FORWARD SNIPER PHYSICAL

TBL 11.2 at startup


WORLDWIDE CA 40-69 CA 70-99 CA 100-139 CA 140-159 CA 160-179 CA 180-200
#/CA average 601/36.5 120/51.3 52/79.7 30/117.2 5/151.0 - 1/188.0
Irrelevant Def Role 6.4 7.6 9.5 11.1 11.6 - 9.0
Key Off Role 16.4 16.3 15.2 14.9 15.8 - 19.0
Adaptability 11.9 11.7 12.4 12.9 12.0 - 13.0
Ambition 12.1 12.7 12.8 12.6 13.2 - 17.0
Determination 11.8 12.1 11.7 12.3 15.4 - 19.0
Loyalty 11.4 11.3 11.7 11.7 12.0 - 19.0
Pressure 11.5 11.2 11.4 12.4 14.0 - 15.0
Professionalism 11.2 10.8 11.0 13.0 12.4 - 16.0
Sportsmanship 12.5 12.3 13.1 12.3 10.8 - 11.0
Temperament 14.9 14.7 15.3 13.6 10.8 - 15.0
WORLDWIDE CA 40-69 CA 70-99 CA 100-139 CA 140-159 CA 160-179 CA 180-200
AGGRESSION 9.8 9.6 10.3 11.6 13.2 - 13.0
Essential ANTICIPATION 11.2 10.8 10.8 11.4 13.2 - 17.0
BRAVERY 8.7 8.6 10.6 13.4 14.4 - 14.0
Consistency 10.0 10.1 10.3 11.2 12.2 - 16.0
Decisions 4.3 5.3 7.7 10.3 13.0 - 15.0
Dirtiness 9.5 9.4 9.6 9.4 7.2 - 8.0
FLAIR 9.2 8.6 9.6 10.9 10.6 - 20.0
Important Matches 9.7 9.1 10.3 11.2 10.4 - 16.0
INFLUENCE/LEADERSHIP 7.6 8.3 8.6 10.0 12.4 - 19.0
Irrelevant Pass Tendency 6.7 7.7 8.7 9.4 10.4 - 8.0
TEAMWORK 8.5 9.0 10.3 13.2 15.6 - 14.0
Non-Essential VISION/CREATIVITY 7.9 8.8 9.7 11.0 12.4 - 16.0
WORK RATE 8.8 9.6 11.0 13.3 15.6 - 15.0
WORLDWIDE CA 40-69 CA 70-99 CA 100-139 CA 140-159 CA 160-179 CA 180-200
ACCELERATION 6.8 7.7 9.3 12.4 12.8 - 17.0
AGILITY 6.7 7.3 9.1 11.6 12.8 - 15.0
BALANCE 4.0 5.1 8.0 11.6 12.2 - 17.0
Irrelevant Fighting 1.7 1.8 3.8 6.0 8.4 - 8.0
Essential HITTING 4.8 6.0 8.5 12.6 14.2 - 14.0
Injury Proneness 9.4 9.1 7.6 7.1 6.6 - 6.0
Natural Fitness 6.8 8.0 10.7 12.0 12.2 - 20.0
SPEED 6.8 7.9 9.7 12.2 12.6 - 17.0
STAMINA 7.1 8.3 10.0 12.3 14.0 - 18.0
Key STRENGTH 9.6 10.8 12.3 12.6 12.2 - 19.0
Agitation 9.4 9.0 9.1 10.3 7.8 - 9.0
WORLDWIDE CA 40-69 CA 70-99 CA 100-139 CA 140-159 CA 160-179 CA 180-200
Non-Essential CHECKING 2.7 3.4 6.0 10.0 14.4 - 14.0
Essential DEFLECTIONS 7.1 7.9 9.2 11.7 15.8 - 15.0
DEKING 4.8 6.2 8.0 10.5 12.8 - 18.0
Key FACEOFFS - C 169/27.9 7.8 9.4 10.7 15.0 - -
Non-Essential FACEOFFS - W 432/39.8 3.2 5.3 6.2 9.8 - 7.0
Essential MOVEMENT/OFF-THE-PUCK 7.2 8.2 10.2 11.2 11.8 - 20.0
PASSING 2.8 3.8 6.2 10.0 14.6 - 15.0
Non-Essential POKECHECK 2.6 3.3 5.7 10.0 12.6 - 14.0
Non-Essential POSITIONING 2.6 3.4 5.6 9.3 10.6 - 6.0
Key SLAPSHOT 8.3 9.2 10.4 12.3 14.8 - 20.0
STICKHANDLING 2.9 4.2 6.5 10.5 13.6 - 17.0
Versatility 7.9 8.7 9.7 10.2 10.6 - 9.0
Essential WRISTSHOT 2.4 8.3 9.9 12.8 15.6 - 20.0

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testing data - Forwards (Player Roles & Attributes)

Post by nino33 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:46 am

Some thoughts on this most recent testing (see my may 22nd post for parameters)...


Key/Essential/Non-Essential/Irrelevant Attributes seems to be working as intended :thup:

A couple observations
• Mental Attributes seem to be about the same regardless of the Player Role (which in makes sense I think)
• The gap between Essential and “normal/no designation” isn’t necessarily always significant with higher CA players


Along with similar observations while editing, I’ve read about the lack of “two-way” forwards (people noting they’re either just defensive or just offensive) & based on such feedback and the data compiled, here are some possible suggestions for consideration to improve the number of more complete or “two-way” forwards…
For All-Around forward , remove Non-Essential from Anticipation
For Defensive/Defensive Finesse/Defensive Physical forwards remove Irrelevant from Offensive Role…make it “normal” with no special designation (or at least change Irrelevant to Non-Essential for Offensive Role)
Do the same thing with Playmaker/Playmaker Finesse/Playmaker Physical forwards & Sniper/Sniper Finesse/Sniper Physical forwards and their Irrelevant for Defensive Role…make it “normal” with no special designation (or at least change Irrelevant to Non-Essential)

***It would be better if these suggested changes could only affect some but not all (for each Player Role some would stay as they are now and some would be changed as suggested above) but I suspect that might not be possible



I wonder if the Finesse Forward has having the Vision/Creativity Attribute as Essential makes them too much as a “top 6” player and not representing the many 3rd/4th liners who play a finesse game (and their lack of vision/creativity is often why they’re not a top 6 player…but they’re still a finesse player). Maybe/probably this isn’t necessary if Defensive/Defensive Finesse forwards have Irrelevant removed from their Offensive Role



Maybe I’m wrong in what I’m thinking…but I think maybe in game scouting reports are affected by Offensive/Defensive Role ratings (and the extreme differences when one is Key and the other Irrelevant make players get presented as too one dimensional – all offense or all defense).



All thoughts/comments/feedback is welcome and appreciated!

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