EHM1 Regen Testing (2016)

[nino33]

I've done some significant "regen testing" this year - first in January, then in March, and now in July
I'm going to post my previous data first for comparison purposes......


January 2016 - Regen Testing

For the last couple weeks I've been running a long term sim, with almost every League on Enhanced, Full Database, and Full Detail Sim; currently the sim is in the year 2033. I've used the EHM:EA Assistant to export the player Attribute details into sortable spreadsheets

The primary thing I was wanting to look at was "what is the PA quality of the future/regen players?"
The primary "standard for comparison" was/is the current database, at the start of a new game.

So, the first data tables I'm posting right now looks at the TBL 8.1 database at startup.
The PAs of those players under age 23 are of course "variable" and so this particular distribution is a single (hopefully representative) example; those players over age 23 almost always have "set" PAs (and so the distribution is more researcher controlled).

I'm interested in looking at things by Nation, Player Role and/or Position.....when/if I have time

To make sorting/compiling the data easier I used Birth Year rather than Draft Year.
Across the top is the Birth Year and then the player age, down the left column is the PA distribution (from 100-200 in blocks of 10).

Here's what TBL 8.1 looks like at startup......


October 2015

BIRTH YEAR	1966	1967	1968	1969	1970	1971	1972	1973	1974	1975
PLAYER AGE	48-49	47-48	46-47	45-46	44-45	43-44	42-43	41-42	40-41	39-40
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
160-169	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0
150-159	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
140-149	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
130-139	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
120-129	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	1
110-119	1	1	0	0	0	1	2	2	1	4
100-109	0	0	0	2	1	0	3	1	1	4

BIRTH YEAR	1976	1977	1978	1979	1980	1981	1982	1983	1984	1985
PLAYER AGE	38-39	37-38	36-37	35-36	34-35	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	1
170-179	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4
160-169	0	1	1	0	3	1	0	1	4	3
150-159	0	0	1	2	0	3	4	3	6	7
140-149	1	0	1	2	4	4	5	7	9	8
130-139	0	3	8	3	6	11	18	13	21	19
120-129	3	9	8	13	16	20	20	20	28	25
110-119	2	8	12	16	30	28	26	33	40	46
100-109	7	4	19	28	24	23	27	33	50	56

BIRTH YEAR	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995
PLAYER AGE	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20
190-200	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	0	1	2	2	0	0	0	1	1
170-179	3	2	1	2	2	3	2	0	2	0
160-169	3	3	3	6	4	2	7	2	4	2
150-159	6	8	11	6	8	8	5	6	11	9
140-149	11	12	4	6	12	10	9	13	7	7
130-139	130	29	23	16	27	40	35	26	30	18
120-129	30	33	23	22	34	39	50	42	38	36
110-119	38	37	46	39	55	61	71	42	54	40
100-109	68	44	48	45	44	63	64	61	57	58

BIRTH YEAR	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001	2002
PLAYER AGE	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14	12-13
190-200	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	4	1	0	1	0	0
170-179	4	4	1	2	3	1	0
160-169	3	1	3	2	0	0	0
150-159	10	9	12	8	6	0	0
140-149	7	7	3	8	4	4	1
130-139	15	11	14	11	7	2	0
120-129	33	40	23	22	9	19	0
110-119	33	35	29	25	19	17	1
100-109	51	41	31	25	20	15	1

October 2023

BIRTH YEAR	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009
PLAYER AGE	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-18	15-16	14-15	13-14
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	1	0	0	0	0	2	0	1	0
160-169	1	0	3	2	1	0	2	3	1
150-159	0	1	2	3	5	2	5	1	2
140-149	6	2	6	0	3	1	8	3	1
130-139	9	11	8	13	14	22	19	10	2
120-129	44	19	21	22	18	21	27	5	5
110-119	46	46	46	49	38	33	43	24	4
100-109	76	65	39	53	47	52	50	22	5

October 2028

BIRTH YEAR	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011	2012	2013	2014
PLAYER AGE	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	0
170-179	0	2	0	1	0	1	2	1	1	0
160-169	1	0	2	5	4	4	1	1	1	0
150-159	5	2	5	3	7	4	12	4	8	2
140-149	3	1	8	11	10	4	9	12	5	1
130-139	14	22	19	18	12	17	14	24	21	6
120-129	18	21	27	16	19	29	23	21	20	5
110-119	38	32	42	46	38	41	37	45	31	4
100-109	47	52	49	55	52	36	47	63	22	6

October 2033

BIRTH YEAR	2011	2012	2013	2014	2015	2016	2017	2018	2019
PLAYER AGE	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15
190-200	0	0	1	0	1	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	1	0	0	0	1	4	1	0
170-179	2	1	1	2	0	1	3	1	0
160-169	1	1	2	1	3	3	4	3	2
150-159	12	4	18	10	5	7	8	8	3
140-149	9	12	9	8	13	14	10	6	2
130-139	14	24	31	26	42	28	21	12	3
120-129	23	21	29	36	34	35	33	17	7
110-119	45	44	47	43	56	43	43	13	3
100-109	33	61	57	32	65	45	51	15	4

[nino33]

It seems that the new regen system is such that if not the same PA being reused it's pretty close...at least with Top players (seems there's no chance of a "lower" PA player ever getting a Top PA, and Top PAs repeat themselves like they did in EHM 05/07)

Below is the retirement year and player age at retirement for all of the players with a PA of 170-200, all the players with a -10 PA and a bunch of players with the -9 PA (I was going to do all the -9 players, but the pattern's already well established without additional data)

Virtually every Top player plays into his 40s!
Those that don't play into their very late 30s



I have the test sim still going, currently in the fall of 2036; I used it to look up the players
After the player's name is the retirement year, and in brackets is age at retirement

Jake Allen – 2031 (age 41)
Jamie Benn – 2031 (age 42)
Patrice Bergeron – 2023 (age 38)
Ben Bishop – 2027 (age 41)
Sergei Bobrovsky – 2029 (age 41)
Nicklas Bäckström – 2028 (age 41)
Sidney Crosby – 2031 (age 44)
Drew Doughty – 2032 (age 43)
Oliver Ekman-Larsson – 2034 (age 43)
Ryan Getzlaf – 2022 (age 37)
Claude Giroux – 2029 (age 41)
Taylor Hall – 2034 (age 43)
Victor Hedman – 2032 (age 42)
Braden Holtby – 2028 (age 39)
Ryan Johansen – 2033 (age 41)
Roman Josi – 2033 (age 43)
Patrick Kane – 2030 (age 42)
Erik Karlsson – 2033 (age 43)
Duncan Keith – 2026 (age 43)
Anže Kopitar – 2028 (age 41)
Henrik Lundqvist – 2021 (age 39)
Evgeni Malkin – 2029 (age 43)
Ryan McDonagh – 2032 (age 43)
Alexander Ovechkin – 2027 (age 42)
Corey Perry – 2025 (age 40)
Alex Pietrangelo – 2031 (age 41)
Carey Price – 2028 (age 41)
Jonathan Quick – 2024 (age 38)
Tuukka Rask – 2027 (age 40)
Pekka Rinne – 2022 (age 40)
Cory Schneider – 2027 (age 41)
Tyler Seguin – 2034 (age 42)
Steven Stamkos – 2028 (age 38)
P.K. Subban – 2032 (age 43)
Ryan Suter – 2026 (age 41)
Vladimir Tarasenko – 2033 (age 42)
John Tavares – 2034 (age 44)
Jonathan Toews – 2026 (age 38)
Shea Weber – 2027 (age 42)
Henrik Zetterberg – 2020 (age 40)

For the "set PA" players above...
Red Font = 190-200 PA
Blue Font = 180-189 PA
Black Font = 170-179 PA


-10 PA players
Jack Eichel – still playing at 39
Auston Matthews – retired/not in HOF
Connor McDavid – 2037 (age 40)
Joe Veleno – retired/not in HOF

-9 PA players (14 of 65)
Aleksander Barkov – still playing at 41
Sam Bennett – 2035 (age 39)
Jonas Brodin – 2032 (age 39)
Ryan Brushett – still playing at 38
Jakob Chychrun – 2037 (age 39)
Maxime Comtois – still playing at 37
Louis-Filip Côté – retired/not in HOF
Grigori Denisenko – still playing at 36
Max Domi – still playing at 41
Leon Draisaitl – still playing at 40
Jonathan Drouin – 2034 (age 39)
Mathhew Dumba – 2034 (age 40)
Nikolaj Ehlers – still playing at 40
Aaron Ekblad – still playing at 40


EDIT - I've PMed Riz at SI, explained what I've done/found and linked this thread

Manimal and I were talking on Skype yesterday, he was wondering about CA levels and Skating Attributes.....here's some examples of retired players - I noted the CA, their Acceleration-Agility-Balance-Speed, and I also noted their last 3 seasons stats (the top season listed is their last)

While their Skating Attributes are very low (awful! HaHa), their CA wasn't bad, and their actual performance in most cases was still very high.....

Claude Giroux – 2029 (age 41) – CA 157/178
Skating 8-8-6-7
NHL 82GP 35PTS 6.89AvR
NHL 81GP 33PTS 6.88AvR
NHL 77gp 30PTS 6.88 AvR

Sergei Bobrovsky – 2029 (age 41) – CA 168/170
61GP 35W 2.22GAA 7.90AvR
60GO 35W 2.11GAA 7.82AvR
57GP 30W 2.16GAA 7.89AvR

Evgeni Malkin – 2029 (age 43) – CA 178/180
Skating 7-7-8-7
81GP 75PTS 7.48AvR
75GP 67PTS 7.36AvR
65GP 45PTS 6.94AvR

Taylor Hall – 2034 (age 43) – CA 158/170
Skating 9-6-6-6
NHL 78GP 46PTS 7.45AvR
NHL 76GP 41PTS 7.36AvR
NHL 82GP 40PTS 7.12AvR

Oliver Ekman-Larsson – 2034 (age 43) – CA 159/172
Skating 10-9-7-11
NHL 82GP 32PTS 7.27AvR
NHL 75GP 21PTS 7.24AvR
NHL 81GP 47PTS 7.52AvR

Tyler Seguin – 2034 (age 42) – CA 159/178
Skating 8-6-6-6
NHL 55GP 34PTS 7.47AvR
NHL 76GP 59PTS 7.51AvR
NHL 82GP 79PTS 7.57AvR

Here's some more examples; I added Stamina to the data too.
I don't understand why the HOF sometimes includes international seasons and sometimes doesn't (like Kovalchuk's time in the KHL isn't counted, but Rask's time in the Austrian League is).
Some players "can't be found ingame" in June of their last year, maybe because they played outside of NA and their season ended/they'd retired already
The idea that Top goalies perform very well until 40 seems to be validated!

Jake Allen – 2031 (age 41) – CA 158/170
6 Stamina
NHL 63GP 31W 2.67GAA 7.56AvR
NHL 63GP 21W 2.94GAA 7.22AvR
NHL 62GP 35W 2.28GAA 7.84AvR

Jamie Benn – 2031 (age 42) – CA 169/180
Skating 6-6-6-6 Stamina 6
NHL77GP 34PTS 7.01AvR
NHL 75GP 26PTS 6.92AvR
NHL 72GP 31PTS 7.19AvR

Sidney Crosby – 2031 (age 44)
Can’t find him ingame on June 27th 2031

Alex Pietrangelo – 2031 (age 41) – CA 158/174
Skating 7-9-8-9 Stamina 11
NHL 74GP 31PTS 7.01AvR
NHL 82GP 34PTS 7.17AvR
NHL 79GP 44PTS 7.38AvR

Ben Bishop – 2027 (age 41) – CA 155/170
Stamina 9
NHL 65GP 30W 7.43AvR
NHL 63GP 36W 7.67AvR
NHL 65GP 33W 7.55AvR

Alexander Ovechkin – 2027 (age 42) – CA 173/186
Skating 7-6-7-7 Stamina 9
NHL 59GP 50PTS 7.80AvR
NHL 76GP 36PTS 7.45AvR
NHL 82GP 48PTS 7.60AvR

Tuukka Rask – 2027 (age 40) – CA 155/170
Stamina 9
Aut 27GP 20W 8.81AvR
NHL 41GP 24W 7.95AvR
NHL 49GP 19W 7.97AvR

Cory Schneider – 2027 (age 41)
Can’t find him ingame on June 25th 2027

Shea Weber – 2027 (age 42) – CA 155/178
Skating 6-5-8-6 Stamina 11
NHL 80GP 30PTS 6.85AvR
NHL 72GP 29PTS 7.11AvR
NHL 78GP 24PTS 7.03AvR

Carey Price – 2028 (age 41) - CA 177/190
Stamina 13
NHL 38GP 18W 2.39 GAA 7.66AvR
NHL 60GP 27W 2.45GAA 7.73AvR
NHL 65GP 42W 1.98GAA 7.97AvR

Nicklas Bäckström – 2028 (age 41)
Can’t find him ingame on June 27th 2028

Braden Holtby – 2028 (age 39)
Can’t find him ingame on June 27th 2028

Anže Kopitar – 2028 (age 41) - CA 156/172
Skating 6-6-6-8 Stamina 7
KHL 58GP 35PTS 7.76AvR
NHL 69GP 14PTS 6.77AvR
NHL 68GP 21PTS 6.62AvR

Steven Stamkos – 2028 (age 38)
Can’t find him ingame on June 27th 2028

[nino33]

March 2016 - Regen Testing

Here is the results of my most recent regen quality testing (since the release of version 1.1)
As always, testing was done with all Leagues on Enhanced and Full database/Full Detail
Previous testing results from January 2016 were with version 1.0

I've got three tests saves with additional fictional Players-Staff-Juniors "added" at start-up
and I've got a fourth test save started without additional/fictional Players-Staff-Juniors "added" at start-up

As before, to make sorting/compiling the data easier I used Birth Year rather than Draft Year.
Across the top is the Birth Year and then the player age, down the left column is the PA distribution (from 100-200 in blocks of 10)..



Test 1 2015-STARTUP Players-Staff-Juniors "added"

BIRTH YEAR	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995
PLAYER AGE	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20
190-200	0	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	0	1	3	3	0	0	0	0	2
170-179	3	3	2	2	4	3	4	5	6	5
160-169	4	7	3	9	7	5	5	4	9	5
150-159	9	15	14	13	14	12	10	11	10	11
140-149	16	20	14	14	22	20	21	18	14	9
130-139	35	39	42	33	43	64	53	40	34	37
120-129	44	46	48	41	51	44	88	61	57	61
110-119	60	58	68	62	70	83	92	89	96	72
100-109	116	77	72	67	94	95	126	100	112	82

BIRTH YEAR	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005
PLAYER AGE	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14	12-13	11-12	10-11	9-10
190-200	1	1	3	1	5	3	3	0	1	0
180-189	1	2	3	2	10	6	2	0	1	0
170-179	5	4	7	9	17	23	6	2	6	4
160-169	4	9	11	7	12	11	5	0	5	2
150-159	15	18	15	21	45	37	21	5	10	4
140-149	10	9	23	15	29	39	13	2	9	2
130-139	26	31	38	36	90	108	25	11	31	15
120-129	55	58	79	88	118	142	34	16	23	14
110-119	59	85	108	117	220	250	67	14	34	19
100-109	68	83	80	123	256	247	65	18	22	10

Test 1 2023

BIRTH YEAR	1999	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008
PLAYER AGE	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15
190-200	1	5	3	3	0	1	0	0	0	0
180-189	2	10	6	2	0	1	1	0	0	0
170-179	9	17	23	7	1	4	4	0	0	0
160-169	7	12	11	7	2	4	6	1	3	2
150-159	21	46	38	23	14	8	9	3	5	2
140-149	15	30	43	16	7	12	14	7	8	1
130-139	34	90	121	45	24	34	41	24	20	4
120-129	84	144	169	66	54	38	57	42	33	8
110-119	102	200	251	126	83	94	103	75	87	36
100-109	92	250	296	165	103	89	93	113	123	35

BIRTH YEAR	1989	1990	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995	1996	1997	1998
PLAYER AGE	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	3
180-189	2	3	0	0	0	0	2	1	2	3
170-179	2	4	3	4	5	6	5	5	4	7
160-169	9	7	5	5	4	9	5	4	9	11
150-159	13	14	12	10	10	10	11	15	18	15
140-149	13	22	20	21	17	14	9	10	8	23
130-139	32	43	63	50	39	32	37	26	31	38
120-129	39	49	42	80	52	55	58	54	55	73
110-119	60	69	77	77	74	89	68	56	73	95
100-109	50	84	85	98	83	95	68	64	73	70

Test 1 2033

BIRTH YEAR	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009
PLAYER AGE	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25
190-200	5	3	3	0	1	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	10	6	2	0	1	1	0	0	1	1
170-179	17	23	7	1	4	4	0	0	3	5
160-169	12	11	7	2	4	6	1	6	9	4
150-159	45	37	23	14	8	9	3	7	12	6
140-149	30	43	16	7	12	14	7	13	16	19
130-139	84	117	44	24	34	41	24	32	43	41
120-129	136	158	61	54	38	57	42	53	54	50
110-119	171	195	93	73	85	99	65	104	121	91
100-109	217	228	121	88	80	82	102	139	123	110

BIRTH YEAR	2010	2011	2012	2013	2014	2015	2016	2017	2018	2019
PLAYER AGE	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15
190-200	0	0	2	0	1	0	1	0	0	0
180-189	2	0	1	1	1	3	1	0	0	0
170-179	1	2	1	2	4	5	2	2	4	1
160-169	4	5	6	4	7	3	3	4	5	1
150-159	10	8	21	9	7	19	12	12	16	2
140-149	11	15	14	21	19	18	14	17	13	0
130-139	40	40	40	62	56	46	55	40	20	4
120-129	48	37	64	68	69	74	45	67	33	8
110-119	76	96	95	103	100	107	102	89	49	12
100-109	92	91	122	107	130	121	117	76	43	20

[nino33]

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Test 2 2015-STARTUP Players-Staff-Juniors "added"

BIRTH YEAR	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995
PLAYER AGE	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20
190-200	0	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	0	1	3	3	0	0	1	2	0
170-179	3	3	2	2	4	3	3	2	3	4
160-169	4	7	3	8	7	6	8	1	5	7
150-159	9	14	15	13	16	13	14	14	13	21
140-149	16	20	14	15	21	18	19	22	11	12
130-139	35	40	43	37	42	60	54	38	38	35
120-129	44	47	46	37	52	46	67	65	60	58
110-119	61	56	72	69	72	84	102	76	94	75
100-109	110	71	74	63	92	102	126	108	109	80

BIRTH YEAR	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005
PLAYER AGE	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14	12-13	11-12	10-11	9-10
190-200	0	2	4	4	5	2	4	0	0	1
180-189	3	3	3	4	9	7	2	1	2	0
170-179	4	4	7	8	17	29	5	1	1	2
160-169	7	7	4	8	17	17	9	0	2	3
150-159	20	20	22	13	39	35	11	5	3	4
140-149	14	14	20	15	27	40	7	3	1	2
130-139	25	30	45	36	86	85	41	13	7	11
120-129	61	52	84	79	122	147	25	11	19	13
110-119	63	82	101	128	215	214	80	26	19	29
100-109	57	83	76	133	235	266	66	16	15	14

Test 2 2025

BIRTH YEAR	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010
PLAYER AGE	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15
190-200	2	4	0	0	1	0	1	0	0	0
180-189	7	2	1	2	0	1	0	0	1	0
170-179	29	5	1	2	2	1	0	1	1	2
160-169	17	11	2	3	6	2	9	7	2	0
150-159	36	15	8	10	9	5	9	6	2	0
140-149	43	12	12	3	8	10	15	10	9	1
130-139	94	60	27	28	45	26	35	35	18	7
120-129	161	70	48	53	59	38	58	54	24	8
110-119	209	127	82	108	89	85	128	138	57	14
100-109	257	144	90	98	105	127	185	160	75	22

BIRTH YEAR	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000
PLAYER AGE	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	2	4	4	4
180-189	0	0	1	2	0	3	3	3	4	9
170-179	3	3	1	3	4	4	4	7	8	18
160-169	6	8	1	5	7	7	7	4	8	17
150-159	12	14	14	13	21	20	20	22	13	40
140-149	18	18	21	11	12	14	13	20	15	28
130-139	59	52	36	35	34	25	28	43	35	87
120-129	42	60	59	58	54	58	46	79	76	143
110-119	82	84	59	79	65	60	72	89	102	201
100-109	84	90	86	80	67	49	61	56	97	236

Test 2 2035

BIRTH YEAR	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011
PLAYER AGE	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25
190-200	4	0	0	1	0	1	0	0	0	0
180-189	2	1	2	0	1	0	0	2	1	0
170-179	5	1	2	2	1	0	1	2	5	2
160-169	11	2	3	6	2	9	7	2	4	4
150-159	15	8	10	9	5	9	6	7	10	12
140-149	12	12	3	8	10	15	10	14	12	16
130-139	58	27	28	45	26	35	35	41	40	44
120-129	66	46	51	58	35	56	53	44	44	46
110-119	104	68	93	80	72	100	112	83	88	85
100-109	119	80	80	83	111	136	123	108	84	101

BIRTH YEAR	2012	2013	2014	2015	2016	2017	2018	2019	2020	2021
PLAYER AGE	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15
190-200	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0
180-189	0	1	3	1	2	2	0	0	0	0
170-179	2	4	3	2	2	0	1	6	0	0
160-169	6	8	8	4	6	2	7	2	1	0
150-159	9	15	17	15	20	15	17	14	2	0
140-149	18	16	19	19	19	22	15	6	1	0
130-139	42	61	56	52	49	29	39	17	4	0
120-129	53	63	67	63	65	53	51	42	13	1
110-119	104	104	98	109	92	98	83	45	35	11
100-109	100	111	119	114	106	100	90	64	44	12

[nino33]

Anyone else notice (if "add players/juniors" is selected) the large number of "Top" players the game adds now?



The original test (in January) did not have added players/juniors
The original test showed birth years 2000-2010 resulted in
- 0 players with a 190-200 PA
- 1 players with a 180-189 PA
- 8 players with a 170-179 PA


The first test above (with players/juniors added) shows
- 12 players with a 190-200 PA
- 24 players with a 180-189 PA
- 65 players with a 170-179 PA

The second test above (with players/juniors added) shows
- 13 players with a 190-200 PA
- 23 players with a 180-189 PA
- 61 players with a 170-179 PA

This high number of 170-200 PA players over an eleven year span (101 in test one, 97 in test two) is not seen in the players aged 18-29 at start-up (57 players) nor is it seen in the years that follow 2010 (only 35 such players in test two)

For a decade or so it seems generational talent has now become yearly talent!

[nino33]

-

Greetings!

Here are the rest of my test results...three more tests, one more with players/staff "added" and then two tests with players/staff "not added"



Test 3 2015-STARTUP Players-Staff-Juniors "added"

BIRTH YEAR	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005
PLAYER AGE	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14	12-13	11-12	10-11	9-10
190-200	1	3	0	1	3	5	2	1	2	0
180-189	0	1	1	4	7	6	7	0	0	1
170-179	2	4	8	5	23	20	10	1	5	3
160-169	6	4	8	5	16	14	3	1	1	0
150-159	10	23	28	27	33	48	16	6	5	6
140-149	13	11	17	15	18	33	8	4	4	4
130-139	36	31	30	47	80	82	25	6	12	4
120-129	47	69	78	77	122	156	39	13	9	20
110-119	70	93	111	104	212	303	81	16	26	21
100-109	71	77	107	126	240	267	64	13	20	16

BIRTH YEAR	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995
PLAYER AGE	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20
190-200	0	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	0	1	3	3	0	0	1	0	1
170-179	3	2	2	2	4	3	3	3	5	4
160-169	4	7	3	8	7	5	7	3	2	3
150-159	9	14	15	14	15	10	15	14	20	16
140-149	16	19	14	13	20	17	23	17	10	12
130-139	35	42	44	34	48	65	47	48	39	41
120-129	44	46	47	36	48	48	76	55	70	50
110-119	61	55	75	66	84	93	104	87	90	79
100-109	112	76	79	66	88	94	126	112	99	86

Test 3 2025

BIRTH YEAR	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010
PLAYER AGE	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15
190-200	5	2	1	2	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	6	7	0	0	1	1	1	1	0	0
170-179	20	10	1	5	3	0	2	0	2	0
160-169	14	4	5	2	1	1	6	3	3	4
150-159	48	18	12	13	7	3	8	6	3	2
140-149	36	14	9	9	13	12	13	13	11	3
130-139	85	49	18	33	22	29	44	32	17	6
120-129	175	81	41	48	60	40	60	52	15	12
110-119	246	125	86	102	97	92	171	143	81	19
100-109	255	129	88	94	122	132	171	175	69	18

BIRTH YEAR	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000
PLAYER AGE	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	1	3	0	1	3
180-189	0	0	1	0	1	0	1	1	4	7
170-179	3	3	3	5	4	3	4	8	5	23
160-169	5	7	2	2	3	6	4	8	5	17
150-159	10	15	14	20	16	10	23	28	27	34
140-149	16	23	17	10	12	13	11	16	15	18
130-139	65	46	47	39	41	35	31	30	47	86
120-129	46	62	47	64	47	47	61	76	72	139
110-119	76	78	70	76	72	66	77	90	88	187
100-109	77	94	86	85	77	66	64	81	90	235

Test 3 2035

BIRTH YEAR	2012	2013	2014	2015	2016	2017	2018	2019	2020	2021
PLAYER AGE	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15
190-200	0	1	1	1	0	1	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	3	2	2	0	1	1	0	0	0
170-179	0	2	4	3	2	5	5	1	0	0
160-169	5	7	11	2	6	4	4	2	1	0
150-159	15	10	18	15	18	17	14	13	2	0
140-149	15	18	14	18	19	22	16	8	1	0
130-139	48	43	82	60	52	40	35	18	7	1
120-129	38	61	65	72	54	53	53	35	14	1
110-119	106	101	97	98	100	92	91	55	35	8
100-109	102	115	141	146	110	90	109	58	40	8

BIRTH YEAR	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011
PLAYER AGE	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25
190-200	2	1	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	7	0	0	1	1	1	1	0	0	1
170-179	10	1	6	3	0	2	0	2	5	5
160-169	4	5	2	1	1	6	3	4	11	3
150-159	18	12	13	7	3	8	6	8	14	12
140-149	14	9	9	13	12	13	13	17	10	13
130-139	48	18	33	22	29	44	32	41	30	39
120-129	76	41	46	59	39	57	52	35	58	54
110-119	100	72	95	80	83	137	118	109	87	99
100-109	102	75	82	108	103	115	137	106	85	89

Test 3 2045

BIRTH YEAR	2022	2023	2024	2025	2026	2027	2028	2029	2030	2031
PLAYER AGE	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14
190-200	0	0	2	1	2	4	2	3	1	0
180-189	0	1	1	5	2	6	4	4	3	0
170-179	6	6	15	10	9	10	7	4	0	0
160-169	6	3	8	10	5	12	5	0	2	0
150-159	25	33	25	26	21	20	17	7	0	0
140-149	16	9	20	15	16	19	16	5	5	0
130-139	48	53	42	46	34	43	28	14	6	0
120-129	100	96	97	94	43	56	56	34	13	0
110-119	136	152	116	105	104	119	113	81	36	11
100-109	147	134	121	113	140	116	122	84	43	7

BIRTH YEAR	2012	2013	2014	2015	2016	2017	2018	2019	2020	2021
PLAYER AGE	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24
190-200	0	1	1	1	0	1	0	0	1	1
180-189	0	3	2	2	0	1	1	0	0	0
170-179	0	2	4	3	2	5	5	3	3	5
160-169	5	7	11	2	6	4	4	4	4	6
150-159	15	10	18	15	18	17	14	20	12	18
140-149	15	18	14	18	19	21	16	9	11	18
130-139	48	43	82	58	51	39	35	40	44	43
120-129	37	59	64	69	54	53	52	59	73	87
110-119	97	80	78	78	86	85	81	112	126	145
100-109	85	97	113	118	92	81	97	95	146	168

[nino33]

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Here's the first test without any of the "add" boxes checked...



Test 4 2015-STARTUP Players-Staff-Juniors "not added"

BIRTH YEAR	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005
PLAYER AGE	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14	12-13	11-12	10-11	9-10
190-200	0	0	1	1	1	2	1	1	2	3
180-189	2	3	4	2	1	2	4	1	1	1
170-179	3	6	3	4	8	11	2	2	1	1
160-169	6	5	9	1	9	8	2	2	1	0
150-159	12	18	21	10	13	15	7	8	6	8
140-149	9	13	16	9	10	13	2	3	4	4
130-139	28	28	27	23	28	31	13	7	10	10
120-129	49	53	63	56	61	48	19	9	19	14
110-119	78	67	74	63	77	95	21	24	22	17
100-109	75	65	56	76	91	83	26	12	12	21

BIRTH YEAR	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995
PLAYER AGE	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20
190-200	0	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	0	1	3	3	0	0	0	1	2
170-179	3	3	2	2	4	3	2	2	6	2
160-169	4	7	3	8	7	5	10	5	2	4
150-159	9	14	15	13	14	12	20	13	18	17
140-149	16	19	14	15	23	18	13	19	14	7
130-139	35	42	44	35	44	59	55	43	43	46
120-129	44	47	47	39	53	43	89	60	63	57
110-119	62	54	72	61	77	91	112	90	72	80
100-109	108	71	78	78	89	93	118	96	101	78

Test 4 2025 Players-Staff-Juniors "not added"

BIRTH YEAR	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010
PLAYER AGE	24-25	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16
190-200	2	1	1	2	3	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	2	4	1	1	1	1	1	0	0	1
170-179	11	2	2	1	3	0	0	3	0	0
160-169	7	4	5	2	2	4	2	2	7	1
150-159	18	9	12	12	16	2	1	11	4	3
140-149	15	5	9	10	10	7	12	19	6	1
130-139	45	30	30	29	31	27	25	34	22	3
120-129	81	68	29	50	64	45	45	30	24	3
110-119	139	82	88	110	74	68	96	75	43	3
100-109	158	117	84	93	126	96	90	123	39	10

BIRTH YEAR	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000
PLAYER AGE	34-35	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	1
180-189	0	0	0	1	2	2	3	4	2	1
170-179	3	2	2	6	2	3	6	3	4	8
160-169	5	10	5	2	4	6	5	9	1	9
150-159	12	20	12	18	17	12	18	21	10	13
140-149	18	13	19	14	7	9	13	16	9	11
130-139	58	54	42	43	45	28	27	26	23	37
120-129	42	72	52	57	57	48	51	62	56	85
110-119	84	95	75	66	73	68	58	64	56	107
100-109	80	92	73	84	68	68	49	42	67	143

BIRTH YEAR	1983	1984	1985	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990
PLAYER AGE	42-43	41-42	40-41	39-40	38-39	37-38	36-37	35-36
190-200	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	1	0	1	3	3
170-179	0	0	3	2	3	2	2	4
160-169	0	2	2	4	6	3	8	7
150-159	1	4	6	4	12	14	13	14
140-149	3	3	8	14	13	13	14	23
130-139	0	5	5	21	25	38	32	43
120-129	0	1	8	21	35	35	37	51
110-119	0	0	0	8	12	43	50	74
100-109	0	0	1	3	12	42	60	68

41 year old Brent Seabrook at 127CA/160PA playing for EC Red Bulls Salzburg & 40 year old Corey Perry at 127CA/172PA playing for HC VERVA Litvinov



Test 4 2035 Players-Staff-Juniors " not added"

BIRTH YEAR	2012	2013	2014	2015	2016	2017	2018	2019	2020	2021
PLAYER AGE	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15
190-200	0	1	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	0	3	1	0	0	2	1	0	0
170-179	3	2	2	1	3	2	3	1	0	0
160-169	7	5	3	4	7	5	8	4	0	0
150-159	11	9	14	18	14	18	13	12	3	0
140-149	19	12	16	15	18	21	14	10	2	0
130-139	38	46	49	52	61	34	36	15	4	0
120-129	54	49	63	59	68	49	50	20	8	0
110-119	94	80	80	92	85	79	71	29	17	0
100-109	89	90	102	87	81	78	71	33	16	2

BIRTH YEAR	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011
PLAYER AGE	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25
190-200	1	1	2	3	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	4	1	1	1	1	1	0	0	1	1
170-179	2	2	1	3	0	0	3	0	2	3
160-169	4	5	2	2	4	2	2	8	5	6
150-159	9	12	12	16	2	1	11	10	13	16
140-149	5	9	10	10	7	12	19	12	9	17
130-139	30	30	29	31	27	25	34	41	38	42
120-129	66	29	49	63	44	45	29	46	40	49
110-119	76	83	105	69	64	92	65	70	63	103
100-109	102	77	90	112	88	82	112	82	72	82

BIRTH YEAR	1992	1993	1994	1995	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001
PLAYER AGE	43-44	42-43	41-42	40-41	39-40	38-39	37-38	36-37	35-36	34-35
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	1	2
180-189	0	0	1	2	1	3	4	2	1	2
170-179	0	2	6	2	2	6	3	4	8	11
160-169	1	1	2	2	6	4	8	1	9	7
150-159	0	2	5	5	7	15	21	10	13	17
140-149	1	2	6	5	6	9	13	9	11	15
130-139	0	0	1	10	13	18	23	22	37	44
120-129	0	0	4	10	16	35	55	53	81	80
110-119	0	0	0	2	2	12	28	42	91	120
100-109	0	0	1	1	7	14	18	48	126	134

[nino33]

-

And here's the final test results...




Test 5 2015-STARTUP Players-Staff-Juniors "not added"

BIRTH YEAR	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005
PLAYER AGE	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14	12-13	11-12	10-11	9-10
190-200	2	1	0	1	0	5	1	2	1	0
180-189	3	1	3	1	3	3	0	0	0	0
170-179	3	2	5	3	11	4	1	1	0	4
160-169	3	8	11	2	5	4	2	1	3	1
150-159	20	17	13	13	22	12	8	1	8	8
140-149	9	14	18	12	13	12	5	3	4	1
130-139	33	28	26	25	31	39	19	9	7	8
120-129	52	57	62	47	63	57	18	17	14	16
110-119	59	78	82	69	110	85	36	22	30	17
100-109	56	68	68	64	104	86	21	10	11	10

BIRTH YEAR	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995
PLAYER AGE	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20
190-200	0	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	0	1	3	3	0	0	0	1	1
170-179	3	3	2	2	4	3	3	1	5	3
160-169	4	8	3	8	7	5	5	3	9	3
150-159	9	14	15	13	15	12	12	17	10	23
140-149	16	19	15	14	19	19	21	13	15	11
130-139	35	40	41	31	44	60	43	50	46	37
120-129	44	49	45	37	51	46	84	61	51	46
110-119	60	55	68	67	81	91	122	97	100	88
100-109	113	68	83	72	87	103	120	101	108	68

Test 5 2025 Players-Staff-Juniors "not added"

BIRTH YEAR	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010
PLAYER AGE	24-25	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16
190-200	5	1	2	1	0	0	0	1	0	0
180-189	3	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	0
170-179	4	1	1	1	4	1	0	0	0	0
160-169	4	4	2	6	3	2	4	3	5	0
150-159	13	11	4	12	17	3	6	7	6	3
140-149	14	8	9	8	9	13	8	14	7	0
130-139	54	37	28	22	27	32	28	42	14	10
120-129	81	64	53	38	59	42	42	33	27	6
110-119	129	112	84	95	96	78	92	84	32	11
100-109	166	116	91	105	100	94	112	110	39	8

BIRTH YEAR	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000
PLAYER AGE	34-35	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	1	0
180-189	0	0	0	1	1	3	1	3	1	3
170-179	3	3	1	5	3	3	2	5	3	11
160-169	5	5	3	9	3	3	8	11	2	5
150-159	12	11	16	10	23	20	17	13	13	23
140-149	19	21	13	15	11	9	14	18	12	15
130-139	59	41	48	46	37	33	28	26	25	36
120-129	41	78	55	46	41	52	57	61	47	88
110-119	84	100	84	86	82	55	69	70	55	135
100-109	82	89	70	86	61	50	54	54	55	164

BIRTH YEAR	1983	1984	1985	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990
PLAYER AGE	42-43	41-42	40-41	39-40	38-39	37-38	36-37	35-36
190-200	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	0
180-189	1	0	1	1	0	1	2	3
170-179	0	0	5	2	3	2	2	4
160-169	0	0	3	4	8	3	8	7
150-159	0	2	7	6	12	13	13	15
140-149	3	3	7	10	17	15	14	19
130-139	1	1	6	19	22	37	31	41
120-129	0	1	12	19	30	39	36	48
110-119	0	0	1	6	11	38	60	66
100-109	0	0	2	5	10	43	53	65

Test 5 2035 Players-Staff-Juniors "not added"

BIRTH YEAR	2012	2013	2014	2015	2016	2017	2018	2019	2020	2021
PLAYER AGE	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15
190-200	0	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	2	1	3	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	3	2	0	2	5	4	3	1	0	0
160-169	2	4	8	4	4	8	0	5	0	0
150-159	10	10	20	14	19	14	15	8	2	0
140-149	15	12	17	16	25	15	13	12	0	0
130-139	45	45	58	58	45	41	35	18	5	0
120-129	46	54	61	52	47	52	54	29	4	0
110-119	94	91	88	90	102	79	76	33	16	3
100-109	87	84	96	102	84	64	68	43	15	3

BIRTH YEAR	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011
PLAYER AGE	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25
190-200	1	1	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	3	0
170-179	1	1	1	4	1	0	0	0	3	5
160-169	4	2	6	3	2	4	4	6	5	5
150-159	11	4	12	17	3	6	7	9	16	11
140-149	8	9	8	9	13	8	14	14	9	22
130-139	37	28	22	27	31	28	42	28	34	36
120-129	64	53	38	55	42	42	33	51	45	49
110-119	102	77	89	89	75	84	78	58	89	85
100-109	103	81	92	90	87	94	98	88	67	79

BIRTH YEAR	1992	1993	1994	1995	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001
PLAYER AGE	43-44	42-43	41-42	40-41	39-40	38-39	37-38	36-37	35-36	34-35
190-200	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	1	0	5
180-189	0	0	1	1	3	1	3	1	3	3
170-179	0	0	3	3	3	2	5	3	11	4
160-169	1	1	7	3	3	8	11	2	5	4
150-159	0	0	2	8	14	15	12	13	23	13
140-149	0	2	7	3	4	13	17	12	15	13
130-139	0	0	1	6	12	14	20	25	35	53
120-129	0	0	4	9	24	34	50	44	86	78
110-119	0	0	0	2	5	13	31	46	105	112
100-109	0	0	0	1	0	10	23	45	139	140

Test 5 2045 Players-Staff-Juniors "not added"

BIRTH YEAR	2022	2023	2024	2025	2026	2027	2028	2029	2030	2031
PLAYER AGE	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14
190-200	0	0	1	0	3	2	0	0	1	0
180-189	3	2	1	4	1	1	1	1	0	0
170-179	2	4	8	5	3	4	2	0	1	0
160-169	4	5	2	6	3	4	5	1	1	0
150-159	29	13	14	12	13	9	9	4	2	0
140-149	17	9	17	13	5	11	10	7	2	0
130-139	32	30	48	34	31	27	23	14	5	0
120-129	61	58	58	58	57	60	51	31	7	0
110-119	85	111	106	90	92	83	95	41	15	3
100-109	112	105	112	100	100	94	88	52	20	4

BIRTH YEAR	2012	2013	2014	2015	2016	2017	2018	2019	2020	2021
PLAYER AGE	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24
190-200	0	2	1	0	0	0	0	1	0	0
180-189	0	0	2	1	3	0	0	0	0	1
170-179	3	2	0	2	5	4	3	3	3	3
160-169	2	4	8	4	4	8	0	10	14	4
150-159	10	10	20	14	19	14	15	13	20	6
140-149	15	12	17	16	25	15	13	15	15	9
130-139	45	45	57	58	44	40	35	27	26	27
120-129	44	54	61	52	47	52	54	59	45	70
110-119	90	81	82	81	96	77	74	66	97	109
100-109	82	75	86	88	75	60	64	61	99	140

BIRTH YEAR	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011
PLAYER AGE	43	42-43	41-42	40-41	39-40	38-39	37-38	36-37	35-36	34-35	33-34
190-200	1	1	1	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	0
180-189	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	3	0
170-179	0	0	0	1	3	1	0	0	0	3	5
160-169	0	1	1	2	2	2	4	4	6	5	5
150-159	0	0	0	5	10	2	3	6	9	16	11
140-149	0	0	1	4	5	8	6	13	14	9	22
130-139	0	0	1	2	9	19	19	36	28	33	36
120-129	0	0	0	3	15	14	19	28	49	45	49
110-119	0	0	0	0	2	7	11	36	49	73	76
100-109	0	0	0	1	7	9	23	41	78	54	68

The original test did not have added players/juniors http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 26&t=15860
The original test showed birth years 2000-2010 resulted in
- 0 players with a 190-200 PA
- 1 players with a 180-189 PA
- 8 players with a 170-179 PA
NOTE the original test was done with 1.0, the five tests below with 1.1


And now the most recent five tests.....
Test 1 (with players/juniors added) shows
- 12 players with a 190-200 PA
- 24 players with a 180-189 PA
- 65 players with a 170-179 PA

Test 2 (with players/juniors added) shows
- 13 players with a 190-200 PA
- 23 players with a 180-189 PA
- 61 players with a 170-179 PA

Test 3 (with players/juniors added) shows
- 13 players with a 190-200 PA
- 24 players with a 180-189 PA
- 66 players with a 170-179 PA

Test 4 (without players/juniors added) shows
- 10 players with a 190-200 PA
- 13 players with a 180-189 PA
- 30 players with a 170-179 PA

Test 5 (without players/juniors added) shows
- 10 players with a 190-200 PA
- 8 players with a 180-189 PA
- 23 players with a 170-179 PA

This high number of 170-200 PA players over an eleven year span (101 in test one, 97 in test two) is not seen in the players aged 18-29 at start-up (57 players) nor is it seen in the years that follow 2010 (only 35 such players in test two)

The most recent testing shows similar results, the initial influx of talent is not repeated (and also, it seems that the PAs are recycled/reused for "regens" as they were in EHM07)

It seems choosing "not" to add players/juniors still adds some, just not as many.....
Maybe it's just adding juniors that does this, and not players too, I'm not sure...

For a decade or so it seems generational talent has now become yearly talent!

This is most definitely the case!



A couple others things I sorta noticed but didn't look into further (lack of time).....I noticed an old Corey Perry playing overseas at a CA level below the NHL average and thought "I can see it for Europeans/Russians, but I don't think North American former NHL stars/superstars are going to play in Europe/Russia in their old age).....

And I noticed the "excessive quality" of some of the old guys in test 5 - in 2045 41 year old Finn Petteri Pennanen has a CA/PA of 198/200, 40 year old Czech Simon Vejvoda has a CA/PA of 198/198, 43 year old American Timmy Aiken has a CA/PA of 180/196, 43 year old American Jason Richards has a CA/PA of 180/180, 39 year old Czech Marco Senkerík has a CA/PA of 175/175, etc (not all the old guys with high PAs still have high CAs, but many do...but 42 year old Canadian has a CA/PA of 149/197, 39 year old American Aran Gorowsky has a CA/PA of 136/172, etc)


RIZ - It seems all players retire by age 43 (no chance for a Chris Chelios or Gordie Howe it seems).....is this intended?

[nino33]

July 2016 - Regen Testing

I've got two tests going right now
- one with no players/staff added at start-up
- one with all possible "add players/staff" chosen at start-up

But the numbers seem odd to me...the test with no one added has 50,163 players and the test with all players added has only 52,154 players - I expected the test with all players added to have more than 1991 players added, but perhaps not...
EDIT - I was never comfortable with this weirdness, and have found out that the data had not exported properly and/or wasn't "cleaned up" (by me) properly.....and after many hours today I've found/fixed the issues! The EHM Assistant is a fabulous tool, and I'm so thankful to have it for testing, but there's issues with the exporting [some things cause the columns to not line up properly (for example, players whose name includes Jr. & the team name Saint-Georges COOL FM 103.5), and sometimes it seems columns are overwritten, and other similar oddities (the four columns of Club Playing-Division Playing-Club Contracted-Division Contracted seem to cause issues sometimes and result in columns getting mixed up)].....it sure adds to the effort required!...another example, the column for DOB shows Birth Year but if you scroll down it also shows actual full DOBs and so you have to use a Text Search of "Contains" the Birth Year you want, you can't just select the Birth Year

The player numbers oddity is no more, as "no one added" has 40,607 (not 50,163) and "all players added" was/is correct at 52,154

I'll probably run another test or two in the future (at least one with added players), but it takes about two weeks of around the clock simming to sim 20+ years into the future, so it won't be happening anytime soon! Currently one save is in September 2018 and the other in December 2019
I've got the "all players added" save up to 2025, and the "no one added" is now in 2024, so the plan is once I get the "no players added" startup (2015) data compiled/posted I'll get to compiling/posting the 2025 data soon after (and thanks to Primis, who's helping out by running a "Add Junior Players" test!)

I'm also looking at more than just player PA now!...I'm looking at CA too & I'm looking at PA by Nation too




Here's the initial/start-up results (As always, testing was done with all Leagues on Enhanced and Full database/Full Detail)...


Test 1 at startup - no players/staff added
Deleted to be reviewed/corrected, to be reposted soon

Test 2 at startup - players/staff added
Deleted/reviewed to ensure accuracy, to be reposted right away!

[Bam_Margera]

Utmost respect for the research you are doing! It is a very interresting read and will most liekly change my contract negotiation tactics in-game, especially regarding older players.

[dave1927p]

Wow! Fantastic research here, Nino. It certainly shows very clearly some areas that require attention/tweaking.

[BKarchitect]

I feel like skating should have a bigger impact on CA...I think this would help "deteriorate" star players when they get older more effectively. The bottom line in the NHL, at least, is if your skating falls below a certain point - your other attributes become relatively moot. If you can't keep up with the speed of play (and aren't one of those very rare man-mountain players or an enforcer) - you're going to be of extremely little value. You may still be able to throw a big check, you may still be able shoot really, really hard but if you can't move at NHL speed - you'll have a hard time staying in the game.

In that regard - the deterioration of the skating attributes actually seems really accurate, it appears in many cases it's just not accompanied by a significant decrease in CA...which leads to 42 year-old former stars still retaining high CA and top roles on teams despite skating ratings in the 3, 4, 5 range. And you still have, IMO, team rosters with an average age that is way to high. I think if you compare the average age of an NHL team (probably in the 26-27 range...just guessing) to the average EHM NHL squad age say 10 years into the game, you'll find it much higher. Loaded with 30+ year-olds seemingly. Nino - I'm sure you may have looked at that. The other thing that star players that don't have declining CA does is it makes it hard for younger players with high PA and developing CA to obtain important (scoring line) roles on teams. So then these younger guys end up developing with high CA but really low statistical output until much later in their careers. At least I have noticed this...

[BKarchitect]

To broaden the discussion a bit...I feel like the game would be improved if there was a way to make the skating attributes and mental attributes (anticipation, decision making, determination) have a higher net value in the CA. IMO, whether you are a young prospect or an aging star, these are the fundamental attributes that will have a disproportionate affect on your ability to progress (or stay in) the game of hockey.

Or...going off into fantasy land here...but what would be ideal is to be able to tailor important attribute levels for each league. So for the NHL, for example, if you had skating attributes less than oh say, just spit-balling, an '8' - despite having a great skill set, the game would limit your ability to have an impact and the CPU GM's would recognize this keep you lower on the depth chart. It could also make attributes like bravery and balance (attributes that let you withstand rough, physical NHL play) important while over in a European league, less emphasis would be placed on those and more on the skating attributes for the larger rink sizes.

This would allow a guy like say Brad Kozun or Linus Omark - too small and finesse oriented to make an NHL impact but in actuality, much more skilled than a lot of NHL'ers - to be rated accurately but still be a long-shot to be effective in the NHL.

It would also allow a prospect like Sean Day, who is a fantastic skater, has great size and physical tools but poor decision making - to have a high PA but only a small chance to make an NHL impact unless his mental attributes develop.

Again - I know this is fantasy land stuff at the moment but it is the kind of customization that would make for a much more intricate and realistic game!

[Alessandro]

I think if you compare the average age of an NHL team (probably in the 26-27 range...just guessing) to the average EHM NHL squad age say 10 years into the game, you'll find it much higher. Loaded with 30+ year-olds seemingly.

I think that you're underrating the effect the reputation has in the game. I think that, while it has improved since 07 and since the early EA stage, players gain reputation but don't lose it as quick enough in most of cases.

[nino33]

Linus Omark - too small and finesse oriented to make an NHL impact but in actuality, much more skilled than a lot of NHL'ers - to be rated accurately but still be a long-shot to be effective in the NHL.

IMO your assessment of his talent is way off
If the NHL game was as slow as it is in Europe/Russia, with as little physical contact/defense played, you'd be surprised how many NHLers are as talented as Omark

When the game is much faster, with less time to react, Omark not only can't show his talent but can't play the (defensive) NHL game either

3rd and 4th line NHLers can look amazing in practice, but can't do the same things offensively when the game is much faster and people are actually playing defense/checking


To me the KHL (which I've watched for a few years now) looks more like ringette than hockey
I'm not saying it's better or worse as entertainment (better probably), but they're not even the same game (3rd/4th line NHLers can be top scorers in the KHL! in fact a guy who couldn't produce in the AHL has the KHL most goals in a season record.....the bigger ice and style of play makes the speed of the game in the offensive zone as slow or slower than an NHL practice)

The general idea that Europeans/Russians have "skill/talent" and North Americans don't is simply not true IMO
And there are players that are "to small/finesse" players in the NHL now! Omark was simply wasn't good enough to do what he does quick enough to be an NHL player, so he's not one of them

[nino33]

I think if you compare the average age of an NHL team (probably in the 26-27 range...just guessing) to the average EHM NHL squad age say 10 years into the game, you'll find it much higher. Loaded with 30+ year-olds seemingly.

I think that you're underrating the effect the reputation has in the game. I think that, while it has improved since 07 and since the early EA stage, players gain reputation but don't lose it as quick enough in most of cases.

Anyone that wants to could easily look into this with the EHM Assistant and then we'd have data/facts

[Alessandro]

in fact a guy who couldn't produce in the AHL has the KHL most goals in a season record....

There are also many examples who go in the opposite direction...
Have a look at stats of lockout players in the KHL... Jeoffrey Lupul, Evander Kane, even goalies as Pekka Rinne were embarrassing...
But I guess the euro vs NA players is an endless argument. And adaptation really plays a big role

[Alessandro]

I think if you compare the average age of an NHL team (probably in the 26-27 range...just guessing) to the average EHM NHL squad age say 10 years into the game, you'll find it much higher. Loaded with 30+ year-olds seemingly.

I think that you're underrating the effect the reputation has in the game. I think that, while it has improved since 07 and since the early EA stage, players gain reputation but don't lose it as quick enough in most of cases.

Anyone that wants to could easily look into this with the EHM Assistant and then we'd have data/facts

Well, just open a saved game and you'll see that average age is around 30 years in most leagues, especially after 4-5 seasons...

[nino33]

Well, just open a saved game and you'll see that average age is around 30 years in most leagues, especially after 4-5 seasons...

The idea was maybe someone else would for a change

[nino33]

in fact a guy who couldn't produce in the AHL has the KHL most goals in a season record....

There are also many examples who go in the opposite direction...
Have a look at stats of lockout players in the KHL... Jeoffrey Lupul, Evander Kane, even goalies as Pekka Rinne were embarrassing...
But I guess the euro vs NA players is an endless argument. And adaptation really plays a big role

I wasn't comparing European/Russian players with North American players.
I was comparing "Leagues" (play styles) and pointing out that players not good enough for North America can be stars in Europe/Russia (regardless of what country they're from!), while players not good enough for European/Russian Leagues won't even make the NHL, let alone be stars

[Manimal]

in fact a guy who couldn't produce in the AHL has the KHL most goals in a season record....

There are also many examples who go in the opposite direction...
Have a look at stats of lockout players in the KHL... Jeoffrey Lupul, Evander Kane, even goalies as Pekka Rinne were embarrassing...
But I guess the euro vs NA players is an endless argument. And adaptation really plays a big role

The lockout players are a bad example. Many players didn't really care about how they played and only played in Europe for fun.
There were solid NHLers that played badly in the Swedish Allsvenskan for example

[Alessandro]

in fact a guy who couldn't produce in the AHL has the KHL most goals in a season record....

There are also many examples who go in the opposite direction...
Have a look at stats of lockout players in the KHL... Jeoffrey Lupul, Evander Kane, even goalies as Pekka Rinne were embarrassing...
But I guess the euro vs NA players is an endless argument. And adaptation really plays a big role

The lockout players are a bad example. Many players didn't really care about how they played and only played in Europe for fun.
There were solid NHLers that played badly in the Swedish Allsvenskan for example

This is why NHL players should be banned to join European teams in case of lockout.
Some players were excellent (Malkin, Ovechkin, Kulyomin, etc.) but most of them were absolutely terrible.
We're going OTer and OTer tho

[nino33]

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I've got two tests going right now
- one with no players/staff added at start-up
- one with all possible "add players/staff" chosen at start-up

Here's the results from Test 2 (all possible players/staff added) at startup


PA at startup - Birth Years 1976-2005

BIRTH YEAR	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005
PA Range/Player Age	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14	12-13	11-12	10-11	9-10
190-200	0	0	0	0	2	3	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	1	0	0	4	3	2	0	0	0
170-179	1	5	11	5	20	21	5	1	1	0
160-169	3	8	11	9	29	21	11	0	1	1
150-159	8	8	20	16	45	59	8	1	1	2
140-149	9	14	18	17	29	30	10	0	1	1
130-139	15	32	23	39	70	81	19	1	4	3
120-129	47	63	80	96	154	162	45	9	10	7
110-119	57	68	73	103	156	159	56	10	5	10
100-109	50	63	67	104	168	191	35	9	4	9

NOTE - from past testing, the very youngest players are not the only players for those Birth Years, as it seems the game will add a few more as the initial years pass (which will show up in the 2025 data)

BIRTH YEAR	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995
PA Range/Player Age	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20
190-200	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	1
180-189	1	0	1	2	2	0	0	0	0	1
170-179	3	2	1	2	2	3	2	3	4	0
160-169	3	3	3	6	4	2	4	1	6	1
150-159	5	6	10	6	6	6	11	6	10	8
140-149	10	10	5	6	15	12	11	12	5	7
130-139	16	23	22	15	33	44	31	28	29	25
120-129	27	34	22	20	32	37	61	37	50	36
110-119	38	32	45	45	44	49	73	48	64	57
100-109	62	52	42	38	44	58	72	59	61	57

BIRTH YEAR	1976	1977	1978	1979	1980	1981	1982	1983	1984	1985
PA Range/Player Age	38-39	37-38	36-37	35-36	34-35	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	1
170-179	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4
160-169	0	1	1	0	3	1	0	1	4	3
150-159	0	0	1	2	0	3	3	2	6	5
140-149	1	0	1	2	4	4	5	6	8	5
130-139	0	3	4	3	5	7	14	11	21	12
120-129	2	5	8	7	10	16	16	14	18	25
110-119	2	8	12	16	28	24	25	32	36	49
100-109	7	4	18	24	26	21	26	36	46	59

CA at startup - All Players/Ages, by Nation

Nation & CA Range	Austria	Belarus	Canada	Crotia	Czech Republic	Denmark	Finland	France	Germany	Hungary
190-200	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	6	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	0	0	9	0	0	0	1	0	0	0
160-169	0	0	19	0	2	0	1	0	0	0
150-159	0	0	37	0	7	1	4	0	0	0
140-149	1	0	69	0	5	3	13	0	2	0
130-139	2	1	125	0	22	2	16	2	4	0
120-129	1	2	205	1	22	3	36	1	3	0
110-119	1	3	174	0	55	2	49	1	9	0
100-109	8	11	223	2	75	6	71	1	13	1

Nation & CA Range	Kazakhstan	Latvia	Lithuania	Norway	Russia	Slovakia	Slovenia	Sweden	Switzerland	USA
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	1	0	1
170-179	0	0	0	0	2	0	1	4	0	2
160-169	0	0	0	0	4	2	0	6	1	14
150-159	0	0	0	1	18	1	0	8	0	19
140-149	0	1	0	0	27	3	0	19	1	36
130-139	0	1	0	1	58	1	0	37	6	52
120-129	2	10	2	3	49	14	1	48	8	110
110-119	4	3	0	2	99	30	1	78	7	78
100-109	9	5	0	9	44	33	5	120	17	92

PA at startup - All Players/Ages, by Nation

Nation & PA Range	Australia	Austria	Belarus	Belgium	Bulgaria	Canada	Chinese Taipei	Croatia	Czech Republic	Denmark
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	6	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	11	0	0	1	0
170-179	0	3	0	0	0	66	0	0	7	0
160-169	0	1	0	0	0	85	0	0	12	1
150-159	0	1	1	0	0	183	0	0	27	4
140-149	0	4	3	0	0	163	0	0	24	3
130-139	0	6	5	0	0	354	1	0	65	5
120-129	0	11	7	2	1	587	2	2	111	8
110-119	1	20	28	4	0	646	0	3	182	21
100-109	2	22	26	2	1	663	1	2	185	26

Nation & PA Range	Estonia	Finland	France	Germany	Great Britain	Hong Kong	Hungary	Iceland	Israel	Italy
190-200	0	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	0	21	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
160-169	0	20	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
150-159	0	49	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0
140-149	0	39	0	2	0	0	0	1	1	0
130-139	1	100	2	20	0	1	0	0	0	0
120-129	0	214	4	30	24	4	3	2	4	3
110-119	0	220	5	55	28	5	6	4	4	6
100-109	2	248	4	79	40	4	3	4	1	9

Nation & PA Range	Japan	Kazakhstan	Latvia	Lithuania	Luxembourg	Mexico	Netherlands	New Zealand	Nigeria	Norway
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
160-169	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
150-159	0	1	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	1
140-149	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	0	0	1
130-139	0	2	10	1	0	0	0	0	0	5
120-129	0	7	18	1	0	1	3	1	0	13
110-119	0	14	18	0	0	1	4	3	0	11
100-109	2	15	22	3	1	2	5	1	1	26

Nation & PA Range	Poland	Romania	Russia	Slovakia	Slovenia	South Africa	Spain	Sweden	Switzerland	Turkey
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	6	1	0
170-179	0	0	2	0	1	0	0	14	2	0
160-169	0	0	13	6	0	0	0	36	1	0
150-159	0	0	31	5	0	0	0	43	5	0
140-149	0	0	38	3	0	0	0	60	8	0
130-139	0	0	88	25	2	0	0	177	12	0
120-129	0	2	114	44	4	4	2	294	47	1
110-119	1	2	240	74	3	2	2	372	49	1
100-109	2	3	251	91	9	2	1	368	89	1

Nation & PA Range	Turkey	Ukraine	USA
190-200	0	0	3
180-189	0	0	7
170-179	0	0	32
160-169	0	0	54
150-159	0	0	99
140-149	0	0	72
130-139	0	2	186
120-129	1	0	356
110-119	1	3	369
100-109	1	8	345

[nino33]

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I've got two tests going right now
- one with no players/staff added at start-up
- one with all possible "add players/staff" chosen at start-up

Here's the results from Test 1 (no players/staff added) at startup


PA at startup - Birth Years 1976-2005

BIRTH YEAR	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005
PA Range/Player Age	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14	12-13	11-12	10-11	9-10
190-200	0	3	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	1	1	1	1	0	1	1	0	0
170-179	2	2	5	5	9	9	3	1	1	0
160-169	2	2	8	5	7	4	2	2	1	0
150-159	13	11	13	15	21	23	3	4	0	0
140-149	13	11	10	6	18	7	2	0	4	2
130-139	21	20	18	23	39	29	4	6	3	3
120-129	36	61	50	68	46	57	14	11	10	7
110-119	59	66	62	54	82	54	19	8	10	10
100-109	45	55	46	45	75	64	9	4	8	9

BIRTH YEAR	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990	1991	1992	1993	1994	1995
PA Range/Player Age	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20
190-200	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	0	1	2	2	0	0	1	1	1
170-179	3	2	1	2	2	3	3	1	4	3
160-169	3	3	3	6	4	2	4	3	2	0
150-159	4	6	10	6	6	6	13	4	10	7
140-149	10	10	5	6	15	10	11	11	8	12
130-139	17	23	22	14	29	47	21	28	23	20
120-129	27	34	21	19	33	36	62	42	43	41
110-119	39	33	45	43	45	50	62	40	69	55
100-109	67	52	43	40	44	58	65	45	53	43

BIRTH YEAR	1976	1977	1978	1979	1980	1981	1982	1983	1984	1985
PA Range/Player Age	38-39	37-38	36-37	35-36	34-35	33-34	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	1
170-179	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4
160-169	0	1	1	0	3	1	0	1	4	3
150-159	0	0	1	2	0	3	3	2	6	5
140-149	1	0	1	2	4	4	5	6	8	5
130-139	0	3	4	3	5	7	14	11	19	12
120-129	3	5	8	8	10	16	16	15	19	24
110-119	2	8	11	16	27	24	24	32	36	49
100-109	7	4	18	24	26	22	26	33	48	59

CA at startup - All Players/Ages, by Nation

Nation & CA Range	Austria	Belarus	Canada	Crotia	Czech Republic	Denmark	Finland	France	Germany	Hungary
190-200	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	6	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	0	0	9	0	0	0	1	0	0	0
160-169	0	0	19	0	3	0	1	0	0	0
150-159	1	0	36	0	6	2	4	0	0	0
140-149	0	0	70	0	4	2	12	0	2	0
130-139	1	0	118	0	21	2	18	2	4	0
120-129	2	3	219	2	21	3	36	1	3	0
110-119	1	3	168	0	57	2	46	0	10	0
100-109	8	11	222	1	75	5	72	2	13	1

Nation & CA Range	Kazakhstan	Latvia	Lithuania	Norway	Russia	Slovakia	Slovenia	Sweden	Switzerland	Ukraine	USA
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	1	0	0	1
170-179	0	0	0	0	2	0	1	3	0	0	2
160-169	0	0	0	0	2	2	0	8	1	0	15
150-159	0	0	0	1	4	1	0	8	0	0	21
140-149	0	0	0	0	9	3	0	18	1	0	33
130-139	0	2	0	1	26	1	0	40	6	0	51
120-129	2	10	1	3	42	15	2	48	6	0	109
110-119	4	3	1	1	97	28	1	80	8	1	75
100-109	9	4	0	8	116	34	5	122	17	2	95

PA at startup - All Players/Ages, by Nation

Nation & PA Range	Australia	Austria	Belarus	Belgium	Bulgaria	Canada	Chinese Taipei	Croatia	Czech Republic	Denmark
190-200	0	0	0	0	-	5	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	-	13	0	0	1	0
170-179	0	0	0	0	-	38	0	0	7	0
160-169	0	1	0	0	-	45	0	0	8	2
150-159	0	0	3	0	-	105	0	0	21	3
140-149	0	2	1	0	-	142	0	0	18	2
130-139	0	4	4	0	-	261	0	0	50	6
120-129	1	7	14	3	-	448	0	1	74	5
110-119	1	18	28	1	-	474	0	4	136	18
100-109	1	21	18	1	-	517	1	2	137	27

Nation & PA Range	Estonia	Finland	France	Germany	Great Britain	Hong Kong	Hungary	Iceland	Israel	Italy
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	-	0
180-189	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	-	0
170-179	0	11	0	1	0	0	0	0	-	0
160-169	0	9	0	0	0	0	0	0	-	0
150-159	0	27	1	3	0	0	0	0	-	0
140-149	0	29	0	4	0	0	0	0	-	0
130-139	0	69	2	13	1	0	0	0	-	0
120-129	1	86	2	22	3	2	2	1	-	2
110-119	1	129	3	40	9	3	3	3	-	5
100-109	3	149	7	64	6	3	3	1	-	4

Nation & PA Range	Japan	Kazakhstan	Latvia	Lithuania	Luxembourg	Mexico	Netherlands	New Zealand	Nigeria	Norway
190-200	0	0	0	0	-	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	0	0	-	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	0	0	0	0	-	0	0	0	0	0
160-169	0	0	0	0	-	0	0	0	0	0
150-159	0	1	5	0	-	0	0	0	0	1
140-149	0	1	1	0	-	0	0	0	0	1
130-139	0	1	10	1	-	0	0	0	0	5
120-129	1	12	17	2	-	0	0	2	0	6
110-119	2	11	14	0	-	0	1	0	0	16
100-109	0	16	30	1	-	1	2	0	1	15

Nation & PA Range	Poland	Romania	Russia	Slovakia	Slovenia	South Africa	Spain	Sweden	Switzerland	Turkey
190-200	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	4	0	0
170-179	0	0	6	0	1	0	0	10	4	0
160-169	0	0	5	3	0	0	0	15	2	0
150-159	0	0	29	8	0	0	0	35	6	0
140-149	0	0	37	4	1	0	0	40	7	0
130-139	1	0	89	19	1	0	0	147	9	0
120-129	0	1	121	41	2	0	1	197	41	1
110-119	2	0	234	71	3	1	1	278	47	0
100-109	0	0	239	82	8	0	0	294	68	1

Nation & PA Range	Ukraine	USA
190-200	0	1
180-189	0	4
170-179	0	25
160-169	0	35
150-159	0	70
140-149	1	57
130-139	0	145
120-129	0	251
110-119	4	278
100-109	7	241

NOTE - Bulgaria, Israel and Luxembourg were included for reference as they had players of 100+ PA with "all players/staff added" but 0 players/staff with "no players/staff added"

[nino33]

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Here's the first part of the results from Test 1 (no players/staff added) at 2025

BIRTH YEAR	2002	2003	2004	2005	2006	2007	2008	2009	2010	2011
PA Range/Player Age	22-23	21-22	20-21	19-20	18-19	17-18	16-17	15-16	14-15	13-14
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
180-189	1	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
170-179	3	1	1	0	0	0	1	0	1	0
160-169	3	2	2	3	2	4	2	1	1	0
150-159	5	6	1	2	3	6	10	2	5	1
140-149	5	2	8	6	7	4	13	2	7	1
130-139	20	19	16	15	12	19	26	9	12	3
120-129	36	28	25	24	28	31	23	19	14	2
110-119	51	55	52	56	54	59	40	51	25	7
100-109	69	55	77	81	50	87	77	28	22	10

BIRTH YEAR	1992	1993	1994	1995	1996	1997	1998	1999	2000	2001
PA Range/Player Age	32-33	31-32	30-31	29-30	28-29	27-28	26-27	25-26	24-25	23-24
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	0	1
180-189	0	1	1	1	1	1	0	1	1	0
170-179	3	1	4	3	2	2	3	5	9	9
160-169	4	3	2	0	2	2	2	5	7	4
150-159	13	4	10	7	13	11	8	15	22	26
140-149	11	11	8	12	13	11	8	6	18	8
130-139	21	28	22	20	21	20	17	23	39	34
120-129	56	40	42	40	35	59	30	66	57	65
110-119	56	36	65	52	57	59	43	49	118	89
100-109	57	36	42	39	40	52	21	38	123	116

BIRTH YEAR	1982	1983	1984	1985	1986	1987	1988	1989	1990	1991
PA Range/Player Age	42-43	41-42	40-41	39-40	38-39	37-38	36-37	35-36	34-35	33-34
190-200	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	0	0
180-189	0	1	0	1	1	0	1	2	2	0
170-179	0	0	0	1	2	2	1	1	2	3
160-169	0	0	0	0	1	2	3	6	4	2
150-159	0	0	0	0	3	0	6	6	6	6
140-149	0	0	0	1	4	5	5	4	13	10
130-139	0	0	0	2	3	4	10	8	29	47
120-129	0	0	0	0	0	7	10	14	29	36
110-119	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	12	29	44
100-109	0	0	0	0	0		5	6	26	41

Here's a look at the older players and their CA/PA (players with a 150+ PA).....

Year of Birth - Name CA/PA
1983 - Duncan Keith 146/182
1985 - Alexander Ovechkin 143/186
1985 - Shea Weber 139/178
1986 - Evgeni Malkin 144/180
1986 - Cory Schneider 156/176
1986 - Ben Bishop 141/170
1986 - Blake Wheeler 130/162
1986 - Tyler Bozak 114/156
1986 - Alexander Edler 115/154
1986 - Wojtek Wolski 115/151
1987 - Carey Price 180/190
1987 - Anze Kopitar 142/172
1987 - Nicklas Bäckström 139/172
1987 - Kris Letang 140/168
1987 - Nick Foligno 130/160
1988 - Jonathan Toews 184/192
1988 - Patrick Kane 180/182
1988 - Sergei Bobrovsky 150/170
1988 - Max Pacioretty 149/166
1988 - Semyon Varlamov 145/164
1988 - Kyle Okposo 130/162
1988 - Scott Darling 128/154
1988 - Erik Johnson 115/154
1988 - James Reimer 120/152
1988 - Steve Mason 120/150
1988 - Wayne Simmonds 124/150
1988 - Jakub Kovár 124/150
1989 - Braden Holtby 180/182
1989 - Jamie Benn 146/180
1989 - Ryan McDonagh 156/174
1989 - Logan Couture 144/166
1989 - Jake Muzzin 154/166
1989 - Kyle Turris 144/166
1989 - Kevin Shattenkirk 154/166
1989 - Jakub Vorácek 145/164
1989 - Harri Säteri 156/163
1989 - Chris Tanev 142/158
1989 - Mike Hoffman 120/154
1989 - Mikkel Bødker 136/154
1989 - Brandon Sutter 120/152
1989 - Colin Wilson 126/152
1989 - Jared Spurgeon 142/150
1990 - John Tavares 186/186
1990 - Erik Karlsson 180/180
1990 - Victor Hedman 178/178
1990 - Alex Pietrangelo 159/174
1990 - Travis Hamonic 164/166
1990 - Tyler Johnson 160/166
1990 - Derek Stepan 154/166
1990 - Jan Kovár 143/161
1990 - Jordan Eberle 138/158
1990 - Jakob Silfverberg 136/154
1990 - Michael Del Zotto 143/152
1990 - Anders Nilsson 138/152
1990 - Zach Bogosian 140/152
1990 - Nikita Feoktistov 120/150
1991 - Vladimir Tarasenko 174/174
1991 - Oliver Ekman-Larsson 172/172
1991 - Taylor Hall 168/170
1991 - Ondrej Palát 152/160
1991 - Matt Duchene 148/160
1991 - Tyson Barrie 158/158
1991 - Artemi Panarin 154/158
1991 - Chris Kreider 147/158
1991 - Nick Leddy 153/154
1991 - Simon Després 150/150
1991 - Cody Eakin 136/150
1992 - Tyler Seguin 176/178
1992 - Ryan Johansen 170/172
1992 - Evgeny Kuznetsov 171/171
1992 - Gabriel Landeskog 168/168
1992 - Mikael Granlund 158/166
1992 - Brandon Saad 162/162
1992 - Justin Faulk 160/162
1992 - Jarred Tinordi 157/159
1992 - Max Friberg 154/158
1992 - Nick Bjugstad 155/157
1992 - Martin Marincin 156/156
1992 - Petr Mrázek 152/155
1992 - Zack Phillips 120/155
1992 - Michael Sgarbossa 118/155
1992 - Nikita Kardashev 128/154
1992 - Jaden Schwartz 145/153
1992 - Brandon Gormley 151/152
1992 - John Klingberg 151/151
1992 - Devante Smith-Pelly 147/150
1992 - Mark Stone 141/150