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testing data - "draft classes" (by YOB)

Post by nino33 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:33 am

I've done some recent testing using the TBL 11.2 database and the ECK 3.2 database.

In this thread I'll be posting data from the same testing, looking at the PA of "draft classes" (using Year Of Birth rather than actual draft classes for ease on compiling the data)



I've got the PA data by birth year divided by position (G-D-F), and...
  • looking at players age 19-33 in the database at startup (1985-1999 YOB)
  • looking at "near future drafts" (2000-2009 YOB)
  • looking at drafts 20-30 years in the future (2020-2030 YOB)
I've got a third test save using 11.2 but checking the boxes to add all possible players before startup, and I'll be posting that data too for at least the near future drafts time period.

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Post by nino33 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:43 am

There are 5 different PA categories/ranges...
100-200
150-200 (in blue)
120-139
140-169
170-200


I've also noted the CA range for...
the top 10 goaltenders by CA
the top 20 defensemen by CA
the top 40 forwards by CA


ALSO - I added to the goaltender data, in the far right column, the total number of players for that Year Of Birth (all positions, CA 1-200)




Goaltenders age 19-33 in the database at startup (1985-1999 YOB)


TBL 11.2
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 10 CA Age (YEAR-YOB) total players for YOB
1985 G 23 2 3 3 0 110-159 33 1148
1986 G 27 6 5 7 0 122-161 32 1222
1987 G 35 3 12 3 1 122-168 31 2039
1988 G 33 3 11 7 1 128-163 30 2025
1989 G 28 3 8 4 1 118-163 29 2069
1990 G 38 3 10 5 0 120-151 28 2230
1991 G 38 2 9 5 0 115-158 27 2220
1992 G 55 1 16 6 0 125-150 26 2386
1993 G 55 4 13 6 1 120-175 25 2398
1994 G 47 3 14 6 1 120-171 24 2732
1995 G 65 4 24 3 1 115-156 23 3186
1996 G 57 2 28 3 0 102-139 22 3410
1997 G 60 2 16 2 1 95-120 21 2842
1998 G 51 4 18 8 0 100-150 20 3042
1999 G 55 6 11 11 2 95-120 19 2669



ECK 3.2
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 10 CA Age (YEAR-YOB) total players for YOB
1985 G 21 2 2 3 0 102-162 33 875
1986 G 26 5 6 5 1 120-174 32 969
1987 G 32 2 11 2 1 120-180 31 1571
1988 G 28 3 8 2 1 120-176 30 1620
1989 G 24 3 5 1 2 110-184 29 1689
1990 G 34 3 10 3 0 116-164 28 1871
1991 G 38 2 7 2 1 114-168 27 1858
1992 G 43 1 9 1 0 110-154 26 1995
1993 G 51 3 12 1 3 110-176 25 2034
1994 G 59 2 15 2 2 108-180 24 2352
1995 G 76 6 21 5 2 106-140 23 2752
1996 G 67 1 22 2 0 100-115 22 3072
1997 G 71 6 21 11 0 94-110 21 2758
1998 G 70 6 24 10 0 95-140 20 2943
1999 G 76 5 21 6 1 90-104 19 2712

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Post by nino33 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:47 am

Defensemen age 19-33 in the database at startup (1985-1999 YOB)


TBL 11.2
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 20 CA Age (YEAR-YOB)
1985 D 71 5 19 6 2 122-176 33
1986 D 74 5 21 8 0 122-153 32
1987 D 67 4 27 8 0 125-160 31
1988 D 83 1 21 4 0 118-152 30
1989 D 101 6 32 9 2 124-168 29
1990 D 123 9 42 18 3 127-176 28
1991 D 116 12 39 15 0 128-164 27
1992 D 138 7 49 14 0 128-160 26
1993 D 144 7 44 14 0 128-156 25
1994 D 169 14 51 21 1 134-165 24
1995 D 182 4 53 14 0 124-154 23
1996 D 153 3 50 9 1 110-159 22
1997 D 158 17 55 18 0 117-160 21
1998 D 178 5 63 11 1 110-147 20
1999 D 136 6 54 10 1 90-150 19



ECK 3.2
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 20 CA Age (YEAR-YOB)
1985 D 64 7 8 7 3 120-190 33
1986 D 81 4 17 4 1 120-174 32
1987 D 68 5 20 7 2 122-184 31
1988 D 83 2 21 3 0 120-160 30
1989 D 109 8 24 7 3 124-186 29
1990 D 149 19 39 19 6 142-192 28
1991 D 156 15 35 12 4 130-172 27
1992 D 178 7 39 23 1 132-176 26
1993 D 195 12 47 14 5 128-166 25
1994 D 203 23 66 25 11 144-176 24
1995 D 233 8 62 18 5 124-164 23
1996 D 235 8 67 18 2 118-166 22
1997 D 275 17 70 20 5 118-164 21
1998 D 274 20 76 25 4 114-156 20
1999 D 268 19 66 25 5 100-150 19

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Post by nino33 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:48 am

Forwards age 19-33 in the database at startup (1985-1999 YOB)


TBL 11.2
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 40 CA Age (YEAR-YOB)
1985 F 128 5 43 7 2 118-188 33
1986 F 131 7 46 9 1 127-175 32
1987 F 147 8 53 12 2 124-190 31
1988 F 171 9 60 12 3 124-175 30
1989 F 160 9 43 17 1 122-178 29
1990 F 189 12 63 16 1 122-170 28
1991 F 223 12 74 21 1 128-168 27
1992 F 288 17 90 32 1 130-169 26
1993 F 239 13 81 25 2 128-175 25
1994 F 509 27 165 51 2 134-171 24
1995 F 318 10 90 26 2 124-169 23
1996 F 326 23 88 31 5 134-163 22
1997 F 329 23 74 25 9 110-180 21
1998 F 305 24 90 31 3 106-159 20
1999 F 309 22 89 32 3 98-149 19



ECK 3.2
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 40 CA Age (YEAR-YOB)
1985 F 100 6 15 7 2 112-196 33
1986 F 118 5 27 4 3 115-190 32
1987 F 117 7 25 9 4 118-196 31
1988 F 141 9 31 6 4 118-190 30
1989 F 131 11 20 12 3 114-176 29
1990 F 181 12 27 9 3 114-192 28
1991 F 195 17 48 14 6 118-186 27
1992 F 261 21 57 20 8 120-186 26
1993 F 236 16 55 13 9 116-190 25
1994 F 309 15 58 17 7 116-174 24
1995 F 348 14 83 21 6 114-184 23
1996 F 369 27 87 27 8 114-180 22
1997 F 387 18 102 31 7 105-196 21
1998 F 393 28 108 37 4 98-166 20
1999 F 400 34 111 48 6 94-160 19

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Post by nino33 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:44 am

So, looking at the startup data...


  • For players (all positions) with a 100-200 PA, the ECK database has 10% more (ECK 6973, TBL 6332)
  • For players (all positions) with a 150-200 PA, the ECK database has 24% more (ECK 464, TBL 374)
  • For players (all positions) with a 170-200 PA, the ECK database has 160% more (ECK 151, TBL 58)

  • For goaltenders with a 100-200 PA, the ECK database has 7% more (ECK 716, TBL 667)
  • For goaltenders with a 150-200 PA, the two databases are really close (ECK 50, TBL 48)
  • For goaltenders with a 170-200 PA, the ECK database has 56% more (ECK 14, TBL 9)

  • For defensemen with a 100-200 PA, the ECK database has 36% more (ECK 2571, TBL 1893)
  • For defensemen with a 150-200 PA, the ECK database has 66% more (ECK 174, TBL 105)
  • For defensemen with a 170-200 PA, there's a huge difference (ECK 57, TBL 11)

  • For forwards with a 100-200 PA, the TBL database has 2% more (TBL 3772, ECK 3686)
  • For forwards with a 150-200 PA, the ECK database has 9% more (ECK 240, TBL 221)
  • For forwards with a 170-200 PA, the ECK database has 111% more (ECK 80, TBL 38)

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Post by nino33 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:40 pm

Here's the PA data by birth year, divided by position (G-D-F), looking at "near future drafts"

TBL 11.2 + refers to the third test save I did using 11.2 but checking the boxes to add all possible players before startup (thus the + added to the database name)




Goaltenders at age 19, years 2019-2028 ingame (2000-2009 YOB)
FYI - the data is taken from the day after the NHL Draft in June of each year


TBL 11.2
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 10 CA Age (YEAR-YOB) total players for YOB
2000 G 49 6 15 11 0 84-130 19 2540
2001 G 31 4 11 8 0 85-120 19 1848
2002 G 35 6 7 11 0 85-109 19 2067
2003 G 109 6 34 12 0 91-111 19 10546
2004 G 108 9 26 6 4 100-128 19 12340
2005 G 76 5 20 8 0 92-129 19 7197
2006 G 55 4 18 5 0 95-115 19 4692
2007 G 44 4 8 4 1 85-118 19 4611
2008 G 52 6 14 11 0 100-129 19 5423
2009 G 31 0 11 2 0 89-120 19 6670



ECK 3.2
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 10 CA Age (YEAR-YOB) total players for YOB
2000 G 66 8 24 11 0 84-110 19 2486
2001 G 50 13 18 16 1 82-116 19 1778
2002 G 30 9 9 11 1 85-94 19 2058
2003 G 108 9 30 12 3 90-112 19 8529
2004 G 131 7 37 15 1 93-106 19 10883
2005 G 95 10 20 11 3 98-114 19 7561
2006 G 45 3 10 6 2 90-106 19 4862
2007 G 75 7 20 6 2 92-110 19 5320
2008 G 75 3 27 3 0 90-110 19 6192
2009 G 74 4 18 4 1 92-110 19 7208



TBL 11.2 +
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 10 CA Age (YEAR-YOB) total players for YOB
2000 G 49 3 15 8 0 80-110 19 2914
2001 G 49 7 16 7 2 86-115 19 3014
2002 G 42 5 11 5 2 89-122 19 3998
2003 G 153 12 51 18 3 88-127 19 15979
2004 G 154 13 51 18 1 91-106 19 17685
2005 G 83 4 22 8 0 91-100 19 8676
2006 G 49 5 18 8 0 90-98 19 5072
2007 G 40 5 8 6 0 88-105 19 6241
2008 G 57 5 11 7 1 92-107 19 8086
2009 G 52 5 15 10 0 95-110 19 10548

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Defensemen at age 19, years 2019-2028 ingame (2000-2009 YOB)
FYI - the data is taken from the day after the NHL Draft in June of each year




TBL 11.2
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 20 CA Age (YEAR-YOB)
2000 D 135 8 56 13 1 90-157 19
2001 D 116 22 34 30 0 90-120 19
2002 D 107 13 40 18 0 91-120 19
2003 D 329 29 81 28 11 100-124 19
2004 D 281 18 73 26 4 100-129 19
2005 D 169 5 31 8 0 93-126 19
2006 D 151 4 41 8 0 95-116 19
2007 D 120 1 40 4 0 94-120 19
2008 D 119 1 24 2 1 92-122 19
2009 D 124 3 35 4 1 93-126 19


ECK 3.2
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 20 CA Age (YEAR-YOB)
2000 D 276 19 84 41 2 102-162 19
2001 D 207 39 56 54 4 100-116 19
2002 D 172 28 54 36 5 94-120 19
2003 D 340 41 98 50 11 98-116 19
2004 D 348 29 88 34 6 100-116 19
2005 D 309 23 64 27 4 97-116 19
2006 D 307 14 56 15 4 97-110 19
2007 D 287 11 52 18 2 98-117 19
2008 D 269 10 58 12 7 98-112 19
2009 D 237 10 41 17 2 99-110 19



TBL 11.2 +
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 20 CA Age (YEAR-YOB)
2000 D 159 16 51 20 3 95-157 19
2001 D 166 20 58 32 7 89-128 19
2002 D 217 26 75 34 5 92-122 19
2003 D 576 71 148 76 15 96-128 19
2004 D 569 51 160 54 19 102-130 19
2005 D 270 17 73 22 4 95-119 19
2006 D 130 4 43 4 1 89-116 19
2007 D 116 5 29 9 1 91-107 19
2008 D 118 3 33 4 1 90-100 19
2009 D 161 5 40 8 1 93-111 19

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Post by nino33 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:36 pm

Forwards at age 19, years 2019-2028 ingame (2000-2009 YOB)
FYI - the data is taken from the day after the NHL Draft in June of each year




TBL 11.2
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 40 CA Age (YEAR-YOB)
2000 F 280 23 86 35 4 91-141 19
2001 F 235 28 77 44 5 94-128 19
2002 F 295 29 99 41 10 94-131 19
2003 F 642 57 179 69 11 101-130 19
2004 F 712 55 169 56 14 107-132 19
2005 F 645 27 142 33 8 98-133 19
2006 F 319 4 80 9 0 93-125 19
2007 F 239 4 78 8 0 95-124 19
2008 F 256 5 82 11 2 98-122 19
2009 F 256 10 59 13 1 95-119 19



ECK 3.2
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 40 CA Age (YEAR-YOB)
2000 F 363 38 136 52 2 99-163 19
2001 F 340 65 133 89 8 101-150 19
2002 F 307 59 92 75 13 91-120 19
2003 F 723 114 201 111 31 105-123 19
2004 F 710 66 174 65 22 100-117 19
2005 F 520 30 117 30 10 96-116 19
2006 F 453 16 85 23 9 96-114 19
2007 F 437 23 89 31 6 98-120 19
2008 F 407 21 88 23 8 96-114 19
2009 F 440 18 94 16 8 97-156 19



TBL 11.2 +
YOB POS 100-200 150-200 120-139 140-169 170-200 Top 40 CA Age (YEAR-YOB)
2000 F 306 26 98 37 6 91-142 19
2001 F 344 51 106 63 11 92-128 19
2002 F 467 53 138 64 17 96-128 19
2003 F 1316 153 419 164 37 103-130 19
2004 F 1357 138 376 150 40 110-134 19
2005 F 574 35 167 49 6 104-125 19
2006 F 333 4 90 10 1 89-112 19
2007 F 284 10 80 16 3 91-123 19
2008 F 302 11 67 15 3 95-112 19
2009 F 361 8 62 13 1 93-110 19

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Post by nino33 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:22 pm

So, looking at the “near future drafts” data...


• Players (all positions) with a 100-200 PA: TBL+ 8854, ECK 8201, TBL 6110
• Players (all positions) with a 150-200 PA: TBL+ 771, ECK 747, TBL 396
• Players (all positions) with a 170-200 PA: TBL+ 191, ECK 178, TBL 78

• Goaltenders with a 100-200 PA: ECK 749, TBL+ 728, TBL 690
• Goaltenders with a 150-200 PA: ECK 73, TBL+ 64, TBL 50
• Goaltenders with a 170-200 PA: ECK 14, TBL+ 10, TBL 5

• Defensemen with a 100-200 PA: ECK 2752, TBL+ 2482, TBL 1651
• Defensemen with a 150-200 PA: ECK 224, TBL+ 218, TBL 104
• Defensemen with a 170-200 PA: TBL+ 57, ECK 47, TBL 18

• Forwards with a 100-200 PA: TBL+ 5644, ECK 4700, TBL 3879
• Forwards with a 150-200 PA: TBL+ 489, ECK 450, TBL 242
• Forwards with a 170-200 PA: TBL+ 125, ECK 117, TBL 55

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Post by nino33 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:15 pm

Something I've noticed during the data compiling - players potential "secondary positions" (and the frequency of their being a 1)

What I mean by secondary positions is
- LD for RD
- RD for LD
- C and RW for a LW
- C and LW for a RW
- RW and LW for a C

I'm not sure they should ever be 1, but they IMO really shouldn't be for anyone with a junior level or higher (and NHLers just shouldn't have a 1).

Wouldn't most players at most CA/PA levels have at least a 6-10 or a 7-10 in their position's secondary position(s)?




What I'm talking about is, for example
  • LD with a 20 for LD and a 1 for RD
  • RW with a 20 for RW and a 1 for C and a 1 for LW

From recent testing, using TBL 11.2 + after 10 years of simming
  • Out of 11,069 LD, 33% have a 1 for RD (and also when below 10 the secondary position is disproportionately a 1 - 3,623 LD have a 1 for RD, in comparison to only 247 LD that have 2-9 for RD.....)
  • looking at Player Roles for those receiving a 1 it seemed to be all types
  • seems to affect all CA levels too (28% of LD with a 150-200 CA have a 1 for RD; 28% of LD with a 130-200 CA have a 1 for RD; 43% of LD with a 100-200 CA have a 1 for RD)

From the same testing
  • Out of 11,937 RW 37% (4,451) have a 1 for C and a 1 for LW
  • For 33 of the 4,451 it's a a little weird - these players have a 20 for RW, a 1 for C and LW, and a 19 for RD! and a defensive Player Role! (the 33 players had a variety of defensive Player Roles)

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