Updating the history in Manimal v4.1 - VOLUNTEERS NEEDED!

[kabbott50]

NHL
Anaheim - Archi
Buffalo - kabbott50
Chicago - bobmcgoo
Colorado - kabbott50
Detroit - DoubleB
Edmonton - WallyWallcakes
Los Angeles - MacPhal
Montreal - jobiol
Nashville - Myhthrell
NY Islanders - Isles22
Pittsburgh - Smetana
Toronto - AaronRStanley
Vancouver - Watts555
Winnipeg - Archi

AHL
Grand Rapids - DoubleB
Lake Erie - kabbott50
Milwaukee - Myhthrell
Oklahoma City - WallyWallcakes
Rochester - kabbott50
St. John's - kabbott50
Toronto - AaronRStanley
Wilkes Barre/Scranton - Smetana

ECHL
Cincinnati - Myhthrell
Reading - Gige

OHL
Loosie

Russian KHL
Dinamo Riga - ThunderWolf

Swedish Elitserien
Färjestad BK - Reave

Finnish SM-League
ArtZi/Myhthrell (I guess you can decide amongst yourselves who will do what team)

Buffalo/Rochester are complete. I'll get started on my hometown IceCaps next.

[Loosie]

Another note. It seems that european players will require a bit of digging for some stats (eliteprospects has been very helpful), but goalie stats are hard to come by, esp. W/L records. Example is Johan Mattsson, I've found GP/GA/Shots/SO, but no W/L records for him. Any ideas?

[Alessandro]

The other problem I've run into is with Andery Kuchin of the Sudbury Wolves, Elite Prospects shows he's played in the lower tier Russian leagues but has not stats: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=17619 And I found a 'Russian hockey' page that seems to inidcate he's played in a lot of tournaments, do I count those as his stats in the Russia-3 league? or just leave those years out? or make it all 0's? http://r-hockey.ru/player.asp?TXT=12219&Language=e

Please add them! But only the "Russian Championship.First League.Division Center" ones. The other are junior leagues which are not present in EHM.

[Alessandro]

Another note. It seems that european players will require a bit of digging for some stats (eliteprospects has been very helpful), but goalie stats are hard to come by, esp. W/L records. Example is Johan Mattsson, I've found GP/GA/Shots/SO, but no W/L records for him. Any ideas?

For the KHL you can watch on http://en.khl.ru/stat/players/202/

[poneri]

I'm not sure this is what you mean but Johan Mattsson stats can be checked on http://ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/9245

[AaronRStanley]

I'll be listing here players for the Maple Leafs organization that have played primarily overseas, that I'm having difficulty with.

Carl Gunnarsson - He played for Linkoping HC in the SEL, and also played games in Sweden-1. Do I list only the Swedish Elite League and Sweden-1stats?

Jussi Rynnas - hockeydb.com lists him playing in Assat of the SM-liiga, while tsn.ca lists those same years for Assat as Fin Jr. One and the same I'm assuming? He also played in the Fin-2 and Fin, list both?

Jonas Gustavsson - His history is similar to Rynnas', in that he listed on tsn.ca as having a much more extended history in Swe2 and Swe3. Is is the same as Gunnarson, and I should only list Sweden-1 and the Swedish Elite League?

Korbinian Holzer has the same statistics, except for the stats are for the German leagues

Sorry for the questions, but I'm just not very knowledgeable about international leagues and their set-up. Perhaps if I could work with someone on the Maple Leafs organization that is more familiar with international leagues, and I'll handle the North America players?

As an update, I've completed all the defensemen with the exception of Gunnarsson & Holzer. All goaltenders except for Rynnas, Owuya, & Gustavsson are done. I'll be finishing those forwards that I haven't done today.

[Manimal]

I'll be listing here players for the Maple Leafs organization that have played primarily overseas, that I'm having difficulty with.

Carl Gunnarsson - He played for Linkoping HC in the SEL, and also played games in Sweden-1. Do I list only the Swedish Elite League and Sweden-1stats?

List all his stats. There can be several rows for each season

Jussi Rynnas - hockeydb.com lists him playing in Assat of the SM-liiga, while tsn.ca lists those same years for Assat as Fin Jr. One and the same I'm assuming? He also played in the Fin-2 and Fin, list both?

In Europe, The teams own their junior teams. Rynnäs played for Porin Ässät in both SM-Liiga and Fin Jr. As I said before, list all

Jonas Gustavsson - His history is similar to Rynnas', in that he listed on tsn.ca as having a much more extended history in Swe2 and Swe3. Is is the same as Gunnarson, and I should only list Sweden-1 and the Swedish Elite League?

Again, list all

[scorpions91]

Why does it say Manimal 4.1 on the topic name? 4.0 havent been released yet.

[batdad]

Because 4.0 will not have the history. 4.1 will be the second release and it will have the history. At least I think that is the way it will be.

[kabbott50]

NHL
Anaheim - Archi
Buffalo - kabbott50
Chicago - bobmcgoo
Colorado - kabbott50
Detroit - DoubleB
Edmonton - WallyWallcakes
Los Angeles - MacPhal
Montreal - jobiol
Nashville - Myhthrell
NY Islanders - Isles22
Philadelphia - kabbott50
Pittsburgh - Smetana
Toronto - AaronRStanley
Vancouver - Watts555
Winnipeg - Archi

AHL
Adirondack - kabbott50
Grand Rapids - DoubleB
Lake Erie - kabbott50
Milwaukee - Myhthrell
Oklahoma City - WallyWallcakes
Rochester - kabbott50
St. John's - kabbott50
Toronto - AaronRStanley
Wilkes Barre/Scranton - Smetana

ECHL
Cincinnati - Myhthrell
Reading - Gige

OHL
Loosie

Russian KHL
Dinamo Riga - ThunderWolf

Swedish Elitserien
Färjestad BK - Reave

Finnish SM-League
ArtZi/Myhthrell (I guess you can decide amongst yourselves who will do what team)

St. John's is complete. Philadelphia and Adirondack will be next on my list!

[scorpions91]

Because 4.0 will not have the history. 4.1 will be the second release and it will have the history. At least I think that is the way it will be.

Okay but does that mean that 4.0 will be released very soon? OMG i hope so!

[Loosie]

I'm not sure this is what you mean but Johan Mattsson stats can be checked on http://ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/9245

Yes but that is only his current season in the OHL, I was trying to find his stats with Sodertalje, I was able to find his GP/MIN/GA/SO/SVS stats, but not his W-L-T record.

[archibalduk]

Because 4.0 will not have the history. 4.1 will be the second release and it will have the history. At least I think that is the way it will be.

Okay but does that mean that 4.0 will be released very soon? OMG i hope so!

The Bat/Hockey Dad is correct! It'll be merged into v4.1. As soon as v4.0 is released I can then distribute the Editor so that you can all copy and paste your stats into the Editor. Then you click on the export button in the Editor, email the files to me and I'll then import all of your files into the rosters.

Unfortunately there's no release date for v4.0. It's just that I'd added the ability to paste stats into the Editor so we can at least get some of the prep work done in the mean time.

[archibalduk]

I'm not sure this is what you mean but Johan Mattsson stats can be checked on http://ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/9245

Yes but that is only his current season in the OHL, I was trying to find his stats with Sodertalje, I was able to find his GP/MIN/GA/SO/SVS stats, but not his W-L-T record.

Maybe there might be something somewhere here: http://forums.internationalhockey.net/ Maybe.

The best I could find is here: http://www.eurohockey.net/players/show_ ... ial=125612

If you can't find W-L-T then leave those three set to zero. So long as the Games Played is correct then it will show up in game.

Do you think we should keep a list of players that we can't find history or some parts of the history for?

[Manimal]

Swedish Elitserien stats can be found here as well: http://estat.hockeyligan.se/c/TSeasons.aspx

It contains W for goalies

[Myhthrell]

Is playouts considered as playoffs in this project?

I know there's playouts stats in EHM (I don't know if they're used ever?), but I think that the current editor just has playoff tick.

[archibalduk]

Is playouts considered as playoffs in this project?

I know there's playouts stats in EHM (I don't know if they're used ever?), but I think that the current editor just has playoff tick.

You're right - the game only stores stats for regular season and playoffs. There is no third option for playouts.

Which league has the playouts? Maybe if we check the pre 2006/07 history in the Manimal Rosters for one of those teams, we'll be able to see how SI dealt with this in the past.


Btw, MaToS88 has kindly offered to cover the Slovakian league. He is unable to find any +/- or goalie stats but he will work on the skaters. If anybody knows where to find the missing stats then do let me/MaToS88 know.

[Myhthrell]

All finnish leagues have playouts currently, tho I'm not sure if it is so in EHM. SM-League used to be closed league some years ago.

In any case, I'm thinking that most of the minor / non-US leagues have these systems.

Edit: Personally I think it's pretty much same than playoffs, I'm not sure how EHM handles player experience but I think that atleast AI (and scouts and so on) use stastics as a way to see how good or bad players are (which imo , in general, is a wrong way to do it in EHM ).

[Reave]

NHL
Anaheim - Archi
Buffalo - kabbott50
Chicago - bobmcgoo
Colorado - kabbott50
Detroit - DoubleB
Edmonton - WallyWallcakes
Los Angeles - MacPhal
Montreal - jobiol
Nashville - Myhthrell
NY Islanders - Isles22
Philadelphia - kabbott50
Pittsburgh - Smetana
Toronto - AaronRStanley
Vancouver - Watts555
Winnipeg - Archi

AHL
Adirondack - kabbott50
Grand Rapids - DoubleB
Lake Erie - kabbott50
Milwaukee - Myhthrell
Oklahoma City - WallyWallcakes
Rochester - kabbott50
St. John's - kabbott50
Toronto - AaronRStanley
Wilkes Barre/Scranton - Smetana

ECHL
Cincinnati - Myhthrell
Reading - Gige

OHL
Loosie

Russian KHL
Dinamo Riga - ThunderWolf

Swedish Elitserien
AIK - Reave
Brynäs IF - Reave
Färjestad BK - Reave

Finnish SM-League
ArtZi/Myhthrell (I guess you can decide amongst yourselves who will do what team)

Two questions;

* For those players I cant find +/- for, should I leave it blank or put in a "0"?

* Jonas Liwing played 06/07 with HC Innsbruck in Austrias top league, since then the team have been relegated to the 2nd league (also in the DB). Which league should it be in the sheet?

[kabbott50]

NHL
Anaheim - Archi
Buffalo - kabbott50
Chicago - bobmcgoo
Colorado - kabbott50
Detroit - DoubleB
Edmonton - WallyWallcakes
Los Angeles - MacPhal
Montreal - jobiol
Nashville - Myhthrell
NY Islanders - Isles22
Philadelphia - kabbott50
Pittsburgh - Smetana
Toronto - AaronRStanley
Vancouver - Watts555
Winnipeg - Archi

AHL
Adirondack - kabbott50
Grand Rapids - DoubleB
Lake Erie - kabbott50
Milwaukee - Myhthrell
Oklahoma City - WallyWallcakes
Rochester - kabbott50
St. John's - kabbott50
Toronto - AaronRStanley
Wilkes Barre/Scranton - Smetana

ECHL
Cincinnati - Myhthrell
Reading - Gige

QMJHL
Halifax - kabbott50

OHL
Loosie

Russian KHL
Dinamo Riga - ThunderWolf

Slovakian Extraliga
MaToS88

Swedish Elitserien
AIK - Reave
Brynäs IF - Reave
Färjestad BK - Reave

Finnish SM-League
ArtZi/Myhthrell (I guess you can decide amongst yourselves who will do what team)

Philly and Adirondack are complete. I think I'm going to go off the board with my next one, and do the Halifax Mooseheads.

EDIT: At some point when I'm really bored or something, I may edit this list to show all the teams, whether started or not. Or maybe set it up as a file for easy access and editing.

[archibalduk]

Two questions;

* For those players I cant find +/- for, should I leave it blank or put in a "0"?

* Jonas Liwing played 06/07 with HC Innsbruck in Austrias top league, since then the team have been relegated to the 2nd league (also in the DB). Which league should it be in the sheet?

Very good questions! I'm going to put this in large red text because it is important that everybody knows this.

1) For any stat you cannot find then you must set it to zero. There is no option for a blank stat in EHM. Note that the games played stat is the exception - it has to be set to at least 1. If the games played is zero then it won't appear in game. If a player did not play any games in a particular season then you do not need to record it.

2) You should record the league he played in during that season. So if Jonas Liwing played in the top league in 06/07 then that is the league you should record for 06/07. If he played in a lower league with the same team in the following seasons then you should enter that lower league for those following seasons. Even if the league is now defunct, you should still enter that league into the history for that season. In other words, you should record the exact league that he played in that season.

All finnish leagues have playouts currently, tho I'm not sure if it is so in EHM. SM-League used to be closed league some years ago.

In any case, I'm thinking that most of the minor / non-US leagues have these systems.

Edit: Personally I think it's pretty much same than playoffs, I'm not sure how EHM handles player experience but I think that atleast AI (and scouts and so on) use stastics as a way to see how good or bad players are (which imo , in general, is a wrong way to do it in EHM ).

So did the SM-Liiga have playouts in 2005/06? Or did any other league have playouts in 05/06? If so then we check the player histories already in EHM for those seasons. I think we ought to take the same approach as SI took. When developing EHM and ensuring the Finnish leagues, etc are correctly simulated, I expect SI would have taken into account whether or not the playouts were recorded in the career histories.

I have to say that I still can't get over the enthusiasm and attention to detail everybody has shown to this project. When I posted the request for help, I thought we'd have maybe five or six people volunteer! Instead, we have huge group of users working together - very cool!

EDIT: Playouts should be recorded as playoffs. Thanks to Manimal for confirming this.

[archibalduk]

Philly and Adirondack are complete. I think I'm going to go off the board with my next one, and do the Halifax Mooseheads.

This is some seriously great work!

[Lazion]

SM-Liiga didn't have series of playouts in 05/06.
Between FIN-2 and FIN-3 there were playouts, but stats in EHM for those leagues might be little flaw.

I'm not sure if Swedish leagues had playouts in 05/06? Or was it straight relegation/promotion..

[kabbott50]

Philly and Adirondack are complete. I think I'm going to go off the board with my next one, and do the Halifax Mooseheads.

This is some seriously great work!

Thanks. I can't write code for programs/editors, so I figured I should help out somehow!

This is something I've been itching to do for a long time in the Pre-Game Editor, but because it was the PGE, I knew it would take waaaaaaaay too long so I never bothered. This way now, everybody who wants to help can, and will, and we'll have everything updated accordingly!

[Manimal]

We had playouts in Sweden in 05-06. They are listed as play-offs in the editor