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Asst. Coach affects

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:53 am
by Coyote of the Sea
(searched but couldn't find any, if there was a thread then my bad for not searching harder)

Playing with the USA U20 i had this question, what do assistant coaches affect outside of practice? as afar as i've seen i can practice with my players so i am wondering if having assistants will do anything? btw i do have a head coach.

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:23 pm
by bruins72
I'm guessing they help run the bench (man management, motivation, discipline) but I'm not certain.

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:14 pm
by B. Stinson
I've always assumed the same as bruins. Their skills(or lack of skills) probably get thrown into the mix, like they do in practice.

I'd say treat them as if they do certainly have an impact, just to be safe. :thup:

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:53 pm
by vilifyingforce
I would think that garbage asst. coaches would be worse then having no asst. coaches at all.

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:12 pm
by B. Stinson
dybbuk wrote:I would think that garbage asst. coaches would be worse then having no asst. coaches at all.
The way I see it, I think you're right.

Because a bad coach will drag down the rest with his bad abilities; Not having him at all will free that dead weight from the team.

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:15 pm
by Coyote of the Sea
ahh kay, so like if my Assistant coach is great in tactical but bad in adaptability, my team will be less able to adapt to situations, but better at executing tactics? (assuming the HC has high adapt, low tact)

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:56 pm
by vilifyingforce
adaptability iirc, has to do with playing styles, for example. If your asst. has a defensive patient style with very low adaptability, and you play a run'n'gun style (very attractive fyi :-D) your asst. either suffers a penalty to all attributes, or there is a "settling" in period. forget which, possibly both.

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:04 pm
by Coyote of the Sea
ahh okay. good to know run and gun works well, love run and gun (well and checking the living **** out of my opponents)

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:15 pm
by vilifyingforce
Well, I use a modified run'n'gun. Tweaked things around stole bits off of slapshot and messed around abit. Of course I switch between run'n'gun and a dump'n'chase style to shake things up in the playoffs.

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:45 pm
by B. Stinson
Adaptability also plays a role in how well the person in question can deal with the country he's in. So make sure your foreign staff and players can adapt, or else you may very well end up dealing with their trouble settling into the new lifestyle. ;)

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:12 am
by Coyote of the Sea
B. Stinson wrote:Adaptability also plays a role in how well the person in question can deal with the country he's in. So make sure your foreign staff and players can adapt, or else you may very well end up dealing with their trouble settling into the new lifestyle. ;)
well being a U20, don't think i'll hafta worry about that ;)

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:01 am
by markiemark66
Here's a question:
I can get a defense coach that has a patient style but has slightly better stats than my current defense coach whose style is defensive. Is patient close to or the same as defense style?

Thanks.

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:21 pm
by bruins72
I believe so. I think it means a slower and cautious defensive style. I could be wrong though. One thing to keep in mind is the adaptability rating of that defense coach. If he likes a different style of game than your head coach, you'll want him to have a decent adaptability rating so he can adapt to doing things the head coach's way.

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:06 pm
by markiemark66
Ok so here's my examples.

my page

Melrose (1st pic) is my current defense coach and I am considering Rick Cornacchia (2nd pic).


B72, so the styles are slightly different. And like you mentioned about the adaptability of the possible replacement coach is lower than I'd like. My team is doing very well but I am always searching for more advantages.

Is it worth it?

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:13 pm
by bruins72
What style is your head coach? Is he a defensive style like Melrose or is he patient like this new guy? Or is he some other style all together? That's where the adaptability rating comes into play. Your assistants have to adapt to your head coach's style of play.

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:50 pm
by selne
Don't think too much about this adaptability stuff. What you need but don't have is some techniques. Both coaches from your pictures have general (not technique) based coaching style.

Bruins, I wished we had a practice guide. :-p :**

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:56 pm
by bruins72
Good point, selne! Technique-based coaching would help.

As for a practice guide... if someone were properly motivated to go through the practice thread and compile info, I'm sure a practice guide would be a welcome addition.

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:25 pm
by markiemark66
Mike Babcock is the head coach. He is technique based coaching style and prefers straightforward attacking style of play.

So I need a coach w/ technique based coaching style?

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:54 pm
by batdad
This is in the guide.

A conditioning style coach is best for practice in the CONDITIONING AREA.
A technique style coach is best for teaching skills (O Skill, D Skill, shooting)
A general style coach works for all of them, as he is a little conditioning a little technique.

SO I always have a conditioning coach, and try and have two technique coaches to split duties. I also usually end up with one or two general coaches. You also have to watch your attributes and make sure they are high in areas such as determination, adaptability, teaching Dmen, teaching F, teaching G. They do not have to be high in all of them, but you want them to be good at more than just one thing.

Also....make sure you have coaches (I have 2) with strong tactical knowledge--who support the STYLE of play the head coach prefers.

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:36 am
by AvesFan101
I found this a while ago.
This guide to practice was written by one of our forum members, mplasse, upon request by site staff. It's a brilliant article with loads of great information in it so make sure you give it a read!!

INTRODUCTION

The two most important aspects of any EHM game are tactics and practice. Successful tactics can take many forms depending on the player’s preference for offense or defense. Practices however, require a much more linear approach. A team practice schedule is all about pushing players to their maximum potential (and insuring they stay there) while keeping them from becoming tired and injured. So, while there are numerous ways to set up your team tactics, there is only one effective way to set up team practices for maximum efficiency. This guide aims at providing all the necessary information towards understanding and effectively setting up a maximized team practice schedule.


COACHING THE PRACTICES

First step to setting up a practice schedule is assigning the coaches to the appropriate practice areas. It is important to analyze and break down every coach into their strengths and weaknesses. Before analyzing the coaching staff however, it is necessary to understand what certain coaching attributes do, along with how they relate to the practice schedule. There are seven practice areas, and the relevant attributes required for each are listed below;

Conditioning - Level Of Discipline, Motivating
Skating - Coaching Defensemen, Coaching Forwards
Shooting - Coaching Defensemen, Coaching Forwards
Off. Skill - Coaching Defensemen, Coaching Forwards
Def. Skill - Coaching Defensemen, Coaching Forwards
Tactics - Tactical Knowledge
Goaltending - Coaching Goalies

Aside from the list above there are a few more very important attributes that help flesh out a coach’s ability to train players, and these are listed below;

Determination: A coach’s level of determination will indicate how hard he will work to improve players. The higher the determination, the higher the improvement in player attributes. A coach weak in this attribute will cause player attributes to improve by a small amount or not at all.

Man Management: A coach’s level of man management will indicate how well he manages the players. The higher the man management, the faster player attributes will improve. A coach weak in this attribute will cause player attributes to improve slowly or not at all.

Working w/Youngsters: A coach’s level of working with youngsters will indicate how well he interacts with young players (players of age 22 or less). The higher the working with youngsters, the more likely it is for young players to reach their maximum potential. A coach weak in this attribute will cause young players to only reach a certain percentage of their maximum potential attribute values.

Naturally, if you have a strong coach and a weak coach in a practice area then the weak coach will drag the strong coach down and slow the progress of the players in that practice area. It should also be noted, that technique based coaches help players progress faster and should be hired whenever possible. Every practice area should have two coaches assigned and a coach should never be assigned to more then four practice areas at one time. This will insure maximum coaching effectiveness.

Taking all the above information into consideration should now simplify the process of selecting the appropriate coaches for each practice area. It is not uncommon to see certain coaches assigned to only one or two practice areas. Goalie coaches are a perfect example, as they commonly specialize as goalie coaches only. As long as every practice area has two coaches assigned and no coach is assigned more than four practice areas then maximum coaching effectiveness will be achieved.

SETTING UP THE PRACTICES

Second step to setting up a practice schedule is assigning the practice area intensities to the different practice drills. Before assigning the intensities however, it is necessary to understand what the different practice areas improve and how they relate to the various practice drills. The seven practice areas and the relevant attributes they improve are listed below;

Conditioning - Agility / Stamina / Strength
Skating - Acceleration / Balance / Speed
Tactics - Teamwork
Shooting - Deflections / Slapshot / Wristshot
Off. Skill - Deking / Passing / Stickhandling
Def. Skill - Checking / Hitting / Pokecheck / Positioning
Goaltending - Blocker / Glove / Positioning / Rebound Control

The difficult part of setting up a practice schedule lies in correctly identifying the intensity levels required for each practice area per practice drill. There are ten practice drills in total and the intensity levels for each practice area per drill, followed by a proper explanation are listed below;


Resting:
Conditioning - None
Skating - None
Tactics - None
Shooting - None
Off. Skill - None
Def. Skill - None
Goaltending - None

General:
Conditioning - Medium
Skating - Medium
Tactics - Medium
Shooting - Medium
Off. Skill - Medium
Def. Skill - Medium
Goaltending - None

Fitness:
Conditioning - Intensive
Skating - Intensive
Tactics - Medium
Shooting - Medium
Off. Skill - Medium
Def. Skill - Intensive
Goaltending - None

Skating:
Conditioning - Intensive
Skating - Intensive
Tactics - Medium
Shooting - Intensive
Off. Skill - Medium
Def. Skill - Medium
Goaltending - None

Shooting:
Conditioning - Medium
Skating - Intensive
Tactics - Medium
Shooting - Intensive
Off. Skill - Medium
Def. Skill - Intensive
Goaltending - None

Off. Skill:
Conditioning - Medium
Skating - Intensive
Tactics - Medium
Shooting - Intensive
Off. Skill - Intensive
Def. Skill - Medium
Goaltending - None

Def. Skill:
Conditioning - Medium
Skating - Intensive
Tactics - Medium
Shooting - Medium
Off. Skill - Intensive
Def. Skill - Intensive
Goaltending - None

Tactics:
Conditioning - Intensive
Skating - Medium
Tactics - Medium
Shooting - Intensive
Off. Skill - Medium
Def. Skill - Intensive
Goaltending - None

Goalies:
Conditioning - Intensive
Skating - Intensive
Tactics - Medium
Shooting - None
Off. Skill - Medium
Def. Skill - Medium
Goaltending - Intensive

Unused:
Conditioning - Intensive
Skating - Intensive
Tactics - Intensive
Shooting - Intensive
Off. Skill - Intensive
Def. Skill - Intensive
Goaltending - None

Examining the setup above will bring about a realization. Almost all the practice drills include three ‘intensive’, three ‘medium’ and one ‘none’ with regards to practice area intensities. The three drills excluded from this setup are the resting, general and unused drills. These three particular drills each serve a unique purpose and a brief explanation of each follows.

The resting practice drill is not a real practice drill per say but it does serve two purposes. First, any injured player will automatically be placed under this drill until the player is able to play once again. Secondly, this drill is where any fatigued player should be placed until properly rested. Before each game, the player’s condition rate should be checked and any player whose condition rate falls below 90% should be taken off their current practice drill and placed on the rest practice drill for a day or more if necessary. The general practice drill is fairly generic and of very little use. Typically, players called up from a farm team (who are only expected to fill in for a short time period) are placed on this particular drill. The unused practice drill is actually… well, used. A team will typically have a few players (spares) who are on the roster but only play under certain circumstances (injuries and fatigue being the usual reason). These players, regardless of lack of ice time, need to be game ready at all times and so are placed under the unused practice drill.

As for the practice area intensities, setting them up as above has proven to be the most efficient way at maximizing a player’s increase in attributes versus their fatigue/injury proneness.

USING THE PRACTICES

Next step to setting up a practice schedule is assigning players to the different practice drills. Before assigning players however, it is necessary to understand the relationship between players and the various practice drills. Each drill has its purpose and in the run of a season, all ten drills will be in use at one time or another. A full explanation regarding the use of practice drills during a season follows below.

For the purpose of this guide the date of August 15th will be recognized as the beginning of a new season. Reason for this, is two-fold. First, a start date to a new season is required so a general time-line can be established and followed. Second, August 15th (give or take a day or two) is the date players will begin to raise their condition levels in preparation of the upcoming season.

The number one priority for a team at the beginning of every season is getting the players back into game shape. From the season start (August 15th), all players should be placed on the general practice drill. If players are placed on the other drills, you will see attribute improvement quite quickly but at the cost of extreme fatigue (likely leading to injury) due to the players low condition rating. Players need to work at becoming game ready. They cannot be thrown into intensive practice drills and expect to come out unharmed. A team will want to keep its players on the general practice drill for approximately a month.

After a month of the above practice schedule, players conditioning ratings should be up to par to commence the real practice drills. At this point the goal still lies in getting the players back into game shape. It is time to step up the physical aspect of training and get the players sweating! The fitness and skating drills are considered the physical practice drills and the players will be placed on these two drills. Defensemen will be placed on the fitness drill while forwards will be placed on the skating drill. Placing all the players on these two physical practice drills will improve the agility, stamina, strength, acceleration, balance and speed of every player. Players should be kept on these two practice drills for approximately a month (or two if necessary). This will insure they are in shape for the upcoming year!

Following the month (or two) of physical training mentioned above, it will become time to again make adjustments to the players practice schedules. From this point on, the focus switches from physical training to technical training and players will be placed under the practice drills which will maximize their individual potential levels. It is very important that players do not become stereotyped into certain roles such as centers, wingers, defensemen etc… Stereotyping players can and will lead a team to incorrect assumptions and players will not reach their full potential. Do not for example, place wingers under the shooting drill, centers under the off. skill drill and defensemen under the def. skill drill. Following this method of thought may see player improvement but will not see maximum player improvement which is the ultimate goal of this guide. A more detailed explanation follows below:

For the purpose of this example, Alexander Svitov will be the player examined. Svitov is a 2001 first round draft pick who is currently playing in the AHL but is ready to make a break into the NHL.

A player such as Alexander Svitov is very unpredictable. Svitov can become a very good two-way player (3rd line), a defensive specialist (4th line) or even a reliable 25-30 goal scorer (2nd line) and this is all dependant on his development through the practice schedule. Examining Svitov’s attributes will clarify a few things of note. First, it is very apparent that he is a hard working and determined individual. Secondly, his technical and physical attributes are average. Based on his attributes it is not readily apparent what role Svitov would play on a team. As mentioned above he could play many different roles dependant on his progression as a hockey player through the next few years.

If a team were to use the ‘stereotype’ approach then Svitov, being a center, would be placed on the off. skill practice drill. Sure enough, Svitov would see improvement using this practice schedule but Svitov’s maximum potential would never be reached, thus significantly lowering the usefulness of this first round draft pick. Here is the reason why; under the off. skill practice drill Svitov will improve his attributes in the relevant areas (skating, shooting, off. skill) but that is the only place he will see improvement. His other attributes, mainly his defensive attributes will become stagnant or in some circumstances, even begin decreasing! Continuing on with this practice schedule for Svitov will result in a player who will eventually fill one of the roles mentioned above but he will never come to realize his full potential.

The key (and this is very important) to avoiding players from not reaching their full potential is in knowing each and every player. It cannot be stressed enough, how important it is that each player be treated as a separate individual and not simply placed in any stereotypical group. This is easier said then done but with time it becomes easier. A team can closely observe how a player progresses through the practice area and as the months and years go by it will become apparent what a player is good at naturally and what they need practice on. Again, let’s continue the example with Svitov:

Since Svitov’s defensive attributes seem to stagnate (sometimes even decreasing) it would make sense to try placing him on the def. skill practice drill. Reason being, is that the only difference between the off. skill and def. skill practice drill lays with the shooting and def. skill practice areas. On closer inspection, it will be noticed that switching Svitov from one drill to the other will cause him to practice shooting on medium (originally intensive) while practice def. skill on intensive (previously medium). This will hopefully keep his attributes that were already improving, to continue improving (or at the least stagnate and not begin lowering) while beginning to increase his defensive attributes. Sure enough, after a month or two, it will become evident that Svitov is improving drastically. His offensive attributes are still increasing (even after placing his shooting practice area from intensive to medium!) while his defensive attributes are finally increasing also! Svitov will have almost every attribute increasing! Now he is beginning to reach his maximum potential and can play any of the three roles mentioned above dependant on the teams needs! Now that is a first round draft choice who reaches maximum potential!

Understanding a player on an individual level comes through examining the player during their training over the months and years (as Svitov’s example above). Switching Svitov from the original off. skill to def. skill practice drill made a huge difference in his improvement levels. Svitov was able to switch his shooting practice area from intensive to medium and yet still improve his shooting attributes. This in turn gave room for Svitov to practice his def. skill attributes on intensive hence increasing his defensive attributes where previously on medium they were stagnant or even lowering.

That is the KEY,

Specifically, what practice area on medium will still increase a player’s attributes so that the attributes that are stagnant or lowering can be practiced on intensive and hence increased?

A team that answers the above question for every player will see an increase in almost every attribute for that player.

Continuing on with placing players from the fitness and skating physical drills to the more technical practice drills, you will want to use the above philosophy to place players in the correct practice drills. As an aside, a team may find some players are best suited for the fitness and skating practice drills even after the first month (or two). Some younger and older players usually can be found in this category. Younger players need to continue developing their physical attributes to get up to NHL standards while the older players find it harder to stay in top physical shape and need the continued physical training just to stay competitive.

Once players have been placed on their proper practice schedule they can remain on said schedule until the end of the hockey season including play-offs. It should be mentioned, that some teams and players may notice an increase of injuries during the play-offs. If this happens to be the case then it is recommended during this time to shift all players from their current practice drills to the general practice drill. This should insure that most attributes will remain the same or lower very little while the practices will be of lighter intensity, hence keeping player’s injury free for the rugged and more injury prone play-off games.

When the play-offs are finished for a team or if a team does not make the play-offs then all players should immediately be placed from their current practice drills to the resting practice drill until the beginning of the next season (August 15th give or take a day or two). From there, the cycle commences anew with the added addition of knowing your players for a year longer!

CONCLUSION

Taking everything mentioned above into consideration might be a daunting task and more so, it is important to realize that not everything is 100% guaranteed or foolproof. There are a lot of factors that dictate what kind of player a player will be along with how well or much a player’s ability will improve. Using the philosophies from this guide however, will hopefully create a drastic improvement in everyone’s ability to understand and improve their team through their players and their training.


Mplasse, October 2005.

Written by Spitfire on Tuesday 30th November 1999 - 00:00

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:50 am
by markiemark66
Sweet! Thanks AvesFan.

Thanks Batdad. I have read over and over every piece of literature on this game I could find. I am just at the point of needing human to human Q&A. Thank you for the knowledge.

I am still looking for just the right coach and I have to admit it is not easy. Too bad the text search doesn't work on the filters!

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:27 am
by Hensel
Depends your style of play and age

I recommend a coach with a high working with youngsters arttribute and one for offense, goaltending and defense. Your HC should have high hockey tactics.

Thats what I do and it develops the players the quickest I find :thup:

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:08 pm
by bruins72
markiemark66 wrote:Mike Babcock is the head coach. He is technique based coaching style and prefers straightforward attacking style of play.

So I need a coach w/ technique based coaching style?
Technique based coaches are good for teaching skills, like Offensive, Defensive, and Goaltending. That's totally unrelated to the rest of your question though. Mike Babcock is your head coach and he prefers an attacking style of play. So neither your current defensive coach nor the prospective new one really mesh with Babcock's style. That's where the Adaptability rating comes into play. That attribute dictates how well that coach can adapt to a different style of play. I usually like to see this be at least 10 or over if that assistant's style doesn't match the head coach's style.

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:11 pm
by bruins72
markiemark66 wrote:Sweet! Thanks AvesFan.

Thanks Batdad. I have read over and over every piece of literature on this game I could find. I am just at the point of needing human to human Q&A. Thank you for the knowledge.

I am still looking for just the right coach and I have to admit it is not easy. Too bad the text search doesn't work on the filters!
Honestly, you'd learn quite a bit if you read through the practice thread. It's not just about practice regimens. It's also got info about the coaches, like what Batdad was explaining.

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:15 pm
by bruins72
AvesFan101, was that from this site or did you find it elsewhere? That 1999 date at the bottom doesn't quite make sense though. EHM (other than the freeware version which was vastly different) didn't exist at that point. Anyhow, I'd like to add this to the EHM knowledge base but I'd like to have the blessing of the person who wrote it.