TBL Rosters 2013-2014; Mistakes, omissions, tweaks etc

[archibalduk]

Please post any changes/mistakes/etc regarding the TBL Rosters v6.x series of rosters in this thread.

[Tyees]

firing it up now, I'll report back if there is anything to report!

[CeeBee]

just installed and ready to fire up
Big thanks to the guys who made this possible. All of you deserve a good round of xmas cheer

[AxelFoley]

Great stuff, thank you.

edit: just seen the note on the home page. Thanks for looking into pre-game editor issue.

[WallyWallcakes]

EDIT: Nevermind. I loaded the wrong rosters...

[leafsnation]

The instruction say to set the year as 2012 when using the CSD rosters, however, after starting, the 2012/13 stats are already loaded in the game. Is this right? Will the stats be overwritten? Or should we actually set the start year to 2013?

[Epic]

Great that it's finally released. Massive thanks to all who made it possible!

My 2 cents: I read the awards are updated to season 12/13, but basically that's the season the game starts when using cdspatch. As I understand it's not possible to start with season 13/14. So, at the end of the season we have two winners for all the awards down in history. Used to hate the old Championship Manager updates because of that fact. Might be just me, but it bothers me a lot, of course won't take away the enjoyment of the game, but it's not pretty for the eyes.

Edit: Also see mentioned above regarding the stats. We'll have two 12/13 seasons then? It will mess up all the players history. Hope that it's a typo that 2012 is the start date.

[nino33]

The instruction say to set the year as 2012 when using the CSD rosters, however, after starting, the 2012/13 stats are already loaded in the game. Is this right? Will the stats be overwritten? Or should we actually set the start year to 2013?

As I understand it's not possible to start with season 13/14.

I suspect any instruction indicating a 2012 start is a typo...I'm not aware of a 2013 start being a problem

[Yakaitshi0]

Once again, thank you guys so much for making these roster updates
Best value game I've bought thanks to you all, been lurking for a while waiting for a new update to start a new game

Enjoy the holidays guys you all deserved a long break!

[m0fownz0r]

THAAAANK YOUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!! Reallly great stuff! Marry Xmas to us all hockey nerds!!!

[archibalduk]

The instruction say to set the year as 2012 when using the CSD rosters, however, after starting, the 2012/13 stats are already loaded in the game. Is this right? Will the stats be overwritten? Or should we actually set the start year to 2013?

As I understand it's not possible to start with season 13/14.

I suspect any instruction indicating a 2012 start is a typo...I'm not aware of a 2013 start being a problem

Oops! Yes, that's a typo. I'll try to take a look this evening at correcting this.

Please use a 2013 start date.

[kebabseller]

I cant edit the database in pre-game editor.... Why?

[Peter_Doherty]

I want to start off by thanking everyone who works with the TBL Rosters, really good job overall. Now to my concern, whoever did the Rangers stat-update must have been high or something. Hagelin with only a 16-16 in Acc and Pace while having 19 in wristshot? Talbot is REALLY bad, and McDonagh is really underrated while Girardi and Staal might be overrated.. some other things that are just really weird... someone who actually watch Rangers need to look at that.

edit: Looked through all the teams now and the stat-update seems to have backfired, looks really weird. All the young players look really underrated, take a look on MacKinnon,H Lindholm for example, thats just not right

[CJ]

I just took a quick look at the DB. Josh Hardinga has 1 in Balance (probably a mistake). Bouwmeester is WAY too good. P.Kane should have better deking/stickhandling. Selänne has a 175 CA (way too good)!, Ehrhoff has CA/PA 125, Seabrook has 185 CA!!, 11 GK's has are better than Rask (I think he's better than that)

A lot of players has a better CA than PA, that shouln't be possible. PA is the max they will or has reached when they were at their best. CA can't be higher than that.

All senior players should have their PA fixed! How good they were when they were at their best, that's what their PA should be. So when they regen they should live up to their stardom. Like Gonchar who was a great offensive d-man now has a PA of 125.

Have there been many different people updating the stats of the NHL players?

[kebabseller]

This is not major mistake, but you have missed Jöel Thériault or it might be because he plays in minor league. And well are you going to update the minor leagues Ex. Finnish mestis?

[nino33]

All senior players should have their PA fixed! How good they were when they were at their best, that's what their PA should be. So when they regen they should live up to their stardom. Like Gonchar who was a great offensive d-man now has a PA of 125.

My understanding is doing it the way you suggest results in overrated veterans (because their correct/lower CA will sometimes be significantly increased because of the high PA) + it quickly results in a database with to many superstars (i.e. the excessive scoring problem gets worse)

Looked through all the teams now and the stat-update seems to have backfired

Have there been many different people updating the stats of the NHL players?

Are you guys meaning "attributes" when you write "stats"?

[nino33]

This is not major mistake, but you have missed Jöel Thériault or it might be because he plays in minor league.

I'm not sure how recently the LNAH was reviewed/updated (I noticed Thériault didn't play hockey in 2012-13)

[sirtreb]

A few tweaks (I'm using the 2006 start date roster):

-Stephane Waite is now MTL goalie coach. He's still with Chicago in the DB.

-Guys such as Duchene, O'Rielly, Hedman appears in the top 10 prospects at the start of the game, so I guess they're somehow still rookies in the DB.

- Since MTL has 2 ECHL teams, I can't send down everyone and have to loan them. The problem is that Magnus Nygren and Peter Delmas keep coming back to my roster after a few days whoever I lend them to. I don't know if it is a known bug, but it's really annoying as I have to either trade them or lose 2 guys on waivers to compensate.

Other than that, good work!

[Peter_Doherty]

Looked through all the teams now and the stat-update seems to have backfired

Have there been many different people updating the stats of the NHL players?

Are you guys meaning "attributes" when you write "stats"?

I'm talking mostly about attributes, but also the fact that for example McDonagh is said to be worse then both Staal and Girardi in the Team Report which is based off CA?
The notes said you fixed attributes also and not only CA/PA? and 16 pace 16 acc 19 wrist shot on Hagelin just looks wrong to me. same as seeing Brodin and Lindholm in the low 10s of everything. Many attributes are way off, have no idea how accurate the CA/PA is but attributes are not even close.

[jesterx7769]

I am sure you have done lots of season simulation but here is a screen shot of my simulated season showing regular season standings and player stats (more data is always good right? ) I haven't gone through all of the teams yet but I saw at least the Buffalo Sabres draft picks are incorrect.

[ppaalloo]

I cant edit the database in pre-game editor.... Why?

I have the same problem

[nino33]

I have the same problem

I cant edit the database in pre-game editor.... Why?

From the main page announcement...

IMPORTANT NOTE FOR USERS USING THE PRE-GAME EDITOR: It seems at some point today whilst finalising the database, I did something which may now cause the Editor to crash when trying to save changes to the database and/or when exiting the Editor after saving. I have released the database without fixing this because I didn't want to delay the release (I won't be able to look at diagnosing and fixing the issue until early January). In late December or early January I will look at diagnosing and fixing the issue so that it is fixed for v6.1.

[CJ]

My understanding is doing it the way you suggest results in overrated veterans (because their correct/lower CA will sometimes be significantly increased because of the high PA) + it quickly results in a database with to many superstars (i.e. the excessive scoring problem gets worse)?

IMO, to get an accurate DB as possible you'd need 3 different kinds of star players "rookies = maybe MacKinnon, who knows", "prime = Getzlaf, Datsyuk" "veteran Jagr". Yrs of 20, 30 and 40. They need to have a constant "great player" in their years. If not there will be a big "gap" in stardom.

So you mean that Jagr & Selänne with a PA of 180+ will be a lot better? Doesn't the game look at players ages and stop "evolving" them?

PS: Stats, yes I mean attributes of the players.

[nino33]

So you mean that Jagr & Selänne with a PA of 180+ will be a lot better?

I've never tested players over age 40, but in general "yes" a higher PA will result in an increase in CA regardless of age (given Selänne's starting CA is already 175 he wouldn't necessarily get "a lot" better, but Jagr's 155 starting CA means he might).



The testing I did looked at player's age 13-29 http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... %26+WEIGHT, and CA increased by early in the first season. The CA increase by October of season 1 was smaller for older players, but it occurred and continued to occur yearly.

For example
- in test one 29 year old Jerome Iginla had a starting CA/PA of 175/189, and by age 32 his CA was 179, and by age 33 his CA was 183 and then he retired.
- in test two 29 year old Jerome Iginla with his starting CA/PA of 175/189 had a 180 CA by age 30, dropped down to a 176 CA for a couple years and by age 34 was back up to 182 which he maintained until age 37 when his CA increased to 184! It dropped down to 178 the following year, and then 151 when he was 39
- in test three 29 year old Jerome Iginla with his starting CA/PA of 175/189 had a CA of 184 at age 30, a CA of 188 at age 31 and a CA of 189 age 32-37, and then his CA fell to 180 at age 38/39

Doesn't the game look at players ages and stop "evolving" them?

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to...what EHM07 does seem to do is develop young players very quickly compared to real life (and "late bloomers" don't really occur)

[Tyees]

Some notes from a Canucks fan:

Luongo sucks/Ericsson is way to good. Traded Luo to the sharks at the deadline, called up Joacim and haven't looked back. Team went from 1st in the league to even morer the first in the league

D is rated a bit funky, I know Tanev isn't very well known but he's essentially the Canucks #1 defender this season and was a legit top 4 guy last season.

Booth is way to good, Kesler is dominate, and the Sedins get out scored by Jannik Hansen! Also got the Sedins to resign at 4mil each.

It looks likes some guys got re rated and others didn't. I wouldn't mind helping out with some of the prospects and atleast giving a better rough idea for attributes. Ben Hutton and Joseph LaBate (NCAA) were cut from their respective rosters and in real life are the top players (arguably) on their teams.

Meanwhile Jordan Subban is my highest rated prospect and Horvat and Gaunce look like busts.

Kassian is much more a playmaker than goal scorer, and his hitting might be a tad high at 18 (unless it's improved a lot this season)

The Speeds seem pretty random aswell. Kesler sets the bar at 17, Sedins at 11, and Weise is probably a step slower than Kesler but is one of the slowest on the canucks, including Alberts.


Other game notes:

Dustin Brown and Anze Kopitar are the bestest players everer! After Mikko Koivu of course, who's rated head and shoulders above well, everyone it seems. He's scoring at close to 2.00 PPG pace right now 65gp-46-56-102

Most guys that are PPG should be, but sadly they're just in the top 50 for scoring.

However 9 goalies are above .920 in SV% so that's good.

James Reimer and I hate the leafs.

Subban is pretty poor compared to fellow Defenceman

McDavid is pulling an Allen Iverson

I love the Benson love, but he could use a tone down, I'm not sure he'll even go first in his draft year.


The Wild went full on rebuild, and probably one of the best I've ever seen:

Kampfer for a 4th was their first move. Kampfer had been struggling... dominoes.

Koivu for Stuart and The rights to Lodge. Lodge hasn't been great so far in the O but looks solid.

Suter for Paul and Winther. Both look to be mid range prospects but should be sure fire NHLers

Pominville for Granlund and Gordon. Granlund needed a change of scenery and is now a PPG guy in the A. Coda Gordon is a 2PPG guy in the Dub and is only 19.

Harding for the Islanders 2nd round (most likely 31st overall)

Backstrom for Kruger. Kruger has since potted 12 points in 10 games

Parise for Cam Fowler and Nick Sorensen.

Now for the best trade I've ever seen:

Prosser for V. Rask and M. Murphy. Prosser has been benefiting from being the guy in Minnesota and was scoring at a stupid pace. He returned a stud AHL goalie and 21 year old Swede centre who is scoring at a PPG clip in the A. Prosser has gone on to net 1 assist in 10 games, and went from a solid 7.8 rating to an outstanding solid 6.

Not excited for upcoming rivalry games with Minny in the following years.

The Sabres traded Ehrhoff for "best wristshot in the world" Hagelin.


Solid DB, could use some tweeks and I'm more than happy to help not that I know the state of the DB. Will probably play a season with every team to get an idea of everyones roster. I think a world wide staff re-rating would be interesting.