Bugs & Crashes in EHM 1

[riazorblues86]

Well, its getting weird..since last update to the newest update,

i found out that not just cannot resign or offer-sheet to RFA which will cancel the deal

and now, i cannot resign any player even i offer them what they want or even more lucrative deal, the player will reject.

so how should i do? it is a bug or what?

[lemming3k]

Since a recent update are there issues with RFA's not filing for arbitration?
I've seen one guy not sign anywhere and the season is now underway, no sign of arbitration and his demands have lowered massively, but still no contract (no teams coming in with offer sheets either, but if I go in with one it gets matched every time). I'd have thought he was a prime candidate for arbitration a few weeks back, never mind now - and my guys have always been quick to demand it, unless an update has messed it up?

It's hard to know what to think in your example, because you don't mention any of the relevant circumstance, you don't even mention who the player that won't sign is

And the RFA thing has come up a few times lately, and since IRL it's successfully happened once in the last 18 years (8 years ago) it can't possible affect things that much IMO
I certainly don't immediately think "issues" or anything "messed up" based on what you're describing...

Sorry, as it's a regen I didn't think the name would mean anything.
He's 22, starting goaltender material(now), but ousted from his team by possibly the best goaltender to ever live (I'm not even kidding, picked in the 7th round but he's a beast). His demands are perfectly reasonable, but obviously he can't (or won't) come to an agreement with his current team for whatever reason (we're now in the middle of October) and his demands are now less than 2 million.

Surely he should file for arbitration by now? I've had quite a few guys take that route, even when I'm offering them good deals, and it usually only takes 3-4 weeks at most to file for it. This guys been around for months!

[nino33]

Post/upload your game on the SI Bugs Forum for Riz to have a look http://community.sigames.com/forumdispl ... Bugs-Forum

When this is done it seems Riz finds/fixes the issues

[nino33]

I've just started some testing looking at the same couple teams in 3 different sims - one at all Intense for practice, one at all Medium, and the third with the Head Coach in control

I've got family plans the next few days (including some camping where I'll be away from my computer), but I should have some results by early next week

FYI I'm giving up on the testing looking at practice/development at this time; I don't have the time
Recent days have been extra busy (camping was great!), and I return to work on Thursday

[Saapas]

So I was just looking at league leaders of Finnish Fourth Division and tried to scout players straight from the league leaders page by right clicking and scout player. At the screen where you select scouts I clicked confirm and it simulated to the next day instead of putting the scout to scout the player

E: After looking again it did put scout to scout the player but still it simulated to next day

[mike_B]

I have noticed that NHL teams are hiring very bad replacements after sacking their head coach. Usually they hire some scout with very low coaching attributes. I don't know if tactical knowledge is important attribute for head coach, but I would assume that it is. In my game Flyers just hired Don Paarup as head coach, and his highest attribute in coaching is eight. And this same goes for all teams in NHL (and probably other leagues too).

[krownroyal83]

I have noticed that NHL teams are hiring very bad replacements after sacking their head coach. Usually they hire some scout with very low coaching attributes. I don't know if tactical knowledge is important attribute for head coach, but I would assume that it is. In my game Flyers just hired Don Paarup as head coach, and his highest attribute in coaching is eight. And this same goes for all teams in NHL (and probably other leagues too).

Have you posted this to the SI forums? Better chance of it getting looked at if you post it there. I can post it for you if you don't have an account or don't want to create one. Let me know.

[mike_B]

No, I have not posted it and I do not have an account there. So go ahead and post it, thanks.

[nino33]

I have noticed that NHL teams are hiring very bad replacements after sacking their head coach. Usually they hire some scout with very low coaching attributes. I don't know if tactical knowledge is important attribute for head coach, but I would assume that it is. In my game Flyers just hired Don Paarup as head coach, and his highest attribute in coaching is eight. And this same goes for all teams in NHL (and probably other leagues too).

What year were you in? My testing (2030) found the Head Coach Coaching G/D/F values were averaging 10-11 http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 13#p198513

[mike_B]

I just started a new game and the year is 2018. This has happened in all of my games though. When I look at the unemployed staff list, there would be good coaches available, but for some reason NHL teams keep signing coaches (or scouts as head coaches) with low attributes, sack them, hire another bad coach etc.

Other issue is, that there's no technique-based coaches available and if I set head coach to take control of practice, coaches are not assigned as they should. I don't want to take control of practice or tactics, just to play as a gm.

[nino33]

I just started a new game and the year is 2018. This has happened in all of my games though.

That's surprising to me; my testing didn't show this (you said no one above 8, testing found 10-11 averages)

f I set head coach to take control of practice, coaches are not assigned as they should.

I don't know what this means (you realize you assign them? how do you know they're "not assigned as they should"?)

[Tasku]

I'm guessing he means who is assigned to which duty: defensive, offensive, goalie coaching, etc.

For me they seem appropriately assigned by the AI.

[mike_B]

just started a new game and the year is 2018. This has happened in all of my games though.

That's surprising to me; my testing didn't show this (you said no one above 8, testing found 10-11 averages)

I'm not sure what you are trying to say? There would be good head coaches available, but for some reason, nhl teams pick up very bad ones.

f I set head coach to take control of practice, coaches are not assigned as they should.

I don't know what this means (you realize you assign them? how do you know they're "not assigned as they should"?)

I forgot the word assistant. Assistant coaches are not assigned as they "should" based on their attributes, just like Tasku said. I might have an assistant coach who has high end skills in coaching defensemen, but for some reason, he is assigned for only conditioning.

[nino33]

just started a new game and the year is 2018. This has happened in all of my games though.

That's surprising to me; my testing didn't show this (you said no one above 8, testing found 10-11 averages)

I'm not sure what you are trying to say? There would be good head coaches available, but for some reason, nhl teams pick up very bad ones.

You said "his highest attribute in coaching is eight. And this same goes for all teams in NHL (and probably other leagues too)"
I thought "that's surprising...NHL Coaches where the highest coaching Attribute is 8"

So I looked at a test I had from the year 2030, and looked at the NHL coaching Attributes
I used the EHM:EA Assistant http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... &start=275 which provides all the needed data in a spreadsheet (easy to sort, average, etc)

You said no one was above 8
Sixteen years after start-up I saw an average of 10-11 in coaching Attributes (so clearly most were above 8)
If the NHL teams had been picking very bad coaches for even longer, shouldn't my results have been much worse/lower values than yours?

[Tasku]

Perhaps it's a bug that doesn't happen every time? Like I said, I have not noticed the problem of my AI coach assigning his assistants like Mike's assistant does. And your testing doesn't show the same problem as his does.

[nino33]

Perhaps it's a bug that doesn't happen every time? Like I said, I have not noticed the problem of my AI coach assigning his assistants like Mike's assistant does. And your testing doesn't show the same problem as his does.

It does show some concerns though
I think the problem is Mike shouldn't have said "all" (should have said "some" or "to many".....but if he had I likely would have never looked into it further HaHa)

I looked at this a little closer earlier today on the SI Boards http://community.sigames.com/showthread ... ad-coaches

[mike_B]

Perhaps it's a bug that doesn't happen every time? Like I said, I have not noticed the problem of my AI coach assigning his assistants like Mike's assistant does. And your testing doesn't show the same problem as his does.

It does show some concerns though
I think the problem is Mike shouldn't have said "all" (should have said "some" or "to many".....but if he had I likely would have never looked into it further HaHa)

I looked at this a little closer earlier today on the SI Boards http://community.sigames.com/showthread ... ad-coaches

What i tried to say is that all of the teams seem to be hiring bad head coaches every now and then.

[visualdarkness]

Perhaps it's a bug that doesn't happen every time? Like I said, I have not noticed the problem of my AI coach assigning his assistants like Mike's assistant does. And your testing doesn't show the same problem as his does.

It does show some concerns though
I think the problem is Mike shouldn't have said "all" (should have said "some" or "to many".....but if he had I likely would have never looked into it further HaHa)

I looked at this a little closer earlier today on the SI Boards http://community.sigames.com/showthread ... ad-coaches

What i tried to say is that all of the teams seem to be hiring bad head coaches every now and then.

Yes, that is the correct assessment. And it is quite in-line with Ninos testing actually. If the average is about 10-11 and most coaches are 13< then there has to be a bunch of brutal ones dragging down the average. Usually the AI hired my ex scouts like they are commodity. It is quite funny how the AI fires the "scout headcoaches" withing a couple of months usually only to hire a new brutal one.

[batdad]

Yep absolutely. And yes it is in line with Nino;s numbers...but to me there are two separate issues.

1. Coach attribute low end is too low. Average needs to be a little higher.

But this will still not IMHO stop #2

2. Hiring coaches based solely on reputation and whatever those successful scouts with HORRIBLe coaching attributes are bringing with them. As the team they scout for has success, their reputation goes up...as I have seen...and then they get signed as a head coach? Really? I think that is more to do with how the AI decides to hire head coaches, not how the attribute spread exists. Yes if we increase coaches attributes on the low end that will bring them to proper place, but I BET it will not stop the AI from hiring scouts as head coaches...solely based on the fact that hiring has been based on reputation in the past in this game (07) and possibly still is.

[visualdarkness]

I agree completely, the first one we can fix short-term (not for regens though) but the second one is up to Riz fix.

[visualdarkness]

So 9=4 or am I missing something?

[mike_B]

After updating to 15.12b I can't start my game anymore. I have 2 gm's in my game and I have set the other one (the one controlling my AHL team) on vacation. Now when I try to start the game a message on yellow background shows up briefly and then the return from vacation window opens on it and the game freezes completely. I can't select Yes or No, or even close the window.

[mike_B]

I was finally able to hit printscreen while that message was displayed and it says: "Welcome to your managerial home screen. From here you can quickly access the key areas of the game and get a quick overview on important information."

So this is some kind of a welcome message for a gm, which now stays under the "return from vacation"-window and there's nothing I can do.

[CeeBee]

Did you check if tutorials are turned on in the preference screen? The last update changed a bunch of my settings including turning on the tutorials.

[mike_B]

Did you check if tutorials are turned on in the preference screen? The last update changed a bunch of my settings including turning on the tutorials.

Thanks, should've thought about that myself...