Vegas Golden Knights - The NHL's Newest Franchise - Part II
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:42 pm
Instead of cluttering up the data editing forum with Vegas stuff, I thought I'd do a sequel thread to my Vegas dynasty thread from a few months back.
This thread won't be quite as "story" oriented but more of a look at results of simulating with the database I use. It may be different careers throughout - think of it as test lab results.
This will be the official place to download my personal DB if you want to use it. See link below. I don't mind you taking my work and editing and tweaking things as you see fit or exporting/importing data...I actually encourage this! And I encourage sharing results of your experiences. And I don't even care if you share a version of my database if you after you've made changes as long as there is credit - after all, this DB started about 4 years ago with a TBL database.
With that said, here's the link to the latest version and in change history and disclaimer/instructions...I will keep this updated with any new versions until the TBL '17-18 start date database comes out and then I suggest everybody switch to that because it will be awesome and complete. My database is NOT on Steam.
LATEST DB Update - 8/2/17 (Evening)
BIG NOTE: I ALWAYS play with additional staff option turned ON for game settings at beginning...it seems some have been having issues with players having non-player profiles and some crashes when this is not turned on. I'm not sure what the issue is since I always play with that option on.
- Updated transactions, signings, trades for NHL, AHL, NCAA and NCAA recruits (ie John Beecher from USNTDP to Michigan in 2019, Ryan Kirwan to Penn State in 2020, etc)
- KHL is completely updated and back as playable...rosters updated fully per EP and quite a few prospects added to MHL-affiliated clubs - although this will vary depending on club
- Updated CHL transactions but not yet fully fleshed out rosters. Did add CHL rights to all 2017 CHL import guys and update guys already confirmed as coming over to their respective CHL team (Svechnikov, Roman, Kohler, etc) although Khovanov is back to Ak Bars - with Moncton junior rights
- SHL rosters are updated per EP and league should be pretty playable with younger guys getting ratings increases and older guys decreases but again no guarantees with anything
- Liiga transactions are updatd but have not yet gone back through some older transaction prior in the summer so not going to claim accuracy
- Further expanded future draft pools with additional high level prospects...MHL, 2016 & 2017 Hlinka Tournament players, CHL import players, etc...the "feel" of future drafts through 2020 should be pretty authentic based on posting from HFBoards, early draft lists from scouting services and info from EliteProspects
- All NHL-drafted NCAA grads not yet signed and expected to become free agents on August 15th have had their rights cleared...so you are free to sign the likes of Will Butcher and Alex Kerfoot
- I gave small Tkachyov an entry level contract with the Rangers - hasn't happened yet but seems very possible and if he signs anywhere it will likely be NY. Same with Loktionov in LA.
- Cleaned up NHL and KHL affiliations to AHL/ECHL and VHL/MHL squads. Still a few things undecided IRL though.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ryzblcnnnuhpo ... 1.zip?dl=0
As always, feel free to crib from my database to include in your own personal databases - just make sure to throw me a nod and wink if you publish anything that uses some of my work. That's all I ask! What you use on your own computer though is entirely up to you. Also I've seen a complaint that the Olympics still aren't releasing NHL players back...all I can say is the Olympics work perfectly fine on my computer so not sure what else I can do.
Version History
July 15 Update:
- Olympics now work! They do in 2018 anyways. They finished, history was recorded and next day players are back with their NHL clubs.
- Dual Nationalites fixed...no more stupid rubbish like Barkov on Russia and the Nylanders on Team USA. Also made sure dual prospects who have chosen the USNTDP path, for example, are declared appropriately.
Other Stuff
- Contracts updated
- Lots of Euro league structures updated...including two new VHL teams in China (although no colors/logo for Jilin yet), and SHL/Allv, Liifa/Mestis, NLA/NLBA, DEL/DEL2, Czech, Slovak, EBEL, AlpsHL all should have correct clubs for 17/18
- Added a bunch of big-time 2002 born prospects like Dylan Peterson and Kaiden Guhle...and when I say add, I mean they are given a very high chance to become top notch draftees...my goal is to keep filling the 2019 and 20 drafts (and even 21) with high quality real life prospects
- Started cleaning up the SHL and Swedish drafted prospect contracts for 17-18...you'll notice that, for example, quite a few guys like Lias Andersson are signed by their NHL team but loaned back to Europe. Since we don't know if these guys will make their NHL clubs and whether they will be sent back to Europe or the CHL or AHL...that's just how I'm handling it until we get more info on a case by case basis
- Noticed Victor Ejdsell wasn't a Nashville property and was missing Jacob Peterson (DAL) from the 2017 so those are fixed along with numerous minor fixes
July 11 Update:
- Updated NHL transactions through 7/11 (evening)
- Updated AHL/CHL/NCAA transactions (and recruits for NCAA)
- Updated major former NHL transactions (ie Stalbrg to Zug)
- Updated KHL transactions (still not done vetting every team though and KHL still not playable)
- Added a bunch of 2000 and 2001 birth year OHL/WHL/QMJHL guys (though still far from totally comprehensive, play CHL at your own risk)
- Switched the Blues to share San Antonio as their AHL affiliate (mistakenly had them sharing Chicago Wolves with LV before)
- Still may be a few wonky things with the Olypmics, haven't fully vetted
July 7 Update:
- Updated transactions, signings, trades for NHL through Friday evening 7/7
- Dynamo (KHL) roster now purged per Eliteprospects (also CSKA signings and such)
- Vegas colors tweaked to more appropriately match their jerseys
- Espoo United colors tweaked to go with new logo
- AHL cleaned up with only current AHL contracts (all remaining unsigned players sent to FA pool, some also retired)
- Fixed an error in the config file that was mesing up contract extensions; McDavid's contract extension is added
- Cleaned up summer transaction for OHL, WHL, QMJHL, USHL & BCHL - note, no promises about this being comprehensive and lots of 2000 & 2001 players need to be added to the CHL (though most of the top ones are there)
- I *think* I've gotten the World Championships, World Cup & Olympics all straightened out...not certain though
- Added Klein retirement and Tocchet as Yotes HC
June 29 Update:
- Added Thursdays transactions (ie Hartnell, Pouliot now UFAS...also made Tkachyov an UFA so you can try and sign him)
- Updated some 2018 draftees (HINT: you WANT WANT WANT Dahlin or Svechnikov in the draft...they are pretty souped up ratings wise so that within a year they are ready to enter the NHL and be phenoms like Matthews/Laine were this past year, that's the hope anyways! Let me know if it actually happens!)
- Updated ratings of some expected Calder candidates so they get more important roles from the drop on their teams (ie, Chabot, McAvoy, Keller, Strome, Connoer, Boeser, Ho-Sang, etc)
- Added Zadina to Halifax since it seems likely he will be going there. So he and Svechnikov are playing CHL...rest of CHL draft is yet to be updated
- Made sure a lot of the really good CHL-drafted 2001 birthdates are now starting on their respective OHL/WHL/QMJHL clubs. Far from a comprehensive list but includes most of the top prospects in each of those leagues for that draft year (another hint: Alexis Lafreniere is another potential phenom, not draft eligible till 2020 though!)
- Updated Kootenay Ice colors to go with new logo
Original Release for 17/18:
KEY FEATURES:
- All NHL contracts and rosters updated per CapFriendly thru June 28 (last update included: the likes of Foo, Petersen, Andrighetto, B. Smith, McIlrath etc)
- 2017 NHL Draft fully incorporated, all rights and draft details updated
- UFA/RFA status updated including qualified/non-qualified players (so teams will have lots of RFAs that will need to be signed)
- Rights for all prospects should be accurate...2015 drafted prospects who were not signed are now unattached (ie Korostolev, Estephen, etc)
- I still have NHL rights for unsigned college seniors like Butcher and Kerfoot as of 6/28...they will become FA's if not signed soon, will update at that time.
- Future traded NHL draft picks updated (minus any "conditional" picks where we don't know the condition yet)
- NHL Cap and Cap Floor Updated
- NHL stats from 16/17 season updated so rookie and prospect lists (as well as career NHL stats) should be accurate (NOTE: I did not add playoff stats yet and players that split teams I just put the combined total under the team they last played on for the season)
- Vegas, baby!
- AHL & ECHL teams and affiliations updated (as of end of June)
- Cap penalties and retained salary has not been updated yet for each team...I plan on doing this at some point.
- NHL Head Coaches and GM's are accurate but I didn't really get too involved with messing with other staff.
YOU MUST PUT THE EXTRA CONFIG FILE IN YOUR DB FOLDER AS WELL. You can edit all the future transfers and draft picks swaps in that file if you want to tweak your own DB.
***BIGLY DISCLAIMER***
- This is an NHL-centered database update (AHL, ECHL, USHL, NCAA should be fine as well). I guarantee nothing if you select other playable leagues. In fact, you will notice several leagues completely unplayable like the KHL - because I am in the process of moving teams around for 17-18 but without a league schedule update, you can't play them. Selecting any other random league could easily crash your game. Don't say I didn't warn you...
- Lots of KHL and Euro transfers are in fact updated...I've done most of the KHL except the top 5-6 clubs and most Euro transfer related to recent NHL players and/or players with NHL rights. But not even close to being totally comprehensive.
- I've put lots of work into the USHL/NCAA...almost all complete Fall 2017 freshman classes for all NCAA teams are updated along with tons and tons of future recruits. USNTDP is updated for the '00 and '01 classes and even stuck a few likely '02 guys in there.
- CHL is updated only so far as it relates to drafted players and top prospect soon to be draft eligible. The recent CHL import draft has NOT yet been included but I plan on adding players and rights later - although I DID put Svechnikov on Barrie because, yeah, that's happening!
***OTHER STUFF***
- For NHL contracted players with CHL rights...if they are '97 born, they start the year on the NHL depth charts and can optionally be sent down for their overage year. If they are '98 born, they start on loan to their junior team unless they are a top, top prospect (ie, highly unlikely Sergachev plays another season in Windsor). You can always cancel the loan. Of course we won't really know how this shakes out until close to the start of the season. There are also Euro guys on NHL contracts who are confirmed via EliteProspects to be loaned back to Europe for 17/18 so they are taken care of.
- For NCAA guys...you will notice a lot of the top prospects in the NCAA have predetermined future transfers to their NHL clubs. If I don't do this NHL teams really decimate NCAA rosters during the seasons by signing guys in mid-season - which is not realistic. This keeps top NCAA clubs in tact through the full year.
- Also have a few future Russian top transfers to NHL clubs built in after their KHL contracts end...ie Sorokin, Shestyorkin, Gusev, Gavrikov, etc. Dadonov starts the game as an UFA with a strong liking for Vegas...but anybody can try and sign him
- Major LTIR injuries should be in there (Hossa, Horton, Lupul, Franzen, Clarkson, etc - these guys will be out for 12+ months and a lot of them just retire) but otherwise with injuries, you start with a clean slate.
***KNOWN BUGS***
- One bug I know of is a few player (RFAs) who have correct NHL rights set still end up as UFAs. Three guys I know this was affecting were Dotchin, Stolarz and Gillies - all are likely to be re-signed so I went ahead and gave them one year deals so you can't cheat the system. There may be a few more I missed...it also may affect a few prospects - Nikita Gusev was one, he doesn't show up in the Vegas depth charts or prospect list but I gave him a future transfer after his KHL deal to Vegas so it shouldn't matter.
Final Note: I have not done much testing to be honest, it's taken a long time just to get contracts and 16/17 stats updated. So let me know how things go, especially if you are playing as Vegas!
This thread won't be quite as "story" oriented but more of a look at results of simulating with the database I use. It may be different careers throughout - think of it as test lab results.
This will be the official place to download my personal DB if you want to use it. See link below. I don't mind you taking my work and editing and tweaking things as you see fit or exporting/importing data...I actually encourage this! And I encourage sharing results of your experiences. And I don't even care if you share a version of my database if you after you've made changes as long as there is credit - after all, this DB started about 4 years ago with a TBL database.
With that said, here's the link to the latest version and in change history and disclaimer/instructions...I will keep this updated with any new versions until the TBL '17-18 start date database comes out and then I suggest everybody switch to that because it will be awesome and complete. My database is NOT on Steam.
LATEST DB Update - 8/2/17 (Evening)
BIG NOTE: I ALWAYS play with additional staff option turned ON for game settings at beginning...it seems some have been having issues with players having non-player profiles and some crashes when this is not turned on. I'm not sure what the issue is since I always play with that option on.
- Updated transactions, signings, trades for NHL, AHL, NCAA and NCAA recruits (ie John Beecher from USNTDP to Michigan in 2019, Ryan Kirwan to Penn State in 2020, etc)
- KHL is completely updated and back as playable...rosters updated fully per EP and quite a few prospects added to MHL-affiliated clubs - although this will vary depending on club
- Updated CHL transactions but not yet fully fleshed out rosters. Did add CHL rights to all 2017 CHL import guys and update guys already confirmed as coming over to their respective CHL team (Svechnikov, Roman, Kohler, etc) although Khovanov is back to Ak Bars - with Moncton junior rights
- SHL rosters are updated per EP and league should be pretty playable with younger guys getting ratings increases and older guys decreases but again no guarantees with anything
- Liiga transactions are updatd but have not yet gone back through some older transaction prior in the summer so not going to claim accuracy
- Further expanded future draft pools with additional high level prospects...MHL, 2016 & 2017 Hlinka Tournament players, CHL import players, etc...the "feel" of future drafts through 2020 should be pretty authentic based on posting from HFBoards, early draft lists from scouting services and info from EliteProspects
- All NHL-drafted NCAA grads not yet signed and expected to become free agents on August 15th have had their rights cleared...so you are free to sign the likes of Will Butcher and Alex Kerfoot
- I gave small Tkachyov an entry level contract with the Rangers - hasn't happened yet but seems very possible and if he signs anywhere it will likely be NY. Same with Loktionov in LA.
- Cleaned up NHL and KHL affiliations to AHL/ECHL and VHL/MHL squads. Still a few things undecided IRL though.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ryzblcnnnuhpo ... 1.zip?dl=0
As always, feel free to crib from my database to include in your own personal databases - just make sure to throw me a nod and wink if you publish anything that uses some of my work. That's all I ask! What you use on your own computer though is entirely up to you. Also I've seen a complaint that the Olympics still aren't releasing NHL players back...all I can say is the Olympics work perfectly fine on my computer so not sure what else I can do.
Version History
July 15 Update:
- Olympics now work! They do in 2018 anyways. They finished, history was recorded and next day players are back with their NHL clubs.
- Dual Nationalites fixed...no more stupid rubbish like Barkov on Russia and the Nylanders on Team USA. Also made sure dual prospects who have chosen the USNTDP path, for example, are declared appropriately.
Other Stuff
- Contracts updated
- Lots of Euro league structures updated...including two new VHL teams in China (although no colors/logo for Jilin yet), and SHL/Allv, Liifa/Mestis, NLA/NLBA, DEL/DEL2, Czech, Slovak, EBEL, AlpsHL all should have correct clubs for 17/18
- Added a bunch of big-time 2002 born prospects like Dylan Peterson and Kaiden Guhle...and when I say add, I mean they are given a very high chance to become top notch draftees...my goal is to keep filling the 2019 and 20 drafts (and even 21) with high quality real life prospects
- Started cleaning up the SHL and Swedish drafted prospect contracts for 17-18...you'll notice that, for example, quite a few guys like Lias Andersson are signed by their NHL team but loaned back to Europe. Since we don't know if these guys will make their NHL clubs and whether they will be sent back to Europe or the CHL or AHL...that's just how I'm handling it until we get more info on a case by case basis
- Noticed Victor Ejdsell wasn't a Nashville property and was missing Jacob Peterson (DAL) from the 2017 so those are fixed along with numerous minor fixes
July 11 Update:
- Updated NHL transactions through 7/11 (evening)
- Updated AHL/CHL/NCAA transactions (and recruits for NCAA)
- Updated major former NHL transactions (ie Stalbrg to Zug)
- Updated KHL transactions (still not done vetting every team though and KHL still not playable)
- Added a bunch of 2000 and 2001 birth year OHL/WHL/QMJHL guys (though still far from totally comprehensive, play CHL at your own risk)
- Switched the Blues to share San Antonio as their AHL affiliate (mistakenly had them sharing Chicago Wolves with LV before)
- Still may be a few wonky things with the Olypmics, haven't fully vetted
July 7 Update:
- Updated transactions, signings, trades for NHL through Friday evening 7/7
- Dynamo (KHL) roster now purged per Eliteprospects (also CSKA signings and such)
- Vegas colors tweaked to more appropriately match their jerseys
- Espoo United colors tweaked to go with new logo
- AHL cleaned up with only current AHL contracts (all remaining unsigned players sent to FA pool, some also retired)
- Fixed an error in the config file that was mesing up contract extensions; McDavid's contract extension is added
- Cleaned up summer transaction for OHL, WHL, QMJHL, USHL & BCHL - note, no promises about this being comprehensive and lots of 2000 & 2001 players need to be added to the CHL (though most of the top ones are there)
- I *think* I've gotten the World Championships, World Cup & Olympics all straightened out...not certain though
- Added Klein retirement and Tocchet as Yotes HC
June 29 Update:
- Added Thursdays transactions (ie Hartnell, Pouliot now UFAS...also made Tkachyov an UFA so you can try and sign him)
- Updated some 2018 draftees (HINT: you WANT WANT WANT Dahlin or Svechnikov in the draft...they are pretty souped up ratings wise so that within a year they are ready to enter the NHL and be phenoms like Matthews/Laine were this past year, that's the hope anyways! Let me know if it actually happens!)
- Updated ratings of some expected Calder candidates so they get more important roles from the drop on their teams (ie, Chabot, McAvoy, Keller, Strome, Connoer, Boeser, Ho-Sang, etc)
- Added Zadina to Halifax since it seems likely he will be going there. So he and Svechnikov are playing CHL...rest of CHL draft is yet to be updated
- Made sure a lot of the really good CHL-drafted 2001 birthdates are now starting on their respective OHL/WHL/QMJHL clubs. Far from a comprehensive list but includes most of the top prospects in each of those leagues for that draft year (another hint: Alexis Lafreniere is another potential phenom, not draft eligible till 2020 though!)
- Updated Kootenay Ice colors to go with new logo
Original Release for 17/18:
KEY FEATURES:
- All NHL contracts and rosters updated per CapFriendly thru June 28 (last update included: the likes of Foo, Petersen, Andrighetto, B. Smith, McIlrath etc)
- 2017 NHL Draft fully incorporated, all rights and draft details updated
- UFA/RFA status updated including qualified/non-qualified players (so teams will have lots of RFAs that will need to be signed)
- Rights for all prospects should be accurate...2015 drafted prospects who were not signed are now unattached (ie Korostolev, Estephen, etc)
- I still have NHL rights for unsigned college seniors like Butcher and Kerfoot as of 6/28...they will become FA's if not signed soon, will update at that time.
- Future traded NHL draft picks updated (minus any "conditional" picks where we don't know the condition yet)
- NHL Cap and Cap Floor Updated
- NHL stats from 16/17 season updated so rookie and prospect lists (as well as career NHL stats) should be accurate (NOTE: I did not add playoff stats yet and players that split teams I just put the combined total under the team they last played on for the season)
- Vegas, baby!
- AHL & ECHL teams and affiliations updated (as of end of June)
- Cap penalties and retained salary has not been updated yet for each team...I plan on doing this at some point.
- NHL Head Coaches and GM's are accurate but I didn't really get too involved with messing with other staff.
YOU MUST PUT THE EXTRA CONFIG FILE IN YOUR DB FOLDER AS WELL. You can edit all the future transfers and draft picks swaps in that file if you want to tweak your own DB.
***BIGLY DISCLAIMER***
- This is an NHL-centered database update (AHL, ECHL, USHL, NCAA should be fine as well). I guarantee nothing if you select other playable leagues. In fact, you will notice several leagues completely unplayable like the KHL - because I am in the process of moving teams around for 17-18 but without a league schedule update, you can't play them. Selecting any other random league could easily crash your game. Don't say I didn't warn you...
- Lots of KHL and Euro transfers are in fact updated...I've done most of the KHL except the top 5-6 clubs and most Euro transfer related to recent NHL players and/or players with NHL rights. But not even close to being totally comprehensive.
- I've put lots of work into the USHL/NCAA...almost all complete Fall 2017 freshman classes for all NCAA teams are updated along with tons and tons of future recruits. USNTDP is updated for the '00 and '01 classes and even stuck a few likely '02 guys in there.
- CHL is updated only so far as it relates to drafted players and top prospect soon to be draft eligible. The recent CHL import draft has NOT yet been included but I plan on adding players and rights later - although I DID put Svechnikov on Barrie because, yeah, that's happening!
***OTHER STUFF***
- For NHL contracted players with CHL rights...if they are '97 born, they start the year on the NHL depth charts and can optionally be sent down for their overage year. If they are '98 born, they start on loan to their junior team unless they are a top, top prospect (ie, highly unlikely Sergachev plays another season in Windsor). You can always cancel the loan. Of course we won't really know how this shakes out until close to the start of the season. There are also Euro guys on NHL contracts who are confirmed via EliteProspects to be loaned back to Europe for 17/18 so they are taken care of.
- For NCAA guys...you will notice a lot of the top prospects in the NCAA have predetermined future transfers to their NHL clubs. If I don't do this NHL teams really decimate NCAA rosters during the seasons by signing guys in mid-season - which is not realistic. This keeps top NCAA clubs in tact through the full year.
- Also have a few future Russian top transfers to NHL clubs built in after their KHL contracts end...ie Sorokin, Shestyorkin, Gusev, Gavrikov, etc. Dadonov starts the game as an UFA with a strong liking for Vegas...but anybody can try and sign him
- Major LTIR injuries should be in there (Hossa, Horton, Lupul, Franzen, Clarkson, etc - these guys will be out for 12+ months and a lot of them just retire) but otherwise with injuries, you start with a clean slate.
***KNOWN BUGS***
- One bug I know of is a few player (RFAs) who have correct NHL rights set still end up as UFAs. Three guys I know this was affecting were Dotchin, Stolarz and Gillies - all are likely to be re-signed so I went ahead and gave them one year deals so you can't cheat the system. There may be a few more I missed...it also may affect a few prospects - Nikita Gusev was one, he doesn't show up in the Vegas depth charts or prospect list but I gave him a future transfer after his KHL deal to Vegas so it shouldn't matter.
Final Note: I have not done much testing to be honest, it's taken a long time just to get contracts and 16/17 stats updated. So let me know how things go, especially if you are playing as Vegas!