EHM The Blue Line

Myself, Alessandro and Marek (aka Hobbit13) are working on a project to update the league rules and structures for all playable leagues within EHM 2007. Marek and Alessandro have been doing some brilliant work figuring out how the rules and structures are stored in the game already and I hope to help them out as best I can. I plan on creating a patch very similar to the start date patch which will update the league rules and structures and, optionally, set the start date.

However we need your help. There are so many leagues in EHM to update and so it would be fantastic if anybody could help research the changes that need to be made. This will help make the task much easier as it will leave the three of us to work on the patch itself. The main information we need are the number of teams in each league and the foreigner rules. However, it would be helpful to have a little bit more information than this and so I've drawn up a basic template which can be used:


League name:
Number of teams:
No. of regular season games played:
Two-line pass rule:
Icing rule:
Overtime rule:
Shoot-out rule:
Maximum players on roster:
Maximum foreigners on roster:
Maximum foreigners dressed:


If a particular rule or number of teams, etc has not changed since EHM 2007 then simply put <no change>. It would be great if any user could do even just one league - it would be a huge help as there are so many to do (not only national leagues and cups but also the international ones).

Here is a list of the playable leagues that need updating (league names based upon Lidas v3.2):

Austria
Erste Bank Eishockey Liga

Canada
OHL
QMJHL
WHL
Memorial Cup

Czech Republic
Extraliga

Denmark
Oddset Ligaen
Danish Cup

Finland
SM-League
Mestis
Suomi Division

Germany
DEL

Great Britain
Elite League
Challenge Cup
English Premier League
EPL Cup

North America
NHL
AHL
CHL
ECHL
SPHL (this will replace the defunct UHL)

Norway
Elite League

Russia
Superleague

Slovakia
Slovenska Extraliga

Slovenia
Elite League
Interliga
Interliga 2

Sweden
SEL
Allsvenskan

Continental
Euro Champions Cup
Continental Cup

International
World Championships
World Championships Div 1
World Juniors U-20
World Junior Championships U-20 Div 1
World Cup
Olympic Hockey
Final Olympic Quals
Olympic Pre-Qualification
European Hockey Tour
Euro Challenge
Deutschland Cup
Swiss Cup
Slovak Cup
Russian U-20
Finnish U-20
Swedish U-20
Czech U-20

Non-playable leagues too?

AdamOates wrote:Non-playable leagues too?

At the moment we're just looking at playable leagues. This is the top priority as this will directly impact the realism of the game for everybody.

I'm not really sure what can be done with non-playable leagues at this stage as I've been concentrating on the start date. Marek/Alessandro know more than me on this area of modification.

Alright. Maybe you should post a list of all the leagues. Some are easily forgotten.

AdamOates wrote:Alright. Maybe you should post a list of all the leagues. Some are easily forgotten.

Good point! I've added a list to the first post in this thread. Thanks.

How will this work with leagues that have decreased the number of teams? Swedish HockeyAllsvenskan, for example, now have 14 teams instead of the 16 it had back in 2006. Also, the teams represented in the leauge has changed. Will it be possible to put in the right teams for 2011 with the patch?

It will be possible to change them, but for now there is no chance to alter the number of teams. I'm confident in the future we'll manage to do it, but it will be a long process.

Viking wrote:How will this work with leagues that have decreased the number of teams? Swedish HockeyAllsvenskan, for example, now have 14 teams instead of the 16 it had back in 2006. Also, the teams represented in the leauge has changed. Will it be possible to put in the right teams for 2011 with the patch?

Until we can change the amount of teams, I'll have the top two teams not promoted from Allsvenska Kvalserien(Huddinge and Karlskrona) in Allsvenskan for my roster updates

archibalduk wrote: North America
NHL
AHL
CHL
ECHL
UHL

The UHL does not exist any longer. In my upcoming release, I will have the SPHL there instead

Manimal, I would like to do that in our DB too, would you mind if we "copy" this idea?

Alessandro wrote:Manimal, I would like to do that in our DB too, would you mind if we "copy" this idea?

Not at all. Last year I used the LNAH, but I've chsen to go with the SPHL instead as they have more teams and info is easier to find(My french is only average). Since the SPHL only have nine teams, I added the Richmond Renegades, a now defunct team. I believe they were the most recent team to disband from the league

Or, you maybe referred to the Swedish leagues That is OK to copy as well

I was talking about the SPHL

Alessandro wrote:I was talking about the SPHL

If we could change the number of teams to 12, then maybe we could use the UHL to make the Swiss NLA playable.

League name: SM-Liiga (Fin)
Number of teams: 14 <no change>
No. of regular season games played: 60
Playoffs: 1st rd best of 3, QF, SF, F Best of 7 (in EHM07 3, 7, 5, 5)
Two-line pass rule: <no change>
Icing rule: <no change>
Overtime rule: <no change>
Shoot-out rule: <no change?>
Maximum players on roster: no limit
Maximum players dressed: 12 + 6 + 2 (in EHM07 12 + 8 + 2)
Maximum foreigners on roster: no limit
Maximum foreigners dressed: 3 non-EU players, teams can have as many Swedes, Czechs etc. as they want

ElQuapo wrote:

Alessandro wrote:I was talking about the SPHL

If we could change the number of teams to 12, then maybe we could use the UHL to make the Swiss NLA playable.

I don't like this outcome, still it would be within the North American pyramid, I think it would be better, if we'll manage to alter the number of teams, to overwrite the Norwegian league

Alessandro wrote:

ElQuapo wrote:

Alessandro wrote:I was talking about the SPHL

If we could change the number of teams to 12, then maybe we could use the UHL to make the Swiss NLA playable.

I don't like this outcome, still it would be within the North American pyramid, I think it would be better, if we'll manage to alter the number of teams, to overwrite the Norwegian league

That's true - ECHL, AHL and NHL teams would be able to sign the players from the league without warning - unless we could somehow remove whatever allows this to happen.

League name: Elite League (UK)
Number of teams: <no change>
No. of regular season games played:<no change>
Two-line pass rule:<no change>
Icing rule:<no change>
Overtime rule:<no change>
Shoot-out rule:<no change>
Maximum players on roster: 20
Maximum foreigners on roster: 10
Maximum foreigners dressed: 10

League name: Challenge cup (UK)
Number of teams: 10 Teams from Elite League in two groups of 5 - group A -Belfast, Braehead, Dundee, Edinburgh, Fife group B - Cardiff, Coventry, Hull, Nottingham, Sheffield
No. of regular season games played: Home and away in each group = 8 games, top 2 in each group go into semi's (winner A v runner up B)- home and away over 2 legs and 2 winners play in final with same rules
Two-line pass rule: same as elite league rules
Icing rule:same as elite league rules
Overtime rule: Group games end in tie after regulation time, OT only required if aggregate score level after regulation time in semi final and finals
Shoot-out rule: Only required if aggregate score level after regulation time and OT in semi final and finals
Maximum players on roster: same as elite league rules
Maximum foreigners on roster: same as elite league rules
Maximum foreigners dressed: same as elite league rules


League name: English Premier League
Number of teams: 10
No. of regular season games played: 54
Two-line pass rule:
Icing rule:
Overtime rule:
Shoot-out rule:
Maximum players on roster: 20
Maximum foreigners on roster: no limit
Maximum foreigners dressed: 4 Players (EU only and only 3 can be on the ice at a time), Players from non EU countries not allowed

League name: EPL Cup
Number of teams: 10
No. of regular season games played: 18 (double up with 1st 2 rounds of EPL leageu games v each team home and away) I'm not certain what happens next I would assume that the top 4 go to the semi finals which are over 2 legs like the final. Archi or Calv should hopefully be able to confirm or deny this
Two-line pass rule: same as EPL
Icing rule: same as EPL
Overtime rule: same as EPL
Shoot-out rule: same as EPL
Maximum players on roster:
Maximum foreigners on roster: same as EPL
Maximum foreigners dressed: same as EPL

I ain't certain about all of EPL rules and know guys here that watch some EPL hockey so feel free to fill the blanks or correct me.

League name: Mestis (Fin)
Number of teams: <no change>
No. of regular season games played: 48 games
Playoffs: 1st round "wild card" best of 3 (between 7th-10th in regular season - similar with SM-League), QF, SF, F in Best of 5
Relegation League: Losing team from playouts (11th-12th) in best of 7 plays in double matchup relegation group between three best teams from Suomi-Sarja.
Two-line pass rule: <no change>
Icing rule: <no change>
Overtime rule: <no change> (20 min overtime, 5vs5 in PO)
Shoot-out rule: Shootout if tied after overtime (no shootout in PO)
Maximum players on roster: <no change>
Maximum players dressed: 18 + 2
Maximum foreigners on roster: no limit
Maximum foreigners dressed: 4 non-EU

SLOVAKIAN ST EXTRALIGA:
League name: Slovakian Tipsport Extraliga
Number of teams: 10 + 1 (Slovakian U20 - HK Orange 20) - HK Orange play only friendly match 2x with everyone [8 teams play-off]
No. of regular season games played: (1. september - 30. april) - 54 matches
Two-line pass rule: no change
Icing rule: no change
Overtime rule: 5min (4v4)
Shoot-out rule: 3v3
Maximum players on roster: no limit
Maximum foreigners on roster: no limit
Maximum foreigners dressed: no limit

Last team plays play-off with first team in Slovakian first league on 4 wins


SLOVAK CUP:
League name: Slovakia Cup (in city Bratislava)
Number of teams: 4 teams (Slovakia, Belarus, Switzerland, Germany)
No. of regular season games played: 3 matches
Two-line pass rule: no change
Icing rule: no change
Overtime rule: 5min (4v4)
Shoot-out rule: 3v3

For now the shoot-out will be 5-on-5, not sure we'll be able to change it.
Creating stuff like HK Orange 20 will be impossible I'm afraid.

hm ... so the league without Orange

Thank you to everybody who has posted league information.

Alessandro wrote:For now the shoot-out will be 5-on-5, not sure we'll be able to change it.
Creating stuff like HK Orange 20 will be impossible I'm afraid.

It's probably worth continuing to compile all of this data in case we figure out how to change other rules/structures too. I was under the impression from Marek that he was able to alter the number of teams in the league - but perhaps I misunderstood.

archibalduk wrote:Thank you to everybody who has posted league information.

Alessandro wrote:For now the shoot-out will be 5-on-5, not sure we'll be able to change it.
Creating stuff like HK Orange 20 will be impossible I'm afraid.

It's probably worth continuing to compile all of this data in case we figure out how to change other rules/structures too. I was under the impression from Marek that he was able to alter the number of teams in the league - but perhaps I misunderstood.

Yes it might be possible. Only that I guess you don't know what is HK Orange 20. It's the Team Slovakia U20 team. And such things are impossible to do I think.

grazza wrote:League name: Elite League (UK)
Number of teams: <no change>
No. of regular season games played:<no change>
Two-line pass rule:<no change>
Icing rule:<no change>
Overtime rule:<no change>
Shoot-out rule:<no change>
Maximum players on roster: 20 - Is this a set amount? I've not seen anything from the EIHL about a max. roster size - Fife currently have 20 players dressed for games and are trying to sign others
Maximum foreigners on roster: 10 - Incorrect, Belfast have 11 on their roster - they are only allowed to dress 10 though. It should be no limit
Maximum foreigners dressed: 10

League name: English Premier League
Number of teams: 10
No. of regular season games played: 54
Two-line pass rule:No
Icing rule:Non-touch
Overtime rule:5-mins 4-on-4, then shoot out
Shoot-out rule:Not 100% sure
Maximum players on roster: 20 Again - is this true?
Maximum foreigners on roster: no limit
Maximum foreigners dressed: 4 Players (EU only and only 3 can be on the ice at a time), Players from non EU countries not allowed The exact rule is only players who do not need work permits are permitted to play, 3 on the ice at one time including penalties.

League name: EPL Cup
Number of teams: 10
No. of regular season games played: 18 (double up with 1st 2 rounds of EPL leageu games v each team home and away) I'm not certain what happens next I would assume that the top 4 go to the semi finals which are over 2 legs like the final. Archi or Calv should hopefully be able to confirm or deny this This sounds correct
Two-line pass rule: same as EPL
Icing rule: same as EPL
Overtime rule: same as EPL
Shoot-out rule: same as EPL
Maximum players on roster:
Maximum foreigners on roster: same as EPL
Maximum foreigners dressed: same as EPL

League name: Swedish Elitserien
Number of teams: <No change>
No. of regular season games played: <No change>
Two-line pass rule: Is not used anymore
Icing rule: <No change>
Overtime rule: <No change>
Shoot-out rule: Is used now. Three shots each, then one round att at a time
Maximum players on roster: <No change>
Maximum foreigners on roster: <No change>
Maximum foreigners dressed: <No change>


League name: Swedish Allsvenskan
Number of teams: 14: Team 1-3 goes to Kvalserien, Team number 4-7 playes Pre-Kvalserien, the winner goes to Kvalserien. Team number 13-14 playes the regulation-series.
No. of regular season games played: 52
Two-line pass rule: Is not used anymore
Icing rule: <No change>
Overtime rule: <No change>
Shoot-out rule: Is used now. Three shots each, then one round att at a time
Maximum players on roster: <No change>
Maximum foreigners on roster: <No change>
Maximum foreigners dressed: <No change>