[player_info.dat] Player Info Generator

[archibalduk]

I tried creating a new free agent using the Pre Game Editor and set him to 50 Canadian Junior games. I then used the FREE_AGENT_MOVE in extra_config for him to move to a Hockey East Team. When I loaded up EHM, the player moved to the team on 1st September as planned. I tried doing it again but also added a 2010/11 career history entry with the Red Deer Rebels with 50 games. Nonetheless the player still moved to the team.

So having Canadian Junior games didn't prevent the player signing with an NCAA team (using extra_config at least).

[Manimal]

Try having him with NA major junior games played

I have been looking at the professional games. This is the number used by NA minor pro leagues to set their veteran status(and development status in the UHL). The thing is, the game counts more european leagues as professional than the NA-leagues does IRL.
I checked this with the default database, as well.
It has no big effect on thegame, however. Only a handful of guys in each league gets the wrong status

[archibalduk]

Ovechkin has also appeared in my game in the top ten NHL most points by a rookie record. Weirdly, he is listed for the record with 15 points for 2011/12. However he has scored 39 points so far in the regular season. It almost seems that the game was counting his points up until a certain date but then stopped.

I have been looking at the professional games. This is the number used by NA minor pro leagues to set their veteran status(and development status in the UHL). The thing is, the game counts more european leagues as professional than the NA-leagues does IRL.

If you tell me which leagues we have listed as pro but are not counted IRL then I will remove them from the list. I think we go by what is accurate rather than what the game has done in the past.

Try having him with NA major junior games played

I'm trying it at the moment.

[archibalduk]

Try having him with NA major junior games played

I'm trying it at the moment.

I tried creating a player with three seasons of NA major junior experience but alas his FREE_AGENT_TRANSFER still went through. I didn't add any career history to him - I just edited his Player Info.

[nino33]

Maybe there's a hierarchy, and the "Transfer" supersedes everything else? So regardless of "stats" if there's a transfer in the Extra_Config file the transfer occurs...

User Malmsten83 has been posting results in the 1974 DB Thread about his testing of the use of the Extra-Config file to keep Europeans in Europe (by having a transfer occur to the player's same European club years after start-up).......seems to work, as if a Transfer in the Extra_Config is superseding all other possibilities

[Manimal]

Maybe there's a hierarchy, and the "Transfer" supersedes everything else? So regardless of "stats" if there's a transfer in the Extra_Config file the transfer occurs...

User Malmsten83 has been posting results in the 1974 DB Thread about his testing of the use of the Extra-Config file to keep Europeans in Europe (by having a transfer occur to the player's same European club years after start-up).......seems to work, as if a Transfer in the Extra_Config is superseding all other possibilities

Transfers from Europe to NHL does not work properly, though. Otherwise, it seems to be the case.
Archi, does your test player stay with his college team and play games for them?

[archibalduk]

Transfers from Europe to NHL does not work properly, though. Otherwise, it seems to be the case.
Archi, does your test player stay with his college team and play games for them?

The player who had 50 Canadian junior games played a whole season in the Hockey East before being drafted and signed with the Caps (I set his PA as 90 so was surprised to see him signed by the Caps so soon).

I haven't seen whether the NA major junior player plays any games. I'll have a look tomorrow... He joined the team no problem though.

[archibalduk]

Version 1.0 of the Generator can be downloaded here: http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... =88&t=9213

This version features a number of behind the scenes improvements compared with the previous beta version released.

If anybody has any feedback on which leagues should or should not be regarded as professional then please do let me know so that I can update the sample configuration file.

[Alessandro]

Excellent job Archie, as usual

[nino33]

Excellent job Archie

Agreed!

as usual

So true!

[Tasku]

Excellent job Archie

Agreed!

Most definately!

as usual

So true!

Yes sir!

[archibalduk]

Thanks for the kind words.

Btw, whilst I remember: I mentioned before that ideally the Player Info Generator should be used each time you update the player histories. However, it should also be used whenever you move players to a new team/league (or at least with every release of a roster) so that the Team and League stats remain accurate.

[ryde93]

hey, i've run into a problem. first and foremost excellent work! we all appreciate it. i placed both the generator and the player_info.cfg in the database i wish to use. i then ran the generator and it performed all steps successfully until it got to generating the player_info.dat. it says an error was encountered. i'm using the latest roster in which i use the realism patch and that was it. i then thought maybe that could be the reason so i tried it on an untouched roster and still the same. any ideas? thanks for the help!

[archibalduk]

The error will be because the tool does not have permission to write to the files. Presumably you have Windows Vista or 7? If so, you need to right click on the exe and click on 'Run as admin' and then it should work fine.

[ryde93]

i'll check it out, but i'm certain it was. i read the read me and everything so i know that was like rule number one haha, thanks for the help hopefuly im just a moron and thats why.

[archibalduk]

You're right - it is definitely rule number one!

If you still encounter difficulty, try moving your database to a temporary folder on your desktop and then run the Generator from there - this will bypass any of those admin-type issues.

[archibalduk]

I've received some confirmation about what each field/category covers and how it affects the game:

1) CanadianJuniorGamesPlayed - used for rookie status in the major junior leagues (WHL, OHL, QMJHL and the other Canadian juniors like AJHL, SJHL and BCHL). Also used for NHL to determine if the player can be sent to AHL if they still have junior eligibility and CHL rights held.

2) HasPlayedInNorthAmericaAsJunior - used for NHL draft eligibility checks as well as checking if a player can be signed to an NHL contract.

3) HasPlayedInCollege - only really used for players read in from the DB, not added during the game as we didn't model college hockey. Used in the player rights management to decide how long the NHL rights are valid after being drafted.

4) NorthAmericaMajorJuniorSeasons - used for draft eligibility rules and when deciding if player wants to or is allowed to play college hockey. This only updates if the player plays in the actual major juniors, so it only covers WHL, OHL and QMJHL.

I/we will need to check the settings file to ensure things are set up correctly. I think I've got the NA Major Junior category rather wrong!

I'll work on the settings file and readme.pdf file this weekend.

[nino33]

1) CanadianJuniorGamesPlayed - used for rookie status in the major junior leagues (WHL, OHL, QMJHL and the other Canadian juniors like AJHL, SJHL and BCHL). Also used for NHL to determine if the player can be sent to AHL if they still have junior eligibility and CHL rights held.

Does this mean that ticking "Has played in NA Junior" means the player has junior eligibility and can't be sent to the AHL if age 20 and under? OR is it all somehow really just by Games Played? Or is Games Played for Junior Rookie Status & "Has played in NA Junior" determines Junior/AHL eligibility for players 20 and under ?
EDITED (to clarify question)

3) HasPlayedInCollege - only really used for players read in from the DB, not added during the game as we didn't model college hockey. Used in the player rights management to decide how long the NHL rights are valid after being drafted.

Do you know how long NHL rights are valid after being drafted if "Has Played in College" is ticked at start-up ?



Thanks

[archibalduk]

Version 1.1 has now been released and uploaded: http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... =88&t=9213

Here is the change list:

• The Generator will now accept any combination of two categories per league (previously one category had to be PRO).
• Corrected the NA_JNR and NA_MAJOR_JNR categories in the default player_info.cfg file.
• Updated and corrected information in the readme.pdf file.

I highly recommend removing version 1.0 and replacing with version 1.1 because it has transpired that the leagues we regarded as NA Major Junior were incorrect. We thought this category covered top tier USA junior leagues, but it actually covers the three Canadian major junior leagues.

[archibalduk]

3) HasPlayedInCollege - only really used for players read in from the DB, not added during the game as we didn't model college hockey. Used in the player rights management to decide how long the NHL rights are valid after being drafted.

Do you know how long NHL rights are valid after being drafted if "Has Played in College" is ticked at start-up ?

I found this which might help (I don't know how up to date this is):

A player not signed by his NHL team within two years of being drafted can re-enter the draft, as long as he is 20 years old or younger at the time of the subsequent draft. Players over 20 become unrestricted free agents.

NCAA players are an exception: NHL teams retain the rights to a college player until 30 days after the player has left college.

Source: http://proicehockey.about.com/od/prospe ... -Works.htm