Feedback on the Trade AI

[umwoz]

Johnny Boychuck is having a career year, a possible Norris Trophy candidate and just got offered a fat extension by the Isles (while the Bruins that traded him are at risk of possibly not making the playoffs because they are without him,) yet in my sim of the 14-15 season he was on the trade block around deadline time and ended up in Columbus for a modest return.

This specific and related issues I imagine is more to do with the community created database

[Seraquel]

Dallas did something odd in my game, released 5 goalies on the 21st of September, and started the season with Kari Lehtonen only (who got injured of course)... They didnt do so well that season..

[batdad]

LOL. I recall Dallas doing that in the old version somewhere along the way as well. Blamed it then on Nieuwendyk, and all his groupies being dumb arses, but maybe not.

[philou21]

Yeah someone posted a screenshot of their two generated goalies with GAA like 6 or 8 and save % of .750 or something.

[visualdarkness]

Isn't that called tanking? I mean Buffalo almost did that IRL.

[Koekenbakker]

Isn't that called tanking? I mean Buffalo almost did that IRL.

Not if you don't want to tank. Fleury has those numbers in first twenty games of the season. It's Kasparaitis. He lets in four out of five shots in the first three minutes.

[Satyr]

Inquired for McDavid, just wanted to know a price, Lightning came with this:



Korostelev is a 1st rounder (#27, 2015), who is rated as a more talented Sam Gagner, Terrell Draude is a 5th rounder (#135, 2015), rated as a next Mikko Koivu.

Well, a no-brainer, right?

[geckon]

I once wanted to draft 10th overall because there was a player I really wanted and I was afraid he would be picked soon (I don't know who he was but that's not really important). I had 29th pick in the first round that season. So I waited the first 9 picks and when he was still available, I tried to trade for that 10th overall. I wasn't able to get it for any reasonable price so I decided to let it go. For sure, he was picked the 10th. Out of curiosity I tried to inquire about his rights immediately after he was picked and I was able to get the guy for my 1st rounder (again, 29th overall) only.

[sluice]

I'm currently finishing my 2019-2020 season with the Toronto Maple Leafs.

A LOT of weird trades happened these last few seasons:

CPU to CPU trades
-Ovechkin changed team twice (He was traded to the Blackhawks and 1 year later to the Stars).
-Paccioretty was traded to Pittsburgh (in 2019)
-Voracek been traded to the leafs
-Keith traded to Colorado
-Giroux has been traded to Dallas (after the Stars have decided not to sign Jamie Benn)
-Josi traded to me for rubbish (Despise having a bunch of attributes at 20: passing, poke-checking, positioning, etc..)
-Seabrook traded to me for rubbish
-Shea Weber traded to me for Seabrook + rubbish (Weber went on to win the norris the next 3 seasons)
-Tavares traded to me for rubbish
**where rubbish mean mediocre prospect and a bunch of picks (not 1st)

Most of these trades were pure BS. I don't recall all of them. Put they were all no brainers for one side.. I could of landed all of theses stars easily, if it wasn't for my already good team and no cap space)

But the worst management has to be from Chicago:
1. Oh Adam Oates! No cap space... trade: Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford for next to nothing.
2. Oh Adam Oates! We have cap space! Let's trade for Ovechkin.
3. Oh Adam Oates! Toews + Kane + Ovechkin account for over 40% of the cap space....We have no depth...let's trade Ovechkin!
4. Oh Adam Oates! We have space.. let's sign Voracek for 7+ millions a year.
5. Oh Adam Oates! We don't have any cap space anymore, let's shop around Toews

[Peter_Doherty]

Yeah, the biggest problem is how the AI works the cap... When they have cap problems they send their big name players instead of their overpaid depth like they would IRL... Bickel, Oduya etc would be the guys they want to send away, if not possible then they look at Sharp and maybe Hossa... AI clearly needs some work in this aspect

[KevT90]

I gave two old AHL guys for Marty St Louis right at the beginning of my game. Hamilton Bulldogs D Bryan ALLEN and G Joey MacDonald for St. Louis !!!

Also got a 1st round pick and sent away Sergey GONCHAR and Torrey MITCHELL. Both players didn't even made my starting lineup. GONCHAR is old as F*** and overpaid.

I also believe that even if Early Access claimed it was harder to trade I cannot say I agree with these kind of trades.

[ccaskey]

Johnny Boychuck is having a career year, a possible Norris Trophy candidate and just got offered a fat extension by the Isles (while the Bruins that traded him are at risk of possibly not making the playoffs because they are without him,) yet in my sim of the 14-15 season he was on the trade block around deadline time and ended up in Columbus for a modest return.

This specific and related issues I imagine is more to do with the community created database

I've been playing with the default databases and haven't noticed any such trades, I haven't looked at any fire sales by teams needing cap space, but generally if a team has traded 2+ players out, they've traded similar back in

[batdad]

1st season trade deadline.

Chicago is fighting for a playoff spot, but is currently not in it. Thankfully in spite of offers all over the map for Duncan Keith, which included 1st round picks and 2nd round picks plus good solid players (like Brad Boyes) they did not make the deal. At the same time as the Keith offers were coming in the Hawks made this deal with San Jose, which made NO SENSE to me considering the Sharks are struggling to hold on to a playoff spot for themselves.

To Sharks: MARION HOSSA,
TO Hawks: BRendan Dillion, Mirco Mueller and the rights to Rourke Chartier.


TO RANGERS : BRAD RICHARDS......to HAWKS: Rights to Brandon Halverson, Kevin Hayes. What the Dickens?
But...the offers out there were insane.

Pittsburgh received offers for both Hornqvist and Kunitz. Both players trade offers included 1st rounders, 2nd rounders and Boston also threw in Brett Connolly and Reilly Smith. yeah threw them in. And the Pens turned them down. It was the same offer from Boston for both players.


Other deals that were interesting, especially with both teams in playoff spots solidly.

To Minnesota: Hampus Lindholm
To Anaheim: Mikko Koivu

And this one is hilarious, considering the real life situation which saw a move the other way.

To San Jose: Jordan Leopold
To Minnesota: 2nd round pick. REALLY? A 2nd rounder for a 7th dman? Wow.


And this one made me laugh.

To Minnesota: Filip Forsberg
To Nashville: Tomas Vanek, RIghts to Chase Lang

IN total at the deadline there were 10 trades, 5 of which involved Minnesota. Not a horrible job by the AI in what has gone on in trading in my game so far, but not a great job either.

Oh ywah and the Hawks traded David Runblad to Columbus for TWO THIRD ROUND PICKS>

5 picks changed hands at deadline (2 seconds, 2 thirds and a 4th)

Was not the insanity of 20 -30 trades like in EHM 2007 but the decisions of the Hawks and WIld ...as well as CBJ were odd. And the Boston offers to Pittsburgh, and the fact that the PEns were too stupid to accept either made me laugh.

[Schlitz]

I'm playing with the Panthers and saw that Jagr has a NTC and his contract is up at the end of the season. Well he seems to be wanting to retire because he won't accept any new contract offers no matter what. So, in my absentmindedness I put him up on the block to go fishing and get a lot of 4th round offers. The Flyers offer up an OK young D-man so I accept since the Panthers desperately need help on D and bam! The trade is completed. Only afterward do I remember he had a no trade clause.


And I put up one of my centers on the block to try and get my finances headed out of the red and get an offer from the Preds for a solid defender. I've clicked on OFFER and RESPOND to try and accept their offer but it keeps getting rejected. If they offer the deal why isn't there simply an ACCEPT option? And why do they keep rejecting it when I don't make any changes? I even threw in some late round picks but they still reject it.

[batdad]

THe AI teams change their minds quite often, and even though offering something....they may not want to do it. It is a bit of a pet peeve of mine about EHM. Happens every so often. But at least they are not offering 1st round picks for scrubs the day after they are drafted or the day after Free Agency opens. I cannot recall how many times I got first round picks for a guy I had JUST drafted in the 5th round. What is that dman from ONtario with the big shot, who Colorado had for a bit? Ryan Wilson I think? HE was awesome at getting a ton the day after the draft. Patrick Marleau of the prospect world back in the day.

[Schlitz]

THe AI teams change their minds quite often, and even though offering something....they may not want to do it. It is a bit of a pet peeve of mine about EHM. Happens every so often. But at least they are not offering 1st round picks for scrubs the day after they are drafted or the day after Free Agency opens. I cannot recall how many times I got first round picks for a guy I had JUST drafted in the 5th round. What is that dman from ONtario with the big shot, who Colorado had for a bit? Ryan Wilson I think? HE was awesome at getting a ton the day after the draft. Patrick Marleau of the prospect world back in the day.

That really is annoying. I just took another offer for the same player since my first choice keeps getting rejected and that also was rejected in the same manner. This is something that needs to be addressed. I also noticed that once I try to accept one of the offers, about 8-10 other teams are suddenly trying to trade for the same player I was willing to accept. It seems like any player I show interest in is suddenly the hot commodity with about 10 teams going after him. This is also a bit odd.

[saberhagen83]

I don't know if this is good or bad (obviously good for me). So I made the misstake of thinking defenceman Eric Brewer was waived by Toronto and picked up without me wanting the guy, turns out he was from Jets and it was a center picked up from Toronto.

But anyway, a few months pass and it's the trade deadline. I offer Brewer to all and I get a fair few offers back. A couple of half decent players that wouldn't do anything for my Panthers but may improve San Antonio. A few 4th rounders mostly with Chicago offering a 3rd, so I had just about made up my mind to trade him there when the last offer came in...from Jets. And they offer me goalie Pavelec, who is rated as a starter. It was a no brainer to take that cause no matter what, Pavelec would represent much higher value compared to the 3rd.

Granted Jets had 2 great goalies already, but I'm thinking they very likely could have gotten much more than Brewer if they truly wanted to get rid of the guy.

Otherwise I like how it is, I really cannot pick up future franchise players. I tried a few times (can't recall the names right now) even offering all of my availible 1st rounders + good player or 2 and they would still refuse. Though I thought I could get Breyden Schenn from Philly, they looked like they were willing to deal but then all of a sudden made him untradable, wouldn't give him up no matter what. Should have pulled the trigger sooner I think.

[Peter_Doherty]

It's far from perfect but this latest patch has made the Trade AI alot better from my experience with it atleast, less STUPID moves by the AI... As an example, i couldn't get a 1st rounder for Mason, which made me sad but it also feels right (he had a few decent to bad seasons so he was not playing like IRL )... A mediocre starter on a big deal shouldn't get a 1st and it didn't so yeah, thats good

[saberhagen83]

Think this might be a little bit of a bug. Tried to strike a deal with Columbus with a player they put up on the block, offering them a 4th pick. They reject, cause it would unbalance their roster. I include a player in my new offer, even though it makes no sense! They reject again for the same reason, but counter offer with my first offer...so their player for a 4th round pick. This time it goes through with no problem.

[KevT90]

Post update ... That trade should have never been allowed for me

[Peter_Doherty]

Maybe The Duke got a lowish PA in your save while Hudon has highish... i presume neither have a set PA but have -xx

[KevT90]

2 scouts I have that are 20 Jdg player and 20 jdg potential are saying he is close to reaching his potential. Both scouts have him as projected 3rd liner being compared to Josh Bailey or Kris Versteeg. Haven't scouted Duclair yet though.

[Peter_Doherty]

Deals like that might look weird but they are not horrible and might vary because of the difference in PA... Really doesn't show if the AI is broken or not
Deals that brake the AI is stuff that you could do before that i think is fixed now, where you could get the #1 OA pick for next to nothing and such things...

[KevT90]

After scouting Duclair, my perfect scout gives him 5 stars in Future recommendation and says he his an excellent prospect. Definitely has promises to become a impact player if not a star in the NHL. I know this is not the worst trade I have ever seen and the update did help fixing some stuff but I hope they keep working on the AI when it comes to trade =)

[AustSaint]

The new patch has made trading a little bit better, I have started the game a few times before and after the patch and basically have noticed a marked difference. The only really annoying things are when you do a deal with a team(I really wanted Cam Fowler), they loved the trade and I though cool, but then they still rejected it. My other annoyance is when a team puts a player on the block, the Red wings put Gustav Nyquist on the block and then kept either rejecting trades or inquiries. Am loving the game though, it takes time to work out the nitty gritty bu it reminds me of the fun times I had with a Canadian friend in Japan playing EHM 2007.