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Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby bruins72 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:50 pm

All Challenge 44 talk goes here!
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby MWE » Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:46 pm

Downloading the save now should be good :thup:
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby Peter_Doherty » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:08 pm

Look forward to this.
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby MWE » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:37 am

I'm 2-7-1 after ten games ](*,)
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby m0fownz0r » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:06 am

I got the rosters/save yesterday just to take a look at the squad.

The goalies are underwhelming and Domi's PA seems to be reduced from previous DBs. The Center "depth" is a joke, hopefully Strome can grow enough in a year. I might even send Domi down, not sure about Duclair.

Not many trade assests as well, mby a couple of Dmen for a Center could work.
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby Peter_Doherty » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:19 am

How do you know Domis PA is reduced? :S
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby ppaalloo » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:37 am

every season I can sing only 2 players for 525k or one player for 1 million?
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby Bastulon » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:28 pm

ppaalloo wrote:http://prntscr.com/dmyvkb now I am done :cry:


Ouuuuuuuuuuuuch. This is going to be my first challenge so I'm excited to play along with you all =)
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby ppaalloo » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:42 pm

This is my first challenge too in first season I finnish last :D
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby m0fownz0r » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:08 pm

Peter_Doherty wrote:How do you know Domis PA is reduced? :S


I don't. I said, it looks that way, based on his lower atts despite being a year older.
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby stone169 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:34 pm

I didn't really notice, since I just started and am gearing up for training camp, but is losing Doan for 5 months part of the actual save, or am I just really unlucky?
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby Bastulon » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:42 pm

stone169 wrote:I didn't really notice, since I just started and am gearing up for training camp, but is losing Doan for 5 months part of the actual save, or am I just really unlucky?


Just unlucky. When I first looked at this roster I was like "I can make it work"...I don't know how Dave Tippett does it. Voodoo magic.
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby nino33 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:45 pm

m0fownz0r wrote: Domi's PA seems to be reduced from previous DBs
m0fownz0r wrote:
Peter_Doherty wrote:How do you know Domis PA is reduced? :S


I don't. I said, it looks that way, based on his lower atts despite being a year older.
His PA is the same as last year, and his CA has increased from 138 to 152 (and taking a quick look using the PreGame Editor, his totals for Physical/Technical Attributes have increased since last year too)

Also, PA is "Potential Ability" and thus it's not "noticeable" by looking at starting Attributes (that would be CA); Domi's PA is -9 which means it'll be somewhere between 150 and 180, so it's highly likely he's going to get significantly better!
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby Peter_Doherty » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:52 pm

That seems about right nino, overall you guys have done a great job with this database.
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby m0fownz0r » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:30 pm

nino33 wrote:
m0fownz0r wrote: Domi's PA seems to be reduced from previous DBs
m0fownz0r wrote:
Peter_Doherty wrote:How do you know Domis PA is reduced? :S


I don't. I said, it looks that way, based on his lower atts despite being a year older.
His PA is the same as last year, and his CA has increased from 138 to 152 (and taking a quick look using the PreGame Editor, his totals for Physical/Technical Attributes have increased since last year too)

Also, PA is "Potential Ability" and thus it's not "noticeable" by looking at starting Attributes (that would be CA); Domi's PA is -9 which means it'll be somewhere between 150 and 180, so it's highly likely he's going to get significantly better!


All I meant was that by looking at his attributes in the save game, to me, they appeared to be lower in comparision to level his attributes usually are during the 2nd season. It was all based on a mere observation of mine.

Also, I'm fully aware what "Potential Ability" is and that it's not "noticeable" by looking at the starting atts.

Thanks for the lecture on the terminology though. :dunno:
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby nino33 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:42 pm

m0fownz0r wrote:Thanks for the lecture on the terminology though. :dunno:
Not sure why you've taken offence
You said PA (which makes no sense to use in the context you did), and your observations weren't correct either...I'm not sure how I was supposed to know you didn't mean what your words actually said; if you're allowed to post your thoughts/observations, I'd think I can post mine too
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby Canadian Passport » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:48 pm

I couldn't help myself, I downloaded the save last night and woke up early to get some game time in. I'm 8 games in so far and I'm 4-2-2. I'm not sure what to make of the team, I'm in every game but not dominating and the two regulation losses were just because I gave a ton of penalties, I gave the Pens 13 PP's and the Ducks 10. I know it's early but I don't think this team is horrible and I think it's actually pretty close to being pretty good
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby m0fownz0r » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:11 pm

nino33 wrote:
m0fownz0r wrote:Thanks for the lecture on the terminology though. :dunno:
Not sure why you've taken offence
You said PA (which makes no sense to use in the context you did), and your observations weren't correct either...I'm not sure how I was supposed to know you didn't mean what your words actually said; if you're allowed to post your thoughts/observations, I'd think I can post mine too


Because it was condescending.

How is potential ability making no sense in the context of player growth?
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby nino33 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:24 pm

m0fownz0r wrote:How is potential ability making no sense in the context of player growth?

- because PA doesn't affect a player's growth between age 20 and 21, it's a long term thing
- because you can't observe a PA reduction by looking at Attributes in game (which is what you said you did)
- the actual observation you made was incorrect, his Attributes are actually higher (because his CA is higher)

I'm not interested in arguing with you, you can carry on if you'd like, I'm done

Enjoy the Challenge everyone; Merry Christmas :-)
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby CJ » Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:30 pm

nino33 wrote:
m0fownz0r wrote: Domi's PA seems to be reduced from previous DBs
m0fownz0r wrote:
Peter_Doherty wrote:How do you know Domis PA is reduced? :S


I don't. I said, it looks that way, based on his lower atts despite being a year older.
His PA is the same as last year, and his CA has increased from 138 to 152 (and taking a quick look using the PreGame Editor, his totals for Physical/Technical Attributes have increased since last year too)

Also, PA is "Potential Ability" and thus it's not "noticeable" by looking at starting Attributes (that would be CA); Domi's PA is -9 which means it'll be somewhere between 150 and 180, so it's highly likely he's going to get significantly better!

I was about to reply on that comment, but not surprise you got before me. :-D And don't reveal too much for these guys. ;)
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby m0fownz0r » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:01 pm

nino33 wrote:
m0fownz0r wrote:How is potential ability making no sense in the context of player growth?

- because PA doesn't affect a player's growth between age 20 and 21, it's a long term thing
- because you can't observe a PA reduction by looking at Attributes in game (which is what you said you did)
- the actual observation you made was incorrect, his Attributes are actually higher (because his CA is higher)

I'm not interested in arguing with you, you can carry on if you'd like, I'm done

Enjoy the Challenge everyone; Merry Christmas :-)


Potential ability as in the upside a given player has ,but I guess you only see it a ehm definition which is related to a certain digit/number. You can't move pass the literal meaning of "Potential ability". That's fine.

What I have a problem with is the attitude. You are not arguing, you just state your opinion in a condesending manner and leave.
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby nino33 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:19 pm

CJ wrote:And don't reveal too much for these guys. ;)
Yeah, I can't help myself! HaHa
I follow the "golden rule" and I always appreciate clarification/elucidation of facts myself (I never think of such feedback as a negative myself, and so alas I often continue to fail to see how others would & as you know "from the editing perspective" the literal meaning that relates to certain numbers is the only option we have)



m0fownz0r wrote:You are not arguing, you just state your opinion in a condesending manner and leave.
I'm not stating an opinion, I'm stating actual facts. Words mean what they mean literally, people can't always be mind readers when words are incorrectly used or explanations not given...you could have just clarified what you meant (as I did here viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17558&p=221026#p221026)

And my trying to "leave" such discussions is an attempt to avoid unnecessary conflict, and instead focus on the many hours I spend on testing and database editing that allows people like you to enjoy EHM more
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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby m0fownz0r » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:55 pm

nino33 wrote:
CJ wrote:And don't reveal too much for these guys. ;)
Yeah, I can't help myself! HaHa
I follow the "golden rule" and I always appreciate clarification/elucidation of facts myself (I never think of such feedback as a negative myself, and so alas I often continue to fail to see how others would & as you know "from the editing perspective" the literal meaning that relates to certain numbers is the only option we have)



m0fownz0r wrote:You are not arguing, you just state your opinion in a condesending manner and leave.
I'm not stating an opinion, I'm stating actual facts. Words mean what they mean literally, people can't always be mind readers when words are incorrectly used or explanations not given...you could have just clarified what you meant (as I did here viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17558&p=221026#p221026)

And my trying to "leave" such discussions is an attempt to avoid unnecessary conflict, and instead focus on the many hours I spend on testing and database editing that allows people like you to enjoy EHM more


People like me? Do you not enjoy EHM? or the DBs you make? Have I ever expressed any ungratefullness towards you or any of the people involved in the updating process?

Words mean what they mean literally


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Re: Challenge #44 - Discussion Thread

Postby ppaalloo » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:05 pm

now I was fired :D that means challenge wasnt successful? :D
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