EHM The Blue Line

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:55 am**

I've done some significant "regen testing" this year - first in January, then in March, and now in July
I'm going to post my previous data first for comparison purposes......

January 2016 - Regen Testing

nino33 wrote:For the last couple weeks I've been running a long term sim, with almost every League on Enhanced, Full Database, and Full Detail Sim; currently the sim is in the year 2033. I've used the EHM:EA Assistant to export the player Attribute details into sortable spreadsheets

The primary thing I was wanting to look at was "what is the PA quality of the future/regen players?"
The primary "standard for comparison" was/is the current database, at the start of a new game.

So, the first data tables I'm posting right now looks at the TBL 8.1 database at startup.
The PAs of those players under age 23 are of course "variable" and so this particular distribution is a single (hopefully representative) example; those players over age 23 almost always have "set" PAs (and so the distribution is more researcher controlled).

I'm interested in looking at things by Nation, Player Role and/or Position.....when/if I have time

To make sorting/compiling the data easier I used Birth Year rather than Draft Year.
Across the top is the Birth Year and then the player age, down the left column is the PA distribution (from 100-200 in blocks of 10).

Here's what TBL 8.1 looks like at startup......

October 2015

BIRTH YEAR 1966 1967 1968 1969 1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 1975

PLAYER AGE 48-49 47-48 46-47 45-46 44-45 43-44 42-43 41-42 40-41 39-40

190-200 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

170-179 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

160-169 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0

150-159 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

140-149 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

130-139 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

120-129 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1

110-119 1 1 0 0 0 1 2 2 1 4

100-109 0 0 0 2 1 0 3 1 1 4

BIRTH YEAR 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985

PLAYER AGE 38-39 37-38 36-37 35-36 34-35 33-34 32-33 31-32 30-31 29-30

190-200 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1

170-179 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4

160-169 0 1 1 0 3 1 0 1 4 3

150-159 0 0 1 2 0 3 4 3 6 7

140-149 1 0 1 2 4 4 5 7 9 8

130-139 0 3 8 3 6 11 18 13 21 19

120-129 3 9 8 13 16 20 20 20 28 25

110-119 2 8 12 16 30 28 26 33 40 46

100-109 7 4 19 28 24 23 27 33 50 56

BIRTH YEAR 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995

PLAYER AGE 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20

190-200 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 1 0 1 2 2 0 0 0 1 1

170-179 3 2 1 2 2 3 2 0 2 0

160-169 3 3 3 6 4 2 7 2 4 2

150-159 6 8 11 6 8 8 5 6 11 9

140-149 11 12 4 6 12 10 9 13 7 7

130-139 130 29 23 16 27 40 35 26 30 18

120-129 30 33 23 22 34 39 50 42 38 36

110-119 38 37 46 39 55 61 71 42 54 40

100-109 68 44 48 45 44 63 64 61 57 58

BIRTH YEAR 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002

PLAYER AGE 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15 13-14 12-13

190-200 1 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 1 4 1 0 1 0 0

170-179 4 4 1 2 3 1 0

160-169 3 1 3 2 0 0 0

150-159 10 9 12 8 6 0 0

140-149 7 7 3 8 4 4 1

130-139 15 11 14 11 7 2 0

120-129 33 40 23 22 9 19 0

110-119 33 35 29 25 19 17 1

100-109 51 41 31 25 20 15 1

nino33 wrote:October 2023
BIRTH YEAR 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009

PLAYER AGE 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-18 15-16 14-15 13-14

190-200 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

170-179 1 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 0

160-169 1 0 3 2 1 0 2 3 1

150-159 0 1 2 3 5 2 5 1 2

140-149 6 2 6 0 3 1 8 3 1

130-139 9 11 8 13 14 22 19 10 2

120-129 44 19 21 22 18 21 27 5 5

110-119 46 46 46 49 38 33 43 24 4

100-109 76 65 39 53 47 52 50 22 5

October 2028
BIRTH YEAR 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014

PLAYER AGE 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15 13-14

190-200 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0

180-189 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0

170-179 0 2 0 1 0 1 2 1 1 0

160-169 1 0 2 5 4 4 1 1 1 0

150-159 5 2 5 3 7 4 12 4 8 2

140-149 3 1 8 11 10 4 9 12 5 1

130-139 14 22 19 18 12 17 14 24 21 6

120-129 18 21 27 16 19 29 23 21 20 5

110-119 38 32 42 46 38 41 37 45 31 4

100-109 47 52 49 55 52 36 47 63 22 6

nino33 wrote:October 2033
BIRTH YEAR 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019

PLAYER AGE 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15

190-200 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0

180-189 1 1 0 0 0 1 4 1 0

170-179 2 1 1 2 0 1 3 1 0

160-169 1 1 2 1 3 3 4 3 2

150-159 12 4 18 10 5 7 8 8 3

140-149 9 12 9 8 13 14 10 6 2

130-139 14 24 31 26 42 28 21 12 3

120-129 23 21 29 36 34 35 33 17 7

110-119 45 44 47 43 56 43 43 13 3

100-109 33 61 57 32 65 45 51 15 4

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:59 am**

nino33 wrote:It seems that the new regen system is such that if not the same PA being reused it's pretty close...at least with Top players (seems there's no chance of a "lower" PA player ever getting a Top PA, and Top PAs repeat themselves like they did in EHM 05/07)

Below is the retirement year and player age at retirement for all of the players with a PA of 170-200, all the players with a -10 PA and a bunch of players with the -9 PA (I was going to do all the -9 players, but the pattern's already well established without additional data)

Virtually every Top player plays into his 40s!
Those that don't play into their very late 30s

I have the test sim still going, currently in the fall of 2036; I used it to look up the players
After the player's name is the retirement year, and in brackets is age at retirement

Jake Allen – 2031 (age 41)
Jamie Benn – 2031 (age 42)
Patrice Bergeron – 2023 (age 38)
Ben Bishop – 2027 (age 41)
Sergei Bobrovsky – 2029 (age 41)
Nicklas Bäckström – 2028 (age 41)
Sidney Crosby – 2031 (age 44)
Drew Doughty – 2032 (age 43)
Oliver Ekman-Larsson – 2034 (age 43)
Ryan Getzlaf – 2022 (age 37)
Claude Giroux – 2029 (age 41)
Taylor Hall – 2034 (age 43)
Victor Hedman – 2032 (age 42)
Braden Holtby – 2028 (age 39)
Ryan Johansen – 2033 (age 41)
Roman Josi – 2033 (age 43)
Patrick Kane – 2030 (age 42)
Erik Karlsson – 2033 (age 43)
Duncan Keith – 2026 (age 43)
Anže Kopitar – 2028 (age 41)
Henrik Lundqvist – 2021 (age 39)
Evgeni Malkin – 2029 (age 43)
Ryan McDonagh – 2032 (age 43)
Alexander Ovechkin – 2027 (age 42)
Corey Perry – 2025 (age 40)
Alex Pietrangelo – 2031 (age 41)
Carey Price – 2028 (age 41)
Jonathan Quick – 2024 (age 38)
Tuukka Rask – 2027 (age 40)
Pekka Rinne – 2022 (age 40)
Cory Schneider – 2027 (age 41)
Tyler Seguin – 2034 (age 42)
Steven Stamkos – 2028 (age 38)
P.K. Subban – 2032 (age 43)
Ryan Suter – 2026 (age 41)
Vladimir Tarasenko – 2033 (age 42)
John Tavares – 2034 (age 44)
Jonathan Toews – 2026 (age 38)
Shea Weber – 2027 (age 42)
Henrik Zetterberg – 2020 (age 40)

For the "set PA" players above...
Red Font = 190-200 PA
Blue Font = 180-189 PA
Black Font = 170-179 PA

-10 PA players
Jack Eichel – still playing at 39
Auston Matthews – retired/not in HOF
Connor McDavid – 2037 (age 40)
Joe Veleno – retired/not in HOF

-9 PA players (14 of 65)
Aleksander Barkov – still playing at 41
Sam Bennett – 2035 (age 39)
Jonas Brodin – 2032 (age 39)
Ryan Brushett – still playing at 38
Jakob Chychrun – 2037 (age 39)
Maxime Comtois – still playing at 37
Louis-Filip Côté – retired/not in HOF
Grigori Denisenko – still playing at 36
Max Domi – still playing at 41
Leon Draisaitl – still playing at 40
Jonathan Drouin – 2034 (age 39)
Mathhew Dumba – 2034 (age 40)
Nikolaj Ehlers – still playing at 40
Aaron Ekblad – still playing at 40

EDIT - I've PMed Riz at SI, explained what I've done/found and linked this thread

nino33 wrote:Manimal and I were talking on Skype yesterday, he was wondering about CA levels and Skating Attributes.....here's some examples of retired players - I noted the CA, their Acceleration-Agility-Balance-Speed, and I also noted their last 3 seasons stats (the top season listed is their last)

While their Skating Attributes are very low (awful! HaHa), their CA wasn't bad, and their actual performance in most cases was still very high.....

Claude Giroux – 2029 (age 41) – CA 157/178
Skating 8-8-6-7
NHL 82GP 35PTS 6.89AvR
NHL 81GP 33PTS 6.88AvR
NHL 77gp 30PTS 6.88 AvR

Sergei Bobrovsky – 2029 (age 41) – CA 168/170
61GP 35W 2.22GAA 7.90AvR
60GO 35W 2.11GAA 7.82AvR
57GP 30W 2.16GAA 7.89AvR

Evgeni Malkin – 2029 (age 43) – CA 178/180
Skating 7-7-8-7
81GP 75PTS 7.48AvR
75GP 67PTS 7.36AvR
65GP 45PTS 6.94AvR

Taylor Hall – 2034 (age 43) – CA 158/170
Skating 9-6-6-6
NHL 78GP 46PTS 7.45AvR
NHL 76GP 41PTS 7.36AvR
NHL 82GP 40PTS 7.12AvR

Oliver Ekman-Larsson – 2034 (age 43) – CA 159/172
Skating 10-9-7-11
NHL 82GP 32PTS 7.27AvR
NHL 75GP 21PTS 7.24AvR
NHL 81GP 47PTS 7.52AvR

Tyler Seguin – 2034 (age 42) – CA 159/178
Skating 8-6-6-6
NHL 55GP 34PTS 7.47AvR
NHL 76GP 59PTS 7.51AvR
NHL 82GP 79PTS 7.57AvR

nino33 wrote:Here's some more examples; I added Stamina to the data too.
I don't understand why the HOF sometimes includes international seasons and sometimes doesn't (like Kovalchuk's time in the KHL isn't counted, but Rask's time in the Austrian League is).
Some players "can't be found ingame" in June of their last year, maybe because they played outside of NA and their season ended/they'd retired already
The idea that Top goalies perform very well until 40 seems to be validated!

Jake Allen – 2031 (age 41) – CA 158/170
6 Stamina
NHL 63GP 31W 2.67GAA 7.56AvR
NHL 63GP 21W 2.94GAA 7.22AvR
NHL 62GP 35W 2.28GAA 7.84AvR

Jamie Benn – 2031 (age 42) – CA 169/180
Skating 6-6-6-6 Stamina 6
NHL77GP 34PTS 7.01AvR
NHL 75GP 26PTS 6.92AvR
NHL 72GP 31PTS 7.19AvR

Sidney Crosby – 2031 (age 44)
Can’t find him ingame on June 27th 2031

Alex Pietrangelo – 2031 (age 41) – CA 158/174
Skating 7-9-8-9 Stamina 11
NHL 74GP 31PTS 7.01AvR
NHL 82GP 34PTS 7.17AvR
NHL 79GP 44PTS 7.38AvR

Ben Bishop – 2027 (age 41) – CA 155/170
Stamina 9
NHL 65GP 30W 7.43AvR
NHL 63GP 36W 7.67AvR
NHL 65GP 33W 7.55AvR

Alexander Ovechkin – 2027 (age 42) – CA 173/186
Skating 7-6-7-7 Stamina 9
NHL 59GP 50PTS 7.80AvR
NHL 76GP 36PTS 7.45AvR
NHL 82GP 48PTS 7.60AvR

Tuukka Rask – 2027 (age 40) – CA 155/170
Stamina 9
Aut 27GP 20W 8.81AvR
NHL 41GP 24W 7.95AvR
NHL 49GP 19W 7.97AvR

Cory Schneider – 2027 (age 41)
Can’t find him ingame on June 25th 2027

Shea Weber – 2027 (age 42) – CA 155/178
Skating 6-5-8-6 Stamina 11
NHL 80GP 30PTS 6.85AvR
NHL 72GP 29PTS 7.11AvR
NHL 78GP 24PTS 7.03AvR

Carey Price – 2028 (age 41) - CA 177/190
Stamina 13
NHL 38GP 18W 2.39 GAA 7.66AvR
NHL 60GP 27W 2.45GAA 7.73AvR
NHL 65GP 42W 1.98GAA 7.97AvR

Nicklas Bäckström – 2028 (age 41)
Can’t find him ingame on June 27th 2028

Braden Holtby – 2028 (age 39)
Can’t find him ingame on June 27th 2028

Anže Kopitar – 2028 (age 41) - CA 156/172
Skating 6-6-6-8 Stamina 7
KHL 58GP 35PTS 7.76AvR
NHL 69GP 14PTS 6.77AvR
NHL 68GP 21PTS 6.62AvR

Steven Stamkos – 2028 (age 38)
Can’t find him ingame on June 27th 2028

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:04 am**

March 2016 - Regen Testing

nino33 wrote:Here is the results of my most recent regen quality testing (since the release of version 1.1)
As always, testing was done with all Leagues on Enhanced and Full database/Full Detail
Previous testing results from January 2016 were with version 1.0

I've got three tests saves with additional fictional Players-Staff-Juniors "added" at start-up
and I've got a fourth test save started without additional/fictional Players-Staff-Juniors "added" at start-up

As before, to make sorting/compiling the data easier I used Birth Year rather than Draft Year.
Across the top is the Birth Year and then the player age, down the left column is the PA distribution (from 100-200 in blocks of 10)..

Test 1 2015-STARTUP Players-Staff-Juniors "added"
BIRTH YEAR 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995

PLAYER AGE 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20

190-200 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 1 0 1 3 3 0 0 0 0 2

170-179 3 3 2 2 4 3 4 5 6 5

160-169 4 7 3 9 7 5 5 4 9 5

150-159 9 15 14 13 14 12 10 11 10 11

140-149 16 20 14 14 22 20 21 18 14 9

130-139 35 39 42 33 43 64 53 40 34 37

120-129 44 46 48 41 51 44 88 61 57 61

110-119 60 58 68 62 70 83 92 89 96 72

100-109 116 77 72 67 94 95 126 100 112 82

BIRTH YEAR 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005

PLAYER AGE 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15 13-14 12-13 11-12 10-11 9-10

190-200 1 1 3 1 5 3 3 0 1 0

180-189 1 2 3 2 10 6 2 0 1 0

170-179 5 4 7 9 17 23 6 2 6 4

160-169 4 9 11 7 12 11 5 0 5 2

150-159 15 18 15 21 45 37 21 5 10 4

140-149 10 9 23 15 29 39 13 2 9 2

130-139 26 31 38 36 90 108 25 11 31 15

120-129 55 58 79 88 118 142 34 16 23 14

110-119 59 85 108 117 220 250 67 14 34 19

100-109 68 83 80 123 256 247 65 18 22 10
Test 1 2023
BIRTH YEAR 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008

PLAYER AGE 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15

190-200 1 5 3 3 0 1 0 0 0 0

180-189 2 10 6 2 0 1 1 0 0 0

170-179 9 17 23 7 1 4 4 0 0 0

160-169 7 12 11 7 2 4 6 1 3 2

150-159 21 46 38 23 14 8 9 3 5 2

140-149 15 30 43 16 7 12 14 7 8 1

130-139 34 90 121 45 24 34 41 24 20 4

120-129 84 144 169 66 54 38 57 42 33 8

110-119 102 200 251 126 83 94 103 75 87 36

100-109 92 250 296 165 103 89 93 113 123 35

BIRTH YEAR 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998

PLAYER AGE 33-34 32-33 31-32 30-31 29-30 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25

190-200 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 3

180-189 2 3 0 0 0 0 2 1 2 3

170-179 2 4 3 4 5 6 5 5 4 7

160-169 9 7 5 5 4 9 5 4 9 11

150-159 13 14 12 10 10 10 11 15 18 15

140-149 13 22 20 21 17 14 9 10 8 23

130-139 32 43 63 50 39 32 37 26 31 38

120-129 39 49 42 80 52 55 58 54 55 73

110-119 60 69 77 77 74 89 68 56 73 95

100-109 50 84 85 98 83 95 68 64 73 70

Test 1 2033
BIRTH YEAR 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009

PLAYER AGE 33-34 32-33 31-32 30-31 29-30 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25

190-200 5 3 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 10 6 2 0 1 1 0 0 1 1

170-179 17 23 7 1 4 4 0 0 3 5

160-169 12 11 7 2 4 6 1 6 9 4

150-159 45 37 23 14 8 9 3 7 12 6

140-149 30 43 16 7 12 14 7 13 16 19

130-139 84 117 44 24 34 41 24 32 43 41

120-129 136 158 61 54 38 57 42 53 54 50

110-119 171 195 93 73 85 99 65 104 121 91

100-109 217 228 121 88 80 82 102 139 123 110

BIRTH YEAR 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019

PLAYER AGE 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15

190-200 0 0 2 0 1 0 1 0 0 0

180-189 2 0 1 1 1 3 1 0 0 0

170-179 1 2 1 2 4 5 2 2 4 1

160-169 4 5 6 4 7 3 3 4 5 1

150-159 10 8 21 9 7 19 12 12 16 2

140-149 11 15 14 21 19 18 14 17 13 0

130-139 40 40 40 62 56 46 55 40 20 4

120-129 48 37 64 68 69 74 45 67 33 8

110-119 76 96 95 103 100 107 102 89 49 12

100-109 92 91 122 107 130 121 117 76 43 20

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:05 am**

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nino33 wrote:Test 2 2015-STARTUP Players-Staff-Juniors "added"

BIRTH YEAR 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995

PLAYER AGE 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20

190-200 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 1 0 1 3 3 0 0 1 2 0

170-179 3 3 2 2 4 3 3 2 3 4

160-169 4 7 3 8 7 6 8 1 5 7

150-159 9 14 15 13 16 13 14 14 13 21

140-149 16 20 14 15 21 18 19 22 11 12

130-139 35 40 43 37 42 60 54 38 38 35

120-129 44 47 46 37 52 46 67 65 60 58

110-119 61 56 72 69 72 84 102 76 94 75

100-109 110 71 74 63 92 102 126 108 109 80

BIRTH YEAR 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005

PLAYER AGE 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15 13-14 12-13 11-12 10-11 9-10

190-200 0 2 4 4 5 2 4 0 0 1

180-189 3 3 3 4 9 7 2 1 2 0

170-179 4 4 7 8 17 29 5 1 1 2

160-169 7 7 4 8 17 17 9 0 2 3

150-159 20 20 22 13 39 35 11 5 3 4

140-149 14 14 20 15 27 40 7 3 1 2

130-139 25 30 45 36 86 85 41 13 7 11

120-129 61 52 84 79 122 147 25 11 19 13

110-119 63 82 101 128 215 214 80 26 19 29

100-109 57 83 76 133 235 266 66 16 15 14

Test 2 2025

BIRTH YEAR 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010

PLAYER AGE 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15

190-200 2 4 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0

180-189 7 2 1 2 0 1 0 0 1 0

170-179 29 5 1 2 2 1 0 1 1 2

160-169 17 11 2 3 6 2 9 7 2 0

150-159 36 15 8 10 9 5 9 6 2 0

140-149 43 12 12 3 8 10 15 10 9 1

130-139 94 60 27 28 45 26 35 35 18 7

120-129 161 70 48 53 59 38 58 54 24 8

110-119 209 127 82 108 89 85 128 138 57 14

100-109 257 144 90 98 105 127 185 160 75 22

BIRTH YEAR 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000

PLAYER AGE 33-34 32-33 31-32 30-31 29-30 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25

190-200 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 4 4 4

180-189 0 0 1 2 0 3 3 3 4 9

170-179 3 3 1 3 4 4 4 7 8 18

160-169 6 8 1 5 7 7 7 4 8 17

150-159 12 14 14 13 21 20 20 22 13 40

140-149 18 18 21 11 12 14 13 20 15 28

130-139 59 52 36 35 34 25 28 43 35 87

120-129 42 60 59 58 54 58 46 79 76 143

110-119 82 84 59 79 65 60 72 89 102 201

100-109 84 90 86 80 67 49 61 56 97 236

Test 2 2035

BIRTH YEAR 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011

PLAYER AGE 33-34 32-33 31-32 30-31 29-30 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25

190-200 4 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0

180-189 2 1 2 0 1 0 0 2 1 0

170-179 5 1 2 2 1 0 1 2 5 2

160-169 11 2 3 6 2 9 7 2 4 4

150-159 15 8 10 9 5 9 6 7 10 12

140-149 12 12 3 8 10 15 10 14 12 16

130-139 58 27 28 45 26 35 35 41 40 44

120-129 66 46 51 58 35 56 53 44 44 46

110-119 104 68 93 80 72 100 112 83 88 85

100-109 119 80 80 83 111 136 123 108 84 101

BIRTH YEAR 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021

PLAYER AGE 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15

190-200 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0

180-189 0 1 3 1 2 2 0 0 0 0

170-179 2 4 3 2 2 0 1 6 0 0

160-169 6 8 8 4 6 2 7 2 1 0

150-159 9 15 17 15 20 15 17 14 2 0

140-149 18 16 19 19 19 22 15 6 1 0

130-139 42 61 56 52 49 29 39 17 4 0

120-129 53 63 67 63 65 53 51 42 13 1

110-119 104 104 98 109 92 98 83 45 35 11

100-109 100 111 119 114 106 100 90 64 44 12

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:07 am**

nino33 wrote:Anyone else notice (if "add players/juniors" is selected) the large number of "Top" players the game adds now?

The original test (in January) did not have added players/juniors
The original test showed birth years 2000-2010 resulted in
- 0 players with a 190-200 PA
- 1 players with a 180-189 PA
- 8 players with a 170-179 PA

The first test above (with players/juniors added) shows
- 12 players with a 190-200 PA
- 24 players with a 180-189 PA
- 65 players with a 170-179 PA

The second test above (with players/juniors added) shows
- 13 players with a 190-200 PA
- 23 players with a 180-189 PA
- 61 players with a 170-179 PA

This high number of 170-200 PA players over an eleven year span (101 in test one, 97 in test two) is not seen in the players aged 18-29 at start-up (57 players) nor is it seen in the years that follow 2010 (only 35 such players in test two)

For a decade or so it seems generational talent has now become yearly talent!

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:08 am**

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nino33 wrote:Greetings!

Here are the rest of my test results...three more tests, one more with players/staff "added" and then two tests with players/staff "not added"

Test 3 2015-STARTUP Players-Staff-Juniors "added"
BIRTH YEAR 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005

PLAYER AGE 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15 13-14 12-13 11-12 10-11 9-10

190-200 1 3 0 1 3 5 2 1 2 0

180-189 0 1 1 4 7 6 7 0 0 1

170-179 2 4 8 5 23 20 10 1 5 3

160-169 6 4 8 5 16 14 3 1 1 0

150-159 10 23 28 27 33 48 16 6 5 6

140-149 13 11 17 15 18 33 8 4 4 4

130-139 36 31 30 47 80 82 25 6 12 4

120-129 47 69 78 77 122 156 39 13 9 20

110-119 70 93 111 104 212 303 81 16 26 21

100-109 71 77 107 126 240 267 64 13 20 16
BIRTH YEAR 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995

PLAYER AGE 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20

190-200 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 1 0 1 3 3 0 0 1 0 1

170-179 3 2 2 2 4 3 3 3 5 4

160-169 4 7 3 8 7 5 7 3 2 3

150-159 9 14 15 14 15 10 15 14 20 16

140-149 16 19 14 13 20 17 23 17 10 12

130-139 35 42 44 34 48 65 47 48 39 41

120-129 44 46 47 36 48 48 76 55 70 50

110-119 61 55 75 66 84 93 104 87 90 79

100-109 112 76 79 66 88 94 126 112 99 86

Test 3 2025
BIRTH YEAR 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010

PLAYER AGE 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15

190-200 5 2 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 6 7 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0

170-179 20 10 1 5 3 0 2 0 2 0

160-169 14 4 5 2 1 1 6 3 3 4

150-159 48 18 12 13 7 3 8 6 3 2

140-149 36 14 9 9 13 12 13 13 11 3

130-139 85 49 18 33 22 29 44 32 17 6

120-129 175 81 41 48 60 40 60 52 15 12

110-119 246 125 86 102 97 92 171 143 81 19

100-109 255 129 88 94 122 132 171 175 69 18

BIRTH YEAR 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000

PLAYER AGE 33-34 32-33 31-32 30-31 29-30 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25

190-200 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 0 1 3

180-189 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 1 4 7

170-179 3 3 3 5 4 3 4 8 5 23

160-169 5 7 2 2 3 6 4 8 5 17

150-159 10 15 14 20 16 10 23 28 27 34

140-149 16 23 17 10 12 13 11 16 15 18

130-139 65 46 47 39 41 35 31 30 47 86

120-129 46 62 47 64 47 47 61 76 72 139

110-119 76 78 70 76 72 66 77 90 88 187

100-109 77 94 86 85 77 66 64 81 90 235

Test 3 2035
BIRTH YEAR 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021

PLAYER AGE 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15

190-200 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0

180-189 0 3 2 2 0 1 1 0 0 0

170-179 0 2 4 3 2 5 5 1 0 0

160-169 5 7 11 2 6 4 4 2 1 0

150-159 15 10 18 15 18 17 14 13 2 0

140-149 15 18 14 18 19 22 16 8 1 0

130-139 48 43 82 60 52 40 35 18 7 1

120-129 38 61 65 72 54 53 53 35 14 1

110-119 106 101 97 98 100 92 91 55 35 8

100-109 102 115 141 146 110 90 109 58 40 8

BIRTH YEAR 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011

PLAYER AGE 33-34 32-33 31-32 30-31 29-30 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25

190-200 2 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 7 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 1

170-179 10 1 6 3 0 2 0 2 5 5

160-169 4 5 2 1 1 6 3 4 11 3

150-159 18 12 13 7 3 8 6 8 14 12

140-149 14 9 9 13 12 13 13 17 10 13

130-139 48 18 33 22 29 44 32 41 30 39

120-129 76 41 46 59 39 57 52 35 58 54

110-119 100 72 95 80 83 137 118 109 87 99

100-109 102 75 82 108 103 115 137 106 85 89

Test 3 2045
BIRTH YEAR 2022 2023 2024 2025 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 2031

PLAYER AGE 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15 13-14

190-200 0 0 2 1 2 4 2 3 1 0

180-189 0 1 1 5 2 6 4 4 3 0

170-179 6 6 15 10 9 10 7 4 0 0

160-169 6 3 8 10 5 12 5 0 2 0

150-159 25 33 25 26 21 20 17 7 0 0

140-149 16 9 20 15 16 19 16 5 5 0

130-139 48 53 42 46 34 43 28 14 6 0

120-129 100 96 97 94 43 56 56 34 13 0

110-119 136 152 116 105 104 119 113 81 36 11

100-109 147 134 121 113 140 116 122 84 43 7

BIRTH YEAR 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021

PLAYER AGE 32-33 31-32 30-31 29-30 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25 23-24

190-200 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1

180-189 0 3 2 2 0 1 1 0 0 0

170-179 0 2 4 3 2 5 5 3 3 5

160-169 5 7 11 2 6 4 4 4 4 6

150-159 15 10 18 15 18 17 14 20 12 18

140-149 15 18 14 18 19 21 16 9 11 18

130-139 48 43 82 58 51 39 35 40 44 43

120-129 37 59 64 69 54 53 52 59 73 87

110-119 97 80 78 78 86 85 81 112 126 145

100-109 85 97 113 118 92 81 97 95 146 168

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:09 am**

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nino33 wrote:Here's the first test without any of the "add" boxes checked...

Test 4 2015-STARTUP Players-Staff-Juniors "not added"
BIRTH YEAR 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005

PLAYER AGE 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15 13-14 12-13 11-12 10-11 9-10

190-200 0 0 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 3

180-189 2 3 4 2 1 2 4 1 1 1

170-179 3 6 3 4 8 11 2 2 1 1

160-169 6 5 9 1 9 8 2 2 1 0

150-159 12 18 21 10 13 15 7 8 6 8

140-149 9 13 16 9 10 13 2 3 4 4

130-139 28 28 27 23 28 31 13 7 10 10

120-129 49 53 63 56 61 48 19 9 19 14

110-119 78 67 74 63 77 95 21 24 22 17

100-109 75 65 56 76 91 83 26 12 12 21

BIRTH YEAR 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995

PLAYER AGE 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20

190-200 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 1 0 1 3 3 0 0 0 1 2

170-179 3 3 2 2 4 3 2 2 6 2

160-169 4 7 3 8 7 5 10 5 2 4

150-159 9 14 15 13 14 12 20 13 18 17

140-149 16 19 14 15 23 18 13 19 14 7

130-139 35 42 44 35 44 59 55 43 43 46

120-129 44 47 47 39 53 43 89 60 63 57

110-119 62 54 72 61 77 91 112 90 72 80

100-109 108 71 78 78 89 93 118 96 101 78

Test 4 2025 Players-Staff-Juniors "not added"
BIRTH YEAR 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010

PLAYER AGE 24-25 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16

190-200 2 1 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 2 4 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 1

170-179 11 2 2 1 3 0 0 3 0 0

160-169 7 4 5 2 2 4 2 2 7 1

150-159 18 9 12 12 16 2 1 11 4 3

140-149 15 5 9 10 10 7 12 19 6 1

130-139 45 30 30 29 31 27 25 34 22 3

120-129 81 68 29 50 64 45 45 30 24 3

110-119 139 82 88 110 74 68 96 75 43 3

100-109 158 117 84 93 126 96 90 123 39 10
BIRTH YEAR 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000

PLAYER AGE 34-35 33-34 32-33 31-32 30-31 29-30 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26

190-200 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1

180-189 0 0 0 1 2 2 3 4 2 1

170-179 3 2 2 6 2 3 6 3 4 8

160-169 5 10 5 2 4 6 5 9 1 9

150-159 12 20 12 18 17 12 18 21 10 13

140-149 18 13 19 14 7 9 13 16 9 11

130-139 58 54 42 43 45 28 27 26 23 37

120-129 42 72 52 57 57 48 51 62 56 85

110-119 84 95 75 66 73 68 58 64 56 107

100-109 80 92 73 84 68 68 49 42 67 143
BIRTH YEAR 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990

PLAYER AGE 42-43 41-42 40-41 39-40 38-39 37-38 36-37 35-36

190-200 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0

180-189 0 0 0 1 0 1 3 3

170-179 0 0 3 2 3 2 2 4

160-169 0 2 2 4 6 3 8 7

150-159 1 4 6 4 12 14 13 14

140-149 3 3 8 14 13 13 14 23

130-139 0 5 5 21 25 38 32 43

120-129 0 1 8 21 35 35 37 51

110-119 0 0 0 8 12 43 50 74

100-109 0 0 1 3 12 42 60 68
41 year old Brent Seabrook at 127CA/160PA playing for EC Red Bulls Salzburg & 40 year old Corey Perry at 127CA/172PA playing for HC VERVA Litvinov

Test 4 2035 Players-Staff-Juniors " not added"
BIRTH YEAR 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021

PLAYER AGE 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15

190-200 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 1 0 3 1 0 0 2 1 0 0

170-179 3 2 2 1 3 2 3 1 0 0

160-169 7 5 3 4 7 5 8 4 0 0

150-159 11 9 14 18 14 18 13 12 3 0

140-149 19 12 16 15 18 21 14 10 2 0

130-139 38 46 49 52 61 34 36 15 4 0

120-129 54 49 63 59 68 49 50 20 8 0

110-119 94 80 80 92 85 79 71 29 17 0

100-109 89 90 102 87 81 78 71 33 16 2
BIRTH YEAR 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011

PLAYER AGE 33-34 32-33 31-32 30-31 29-30 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25

190-200 1 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 4 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 1

170-179 2 2 1 3 0 0 3 0 2 3

160-169 4 5 2 2 4 2 2 8 5 6

150-159 9 12 12 16 2 1 11 10 13 16

140-149 5 9 10 10 7 12 19 12 9 17

130-139 30 30 29 31 27 25 34 41 38 42

120-129 66 29 49 63 44 45 29 46 40 49

110-119 76 83 105 69 64 92 65 70 63 103

100-109 102 77 90 112 88 82 112 82 72 82
BIRTH YEAR 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001

PLAYER AGE 43-44 42-43 41-42 40-41 39-40 38-39 37-38 36-37 35-36 34-35

190-200 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 2

180-189 0 0 1 2 1 3 4 2 1 2

170-179 0 2 6 2 2 6 3 4 8 11

160-169 1 1 2 2 6 4 8 1 9 7

150-159 0 2 5 5 7 15 21 10 13 17

140-149 1 2 6 5 6 9 13 9 11 15

130-139 0 0 1 10 13 18 23 22 37 44

120-129 0 0 4 10 16 35 55 53 81 80

110-119 0 0 0 2 2 12 28 42 91 120

100-109 0 0 1 1 7 14 18 48 126 134

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:11 am**

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nino33 wrote:And here's the final test results...

Test 5 2015-STARTUP Players-Staff-Juniors "not added"
BIRTH YEAR 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005

PLAYER AGE 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15 13-14 12-13 11-12 10-11 9-10

190-200 2 1 0 1 0 5 1 2 1 0

180-189 3 1 3 1 3 3 0 0 0 0

170-179 3 2 5 3 11 4 1 1 0 4

160-169 3 8 11 2 5 4 2 1 3 1

150-159 20 17 13 13 22 12 8 1 8 8

140-149 9 14 18 12 13 12 5 3 4 1

130-139 33 28 26 25 31 39 19 9 7 8

120-129 52 57 62 47 63 57 18 17 14 16

110-119 59 78 82 69 110 85 36 22 30 17

100-109 56 68 68 64 104 86 21 10 11 10
BIRTH YEAR 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995

PLAYER AGE 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20

190-200 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 1 0 1 3 3 0 0 0 1 1

170-179 3 3 2 2 4 3 3 1 5 3

160-169 4 8 3 8 7 5 5 3 9 3

150-159 9 14 15 13 15 12 12 17 10 23

140-149 16 19 15 14 19 19 21 13 15 11

130-139 35 40 41 31 44 60 43 50 46 37

120-129 44 49 45 37 51 46 84 61 51 46

110-119 60 55 68 67 81 91 122 97 100 88

100-109 113 68 83 72 87 103 120 101 108 68

Test 5 2025 Players-Staff-Juniors "not added"
BIRTH YEAR 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010

PLAYER AGE 24-25 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16

190-200 5 1 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 0

180-189 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0

170-179 4 1 1 1 4 1 0 0 0 0

160-169 4 4 2 6 3 2 4 3 5 0

150-159 13 11 4 12 17 3 6 7 6 3

140-149 14 8 9 8 9 13 8 14 7 0

130-139 54 37 28 22 27 32 28 42 14 10

120-129 81 64 53 38 59 42 42 33 27 6

110-119 129 112 84 95 96 78 92 84 32 11

100-109 166 116 91 105 100 94 112 110 39 8

BIRTH YEAR 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000

PLAYER AGE 34-35 33-34 32-33 31-32 30-31 29-30 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26

190-200 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 1 0

180-189 0 0 0 1 1 3 1 3 1 3

170-179 3 3 1 5 3 3 2 5 3 11

160-169 5 5 3 9 3 3 8 11 2 5

150-159 12 11 16 10 23 20 17 13 13 23

140-149 19 21 13 15 11 9 14 18 12 15

130-139 59 41 48 46 37 33 28 26 25 36

120-129 41 78 55 46 41 52 57 61 47 88

110-119 84 100 84 86 82 55 69 70 55 135

100-109 82 89 70 86 61 50 54 54 55 164
BIRTH YEAR 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990

PLAYER AGE 42-43 41-42 40-41 39-40 38-39 37-38 36-37 35-36

190-200 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0

180-189 1 0 1 1 0 1 2 3

170-179 0 0 5 2 3 2 2 4

160-169 0 0 3 4 8 3 8 7

150-159 0 2 7 6 12 13 13 15

140-149 3 3 7 10 17 15 14 19

130-139 1 1 6 19 22 37 31 41

120-129 0 1 12 19 30 39 36 48

110-119 0 0 1 6 11 38 60 66

100-109 0 0 2 5 10 43 53 65

nino33 wrote:Test 5 2035 Players-Staff-Juniors "not added"
BIRTH YEAR 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021

PLAYER AGE 23-24 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15

190-200 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

180-189 0 0 2 1 3 0 0 0 0 0

170-179 3 2 0 2 5 4 3 1 0 0

160-169 2 4 8 4 4 8 0 5 0 0

150-159 10 10 20 14 19 14 15 8 2 0

140-149 15 12 17 16 25 15 13 12 0 0

130-139 45 45 58 58 45 41 35 18 5 0

120-129 46 54 61 52 47 52 54 29 4 0

110-119 94 91 88 90 102 79 76 33 16 3

100-109 87 84 96 102 84 64 68 43 15 3
BIRTH YEAR 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011

PLAYER AGE 33-34 32-33 31-32 30-31 29-30 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25

190-200 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0

180-189 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 3 0

170-179 1 1 1 4 1 0 0 0 3 5

160-169 4 2 6 3 2 4 4 6 5 5

150-159 11 4 12 17 3 6 7 9 16 11

140-149 8 9 8 9 13 8 14 14 9 22

130-139 37 28 22 27 31 28 42 28 34 36

120-129 64 53 38 55 42 42 33 51 45 49

110-119 102 77 89 89 75 84 78 58 89 85

100-109 103 81 92 90 87 94 98 88 67 79
BIRTH YEAR 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001

PLAYER AGE 43-44 42-43 41-42 40-41 39-40 38-39 37-38 36-37 35-36 34-35

190-200 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 1 0 5

180-189 0 0 1 1 3 1 3 1 3 3

170-179 0 0 3 3 3 2 5 3 11 4

160-169 1 1 7 3 3 8 11 2 5 4

150-159 0 0 2 8 14 15 12 13 23 13

140-149 0 2 7 3 4 13 17 12 15 13

130-139 0 0 1 6 12 14 20 25 35 53

120-129 0 0 4 9 24 34 50 44 86 78

110-119 0 0 0 2 5 13 31 46 105 112

100-109 0 0 0 1 0 10 23 45 139 140

Test 5 2045 Players-Staff-Juniors "not added"
BIRTH YEAR 2022 2023 2024 2025 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 2031

PLAYER AGE 22-23 21-22 20-21 19-20 18-19 17-18 16-17 15-16 14-15 13-14

190-200 0 0 1 0 3 2 0 0 1 0

180-189 3 2 1 4 1 1 1 1 0 0

170-179 2 4 8 5 3 4 2 0 1 0

160-169 4 5 2 6 3 4 5 1 1 0

150-159 29 13 14 12 13 9 9 4 2 0

140-149 17 9 17 13 5 11 10 7 2 0

130-139 32 30 48 34 31 27 23 14 5 0

120-129 61 58 58 58 57 60 51 31 7 0

110-119 85 111 106 90 92 83 95 41 15 3

100-109 112 105 112 100 100 94 88 52 20 4
BIRTH YEAR 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021

PLAYER AGE 32-33 31-32 30-31 29-30 28-29 27-28 26-27 25-26 24-25 23-24

190-200 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0

180-189 0 0 2 1 3 0 0 0 0 1

170-179 3 2 0 2 5 4 3 3 3 3

160-169 2 4 8 4 4 8 0 10 14 4

150-159 10 10 20 14 19 14 15 13 20 6

140-149 15 12 17 16 25 15 13 15 15 9

130-139 45 45 57 58 44 40 35 27 26 27

120-129 44 54 61 52 47 52 54 59 45 70

110-119 90 81 82 81 96 77 74 66 97 109

100-109 82 75 86 88 75 60 64 61 99 140
BIRTH YEAR 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011

PLAYER AGE 43 42-43 41-42 40-41 39-40 38-39 37-38 36-37 35-36 34-35 33-34

190-200 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0

180-189 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 3 0

170-179 0 0 0 1 3 1 0 0 0 3 5

160-169 0 1 1 2 2 2 4 4 6 5 5

150-159 0 0 0 5 10 2 3 6 9 16 11

140-149 0 0 1 4 5 8 6 13 14 9 22

130-139 0 0 1 2 9 19 19 36 28 33 36

120-129 0 0 0 3 15 14 19 28 49 45 49

110-119 0 0 0 0 2 7 11 36 49 73 76

100-109 0 0 0 1 7 9 23 41 78 54 68

nino33 wrote:
nino33 wrote:The original test did not have added players/juniors http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 26&t=15860
The original test showed birth years 2000-2010 resulted in
- 0 players with a 190-200 PA
- 1 players with a 180-189 PA
- 8 players with a 170-179 PA
NOTE the original test was done with 1.0, the five tests below with 1.1

And now the most recent five tests.....
Test 1 (with players/juniors added) shows
- 12 players with a 190-200 PA
- 24 players with a 180-189 PA
- 65 players with a 170-179 PA

Test 2 (with players/juniors added) shows
- 13 players with a 190-200 PA
- 23 players with a 180-189 PA
- 61 players with a 170-179 PA
Test 3 (with players/juniors added) shows
- 13 players with a 190-200 PA
- 24 players with a 180-189 PA
- 66 players with a 170-179 PA

Test 4 (without players/juniors added) shows
- 10 players with a 190-200 PA
- 13 players with a 180-189 PA
- 30 players with a 170-179 PA

Test 5 (without players/juniors added) shows
- 10 players with a 190-200 PA
- 8 players with a 180-189 PA
- 23 players with a 170-179 PA

nino33 wrote:This high number of 170-200 PA players over an eleven year span (101 in test one, 97 in test two) is not seen in the players aged 18-29 at start-up (57 players) nor is it seen in the years that follow 2010 (only 35 such players in test two)
The most recent testing shows similar results, the initial influx of talent is not repeated (and also, it seems that the PAs are recycled/reused for "regens" as they were in EHM07)

It seems choosing "not" to add players/juniors still adds some, just not as many.....
Maybe it's just adding juniors that does this, and not players too, I'm not sure...

nino33 wrote:For a decade or so it seems generational talent has now become yearly talent!
This is most definitely the case!

A couple others things I sorta noticed but didn't look into further (lack of time).....I noticed an old Corey Perry playing overseas at a CA level below the NHL average and thought "I can see it for Europeans/Russians, but I don't think North American former NHL stars/superstars are going to play in Europe/Russia in their old age).....

And I noticed the "excessive quality" of some of the old guys in test 5 - in 2045 41 year old Finn Petteri Pennanen has a CA/PA of 198/200, 40 year old Czech Simon Vejvoda has a CA/PA of 198/198, 43 year old American Timmy Aiken has a CA/PA of 180/196, 43 year old American Jason Richards has a CA/PA of 180/180, 39 year old Czech Marco Senkerík has a CA/PA of 175/175, etc (not all the old guys with high PAs still have high CAs, but many do...but 42 year old Canadian has a CA/PA of 149/197, 39 year old American Aran Gorowsky has a CA/PA of 136/172, etc)

RIZ - It seems all players retire by age 43 (no chance for a Chris Chelios or Gordie Howe it seems).....is this intended?

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:21 am**

July 2016 - Regen Testing

I've got two tests going right now
- one with no players/staff added at start-up
- one with all possible "add players/staff" chosen at start-up

But the numbers seem odd to me...the test with no one added has 50,163 players and the test with all players added has only 52,154 players - I expected the test with all players added to have more than 1991 players added, but perhaps not...
EDIT - I was never comfortable with this weirdness, and have found out that the data had not exported properly and/or wasn't "cleaned up" (by me) properly.....and after many hours today I've found/fixed the issues! The EHM Assistant is a fabulous tool, and I'm so thankful to have it for testing, but there's issues with the exporting [some things cause the columns to not line up properly (for example, players whose name includes Jr. & the team name Saint-Georges COOL FM 103.5), and sometimes it seems columns are overwritten, and other similar oddities (the four columns of Club Playing-Division Playing-Club Contracted-Division Contracted seem to cause issues sometimes and result in columns getting mixed up)].....it sure adds to the effort required!...another example, the column for DOB shows Birth Year but if you scroll down it also shows actual full DOBs and so you have to use a Text Search of "Contains" the Birth Year you want, you can't just select the Birth Year

The player numbers oddity is no more, as "no one added" has 40,607 (not 50,163) and "all players added" was/is correct at 52,154

I'll probably run another test or two in the future (at least one with added players), but it takes about two weeks of around the clock simming to sim 20+ years into the future, so it won't be happening anytime soon! Currently one save is in September 2018 and the other in December 2019
I've got the "all players added" save up to 2025, and the "no one added" is now in 2024, so the plan is once I get the "no players added" startup (2015) data compiled/posted I'll get to compiling/posting the 2025 data soon after (and thanks to Primis, who's helping out by running a "Add Junior Players" test!)

I'm also looking at more than just player PA now!...I'm looking at CA too & I'm looking at PA by Nation too

Here's the initial/start-up results (As always, testing was done with all Leagues on Enhanced and Full database/Full Detail)...

Test 1 at startup - no players/staff added
Deleted to be reviewed/corrected, to be reposted soon

Test 2 at startup - players/staff added
Deleted/reviewed to ensure accuracy, to be reposted right away!

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:27 pm**

Utmost respect for the research you are doing! It is a very interresting read and will most liekly change my contract negotiation tactics in-game, especially regarding older players.

Posted: **Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:54 pm**

Wow! Fantastic research here, Nino. It certainly shows very clearly some areas that require attention/tweaking.

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:29 pm**

I feel like skating should have a bigger impact on CA...I think this would help "deteriorate" star players when they get older more effectively. The bottom line in the NHL, at least, is if your skating falls below a certain point - your other attributes become relatively moot. If you can't keep up with the speed of play (and aren't one of those very rare man-mountain players or an enforcer) - you're going to be of extremely little value. You may still be able to throw a big check, you may still be able shoot really, really hard but if you can't move at NHL speed - you'll have a hard time staying in the game.

In that regard - the deterioration of the skating attributes actually seems really accurate, it appears in many cases it's just not accompanied by a significant decrease in CA...which leads to 42 year-old former stars still retaining high CA and top roles on teams despite skating ratings in the 3, 4, 5 range. And you still have, IMO, team rosters with an average age that is way to high. I think if you compare the average age of an NHL team (probably in the 26-27 range...just guessing) to the average EHM NHL squad age say 10 years into the game, you'll find it much higher. Loaded with 30+ year-olds seemingly. Nino - I'm sure you may have looked at that. The other thing that star players that don't have declining CA does is it makes it hard for younger players with high PA and developing CA to obtain important (scoring line) roles on teams. So then these younger guys end up developing with high CA but really low statistical output until much later in their careers. At least I have noticed this...

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:45 pm**

To broaden the discussion a bit...I feel like the game would be improved if there was a way to make the skating attributes and mental attributes (anticipation, decision making, determination) have a higher net value in the CA. IMO, whether you are a young prospect or an aging star, these are the fundamental attributes that will have a disproportionate affect on your ability to progress (or stay in) the game of hockey.

Or...going off into fantasy land here...but what would be ideal is to be able to tailor important attribute levels for each league. So for the NHL, for example, if you had skating attributes less than oh say, just spit-balling, an '8' - despite having a great skill set, the game would limit your ability to have an impact and the CPU GM's would recognize this keep you lower on the depth chart. It could also make attributes like bravery and balance (attributes that let you withstand rough, physical NHL play) important while over in a European league, less emphasis would be placed on those and more on the skating attributes for the larger rink sizes.

This would allow a guy like say Brad Kozun or Linus Omark - too small and finesse oriented to make an NHL impact but in actuality, much more skilled than a lot of NHL'ers - to be rated accurately but still be a long-shot to be effective in the NHL.

It would also allow a prospect like Sean Day, who is a fantastic skater, has great size and physical tools but poor decision making - to have a high PA but only a small chance to make an NHL impact unless his mental attributes develop.

Again - I know this is fantasy land stuff at the moment but it is the kind of customization that would make for a much more intricate and realistic game!

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:54 pm**

BKarchitect wrote: I think if you compare the average age of an NHL team (probably in the 26-27 range...just guessing) to the average EHM NHL squad age say 10 years into the game, you'll find it much higher. Loaded with 30+ year-olds seemingly.

I think that you're underrating the effect the reputation has in the game. I think that, while it has improved since 07 and since the early EA stage, players gain reputation but don't lose it as quick enough in most of cases.

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:29 pm**

BKarchitect wrote:Linus Omark - too small and finesse oriented to make an NHL impact but in actuality, much more skilled than a lot of NHL'ers - to be rated accurately but still be a long-shot to be effective in the NHL.

IMO your assessment of his talent is way off
If the NHL game was as slow as it is in Europe/Russia, with as little physical contact/defense played, you'd be surprised how many NHLers are as talented as Omark

When the game is much faster, with less time to react, Omark not only can't show his talent but can't play the (defensive) NHL game either

3rd and 4th line NHLers can look amazing in practice, but can't do the same things offensively when the game is much faster and people are actually playing defense/checking

To me the KHL (which I've watched for a few years now) looks more like ringette than hockey
I'm not saying it's better or worse as entertainment (better probably), but they're not even the same game (3rd/4th line NHLers can be top scorers in the KHL! in fact a guy who couldn't produce in the AHL has the KHL most goals in a season record.....the bigger ice and style of play makes the speed of the game in the offensive zone as slow or slower than an NHL practice)

The general idea that Europeans/Russians have "skill/talent" and North Americans don't is simply not true IMO
And there are players that are "to small/finesse" players in the NHL now! Omark was simply wasn't good enough to do what he does quick enough to be an NHL player, so he's not one of them

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:33 pm**

Alessandro wrote:
BKarchitect wrote: I think if you compare the average age of an NHL team (probably in the 26-27 range...just guessing) to the average EHM NHL squad age say 10 years into the game, you'll find it much higher. Loaded with 30+ year-olds seemingly.
I think that you're underrating the effect the reputation has in the game. I think that, while it has improved since 07 and since the early EA stage, players gain reputation but don't lose it as quick enough in most of cases.

Anyone that wants to could easily look into this with the EHM Assistant

and then we'd have data/facts

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:56 pm**

nino33 wrote: in fact a guy who couldn't produce in the AHL has the KHL most goals in a season record....

There are also many examples who go in the opposite direction...
Have a look at stats of lockout players in the KHL... Jeoffrey Lupul, Evander Kane, even goalies as Pekka Rinne were embarrassing...
But I guess the euro vs NA players is an endless argument. And adaptation really plays a big role

Posted: **Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:57 pm**

nino33 wrote:
Alessandro wrote:
BKarchitect wrote: I think if you compare the average age of an NHL team (probably in the 26-27 range...just guessing) to the average EHM NHL squad age say 10 years into the game, you'll find it much higher. Loaded with 30+ year-olds seemingly.
I think that you're underrating the effect the reputation has in the game. I think that, while it has improved since 07 and since the early EA stage, players gain reputation but don't lose it as quick enough in most of cases.
Anyone that wants to could easily look into this with the EHM Assistant and then we'd have data/facts

Well, just open a saved game and you'll see that average age is around 30 years in most leagues, especially after 4-5 seasons...

Posted: **Thu Jul 14, 2016 3:10 am**

Alessandro wrote:Well, just open a saved game and you'll see that average age is around 30 years in most leagues, especially after 4-5 seasons...

The idea was maybe someone else would for a change

Posted: **Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:07 am**

Alessandro wrote:
nino33 wrote: in fact a guy who couldn't produce in the AHL has the KHL most goals in a season record....
There are also many examples who go in the opposite direction...
Have a look at stats of lockout players in the KHL... Jeoffrey Lupul, Evander Kane, even goalies as Pekka Rinne were embarrassing...
But I guess the euro vs NA players is an endless argument. And adaptation really plays a big role

I wasn't comparing European/Russian players with North American players.
I was comparing "Leagues" (play styles) and pointing out that players not good enough for North America can be stars in Europe/Russia (regardless of what country they're from!), while players not good enough for European/Russian Leagues won't even make the NHL, let alone be stars

Posted: **Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:08 am**

Alessandro wrote:
nino33 wrote: in fact a guy who couldn't produce in the AHL has the KHL most goals in a season record....
There are also many examples who go in the opposite direction...
Have a look at stats of lockout players in the KHL... Jeoffrey Lupul, Evander Kane, even goalies as Pekka Rinne were embarrassing...
But I guess the euro vs NA players is an endless argument. And adaptation really plays a big role

The lockout players are a bad example. Many players didn't really care about how they played and only played in Europe for fun.
There were solid NHLers that played badly in the Swedish Allsvenskan for example

Posted: **Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:06 am**

Manimal wrote:
Alessandro wrote:
nino33 wrote: in fact a guy who couldn't produce in the AHL has the KHL most goals in a season record....
There are also many examples who go in the opposite direction...
Have a look at stats of lockout players in the KHL... Jeoffrey Lupul, Evander Kane, even goalies as Pekka Rinne were embarrassing...
But I guess the euro vs NA players is an endless argument. And adaptation really plays a big role
The lockout players are a bad example. Many players didn't really care about how they played and only played in Europe for fun.
There were solid NHLers that played badly in the Swedish Allsvenskan for example

This is why NHL players should be banned to join European teams in case of lockout.
Some players were excellent (Malkin, Ovechkin, Kulyomin, etc.) but most of them were absolutely terrible.
We're going OTer and OTer tho

Posted: **Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:39 am**

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nino33 wrote:I've got two tests going right now
- one with no players/staff added at start-up
- one with all possible "add players/staff" chosen at start-up

Here's the results from Test 2 (all possible players/staff added) at startup

PA at startup - Birth Years 1976-2005

BIRTH YEAR	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005
PA Range/Player Age	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14	12-13	11-12	10-11	9-10
190-200	0	0	0	0	2	3	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	1	0	0	4	3	2	0	0	0
170-179	1	5	11	5	20	21	5	1	1	0
160-169	3	8	11	9	29	21	11	0	1	1
150-159	8	8	20	16	45	59	8	1	1	2
140-149	9	14	18	17	29	30	10	0	1	1
130-139	15	32	23	39	70	81	19	1	4	3
120-129	47	63	80	96	154	162	45	9	10	7
110-119	57	68	73	103	156	159	56	10	5	10
100-109	50	63	67	104	168	191	35	9	4	9

NOTE - from past testing, the very youngest players are not the only players for those Birth Years, as it seems the game will add a few more as the initial years pass (which will show up in the 2025 data)

BIRTH YEAR	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995
PA Range/Player Age	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20
190-200	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	1
180-189	1	0	1	2	2	0	0	0	0	1
170-179	3	2	1	2	2	3	2	3	4	0
160-169	3	3	3	6	4	2	4	1	6	1
150-159	5	6	10	6	6	6	11	6	10	8
140-149	10	10	5	6	15	12	11	12	5	7
130-139	16	23	22	15	33	44	31	28	29	25
120-129	27	34	22	20	32	37	61	37	50	36
110-119	38	32	45	45	44	49	73	48	64	57
100-109	62	52	42	38	44	58	72	59	61	57

BIRTH YEAR	1976	1977	1978	1979	1980	1981	1982	1983	1984	1985
PA Range/Player Age	38-39	37-38	36-37	35-36	34-35	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	1
170-179	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4
160-169	0	1	1	0	3	1	0	1	4	3
150-159	0	0	1	2	0	3	3	2	6	5
140-149	1	0	1	2	4	4	5	6	8	5
130-139	0	3	4	3	5	7	14	11	21	12
120-129	2	5	8	7	10	16	16	14	18	25
110-119	2	8	12	16	28	24	25	32	36	49
100-109	7	4	18	24	26	21	26	36	46	59

CA at startup - All Players/Ages, by Nation

Nation & CA Range	Austria	Belarus	Canada	Crotia	Czech Republic	Denmark	Finland	France	Germany	Hungary
190-200	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	6	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	0	0	9	0	0	0	1	0	0	0
160-169	0	0	19	0	2	0	1	0	0	0
150-159	0	0	37	0	7	1	4	0	0	0
140-149	1	0	69	0	5	3	13	0	2	0
130-139	2	1	125	0	22	2	16	2	4	0
120-129	1	2	205	1	22	3	36	1	3	0
110-119	1	3	174	0	55	2	49	1	9	0
100-109	8	11	223	2	75	6	71	1	13	1

Nation & CA Range	Kazakhstan	Latvia	Lithuania	Norway	Russia	Slovakia	Slovenia	Sweden	Switzerland	USA
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	1	0	1
170-179	0	0	0	0	2	0	1	4	0	2
160-169	0	0	0	0	4	2	0	6	1	14
150-159	0	0	0	1	18	1	0	8	0	19
140-149	0	1	0	0	27	3	0	19	1	36
130-139	0	1	0	1	58	1	0	37	6	52
120-129	2	10	2	3	49	14	1	48	8	110
110-119	4	3	0	2	99	30	1	78	7	78
100-109	9	5	0	9	44	33	5	120	17	92

PA at startup - All Players/Ages, by Nation

Nation & PA Range	Australia	Austria	Belarus	Belgium	Bulgaria	Canada	Chinese Taipei	Croatia	Czech Republic	Denmark
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	6	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	11	0	0	1	0
170-179	0	3	0	0	0	66	0	0	7	0
160-169	0	1	0	0	0	85	0	0	12	1
150-159	0	1	1	0	0	183	0	0	27	4
140-149	0	4	3	0	0	163	0	0	24	3
130-139	0	6	5	0	0	354	1	0	65	5
120-129	0	11	7	2	1	587	2	2	111	8
110-119	1	20	28	4	0	646	0	3	182	21
100-109	2	22	26	2	1	663	1	2	185	26

Nation & PA Range	Estonia	Finland	France	Germany	Great Britain	Hong Kong	Hungary	Iceland	Israel	Italy
190-200	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	0	21	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
160-169	0	20	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
150-159	0	49	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0
140-149	0	39	0	2	0	0	0	1	1	0
130-139	1	100	2	20	0	1	0	0	0	0
120-129	0	214	4	30	24	4	3	2	4	3
110-119	0	220	5	55	28	5	6	4	4	6
100-109	2	248	4	79	40	4	3	4	1	9

Nation & PA Range	Japan	Kazakhstan	Latvia	Lithuania	Luxembourg	Mexico	Netherlands	New Zealand	Nigeria	Norway
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
160-169	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
150-159	0	1	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	1
140-149	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	1
130-139	0	2	10	1	0	0	0	0	0	5
120-129	0	7	18	1	0	1	3	1	0	13
110-119	0	14	18	0	0	1	4	3	0	11
100-109	2	15	22	3	1	2	5	1	1	26

Nation & PA Range	Poland	Romania	Russia	Slovakia	Slovenia	South Africa	Spain	Sweden	Switzerland	Turkey
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	6	1	0
170-179	0	0	2	0	1	0	0	14	2	0
160-169	0	0	13	6	0	0	0	36	1	0
150-159	0	0	31	5	0	0	0	43	5	0
140-149	0	0	38	3	0	0	0	60	8	0
130-139	0	0	88	25	2	0	0	177	12	0
120-129	0	2	114	44	4	4	2	294	47	1
110-119	1	2	240	74	3	2	2	372	49	1
100-109	2	3	251	91	9	2	1	368	89	1

Nation & PA Range	Turkey	Ukraine	USA
190-200	0	0	3
180-189	0	0	7
170-179	0	0	32
160-169	0	0	54
150-159	0	0	99
140-149	0	0	72
130-139	0	2	186
120-129	1	0	356
110-119	1	3	369
100-109	1	8	345

Posted: **Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:07 am**

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nino33 wrote:I've got two tests going right now
- one with no players/staff added at start-up
- one with all possible "add players/staff" chosen at start-up

Here's the results from Test 1 (no players/staff added) at startup

PA at startup - Birth Years 1976-2005

BIRTH YEAR	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005
PA Range/Player Age	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14	12-13	11-12	10-11	9-10
190-200	0	3	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	1	1	1	1	0	1	1	0	0
170-179	2	2	5	5	9	9	3	1	1	0
160-169	2	2	8	5	7	4	2	2	1	0
150-159	13	11	13	15	21	23	3	4	0	0
140-149	13	11	10	6	18	7	2	0	4	2
130-139	21	20	18	23	39	29	4	6	3	3
120-129	36	61	50	68	46	57	14	11	10	7
110-119	59	66	62	54	82	54	19	8	10	10
100-109	45	55	46	45	75	64	9	4	8	9

BIRTH YEAR	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995
PA Range/Player Age	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20
190-200	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	0	1	2	2	0	0	1	1	1
170-179	3	2	1	2	2	3	3	1	4	3
160-169	3	3	3	6	4	2	4	3	2	0
150-159	4	6	10	6	6	6	13	4	10	7
140-149	10	10	5	6	15	10	11	11	8	12
130-139	17	23	22	14	29	47	21	28	23	20
120-129	27	34	21	19	33	36	62	42	43	41
110-119	39	33	45	43	45	50	62	40	69	55
100-109	67	52	43	40	44	58	65	45	53	43

BIRTH YEAR	1976	1977	1978	1979	1980	1981	1982	1983	1984	1985
PA Range/Player Age	38-39	37-38	36-37	35-36	34-35	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	1
170-179	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4
160-169	0	1	1	0	3	1	0	1	4	3
150-159	0	0	1	2	0	3	3	2	6	5
140-149	1	0	1	2	4	4	5	6	8	5
130-139	0	3	4	3	5	7	14	11	19	12
120-129	3	5	8	8	10	16	16	15	19	24
110-119	2	8	11	16	27	24	24	32	36	49
100-109	7	4	18	24	26	22	26	33	48	59

CA at startup - All Players/Ages, by Nation

Nation & CA Range	Austria	Belarus	Canada	Crotia	Czech Republic	Denmark	Finland	France	Germany	Hungary
190-200	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	6	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	0	0	9	0	0	0	1	0	0	0
160-169	0	0	19	0	3	0	1	0	0	0
150-159	1	0	36	0	6	2	4	0	0	0
140-149	0	0	70	0	4	2	12	0	2	0
130-139	1	0	118	0	21	2	18	2	4	0
120-129	2	3	219	2	21	3	36	1	3	0
110-119	1	3	168	0	57	2	46	0	10	0
100-109	8	11	222	1	75	5	72	2	13	1

Nation & CA Range	Kazakhstan	Latvia	Lithuania	Norway	Russia	Slovakia	Slovenia	Sweden	Switzerland	Ukraine	USA
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	1	0	0	1
170-179	0	0	0	0	2	0	1	3	0	0	2
160-169	0	0	0	0	2	2	0	8	1	0	15
150-159	0	0	0	1	4	1	0	8	0	0	21
140-149	0	0	0	0	9	3	0	18	1	0	33
130-139	0	2	0	1	26	1	0	40	6	0	51
120-129	2	10	1	3	42	15	2	48	6	0	109
110-119	4	3	1	1	97	28	1	80	8	1	75
100-109	9	4	0	8	116	34	5	122	17	2	95

PA at startup - All Players/Ages, by Nation

Nation & PA Range	Australia	Austria	Belarus	Belgium	Bulgaria	Canada	Chinese Taipei	Croatia	Czech Republic	Denmark
190-200	0	0	0	0	-	5	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	-	13	0	0	1	0
170-179	0	0	0	0	-	38	0	0	7	0
160-169	0	1	0	0	-	45	0	0	8	2
150-159	0	0	3	0	-	105	0	0	21	3
140-149	0	2	1	0	-	142	0	0	18	2
130-139	0	4	4	0	-	261	0	0	50	6
120-129	1	7	14	3	-	448	0	1	74	5
110-119	1	18	28	1	-	474	0	4	136	18
100-109	1	21	18	1	-	517	1	2	137	27

Nation & PA Range	Estonia	Finland	France	Germany	Great Britain	Hong Kong	Hungary	Iceland	Israel	Italy
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	-	0
180-189	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	-	0
170-179	0	11	0	1	0	0	0	0	-	0
160-169	0	9	0	0	0	0	0	0	-	0
150-159	0	27	1	3	0	0	0	0	-	0
140-149	0	29	0	4	0	0	0	0	-	0
130-139	0	69	2	13	1	0	0	0	-	0
120-129	1	86	2	22	3	2	2	1	-	2
110-119	1	129	3	40	9	3	3	3	-	5
100-109	3	149	7	64	6	3	3	1	-	4

Nation & PA Range	Japan	Kazakhstan	Latvia	Lithuania	Luxembourg	Mexico	Netherlands	New Zealand	Nigeria	Norway
190-200	0	0	0	0	-	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	-	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	0	0	0	0	-	0	0	0	0	0
160-169	0	0	0	0	-	0	0	0	0	0
150-159	0	1	5	0	-	0	0	0	0	1
140-149	0	1	1	0	-	0	0	0	0	1
130-139	0	1	10	1	-	0	0	0	0	5
120-129	1	12	17	2	-	0	0	2	0	6
110-119	2	11	14	0	-	0	1	0	0	16
100-109	0	16	30	1	-	1	2	0	1	15

Nation & PA Range	Poland	Romania	Russia	Slovakia	Slovenia	South Africa	Spain	Sweden	Switzerland	Turkey
190-200	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	4	0	0
170-179	0	0	6	0	1	0	0	10	4	0
160-169	0	0	5	3	0	0	0	15	2	0
150-159	0	0	29	8	0	0	0	35	6	0
140-149	0	0	37	4	1	0	0	40	7	0
130-139	1	0	89	19	1	0	0	147	9	0
120-129	0	1	121	41	2	0	1	197	41	1
110-119	2	0	234	71	3	1	1	278	47	0
100-109	0	0	239	82	8	0	0	294	68	1

Nation & PA Range	Ukraine	USA
190-200	0	1
180-189	0	4
170-179	0	25
160-169	0	35
150-159	0	70
140-149	1	57
130-139	0	145
120-129	0	251
110-119	4	278
100-109	7	241

NOTE - Bulgaria, Israel and Luxembourg were included for reference as they had players of 100+ PA with "all players/staff added" but 0 players/staff with "no players/staff added"

Posted: **Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:46 am**

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Here's the first part of the results from Test 1 (no players/staff added) at 2025

BIRTH YEAR	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011
PA Range/Player Age	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	3	1	1	0	0	0	1	0	1	0
160-169	3	2	2	3	2	4	2	1	1	0
150-159	5	6	1	2	3	6	10	2	5	1
140-149	5	2	8	6	7	4	13	2	7	1
130-139	20	19	16	15	12	19	26	9	12	3
120-129	36	28	25	24	28	31	23	19	14	2
110-119	51	55	52	56	54	59	40	51	25	7
100-109	69	55	77	81	50	87	77	28	22	10

BIRTH YEAR	1992	1993	1994	1995	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001
PA Range/Player Age	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	0	1
180-189	0	1	1	1	1	1	0	1	1	0
170-179	3	1	4	3	2	2	3	5	9	9
160-169	4	3	2	0	2	2	2	5	7	4
150-159	13	4	10	7	13	11	8	15	22	26
140-149	11	11	8	12	13	11	8	6	18	8
130-139	21	28	22	20	21	20	17	23	39	34
120-129	56	40	42	40	35	59	30	66	57	65
110-119	56	36	65	52	57	59	43	49	118	89
100-109	57	36	42	39	40	52	21	38	123	116

BIRTH YEAR	1982	1983	1984	1985	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990	1991
PA Range/Player Age	42-43	41-42	40-41	39-40	38-39	37-38	36-37	35-36	34-35	33-34
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	0	0
180-189	0	1	0	1	1	0	1	2	2	0
170-179	0	0	0	1	2	2	1	1	2	3
160-169	0	0	0	0	1	2	3	6	4	2
150-159	0	0	0	0	3	0	6	6	6	6
140-149	0	0	0	1	4	5	5	4	13	10
130-139	0	0	0	2	3	4	10	8	29	47
120-129	0	0	0	0	0	7	10	14	29	36
110-119	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	12	29	44
100-109	0	0	0	0	0		5	6	26	41

Here's a look at the older players and their CA/PA (players with a 150+ PA).....

Year of Birth - Name CA/PA
1983 - Duncan Keith 146/182
1985 - Alexander Ovechkin 143/186
1985 - Shea Weber 139/178
1986 - Evgeni Malkin 144/180
1986 - Cory Schneider 156/176
1986 - Ben Bishop 141/170
1986 - Blake Wheeler 130/162
1986 - Tyler Bozak 114/156
1986 - Alexander Edler 115/154
1986 - Wojtek Wolski 115/151
1987 - Carey Price 180/190
1987 - Anze Kopitar 142/172
1987 - Nicklas Bäckström 139/172
1987 - Kris Letang 140/168
1987 - Nick Foligno 130/160
1988 - Jonathan Toews 184/192
1988 - Patrick Kane 180/182
1988 - Sergei Bobrovsky 150/170
1988 - Max Pacioretty 149/166
1988 - Semyon Varlamov 145/164
1988 - Kyle Okposo 130/162
1988 - Scott Darling 128/154
1988 - Erik Johnson 115/154
1988 - James Reimer 120/152
1988 - Steve Mason 120/150
1988 - Wayne Simmonds 124/150
1988 - Jakub Kovár 124/150
1989 - Braden Holtby 180/182
1989 - Jamie Benn 146/180
1989 - Ryan McDonagh 156/174
1989 - Logan Couture 144/166
1989 - Jake Muzzin 154/166
1989 - Kyle Turris 144/166
1989 - Kevin Shattenkirk 154/166
1989 - Jakub Vorácek 145/164
1989 - Harri Säteri 156/163
1989 - Chris Tanev 142/158
1989 - Mike Hoffman 120/154
1989 - Mikkel Bødker 136/154
1989 - Brandon Sutter 120/152
1989 - Colin Wilson 126/152
1989 - Jared Spurgeon 142/150
1990 - John Tavares 186/186
1990 - Erik Karlsson 180/180
1990 - Victor Hedman 178/178
1990 - Alex Pietrangelo 159/174
1990 - Travis Hamonic 164/166
1990 - Tyler Johnson 160/166
1990 - Derek Stepan 154/166
1990 - Jan Kovár 143/161
1990 - Jordan Eberle 138/158
1990 - Jakob Silfverberg 136/154
1990 - Michael Del Zotto 143/152
1990 - Anders Nilsson 138/152
1990 - Zach Bogosian 140/152
1990 - Nikita Feoktistov 120/150
1991 - Vladimir Tarasenko 174/174
1991 - Oliver Ekman-Larsson 172/172
1991 - Taylor Hall 168/170
1991 - Ondrej Palát 152/160
1991 - Matt Duchene 148/160
1991 - Tyson Barrie 158/158
1991 - Artemi Panarin 154/158
1991 - Chris Kreider 147/158
1991 - Nick Leddy 153/154
1991 - Simon Després 150/150
1991 - Cody Eakin 136/150
1992 - Tyler Seguin 176/178
1992 - Ryan Johansen 170/172
1992 - Evgeny Kuznetsov 171/171
1992 - Gabriel Landeskog 168/168
1992 - Mikael Granlund 158/166
1992 - Brandon Saad 162/162
1992 - Justin Faulk 160/162
1992 - Jarred Tinordi 157/159
1992 - Max Friberg 154/158
1992 - Nick Bjugstad 155/157
1992 - Martin Marincin 156/156
1992 - Petr Mrázek 152/155
1992 - Zack Phillips 120/155
1992 - Michael Sgarbossa 118/155
1992 - Nikita Kardashev 128/154
1992 - Jaden Schwartz 145/153
1992 - Brandon Gormley 151/152
1992 - John Klingberg 151/151
1992 - Devante Smith-Pelly 147/150
1992 - Mark Stone 141/150

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BIRTH YEAR	1966	1967	1968	1969	1970	1971	1972	1973	1974	1975
PLAYER AGE	48-49	47-48	46-47	45-46	44-45	43-44	42-43	41-42	40-41	39-40
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
160-169	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0
150-159	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
140-149	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
130-139	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
120-129	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	1
110-119	1	1	0	0	0	1	2	2	1	4
100-109	0	0	0	2	1	0	3	1	1	4