EHM The Blue Line

Here is my summary of what we know about the player regen system of OOTP Hockey Manager thus far:

Player Regens

• The regen system will be very different to EHM. For each player that retires, the game will generate a new player. The only information that the game takes from the retired player is his position and his first nationality.
• When generating a regen player, the game will assign a quality (i.e. level of skill / potential) based upon nationality and not based upon the retired player's skill. For example, a player is more likely to be of good quality from Sweden than from Great Britain. Each nation has its own quality rating.
• Regen players will also be assigned a type based on their nationality and position (e.g. new players from Russia will more likely be technical types).
• The regen player's ratings will then be generated based on the assigned quality, position and type.
• Thus it is possible (albeit extremely rare) for a generational player ala Gretzky to be generated in a lesser known country.
• Here is an example: On average Germany would produce some NHL talent, in some years more (like this days) in other years just a few player and from time to time it would produce an above average type NHL player who could be a Winger or a defense man, not necessarily a Goalie because of Kölzig.
• As regens are based upon the nationality of retired players, the proportion of different nationalities in the game will remain constant.
• The name of a regen depends upon regions and ethnicities - not just his first and second nationality. This applies not only to Canada, but many other countries such as Switzerland.

OOTP Devs are looking into incorporating family relationships between players (including regens). Seems like a neat idea.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/w ... ost3243044

archibalduk wrote:OOTP Devs are looking into incorporating family relationships between players (including regens). Seems like a neat idea.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/w ... ost3243044

I love that idea!

Too easy to find the Subbans, Sutters, Sedins, Samuelsson's of the future if they show the relationship. But it is cool no question.

batdad wrote:Too easy to find the Subbans, Sutters, Sedins, Samuelsson's of the future if they show the relationship. But it is cool no question.

Ha but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll be as good as their fathers/siblings! The regen system for OOTP sounds like an improvement over the current EHM system.

Just to make it clear: Regens (as in Regenerates) work different in our game and really should be called Newgens (as in Newly-Generates). It is impossible to look for e.g. "the new Sedin" because the game will not bring in Sedin with a new name. So the family relationships will not help you to find your next great draft-pick.

Sometimes sons are better than their father's, sometimes worse. As for knowing the bloodlines, well they do IRL too and it does make a difference. In EHM theres tons of Gretzky's, Hull's, etc. etc. but once in awhile I come across a player begging for a history. I'm playing the Canucks ATM and I'm in 2017(2023) I suppose. Luongo is 41, Daniel Sedin 40, Kesler 35 and Edler a bit younger. Everybody else is either retired or long gone but I've got this kid in last year of junior and he's looking a lot better then when I drafted him. I never thought about it when I drafted him but all of a sudden it hit me. His name is Ted Walter and he's a centerman. About the same size as Ryan Walter and similar traits. I just thought is would be real nice if he actually had some kind of connection to the past instead of just being a regen or a newgen. To me it would make the game seem a lot more real.

YOu know Ryan has 2 kids playing hockey. At least one of them is a pro with Boston org (at last check around a year ago...he may have been let go)

batdad wrote:YOu know Ryan has 2 kids playing hockey. At least one of them is a pro with Boston org (at last check around a year ago...he may have been let go)

Ben Walter is actually playing for the Flames-affiliate in Abbotsford now. Guess who is the president for that team...

archibalduk wrote:OOTP Devs are looking into incorporating family relationships between players (including regens). Seems like a neat idea.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/w ... ost3243044

Nice. It always widdled me off when I added myself to EHM and made my cousin(who was already in the game) and me like eachother and it would go away because we didn't play on the same team. He's my cousin, of course we will always want to play together, no matter what happens.

I don't think the game should ensure relatives play together on the same team. In my opinion, family relationships should count for nothing more than like the favourite staff attribute in EHM.

We had a similar debate on this with regards to the Sedin twins in EHM 2007. A user was arguing that the game was unrealistic because the twins ended up playing for different teams. I don't think this is right - they should be able to play for separate teams. E.g. if the Canucks were to accept a trade offer from NY Rangers for Daniel then he would have to play for the Rangers and would have no say in the matter (unless he throws a Lindros-style tantrum).

There is a list here on Wikipedia detailing family relationships in the NHL. If you look at the list of siblings, there is a total of 251 siblings listed. Of those 251, in the region of 59 played on the same team (but not necessarily at the same time).

Family relationships would be interesting, depending on how they would be done. I think if they are done, you'd have to connect them like:

Parent > Offspring
Sibling = Sibling
Sibling = Cousin
Twin = Twin

An easy effect that would drastically alter the game would simply to add a "rivalry" or "friendship" dummy variable to each relationship, skewing it in favor of friendship for twins (we can just assume would mean monozygotic i.e. identical twins). This is relatively easy and reflects imo. the basic relationship of many real life siblings (if it isn't neutral). For example, Saku Koivu's avoided playing with his brother so far since he feels he's "doing his own thing" in Minnesota. Likewise the Staal brothers have yet to play on a team, no doubt because they are all quite competitive (friendly-competitive) with one another. Whereas you have other relationships (Parise-Parise, Sedin-Sedin) where it is clear they are much more friendly and enjoy playing on the same team.

I dunno I'm sure you guys got it down pat though, can't wait for this to be done and to purchase it. I'm just musing out loud. I'm sure it'll be rough around the edges to start but the community will work at it and hopefully we can get something really great going in the future. Keep it up!

I've been known to create myself and my brother in games for a little sibling rivalry

I actually like making brothers in ootp and having them compete against each other then a number of years later having one of their unofficial sons play. They say in ootp that theres are family playing but there really is no way of knowing it. I wish they make a note in the players profile page or something of that nature in ootp and in this game...but i'm not counting on it.

Here's a further update:

Player Newgens

• A nation's Quality rating (which affects how skilled newgens of that nationality are) will change slightly over time. It will be affected by the nation's success in hockey. For example, a very good and successful player from a low quality nation will have a positive influence on the nation's Quality rating.

'regens' is good,but I wonder WHY the feature existing in CM0102 is abandoned in the following CM0304 and FM series
Anybody knows?