Official NHL 2012 Off-Season & Lockout Thread

[nino33]

IMO there is some nice idea in it

I agree...

but the players will never accept

It is unlikely...

[philou21]

[McQwak]

It's just beginning of negotiation. Both sides must start with high demands... Be patient, philou

[philou21]

It's not a question of been patient or not I think. When the players gonna make their offers, this will be as high as what the NHL is asking and then both side like crybabies will be like "OMG this is not fair and blablabla." And then they will stop talking.

[Jypfan92]

Shea Weber signs with Flyers. 14-year-contract (?!?) is worth 110 millions plus 68 millions (?!?) by potential bonuses

Will Preds made better offer?

[philou21]

I hate the Flyers os much right now. What a bunch of a-hole. I don't know if NSH can keep up with that. I hope they will match the Flyers deal. Without Weber NSH is gonna have a bad time next season.

[Manimal]

Will Preds made better offer?

Thay can't offer anything else. Weber chose that deal. The Preds have to match or loose him(thus getting some picks)

[Jypfan92]

Preds are 14 mills below capfloor, so it's not about money to sign Weber. That's the thing they really should do.

If Weber wears Flyers jersey next season, does that mean they will keep Pronger IR until 2017? I don't think they will trade Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros, Schenn and Grossman out.

[Primis]

Preds are 14 mills below capfloor, so it's not about money to sign Weber. That's the thing they really should do.

If Weber wears Flyers jersey next season, does that mean they will keep Pronger IR until 2017? I don't think they will trade Timonen, Coburn, Meszaros, Schenn and Grossman out.

If NAS lets Weber go, PHI will have 6 d-men on roster each making over $3.5m/yr... and that's not counting Pronger's $4.5m/yr (which would make it SEVEN). Sanity dictates that a d-man or two has to go. Before Weber even, the Flyers have $28m committed to defense, and only $27m to forwards... with Voracek still a RFA left to sign. My guess is they ship out Lilja, and then one of Timonen or Meszaros, depending on what makeup they want. Schenn is staying, I think they like Coburn an awful to still, and I think they like Grossman.

People are saying PHI would trade some of those d-men back to NAS in exchange for 1 or two of those 1sts... but that's not a given, considering the d-man market at the moment. Teams that were a player for Weber would be a player for Timonen or Meszaros as well.

As for Pronger... I think Philly is stuck with him. His cap hit is guaranteed for a +35 contract, his game has greatly degraded, and even at $4.5m/yr it's too big of a risk for teams especially not knowing what the new CBA will be. PHI needs to hope and pray he comes back and can at least be a warm body for a couple of years...

I really don't get what PHI is doing here. They seem to have serious impulse issues. If I'm a Flyers fan I'm starting to be horrified at the fact the turnstile in net has become a revolving door for the rest of the roster as well.


EDIT: As far as Weber himself, his signing the offer sheet indicates to me he's gone, one way or another. Either NAS matches, they're stuck together for a year, and Weber then pulls a Nash and demands a trade... or they can take the four 1sts now and call it good, and just be done with it. Either way, Weber has signaled he is not planning on staying in NAS without Suter.

[Manimal]

With the Flyers signing Weber, I think it means Pronger is done. He would retire if it wasn't for the 35+ issue with the cap

[B. Stinson]

If I'm a Flyers fan I'm starting to be horrified...

Starting?

[nino33]

I've been a Flyer fan since 1976, and I've been "horrified" since the Lindros era!...

[Jypfan92]

Don't know which topic I should write this, but Saku Koivu will serve as an Olympic torchbearer before the London Games on July 24.

[philou21]

Kris Versteeg signed a 4 years deal with Florida and Yakupov signed his first NHL deal.

[Primis]

To NYR: Rick Nash, 3rd, minor league d-man.
To CBS: Dubinsky, Erixon, Anisimov, 1st.

Yes folks, this is apparently the deal Howson waited months and months to get. *facepalm*

[philou21]

WHAT?!?!?!?! Holy molly! God I hate the Rangers right now but I can say the same for the bunch of idiots in Columbus.

[Manimal]

Sad to see Dubinsky go as he was a real team player but I am excited to have Rick Nash on the Rangers!

[Loosie]

So the 3rd is conditional on the NYR making the Cup Final. and the minor leaguer d-man is Steven Delisle (who I believe I had playing in the ECHL in the Blue Jackets challenge). Sounds like Delisle was thrown in becuase of the 50 man roster limit.

[nino33]

Last year Nash had 30 goals and 59 points (which was not much different than his previous two years)...last year Dubinsky, Erixon, and Anisimov combined for 26 goals and 70 points! And they're all younger!

I've never really been a Nash fan myself (for almost 8 million a year I expect more points/leadership)...maybe he'll be happier in New York (or maybe the Rangers have another high priced, talented, underperforming player)

[philou21]

I've never really been a Nash fan myself (for almost 8 million a year I expect more points/leadership)..

The fact he got paid that much is probably because they tried at all cost to keep him in Columbus back in the days. Plus, Nash never got someone talented beside him. Even Kovalchuk in Atlanta got Heatley or Savard a couple of years back but Nash? No one. So a couple of 40 goals season all alone there? Not bad to me and with a good center that can put the puck on his stick Nash is gonna be awesome. He is a great powerfoward with awesome hands. I always liked to see him play in the Olympics or World Championship because he is always on fire when he plays with great players.

[Círyatan]

I love Nash, while I am not a huge fan of the Rangers. Disappointed with this trade. But to think that's the return what Howson held out for... well.

[philou21]

Yeah that's kind of weird. Maybe he really wanted to accommodate him so he asked less for him. But still, that's one ulgy trade, almost look like the Kovalchuk one 2 years ago.

[archibalduk]

Sad to see Dubinsky go as he was a real team player but I am excited to have Rick Nash on the Rangers!

Yeah I really liked Dubinsky too. He has a great mentality, but I guess offensively he doesn't really produce as much as others.

I would have thought Columbus could have gotten a bit of a better return for Nash.

[nino33]

With 8 million in salary and Nash publicly proclaiming his wanting a trade, I'm not sure Howson could have done that much better really...when you know the GM "has to" make a trade, you don't offer as much + how many teams want to take on a long term, 8 million dollar a year contract (the Rangers have been taking the big contracts since the 1970s!)...especially right before a new CBA!

I think Luongo's in the same situation...



EDIT – I’m not saying it was a "good trade", nor am I saying that Nash is not an elite player (I’m just not a big fan myself)…but I do think it’s much harder to make a trade nowadays, and the Nash situation was one of the more difficult (public player demands, huge NTC contract to move, expected big return, CBA changing)

[bruins72]

I think this is just a case of Howson "blinking first". He had his big firm demands to start and he held on for quite a while. His resolve broke before the Rangers did. Plus, I know some of the other teams on Nash's list of teams he'd go to weren't interested in paying such a high price. I know that the Bruins made an offer but weren't really in the running. They didn't want to give up so much. The Rangers hung in there and got a deal that they were happy with, while I think Howson just wanted to be done with it finally.