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thunderbug · Post by **thunderbug** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:59 pm

Meh I think Tampa would be better. Just because you are in the fire to begin with salarywise

jdh79 · Post by **jdh79** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:30 am

The problem with Tampa is I think it would be almost too easy. Trade 2 of the big 3 away to get quantity and cheaper depth, take 1 of them as a core player, and stack the rest with cheaper guys. They don't really have a lot of high value contracts aside from them.

Post by **batdad** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:43 am

When we get around to thinking about the next challenge, which will not be at least until sometime after Xmas, we will post a poll with a few teams just as we have done in the past.

All teams have good things about them for challenges, and bad things..

We will also be reviewing the rules (THE MODS WILL) and decide if there are other things we need to do to:

1. Make the challenges more interesting yet.
2. Make em harder, and make sure that it has some element of flexibility.

NOTE: May not be me reviewing and adding/changing rules, but the mods will as a grouip.

So right now..not going to worry about teams...lots of other things to do first.

thunderbug · Post by **thunderbug** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:30 am

ahh if we do end up with Tampa or Atlanta we won't have the usual salary dump since they are in the division that could be one way of taking that away without an expressed rule against it.

Post by **Shadd666** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:01 am

As Batdad said, you'll have to wait a bit before the next challenge. Reason is simple: the current one is a 7 seasons challenge, and we just crossed the deadline of end of season 3, so there are still 4 seasons to be played.

Btw, even if it's effectively too late to join the current challenge, nothing prevents you to start a game with the Hawks and play within the challenge rules for practice

It's a fun team to manage, with many talented prospects and some obvious holes to be filled with tight budget. Really interesting indeed

jdh79 · Post by **jdh79** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:06 pm

If you want a really difficult challenge, use the TBL updated rosters Predators. You start with no goalie, no defense, no prospects and a bunch of aging 2nd-3rd line type forwards, plus a default budget that's 15 M below the cap.

Post by **Lidas** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:21 am

An idea to make it more difficult would be to put a limit on new players acquired per season (UFA signings, trades, and waivers). When I play, I cap myself on 5 new players per season, and only 3 of these before the christmas trade-freeze. Im not counting my own unsigned prospects towards this limit.

Running something like this does not only increase the difficulty, but it will also give a better feeling for the team, as you keep most of the original players - similar to the core players used in the current challenge.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:15 pm

That's kind of what we were trying to do with the last set of rule. By instituting the "core" and only allowing 2 UFA signings per year, we were trying to keep people from trading out their whole team and forcing them to try to develop their prospects with the "homegrowns". Maybe steps need to be taken to further restrict team turnover?

corinthian · Post by **corinthian** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:19 pm

Another thing to increase difficulty: you must draft a golie (1st or 2nd season) and make him a HG (plus all HG must be drafted by you) on 3rd season or 4th season with time on ice requirements.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:21 pm

There are only one or two goalies in those first couple drafts that would even make decent AHL goalies. There really doesn't seem to be too many goalies until the regens start popping up.

thunderbug · Post by **thunderbug** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:15 pm

Bruins, just an excuse to justify going after hasek regen

Post by **batdad** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:14 am

Yeah, I do not think we should force anyone to draft anyone...any more than we already have by making you use your 1st and 2nd rounders. Tightening up the core, and making the Homegrown even more homegrown are interesting thoughts though.

jdh79 · Post by **jdh79** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:44 am

You may want to look at having different core requirements depending on the team that you are using for the challenge. For example, if you take a team like the Panthers, they are loaded with lots of good players to use as core guys so you would want to increase the requirements, but if you take a team with a lot of high priced and older guys or a lack of talent in general, you may want reduced requirements.

Hypnotist · Post by **Hypnotist** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:44 pm

Question on stats reporting:

Player A is your top +/- guy at the end of segment 1. He leaves the team prior to the end of segment 2 but still leads the team in +/-. Player B takes over the +/- lead at the end of segment 3 but suffers a terrible lapse in defense and at the end of segment 4, Player A is once again the top +/- player for your team in that year.

Question 1: Do you report Player A as the top +/- performer at the end of segment 2 or the highest +/- performer who is still on the roster.

Question 2: Again, do you report Player A as the top +/- performer at the end of segment 4 or the highest +/- performer who is still on the roster.

Post by **batdad** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:57 pm

Highest still on the roster. Stats for guys moved do not count in the NHL challenges anyway.

Hypnotist · Post by **Hypnotist** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:28 pm

Even if Player A played part of Segment 2, you still wouldn't use his stats?

Post by **batdad** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:41 pm

Not on the roster at stats time, not on the stats. Period.

In the team stats page on the left side for team players, it will not show the guys you have moved to somewhere else. At least for NHL. This is where the stats are to come from. And are the stats to post.

Hypnotist · Post by **Hypnotist** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:00 am

I think that is kind of odd. I'm asking these questions in relation to the ECHL challenge. I lost my leading offensive player to the St. Louis Blues at game 35. What you are saying effectively wipes out an entire segment of production for my best player. Not because I traded him, but because he signed a higher level contract that I was powerless to stop. Seems kind of unfair.

Post by **batdad** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:39 am

Oh well such is life. If you play by official challenge rules for your unofficial challenge that is the way it is.

A big but though is this, and what I have said in my answers to you above:

In the official TBL NHL challenges we play by the rules I explained above. Your unofficial challenge can be run any way you want to. it is not an official TBL challenge you ar running. Your challenge, not ours. In the NHL challenges, the reason guys go away is because you move them purposely, so we do not count their stats if they are not on your roster. B72 and I have both moved our top scorers in the past, and it has hurt our challenge results. Such is life.

As for your unofficial challenge, it is up to you and the guys who play it what you do. You asked a question, I answered it. Calling it odd because you do not agree with it, makes no sense to me at all.

IMO: This is the reason it is difficult to do a challenge in a non-NHL league. So many things can happen, in so many different ways. My guess: Virtually everyone will lose their top scorers if they are any decent in your challenge, because higher leagues will always come a calling for those guys. So should be fair anyway even if you don't use the top guy who got moved.

But again, your challenge, so up to you and the guys who are playing it.

Hypnotist · Post by **Hypnotist** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:46 am

batdad wrote:Oh well such is life...

Your compassion is overwhelming.

This could still happen in an NHL challenge with an injury & retirement.

Post by **batdad** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:17 pm

And the stats would not count. Life goes on.

And no I don't have compassion here. You are not sick or dying, and if you were and I knew it I would have compassion. You asked a question about a darn video game. I gave the answer, you did not like the answer. NOT MY PROBLEM. In the TBL challenges if the guy gets hurt and retires, His stats don't count either. Just the way it goes. Is part of the game.

You can choose to play official challenge or not, that is the rule in our official ones. Since you have your own set of rules in unofficial challenge do whatever the hell you want.

As for your challenges, since you don't like this rule of the official ones...which will NOT be changed as far as I know you can do whatever the heck you and your players want. But don't ask the question, get an answer and the argue the answer over and over. It is not that my answer is wrong, cause it is what we do. It is that you did not like it.

You ask what we do. I told you what we do. Not lying, not making it up, no basis for opinion on what the answer is --- IT Is the answer. We do not count players out of the organization's stats. There is no basis to argue it.

In short, I don't care. I have no compassion. I am odd. You do what you want.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:02 pm

If you follow the stats recording directions from the challenge rules correctly, you'll see that players who have moved from the team don't enter the equation at all. You're supposed to go to the statistics screen for your team and enter the top player in each category. If a player has been removed from the team in between segments (even if he played part of a segment with your team), he's no longer on that screen. You would have to actually go looking for that player on his new team, then go to his career stats and look at what he had while with your team. That's seriously over-complicating things. Why would we do it that way? Sure, it sucks to lose the stats of a top player (trust me, I've done it several times) but that's the way it work. If you want to avoid that, only trade top players during the off-season. Then you won't lose their stats.

Post by **batdad** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:47 am

Okay folks. We are close to getting to the Phoenix Challenge 10.0. IN the next few days all kinds of new things will be unleashed.

Questions about rules or anything to do with the challenge go in this thread only. I have locked many of the old ones.

A Challenge 10 discussion thread will be created in the next day or two, and we will unleash the rules soon as well.

Remember challenge questions here please.

Loosie · Post by **Loosie** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:17 pm

2 questions here, I may have read them in the rules, and they may be posted, but there is a lot of information.

I know that we have to coach the games ourselves, but do we have to run practice ourselves as well?

Also we have until opening day to name our core roster correct?

Post by **batdad** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:19 pm

Games yes. Practices are up to you.

Yes..Opening day of the regular season to name the core.