1974/75 Cloclo roster

[Spartacus70]

I'm working on an updated version of Nino's roster. The purpose of my work was for me and two friends, but my friends suggested that it would be a good idea to offering it to the community. I largely expanded and edited the roster, but the base is the Nino's roster (why reinvanting the wheel!). Around 2-3 weeks of work and it's done.

[nino33]

What does "largely expanded" mean?

[Spartacus70]

Hi! First of all my respect for the tremendous work you did. Essencially I created and edited a lot of rookies and young players, for playing at least until 1979. Me and my friends like the flavor of this area. At first We planned using FHM, but this game will never be enjoyable until his next installement (somewhre next year?). I just basicaly decided to use the FHM 14 DB to complete your great roster ( after all i have paid for a game useless). The benefit for me is to have less players with Zeros in attributes, because I dont always like the way the programe ''create'' the attributes. If you have any concerns, just tell me.

[nino33]

Hi! First of all my respect for the tremendous work you did. If you have any concerns, just tell me.

Thank you. And no, no concerns...

Essencially I created and edited a lot of rookies and young players, for playing at least until 1979.

If the NHL is your focus, the youngest player in the 1974 DB (at start-up) is age 1, so most "known" NHLers should already be in the DB/Drafts until the early 1990s (IIRC my "cut-off" was 200 career NHL GP, less in some cases)...I think the minimum requirement for FHM was 1 NHL GP, so yeah there'll be NHLers who are missing

For the European/Russian Leagues it's less playable. I know that almost all the players in the lower European Leagues (and the NCAA and) are missing, and I know that many players have "0" for most/all their Attributes (especially the non star European/Russian players)


I totally understand the desire to avoid the "0" and have an actual rating instead!
I haven't looked at the 1974 DB in quite awhile now.
I've always wanted to get back to do some more work on the 1974 DB, and actually plan to do so this upcoming summer.
I've been keeping busy helping out more and more with the TBL Rosters, and also (currently) working on the 1998 DB!


I look forward to seeing the results of your efforts!

[Spartacus70]

Thank's for your positive comments. I try to add a number of players to avoid as possible the invented players. I Concentrated myself on North America (easier access to data by a marge)., but edited some of the europeans stars for international purpose. I tweeked the drafts and assume that the 1975 entry draft will be the first with 18yrs eligibles and edited the futures draft choices in extra config :some few was missing and the others are what I can call, compensations in regards of merging negotiations (if a player was drafted by booth leagues, the other team recived a future draft pick in compensation by the team the player choose historically to play with). For example, one of my friends GM the Canadiens and he have many draft picks for the 2-3 comming years, and me GM the merging Nordiques so no 2nd, 4th and 5th picks for 1975 for keeping the right of my youngs players. It is more fair than the real 1979 merging and Boston, Montreal and Philadelphie GM stil confidents that I will not be in their path for the Stanley cup for few seasons...

[Spartacus70]

And since I'm a little bit crazy, I add some stats in history to a lot of players, particularly for juniors and early 20's...

[nino33]

And since I'm a little bit crazy, I add some stats in history to a lot of players, particularly for juniors and early 20's...

Did you use the EHM Updater to add player history?
If you did, can you share your spreadsheets? Then I could add to my 1974 DB the stats/history you've added

[Spartacus70]

Unfortunately no. I use pre-game editor. At this time how to use the updater, sorry...

[nino33]

Unfortunately no. I use pre-game editor

OK...thanks for the reply


I recognize your avatar! He looks younger to me HaHa as the "King Richard" I remember is from the Canucks improbable run to the Stanley Cup Finals in 1982

[Spartacus70]

But first he was one of the young blood of the WHA Nordiques. It's a shame that the WHA teams were considerated less than expantion teams. What helped the Oilers (with the strong management team who was open to european players) is the fact that Gretzky was considerated a future NHL failure by the most influencing teams.

[archibalduk]

Welcome to The Blue Line! Best of luck with your roster project. Be sure to share it here once you've completed it.

If you need any guidance on editing the DB or using the Updater (which allows you to edit things en masse using spreadsheets) then please do post here and we'll do our best to help.

Unfortunately no. I use pre-game editor. At this time how to use the updater, sorry...

We could use the Updater to export the histories and import them into Nino's DB. So long as you tick the "Import New Entries" only option then it'll import newer histories only.

[Spartacus70]

Thank you Legend! I will finish first and after I will ask for your cooperation for properly using the updater (I tink the problem is my use of Open Office) for offering a spreadsheet that will allowing people to choose witch part of my mod they feel usefull to them.

[Spartacus70]

3 WHA teams to recaliber (84 players) and 1960-1962 borned players. My goal is still to be able to play at least to the 1979 draft (inclusively). One important change I have made, Nino, is to de-draft the players undrafted prior to 1974. Just simulating an agreement to alowing 18 YOA to be drafted (and to be in accordance with the EHM program). I know that makes the 1975 NHL draft one of the most important in history, cause it's combining the real 75, 76 and 77 NHL Draft. But we are in a Fantasy world, no!?

[Spartacus70]

Winnipeg to adjust (23 players) and 1960-1962 (EHM 1978-80) prospects to check...

[Spartacus70]

All the pro players for wich I have datas are done... Now revisiting the draft class! Now doing the 1956 (DOB). At the end of the process somes will find that my junior aged players have hight CA (mainly for the off stars). But since the physicals ratings are adjusted to their age, overal it's working well in my tests. Some juniors stars will now score their 70-80 goals, but with a limited size or PO (or both) will struggling as professionals.

[Spartacus70]

1955 to 1959 (DOB) prospects done. Beginning with 1960 DOB prospects (or 13-14 yrs) I will doing only the fundamentals.

[Spartacus70]

1960 DOB Prospects done.

[Spartacus70]

Only (?!) 40 players (DOB-1961) to do...

[archibalduk]

Great to hear!

[Spartacus70]

Just finished tunning down some players after a test with EHM early access. The new edition seems promising (particularly the player roles). Thanks for the helpfull adaptated updater! For nowthe program dont show players youngers than 13yrs. I will ask why on the Sport Interactive forum.

[Manimal]

Just finished tunning down some players after a test with EHM early access. The new edition seems promising (particularly the player roles). Thanks for the helpfull adaptated updater! For nowthe program dont show players youngers than 13yrs. I will ask why on the Sport Interactive forum.

Because many players under 14 retired young. They will show up at 14

[nino33]

For nowthe program dont show players youngers than 13yrs. I will ask why on the Sport Interactive forum.

It's intentional/it was requested

The EHM development system (CA, Attributes plus Height and Weight) is based on players starting at/around age 14. Players that are much, much younger developed abnormally (in particular, they often grew to the size of basketball players!). Plus, they accumulated many years of extra/unnecessary history. Now such players are "hidden" until age 14, when they'll appear and develop normally.

This improvement to the old system does mean that the extra young players will need to be reviewed/edited again, and changed to represent the player at age 14. Over the coming weeks/months I plan to work on the 1974 DB, as well as a 1998 DB that's a group WIP (plus I work on the WHL for the TBL Rosters); the adding of Player Roles needs to be done for all the old databases...lots to do! but with a new EHM there's an excitement that sure helps motivate!

[Spartacus70]

Oh I understand! That's mean that I will reworking my roster for the youngers. I will try making them at an equal level for the entry at 14 since they are in a sleeping mode before. My concern is the physicals datas.
For the players roles, if we puts it manually for the star players (or any desired one) the program will produce some in relation of their ratings (with some ratings alterations).

[archibalduk]

Just a warning about the Player Roles: If you set a Player Role using the Updater and then later edit that player in the Pre-Game Editor, his Player Role will be erased (this affects all skaters, but not goalies). The Pre-Game Editor is not compatible with Player Roles which is why it will erase a player's Role as soon as you click on the "Confirm" button when editing his profile.

So the solution is to keep an attribute_update spreadsheet with all of the Player Roles you want to set. Then import the spreadsheet every time you want to test or release your database.

[Spartacus70]

Thanks for your tip. Today I will be able to deliver a stable version for ehm 2007. For EHM15, I will after begining by adding players with pre-game editor until I think it's sufficient. And only after I will begining working on a spreadsheet for the final toutches. Anyway, we have to allowed the Sport Interactive team to polish some elements that can alterate our work (like addition of leagues and modifications to players development process).