Can't sent a prospect in the AHL

Post by **philou21** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:52 pm

I don't know what happening but i play with the Atlanta Thrashers and I finish my first season. I sign Brian Little to sent him in the AHL but i can't. He have a 2 way contract and i sent down all of my others player in the AHL but i don't have this option with Little. Can somebody tell me why?

ozziethesaint · Post by **ozziethesaint** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:57 pm

does he have to go on waivers to be sent down?

Post by **philou21** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:00 am

ozziethesaint wrote:does he have to go on waivers to be sent down?

I guess if I put him on waivers i could sent him down but the reason i don't understand is that he have a 2 way contract so why I can't?

ozziethesaint · Post by **ozziethesaint** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:10 am

my understanding, and i could be wrong, the 2-way contract is more about financial end of the contract. the amount the player is paid is less in the minors.

During the season, I am pretty sure waivers are based on time accrued instead of the contract.

Again, I could be wrong tho

gibson41 · Post by **gibson41** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:41 am

Actually, I have the same problem.

I signed several players to a two-way contract, prospects, even a 27 yeard old depth guy...while I can send down the 27-year old guy, I can't send my prospects. Weird.

pens66 · Post by **pens66** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:09 pm

Simple answer (it's actually a little complicated):

- two-way contracts have zero impact on waiver eligibility

- Anybody WITH rights to a CHL team can ONLY be send to the minor leagues after he turned 20 years -> that means college players and most guys from Europe can be send down to the AHL/ECHL at 18 or 19 already, Canadians usually can't

- if a player cleared waivers once in a season he can be called up from and sent down to the minors without having to clear waivers again UNLESS he plays in 10+ NHL games or is on the NHL roster for 30+ days (not sure about the days, but it's in the player's profile...) -> this is in effect up until sometime in September (so shortly before the next season starts)

- now the complicated part kicks in with a player's experience in the pro leagues. I don't know the exact rules, but the more experience the earlier he is waiver eligible and at a certain age (30 something?) re-entry waivers apply

hope that helps

gibson41 · Post by **gibson41** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:16 pm

pens66 wrote:- Anybody WITH rights to a CHL team can ONLY be send to the minor leagues after he turned 20 years -> that means college players and most guys from Europe can be send down to the AHL/ECHL at 18 or 19 already, Canadians usually can't

I guess that explains it all. Thank you.

miked1991 · Post by **miked1991** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:11 pm

Is there a number of games a prospect can play before he loses his CHL rights? I know players can usually get 2 more years in the juniors before they're too old, but I played a rookie on the 4th line for a season, decided afterwards it was probably a mistake so thought I'd send him down to the juniors the next year, but his CHL rights had gone so I had to make do with sending him to the AHL instead (which he's ripping apart just fine so I guess its turned out ok in the end).

Is it the 40 games that are required to "acrue a season" for waiver eligabilty that loses the player his rights?

Leafs_fever · Post by **Leafs_fever** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:37 pm

At no point do players automatically lose their CHL rights, but CHL teams often release the rights to players they don't expect to get back.

Post by **Manimal** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:07 pm

IRL, if a player plays 10 NHL games he can't be sent back to juniors. Don't know if that rule is in the game, though

Marleau12C · Post by **Marleau12C** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:15 pm

Manimal wrote:IRL, if a player plays 10 NHL games he can't be sent back to juniors. Don't know if that rule is in the game, though

That's not true. After 10 games IRL a player can still be sent back to juniors. The ten game rule is about his NHL contract. After ten games the current year will count as the first year of his NHL Entry Level contract. You can still send him back to juniors (assuming the CHL club hasn't released his rights by that point).

Post by **batdad** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:28 pm

MArleau is correct. Furthermore, I beleive the number is 40 NHL games and they cannot be sent back to junior period, no matter what.

JTavaresNYI09 · Post by **JTavaresNYI09** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:59 am

pens66 wrote:Simple answer (it's actually a little complicated):

- two-way contracts have zero impact on waiver eligibility

- Anybody WITH rights to a CHL team can ONLY be send to the minor leagues after he turned 20 years -> that means college players and most guys from Europe can be send down to the AHL/ECHL at 18 or 19 already, Canadians usually can't

- if a player cleared waivers once in a season he can be called up from and sent down to the minors without having to clear waivers again UNLESS he plays in 10+ NHL games or is on the NHL roster for 30+ days (not sure about the days, but it's in the player's profile...) -> this is in effect up until sometime in September (so shortly before the next season starts)

- now the complicated part kicks in with a player's experience in the pro leagues. I don't know the exact rules, but the more experience the earlier he is waiver eligible and at a certain age (30 something?) re-entry waivers apply

hope that helps

Then what do Two-Way contracts even do? NHL 09 brainwashed me into thinking two-way contracts mean everything in calling up/down prospects.

Hypnotist · Post by **Hypnotist** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:16 am

Two-way clauses allow you to pay a small percentage (default = 15%) of a contract's value if the player is playing for a farm team. If you send a player without a a 2-way to a farm club, you still pay his full salary even though he is on a farm roster.