TBL Retro Rosters 1998/99 (Discussion & correction thread)

[jossc]

oh I see

what a shame theres a lot of effort gone into those rosters clearly, lets hope an update comes along soon

[Primis]

If you install the 90's facepack..... some of these mugshots are so incredibly 90's. It's truly amazing.

[Anch]

It's absolutely great to have this updated for EHM 1, thanks a lot for all your hard work!

One question: What's the reasoning behind including the salary floor and cap?

[ikeifer]

Hey just wondering if Luc Bourdon could be added?

It was saddening when I couldn't find him in the database.

[CJ]

Hey just wondering if Luc Bourdon could be added?

It was saddening when I couldn't find him in the database.

Yes I can add him!

[SeanCasey]

I am wondering about the Winnipeg Jets in the database. They currently have no arena and their city is unknown. Is there any way to fix it?

[nickflyers]

Been running a sim, currently at July 2013

Lots of fun things have happened, also there are unknowns that have a chance at becoming great players(but the known busts *cough* Patrick Stefan *cough* bust and bust HARD) I'll post some interesting history here if people are interested

[nino33]

Been running a sim, currently at July 2013.......I'll post some interesting history here if people are interested

I'm interested! It's nice to have examples of how things play out

[stephpa10]

alright about to give this a try for the 1st time, but got a few questions

1-does the cap go up by year or stays the same? or do you guys changed it with a utility?
2-can someone send me the photo back for 1998 at stephpa10@msn.com the ones that are linked don't work, as all the current players, that would be appreciated
3-i show 30 teams in the NHL but only 27 in the AHL is this correct?

[connormcjesus]

I have a couple of comments on the staff. It seems like every coach/assistant coach has a 'motivating' attribute that's less than 4. Very few of them are green in man management as well.

Another comment is that there are 3 total physios with a physiotherapy attribute that is 20. The ones I could find that would sign with me have physio attributes of 15-16. Is this intentional?

Lastly, there are very few scouts who have JPP and JPA in bright green. I actually like this change, because in other rosters, there seemed to be too many scouts that knew exactly how players projected. Just making sure this is intentional as well.

Thanks for your work!

[nickflyers]

Stanley Cup Winners
1998-99 - Colorado Avalanche over Buffalo
1999-00 - Colorado over Toronto
2000-01 - New York Islanders over St. Louis Blues
2001-02 - Detroit over New Jersey
2002-03 - Calgary Flames over New Jersey
2003-04 - New York Rangers over Phoenix
2004-05 - San Jose Sharks over New Jersey
2005-06 - San Jose Sharks over New York Islanders
2006-07 - Colorado over Buffalo
2007-08 - Vancouver over Tampa Bay
2008-09 - Vancouver over Washington
2009-10 - Carolina over Colorado
2010-11 - Carolina over Columbus
2011-12 - Pittsburgh over Los Angeles
2012-13 - Carolina over Colorado
2013-14 - Vancouver over Islanders
2014-15 - Toronto over Los Angeles
2015-16 - Pittsburgh over Colorado
2016-17 - Philadelphia over Colorado
2017-18 - Toronto over St. Louis

Broken Records
Scott Niedermayer broke Gordie Howe's Most Games played record(1807)
Jagr was 44 Goals away from Wayne Gretzky's Goals scored(860)(Fun Fact: Played every season but two in Pittsburgh)
Brodeur never broke Roy's record



Notable Draft
1999
- Patrik Stefan(1st, Columbus) - Played 135 Games in the NHL scoring 26 Goals, 21 Assists
- Dany Heatley(11th, Ana) - sitting at 420 Goals(Playing with Buffalo), 13 straight 20+ goal seasons
- Panthers drafted Kirill Safronov with pick 17, never even sniffed the NHL locker rooms, played 4 AHL seasons then disappeared to the RSL
- Mark Streit went 182nd and had a very good career, currently playing in Philadelphia

2000
- Marian Gaborik(1st, Minnesota) - Currently playing for the Islanders. 1079GP-504G-416A-920PTS
- King Hank went 2nd to COlumbus who traded him after a few seasons to Colorado
- Rick DiPietro went to Carolina(8th ovr) and actually has had a decent career in CAR, NYR and OTT(261-277, 2.84GAA, 88.9SV%)

2001
- Stephen Weiss(CBJ) went 1st Overall to Columbus and has scored 965 Points in 1169 games,
- Kovalchuk went 11th to Buffalo where he's spent his entire career, scoring 25+ goals a season his entire career(15 seasons).
- Alexander Svitov went 12th overall(NSH) and BUSTED HARD
- Rinne(TB), Plekanec(BOS), Mikko Koivu(MIN)(Not an all-star career) and Duncan Keith(VAN) rounded out the top 5
- Derek Roy was a career AHLer, as was Brooks Laich

2002
- Mark Giordano was the 1st selection(BOS), follower by Steen(MIN), Parise(CBJ), Bouwmeester(CAR) and Lupul(CHI), all had great careers.
- Filppula and Jonathan Ericsson were the notable busts
- An unknown, Garnet Harris was the top scorer out of the 2002 group and his PA/CA ended up being a 194
- Real Players that Busted: Mark Stuart, Matt Moulson, Max Talbot, Jummy Howard, David Clarkson, Daniel Paille
- Frans Nielsen nearly put up 1000 and could reach that mark
- No late round surprises

2003
- Patrice Bergeron(CBJ), E.Staal(MIN), Getzlaf(VAN), Perry(NSH) and Weber(TOR) were the top 5 picks. Staal is almost at 500 goals
- Ryan Callahan and Marc-Andre Fleury were 1st round busts!
- Joey Fleming and Sean Yeo were the unknowns who became great!
- Notable Busts: Coburn, Horton, Goligoski, Zherdev, Booth, M.Lapierre
- No late round surprises

2004
- C.Schneider(CBJ), D.Dubnyk(WPG), D.Desharnais(CHI), D.Boyd(VAN) and E.Malkin(TOR) were the top 5
- Scneider and Dubnyk had excellent careers. Desharnais and Boyd...not so much
- Malkin has only put up 688 points in 932 games
- Ovechkin went 9th to Philadelphia(400 goals in 1011 games)(CA: 178)
- 1st Round Busts: Andrew Ladd, Matt Read, V.Stalberg, D.Stafford, T.Kennedy
- 1st Round Unknown: Mike Monardo(LD/RD) put up 499 Points and was a +119
- Other busts: Paul Stastny, B.Wheeler, Smid, Emelin, A.MacDonald, Versteeg

2005
- The Draft everyone was waiting for: Tampa Bay won the lottery and selected Sidney Crosby. Price(TOR), Niskanen(WPG), M.Staal(CHI), and K.Letang(WSH) were 2-5.
- Crosby(PA: 181) has put up 787 points in 969 games with Tampa Bay, Chicago and Montreal(Currently 31 years old)
- Notable 1st Round Busts: Leo Komarov(8th), Niclas Bergfors(24th), Trevor Lewis(25th), Adam McQuaid(29)
- Unknowns: Calvin Richardson(LD)(498 Points, +45), Pierre-Claude Gabison(750+ NHL Games)
- Notable Busts: Cody Franson, Martin Hanzal, Jack Johnson, Nathan Gerbe

2006
- Claude Giroux(VAN), Bryan Little(TB), Jonathan Toews(WPG), David Perron(CBJ) and Jordan Staal(NSH) were 1-5
- Giroux has put up 888 points in 916 games(CA: 175), the rest of the top 5 have had very good careers.
- Notable Busts: Michael Frolik
- Unknowns: Jori Lehtera(573 points in 851 NHL games), Dmititri Alexeyev(455/796), Jordan McKay(473/740), Graham Georges(528/680)
- Notable Busts: Marhcand, Shawn Matthias, Varlamov, Anisimov, Bernier, Erik Johnson, Clutterbuck, Lack, Wingels, Hagelin, Steve Mason

2007
- Subban(FLA), Kane(CAR), Stirling Frederick?(EDM)(176PA), J.Muzzin(CBJ), L.Couture(Kings). VERY STRONG DRAFT
- Notable 1st round Busts: Mikael Backlund(30th)
- Unknowns: Gordan Linard, Francesco Sawyer, Christian Hedlund, Bernard Slukynsky, George Arvanitis
- Notable Busts: Lars Eller, Keaton Ellerby

2008
- Stamkos(PHX), Karlsson(FLA), Pietrangelo(PIT), Jake Allen(EDM)(BUST) and TJ Brodie(CHI)
- Doughty went 6th to Nashville
- Notable 1st round busts: Zac Dalpe(9th), Matt Calvert(20th)
- Notable Busts: Boedker, Sbisa, F.Andersen, M.Jones, Colborne, Tyler Myers, J.Gardiner, Jimmy Hayes

2009
-Duchene(ARZ), Tavares(FLA), Richard Denizeau(LA), Hedman(BUF), and J.Josefson(NSH)
- Great players so far.
- Notable 1st Round busts: Brayden Schenn(11th) and Jordan Caron(28th)
- Notable Busts: Nazem Kadri, Andrew Shaw, M.Paajarvi, Chris Kreider, C.de Haan, J.Cowen

2010
- Hall(FLA), Seguin(PIT), Johansen(MTL), Riley Sheahan(CGY) and C.Fowler(NSH)
- Early but no real 1st Round busts
- Mikael Granlund busted hard
- Kuznetsov went 43rd but has become solid

2011
- Scheifele(SJ), V.Rask(ANA)(BUST), R.Krykov(STL), J.Huberdeau(WSH), D.Hamilton(MTL)
- John Gibson(Won Cup with Philly)
- Trocheck went 113, but is a great player

2012
- M.Rielly(ANA), E.Jones(CGY)(BUST), Esa Lindell(TB), Carle Wallin(EDM), T.Teravainen(CBJ)
- Yakupov went 31st

2013
- Drouin(ANA), Monahan(CBJ), MacKinnon(OTT), S.Jones(MTL), Ristolainen(EDM)
- Busts: Jacob de La Rose, Frederik Gauthier

2014
- Ekblad(BOS), Juho Lammikko(MIN), S.Reinhart(PHX), B.Perlini(ANA), M.Smithson(CBJ)
-Busts: D.Pastrnak, Travis Sanheim,

2015
- M.Marner(ANA), Mason Lavigne(CGY), B.Perry(BOS), aaad Niklasson(OTT), D.Strome(NJ)
- Connor went 10th Overall to Minnesota (PA 173)
- BUSTS: Kyle Connor, Timo Meier
- Late round surprises seem to be happening

2016
Time for the REALLY BIG SURPRISE
- Erik Hovland(CHI), Pierre-Luc Dubois(SJ), Mark Brown(TB), Patrik Laine(NYI) and Logan Brown(DET)
- Puljujarvi went 8th to Ottawa
- The Man everyone wants to know where he ended up: Austin Matthews somehow went all the way to Pick 46 before he was selected. Crazy thing is his PA IS 196!!!!!!!!!

2017
Nolan Patrick went 1st overall to the Isles and Gabe Vilardi went to Chicago.

HALL OF FAME
Few surprises: Mike York(843 points in 1287 games), Jonathan Cheechoo(823 in 1230), Janne Niinimaa, Oleg Tverdovsky, Sheldon Souray, Derek Morris, Marc Savard, Tom Poti, Kyle McLaren, Todd Bertuzzi(LOL), Pavol Demitra(RIP), Derian Hatcher, Vaclav Prospal, Sami Kapanen, Valeri Bure, Patrice Brisebois, Jeff Friesen, Sami Salo, Boris Mironov, Michael Peca, Dmitry Yushkevich, Mikael Renberg, Keith Primeau, Dan McGillis, Slava Kozlav, Rod "The Bod" Brind'Amour, Eric Desjardins(WOOT), Felix the Cat, John LeClair(THE WHOLE LEGION OF DOOM!!!!), Sean Burke


Things I've noticed:
-Head Coaches are lacking in terms of skills(LOTS OF RATINGS Below 10), Head Coaches move up to GM position, but there aren't many A.Coaches that are up to snuff for Head Coaching. Assitant coaches are ok...not a lot of 17+ in the C.Fwd/C.Def/C.G attributes
- Scouting is fine(I have 77 pages worth of scouts to work with. Majority of the NHL Level scouts are 15+ in at least one of the key ratings
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Overall REally awesome DB! Love seeing the difference between this and the real world. Seeing stars from the pasts bust and no names turn into stars is pretty neat

[Beukeboom]

This DB is the best thing since sliced bread, its not just names and Dates but a nearly perfectly balanced new world that gives EHm a whole new Level of fun and realism. This DB is so good it actually makes the game in itself work better by doing the little things like level of talent with players and especially staff on a perfectly balanced and competitve level . Gone are the times when you had a perfect staff memebr in every category, while still theres enough around to not starve ut have to compete. Opposed to recent complaints the scoring especially for the timeline also seems perfect. Everything just seems so balanced and real it gav eme back joy for the game again, and when i comare it to my save with the modern DB its so much more fun because the Players seem more unique in their skillset. Ist not perfect but darn close to it. Thanks for everyone involved and it would really be a big loss if Nino abandoned work , but it would be definately leaving on the absolute pinnacle of his work. I think seeing this work its a huge loss for the community. Seeing his recent posts and really feeling his stress it really might be the best for him , this is legendary but not worth risking ones health, and i think he really needs time for himself to maybe come back later better than ever, This already is such a legacy , one to be proud of truly as it is. Sorry i know i cant find the right words to really Show how much i appreciate this DB and how blown away i was how good it really is. The few tweaks in the new patch and this awesoem work made EHM so much fun again and move it closer to perfection. The few shortcomings it still has only show because of the Overall Quality that makes perfection nearly seem reachable. Really love how overworked trade AI and the lovely balanced DB Play Hand in Hand to make this the best EHM experience ever. Just imagine this with actually the last atm not to overcome shortcomings like the too many teams in the league for that time etc solved...but no...it is awesome and something to be so grateful for as it is.

Just to nitpick becuas eyou always can somehow goalie Talent seems to be a little of abundance , i dont know if it is just correct for the time, but i get top golaies like Hebert , Snow etc waived all over the place, maybe ist just a code thign where AI just doesnt value what they bring in comparison to their salary ,but maybe there woudl be a way to deal with it by downgrading overall talent a bit , but what do I know...surely nothing that ruins this awesoem experienc ein any way...but as i said when you are so Close to perfection you maybe encourage nitpicking a bit even

[CJ]

I am wondering about the Winnipeg Jets in the database. They currently have no arena and their city is unknown. Is there any way to fix it?

Yes, I'll fix it for the next update.

also there are unknowns that have a chance at becoming great players

After players retire the game creates "newgens".

alright about to give this a try for the 1st time, but got a few questions

1-does the cap go up by year or stays the same? or do you guys changed it with a utility?
2-can someone send me the photo back for 1998 at stephpa10@msn.com the ones that are linked don't work, as all the current players, that would be appreciated
3-i show 30 teams in the NHL but only 27 in the AHL is this correct?

1. It's not possible to have a cap that rises. The cap is located in "transfer_rules_config" within the database folder. I have the CAP set at zero, which should erase the cap but somehow there's a cap in-game still?!
3. We can't change the amount of teams in a league. So we had to improvise and make other affiliates for a few NHL teams (as there was only 27 NHL team at the time also). We had to add WIN, MIN and CBJ for this to work.
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Asher413: I started to fix the errors you mentioned. Moved Nedved and added him on a leave like Pavel Bure as they both refused to play for their team. And then PIT as his disliked team. We will for sure not sign with them again, as Pavel never has in the game also.

I noticed the SJ 2nd rounder to DET was there in 2000 draft. But I changed it to 1999 now. (glad I noticed it so the wouldn't lose to 2nds)

As the game starts in the game by default September the 3rd. That's the date we look at (when looking at trades and who belong to who)

The Chris Terreri deal (August 25, 1998) has him on New Jersey, but Chicago should have received a 2nd rounder in '99 (it was conditional at trade time, not sure what your policy was on that).

We just have to settle on something. Isn't 63rd pick a third round?

It's absolutely great to have this updated for EHM 1, thanks a lot for all your hard work!

One question: What's the reasoning behind including the salary floor and cap?

Read above what I wrote to SeanCasey.
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Thanks to the rest for your kind words!

[Stormsky]

For the salary cap and floor, the transfer_rules_config needs to say "SALARY_CAP" instead of just "CAP" for it to work. Same with "FLOOR." This way if you set it to zero you can get rid of the cap/floor.

I only loaded the database and looked around for 10 minutes, but it seems both Brian Burke and Marc Crawford are missing? Burke should be the Canucks GM and Crawford should be a free agent (he was on HNIC at the start of the season).

There also seem to be a few random mistakes in the staff list. Someone names "Wally xxx"? And "Carlo a"?

Also in the player list: "Bastian 1" and "Kai 1".

This is a phenomenal work you guys did. Thank you so much!


EDIT: A few more minor mistakes:

SJS have two instances of Greg Jamison as President. Larry Pleau is both President and General Manager of STL(not sure if intentional).

[CJ]

For the salary cap and floor, the transfer_rules_config needs to say "SALARY_CAP" instead of just "CAP" for it to work. Same with "FLOOR." This way if you set it to zero you can get rid of the cap/floor.

I only loaded the database and looked around for 10 minutes, but it seems both Brian Burke and Marc Crawford are missing? Burke should be the Canucks GM and Crawford should be a free agent (he was on HNIC at the start of the season).

There also seem to be a few random mistakes in the staff list. Someone names "Wally xxx"? And "Carlo a"?

Also in the player list: "Bastian 1" and "Kai 1".

This is a phenomenal work you guys did. Thank you so much!

EDIT: A few more minor mistakes:

SJS have two instances of Greg Jamison as President. Larry Pleau is both President and General Manager of STL(not sure if intentional).

OMG! I have no idea where this .cfg has come from and why it's different (maybe it was like that before?!). But thanks I will fix that for the next release.
And those who reads this can change it themselves. (requires a new save though)

I'll add those two.

Those weird names I'm aware about. The game can create players with last name's like "1" and "a" etc. I'm trying to find out how to remove those names from the name generator/database.

We haven't had the time required to take a closer look at the staff YET.

[Stormsky]

Happy to help. I just changed the config, and yeah, it works fine. Have to re-import the database thought.

I am going to play as the Wings for a little while and let you know if anything funny comes up. I do not have a ton of time to do research, but if you need help looking into something specific, like staff for a specific team or something, shoot me a PM. This is really a great project and I am so glad it got done. (Now if only we had a better 2006 database...)

[Manimal]

Those weird names I'm aware about. The game can create players with last name's like "1" and "a" etc. I'm trying to find out how to remove those names from the name generator/database.

First make sure nobody in the db has those names. Then in the pre-game editor, click on tools and "allow editing of Forenames/Surnames" and then edit the namesets to something more generic like Smith (depending on nationality of the name) AFAIK, we cannot remove forenames/surnames.

[Asher413]

Asher413: I started to fix the errors you mentioned. Moved Nedved and added him on a leave like Pavel Bure as they both refused to play for their team. And then PIT as his disliked team. We will for sure not sign with them again, as Pavel never has in the game also.

Great to hear, it give me a better chance as a Penguins fan to try and stop the financially motivated destruction of the team that started in '98
I did not find any other draft related errors! As has been said before (as someone who still hasn't finished the NHL in 4 years on a 1972 DB...) this is a lot of work and I for one appreciate it, and hope I can help make it better.

I noticed the SJ 2nd rounder to DET was there in 2000 draft. But I changed it to 1999 now. (glad I noticed it so the wouldn't lose to 2nds)

As the game starts in the game by default September the 3rd. That's the date we look at (when looking at trades and who belong to who)

The Chris Terreri deal (August 25, 1998) has him on New Jersey, but Chicago should have received a 2nd rounder in '99 (it was conditional at trade time, not sure what your policy was on that).

We just have to settle on something. Isn't 63rd pick a third round?

Back in the 90's, teams received extra picks for lost free agents or not signing draft picks. In '99, the first pick of the 3rd round was #67 because of that. It's actually quite the list of players that garnered extra 2nd rounders that year: Nick Boyton, Hull, CuJo, Gilmour, Zultek, Richter, Francis, Krupp and Steve Duchesene.
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Thanks to the rest for your kind words!

Thanks again, this was the middle of my strongest hockey knowledge (old enough to really watch, young enough to not have real responsibilities) so it's a huge trip back down memory lane!

[CJ]

First make sure nobody in the db has those names. Then in the pre-game editor, click on tools and "allow editing of Forenames/Surnames" and then edit the namesets to something more generic like Smith (depending on nationality of the name) AFAIK, we cannot remove forenames/surnames.

I asked archie about that already. He gave me the the same answer. I'll have to edit all those weird names in the database though. There's two with the last name of "1" and then a few "aaaa"
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Asher413:
Anything you find just report it here. We wanna make it as accurate as possible.

Back in the 90's, teams received extra picks for lost free agents or not signing draft picks. In '99, the first pick of the 3rd round was #67 because of that. It's actually quite the list of players that garnered extra 2nd rounders that year: Nick Boyton, Hull, CuJo, Gilmour, Zultek, Richter, Francis, Krupp and Steve Duchesene.

That's interesting, I didn't know/remember that.
(forgive me I was only 13 at the time )
Well it makes sense that they removed that rule then. You could tactically get rid of a non-wanted player and get a 2nd round pick?!

[weber6]

I downloaded through steam, so it doesn't include the facepacks + logo packs and stuff? It just comes with action pics of most guys not their actual head shot. Any way to get everything?

[CJ]

I downloaded through steam, so it doesn't include the facepacks + logo packs and stuff? It just comes with action pics of most guys not their actual head shot. Any way to get everything?

Here you have all add-ons I've made so far:
http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 16&t=13516

[Primis]

Please leave Minny, Winny, and Cbus as-is, basically bereft of anything.

I'm having TONS Of fun playing as Columbus with basically nothing to start with! Season 2 I'm pushing for a playoff spot. Don't know if I'l make it, but...

[ClassicSwarley]

I'm having TONS Of fun playing as Columbus with basically nothing to start with! Season 2 I'm pushing for a playoff spot. Don't know if I'l make it, but...

The Blue Jackets are on the same level as the Jets in the first season- Only 3(!) wins in 49 games so far

[CJ]

Please leave Minny, Winny, and Cbus as-is, basically bereft of anything.

I'm having TONS Of fun playing as Columbus with basically nothing to start with! Season 2 I'm pushing for a playoff spot. Don't know if I'l make it, but...

Yeah I started with Winnipeg a season (changed their name though just for the fun of it). I'm soon starting season 2. I signed J.Nieuwendyk, M.Peca, M.Schneider and a lot European players.. Drafted as 2nd and picked Daniel Sedin. I think I got 8 wins the first season?!

[Peter_Doherty]

How do you pick one Sedin? My OCD would kill me