[2018-19] xECK29x Premier Pivot Rosters (v3.14 - 12/16/18)

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[2018-19] xECK29x Premier Pivot Rosters (v3.14 - 12/16/18)

Post by xECK29x » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:01 pm

Download:
Steam: https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/fil ... 1428241604
Non-Steam: http://bit.ly/2UMS3Qh

Logo Pack:
Steam: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... 1537850871
Non-Steam: http://bit.ly/2ElkAqx

2017-18 DB found here:
Steam: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... 1525457337
Non-Steam: http://bit.ly/2r8XLyJ

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This is considered a ROLLING release, meaning I will push updates through Steam on a regular basis and continue to offer an offline update on TBL.

Thanks and credits to:
- Manimal and the TBL research team
- BKArchitect for allowing me to include some of your fantastic work!
- ESHMfan01, Shanster925, Gard, MrGeeky and 30Tanner and many others for your assistance and feedback!

***USE THE FOLLOWING SETTINGS FOR THE BEST RESULT***
- Full size DB
- Add Key Staff
* Add Players to Playable Teams - MUST if you want to play as a lower tier GM
- Add Extra Junior Players
- Add Players to National Team Pools
- Retain All Teams

This DB includes MANY updates across all major and junior leagues. Please see change notes and comments for detailed list of updates.

Q: How to install?
A: Unzip the file into a folder inside of your game's database directory, should look like X:\*\Eastside Hockey Manager\data\database\xECK29x-Rosters-v2
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Post by Ukko » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:02 pm

Nice job !

I will start a game with those rosters ! I'll report back on how it goes :)

edit : I'd request a "how to" for installation, for the sake of it and easier setup for newcomers ;)

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Post by xECK29x » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:04 pm

Ahh good one will add to FAQ, next update I will zip up the directory instead of just the loose files and include readme.

You are going to unzip the archive into your game's database/db directory, should look like X:\*\Eastside Hockey Manager\data\database\xECK29x-Rosters-v2

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Post by Beukeboom » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:46 pm

On a first look really great work you can be proud off. Histories etc. make it really polished and appealing. Only thing i dont like so much is that for MY preferences the player attribtes look a Little too good throughout so i have fears differences between players especially in major leagues might be a little less distinguishable.

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Post by xECK29x » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:07 pm

Beukeboom wrote:On a first look really great work you can be proud off. Histories etc. make it really polished and appealing. Only thing i dont like so much is that for MY preferences the player attribtes look a Little too good throughout so i have fears differences between players especially in major leagues might be a little less distinguishable.
This is exactly the kind of feedback I want to receive, as an FYI here are my scales, I try to stay as consistent to these as possible. Also I align staff to a similar scale.

Forwards
200 - Generational (Crosby)
190 - Superstar (Tavares)
180 - Franchise
170 - 1st liner
160 - 1st/2nd liner
150 - 2nd liner
140 - 2nd/3rd liner
130 - 3rd liner
120 - 3rd/4th liner
110 - 4th liner
100 - 4th liner/AHLer
90 - AHL
80 - ECHL
70 - College/Juniors

Goalies
200-190 - Generational (Roy)
180-170 - #1 Goalie (Vezina quality)
160-150 - 1A Goalie
140-130 - 1B Goalie
120-110 - Backup
100-90 - AHL
80 - ECHL
70 - College/Juniors

Defense
200 - Generational (Orr)
190 - Superstar (Lidstrom)
180 - #1 D
170 - #2 D
160 - #3 D
150 - #4 D
140 - #5 D
130 - #6 D
120 - Reserve D-man
110 - AHL
100 - ECHL
90 - Juniors/College

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Post by Beukeboom » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:51 am

The scale in itself is very good and its always a matter of opinion, but for example the upper area especially with young players always iiritates me gameplay wise, sure CA wise O Mc David and Matthews might be close to open end but is McDavid already a Player nearly perfect in all categories especially so good on Defence also? I see him more technically totally gifted but still with room to grow, and even Gretzky in his best would have some holes in his game, closest to perfect, but are those guys really great in checking etc? Are they all leaders? Do those guys in aged 19/20 not still have holes and space to grow a little?

Also on the other end--- Marleau is awesoem but does he really have Acceleraton and Speed at 37 years at 15 and 17?

What describes how i view it good: Jagr has checking 10, while McDavid has 15, i dont know if old Jags isnt more to fear in his old years especially in the Corners at checks than that Youngsters. Just my 2 Cents not really a hockey expert.

As i said its a matter of Preference but i really love the DBs that leave players room to grow and especially ones with very clear cut Player profiles that leave room for weaknesses and strenghts.
I know its not the creators of DBs to blame for this also as the game itselfs loves to create super guys over time too along the CA , but it has gotten really better over time with the Player roles and putting a Focus on offenive or defensive Talents. TBH i lately even see it gets even a Little unbalanced with specialty players too that have specialty Talents and big holes that sometimes dont make sense and open illogical holes. But i prefer those to all around super players with no holes at the age of 19/20.

Anyway every effort helps and this DB is a great effort. Nothing is wrong, so much right and greatly done. Will surely hope the TBL DB might be a Little more strict and balanced , but what is right in the end is always based on opinion too.
As you said this is a great community, i am always happy to get those great DBs and the discussion to come to the best product. We always search the best Balance but there will always be players that say they have pants prospects and the DB sucks while others love that they still are just that and have room to develop. And then there are always those wonderkids that put their stamp on the league with 20 years and the game basically knows only a Progress to the better and little decline , and that makes it extra hard to get those top youngsters "right". For oldies, they can easily rely on theri skill and be less in physics for me and still be valuable, same for role players especially. A second liner should have some scoring, but the third liner can already have those holes...for me the less the Talent the more the fun as you have to adjust the players to the roles they fit best, and good attributes in certain places distinguish a player especially. To say it superficial : If i see a Db and see just 20s and all attributes green it Comes across to me as if it doesnt really matter and all players are more or less the same. So i get more fun out of those DBs where i see man, this Team really has holes ,all others have too, the rookies Need to be developed the vets be slowl brought into other roles, a team has to be built, a philosophie..etc..thats the ultimate Goal..get away from who has the most perfect supertsars to Crash the net...as i said ..my dream...and only so much can be done for that via a DB ;-) But that brings me back to a Problem a have with this DB especially, all those awesoem Youngsters in the league with awesoem Attributes already..they have nowhere to go a lot more development wise, and that steals some fun too somehow.

A guy i like for example is Hischier, already top but with holes , his very low anticipation and especially positioning maybe are even too hard a handicap for the future but why not, and as i said the game is limited too saldy..would give him a little less physicals still, but then hed be a great future and already contributong Player i think that fits the development system also.

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Post by xECK29x » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:16 am

Beukeboom,

You might be trending to becoming one of my favorite Rangers fans. I really appreciate the comments, and I agree in all sports games, or those that have a "sim" component it appears in order to be a "top" tier player the game sees a need for the player to be at least "great" (i.e. above ~75% of the peer group) in all stats (mental/physical/raw ability). There is a strong need for simulation games (FHM/EHM) to disconnect the stats you can greatly improve over a career (physical maturity and hockey skills (i.e. skating, shooting, stick skills, awareness to an extent) from mental attributes or "hockey sense". Mental stats (i.e, attributes less likely to change or "those you are born with") like determination, anticipation, leadership, work ethic should be detached from the overall PA or have a separate CA/PA score. This would enable more accurate representation of players and allow for the creation of a "flawed superstar".

It's hard to articulate via a message board but I have seen it myself where if I set a players CA to something really high and leave all the stats at 0 (for auto generation), even for a sniper his checking ability, toughness, defensive skills all have to be a decently high (above average) score, which results in less flaws in a high-end player. I will try to play with this more and more as the db matures (if the interest from the public remains).

The counter-point to the argument is even the holes in the game of a "generational" talent, like Hischier. With his flaws in one or two categories, isn't he still better then most of his peer group? Isn't that what makes special players special? It's an interesting argument and the fact we can have it here is why I love this community so much. If I were to release a similar roster for EA games I would be crapped on for every single little personal preference from folks.

I would recommend if anyone feels certain players require certain tweaks, not that I wouldn't take those suggestions into account (please provide evidence if possible of why you feel a certain way like stats or video clip) but I'd recommend try downloading the EHM Editor and giving it a shot to tweak yourself, that is how I got into this.

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Post by watts555 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:48 pm

Beukeboom wrote: Also on the other end--- Marleau is awesoem but does he really have Acceleraton and Speed at 37 years at 15 and 17?
Have you seen the man skate? He is quite fast for someone at the age of 37

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Post by Beukeboom » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:49 pm

As i said i am not really a pro scout or anything and havent seen many NHL games even apart from the Rangers, i know Marleau has built his Career on his speed a lot and still is fast for his age. But in saying that you already admit age Plays a factor in speed and i DO believe even amrleau feels it. So saying he is stil fast for his age means he was a rocket and now is about average for an NHL Player which still is great when others loose their wheels with 30 already, but still it says he probaly isnt at elite speed compared to the comparison Group anymore. well all in all ist not even about one Freak of anture anyway, when i look at the players in the DB Overall.which from a data standpoint i really love and the Research that went into it, i just seem awesome vets, awesome Youngsters that are so good they cant even develop properly anymore and all in all i fear on forst sight it might be a little too little differnce in the attributes overall in the league.

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Post by archibalduk » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:45 pm

watts555 wrote:
Beukeboom wrote: Also on the other end--- Marleau is awesoem but does he really have Acceleraton and Speed at 37 years at 15 and 17?
Have you seen the man skate? He is quite fast for someone at the age of 37
I don't pretend to know the answer, but is he fast for someone in the NHL? This is the key question. The fact someone is fast for his age doesn't have all that much bearing on his rating - the rating scales are for the full hockey world for players of all ages.

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Post by watts555 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:22 am

archibalduk wrote: I don't pretend to know the answer, but is he fast for someone in the NHL? This is the key question. The fact someone is fast for his age doesn't have all that much bearing on his rating - the rating scales are for the full hockey world for players of all ages.
He is fast for someone in the NHL. And what I am saying is, just because he is 37 years old, doesn't mean that he isn't fast. Also, he is an exception, because, tbh, most 37 year olds have lost their speed.

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Post by PeakyBlinder » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:21 pm

Minor issue here, you forgot to mark Martin Jones's Stanley Cup run over in San Jose's as a "playoff" So instead of having 37 wins that season, the game records him as having 51 wins, breaking Martin Broduer's and Holtby's 48 wins in a season.

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Post by xECK29x » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:48 pm

PeakyBlinder wrote:Minor issue here, you forgot to mark Martin Jones's Stanley Cup run over in San Jose's as a "playoff" So instead of having 37 wins that season, the game records him as having 51 wins, breaking Martin Broduer's and Holtby's 48 wins in a season.
Fixed!

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Post by war_and_peaches » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:38 am

I had some adjustments in mind for CBJ, not sure if you will find these useful since I use 1-20 (sorry, old habit from playing Football Manager):

-Werenski's wrist shot should be 1-2 points higher than his slap shot, 17/18 vs 16.
-Jones' anticipation should be his highest stat. High end of 17 seems right. Positioning should come up a bit, creativity come down slightly.
-Jenner's wrist shot and slap shot should be about 2 points lower. He is never scoring 30 goals again.
-Anderson's deflections should be in the 14-15 range, but otherwise you did a nice job with his buff.
-Foligno's deflections should be at least 16. Deking should be 15. Passing should come down about a point. Speed and balance should come up a bit.
-Wennberg's anticipation should be in the 15-16 range, balance should be his highest physical around 16-17 and his defensive technicals should be slightly higher across the board.
-Bjorkstrand's speed, acceleration, and agility should be 2-3 points higher.
-Savard's passing and slapshot should be 3 points lower and his defensive technicals should be slightly higher.
-You did a good job with Nutivaara, which pleases me, since he is really underrated and coming into his own.
-Dubois' offensive stats should be higher across the board. Passing/creativity 15, stickhandling/anticipation/off the puck 14, flair/wrist shot 13, slap shot/deking 12.
-Calvert's checking and hitting should come up a bit, shots, passing, and stickhandling should come down.
-(Unfortunately not a Blue Jacket anymore, but) William Karlsson's defensive stats should be higher across the board, especially pokecheck, positioning, and anticipation.

I'll play around with the DB for awhile and see what else I can come up with. I love what you have done for the most part, though. Let me know if there is anything in particular you would like me to problematize.

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Post by xECK29x » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:09 pm

war_and_peaches wrote:I had some adjustments in mind for CBJ, not sure if you will find these useful since I use 1-20 (sorry, old habit from playing Football Manager):

-Werenski's wrist shot should be 1-2 points higher than his slap shot, 17/18 vs 16.
-Jones' anticipation should be his highest stat. High end of 17 seems right. Positioning should come up a bit, creativity come down slightly.
-Jenner's wrist shot and slap shot should be about 2 points lower. He is never scoring 30 goals again.
-Anderson's deflections should be in the 14-15 range, but otherwise you did a nice job with his buff.
-Foligno's deflections should be at least 16. Deking should be 15. Passing should come down about a point. Speed and balance should come up a bit.
-Wennberg's anticipation should be in the 15-16 range, balance should be his highest physical around 16-17 and his defensive technicals should be slightly higher across the board.
-Bjorkstrand's speed, acceleration, and agility should be 2-3 points higher.
-Savard's passing and slapshot should be 3 points lower and his defensive technicals should be slightly higher.
-You did a good job with Nutivaara, which pleases me, since he is really underrated and coming into his own.
-Dubois' offensive stats should be higher across the board. Passing/creativity 15, stickhandling/anticipation/off the puck 14, flair/wrist shot 13, slap shot/deking 12.
-Calvert's checking and hitting should come up a bit, shots, passing, and stickhandling should come down.
-(Unfortunately not a Blue Jacket anymore, but) William Karlsson's defensive stats should be higher across the board, especially pokecheck, positioning, and anticipation.

I'll play around with the DB for awhile and see what else I can come up with. I love what you have done for the most part, though. Let me know if there is anything in particular you would like me to problematize.

Thanks for this, I will definitely make these recommended changes.

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Post by PeakyBlinder » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:52 am

Uh, I might be bugging, I was messing with Tampa Bay earlier and it seems that the entire organization seems to be missing their player histories for the 16-17 season. Don't know if you noticed that.

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Post by xECK29x » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:04 pm

Yes there are some teams, I didn't get to for the histories just yet, the Lightning are one of them.

I just finished the Avs, Blues, Blackhawks, Blue Jackets and I am now up to the Canadians.

Any team (alphabetically above the Isles) has NOT been completed in that download. Expect a new version for testing by the middle of next week (will include U17 standouts and updated players from this years WJC camps).

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Post by skj1994 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:58 am

Hey everyone,

First-time poster here. I'm a longtime EA Sports NHL series "Franchise Mode" player who just learned about EHM for the very first time. I've always been dissatisfied with the Franchise Mode experience in the EA games, so am very excited to try out EHM.

I'm a Mac user, so I've downloaded "PlayOnMac" and have managed to figure out how to download Steam and EHM, as well as how to run EHM on Steam/PlayOnMac. I'm currently at a loss, however, on how to install the updated database that was posted in this thread into the game. Is there a way for Mac users to do this? If so, can someone please walk me through how to do it? I'm very anxious to start playing!

Thanks very much in advance for your help!

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Post by xECK29x » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:35 pm

skj1994 wrote:Hey everyone,

First-time poster here. I'm a longtime EA Sports NHL series "Franchise Mode" player who just learned about EHM for the very first time. I've always been dissatisfied with the Franchise Mode experience in the EA games, so am very excited to try out EHM.

I'm a Mac user, so I've downloaded "PlayOnMac" and have managed to figure out how to download Steam and EHM, as well as how to run EHM on Steam/PlayOnMac. I'm currently at a loss, however, on how to install the updated database that was posted in this thread into the game. Is there a way for Mac users to do this? If so, can someone please walk me through how to do it? I'm very anxious to start playing!

Thanks very much in advance for your help!
I can try to figure it out on my Mac but basically if you can identify where the game files are located and can copy the database files into a sub-folder (named anything) into the 'Eastside Hockey Manager\data\database' directory it should work. I'd try using Finder to search across your Mac for 'extra_config.cfg' or 'database.db' to help you find the folder.

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Post by gillespie » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:14 pm

xECK29x wrote:
skj1994 wrote:Hey everyone,

First-time poster here. I'm a longtime EA Sports NHL series "Franchise Mode" player who just learned about EHM for the very first time. I've always been dissatisfied with the Franchise Mode experience in the EA games, so am very excited to try out EHM.

I'm a Mac user, so I've downloaded "PlayOnMac" and have managed to figure out how to download Steam and EHM, as well as how to run EHM on Steam/PlayOnMac. I'm currently at a loss, however, on how to install the updated database that was posted in this thread into the game. Is there a way for Mac users to do this? If so, can someone please walk me through how to do it? I'm very anxious to start playing!

Thanks very much in advance for your help!
Unpack your files to your desktop or wherever you might prefer. When you're in Steam, right click on EHM and then ”properties” > ”local files” > ”browse local files”. I've managed to get this db working (thanks btw!), along with logos and facepacks.

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Post by PeakyBlinder » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:43 am

Is there a way to help expedite the process by like helping you fill out player histories for other teams? I would try but I don't know how to import/export player histories.

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Post by xECK29x » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:54 pm

PeakyBlinder wrote:Is there a way to help expedite the process by like helping you fill out player histories for other teams? I would try but I don't know how to import/export player histories.
Unfortunately I'm doing it all by hand (working on the Habs now), unless @Archi knows a way using the editor on how to do it for specific players. I really appreciate the offer, and if there was a way for multiple people do work on a single DB without corruption I would gladly take the help!

Really happy there is interest in keeping this project going!

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Post by archibalduk » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:25 pm

Yes there is a way. In the Editor click on Tools -> Import Spreadsheet -> Create Templates. This will create the spreadsheet templates which you can then complete and import into the database. You will see there is a career history spreadsheet which you can use for this. So you just list the name and DOB of the player(s) and then the entries you want to add.

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Post by xECK29x » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:24 pm

archibalduk wrote:Yes there is a way. In the Editor click on Tools -> Import Spreadsheet -> Create Templates. This will create the spreadsheet templates which you can then complete and import into the database. You will see there is a career history spreadsheet which you can use for this. So you just list the name and DOB of the player(s) and then the entries you want to add.
Thanks man! Will give this a try

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Post by Monette » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:28 am

This databse was updated around the world or only main league ?
Was it the last date of the updated version ?

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