Lidas Rosters 2009/10 - Mistakes/Omissions/Tweaks/Etc

WallyWallcakes · Post by **WallyWallcakes** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:17 pm

visualdarkness wrote:I'm testing to start a game with the Oilers with Hamilton Bulldogs (one of their old ones) and Portland Pirates (stinks this season IRL) as their two AHL affiliates.

Portland sounds like a good one, and Hamilton might be a good fit. As long as you can spread the prospects over two AHL clubs, I don't think it matters too much.

Post by **visualdarkness** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:27 pm

WallyWallcakes wrote:
visualdarkness wrote:I'm testing to start a game with the Oilers with Hamilton Bulldogs (one of their old ones) and Portland Pirates (stinks this season IRL) as their two AHL affiliates.
Portland sounds like a good one, and Hamilton might be a good fit. As long as you can spread the prospects over two AHL clubs, I don't think it matters too much.

Hamilton sadly was way to stacked with talent so I changed them to make it possible for teams to develop goaltending. Should the AHL teams be affiliates to the Oilers echl affiliates? Not as in IRL, but somewhat more realistic?

WallyWallcakes · Post by **WallyWallcakes** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:29 pm

visualdarkness wrote:
WallyWallcakes wrote:
visualdarkness wrote:I'm testing to start a game with the Oilers with Hamilton Bulldogs (one of their old ones) and Portland Pirates (stinks this season IRL) as their two AHL affiliates.
Portland sounds like a good one, and Hamilton might be a good fit. As long as you can spread the prospects over two AHL clubs, I don't think it matters too much.
Hamilton sadly was way to stacked with talent so I changed them to make it possible for teams to develop goaltending. Should the AHL teams be affiliates to the Oilers echl affiliates? Not as in IRL, but somewhat more realistic?

Well, I'm not sure if it's THAT big a deal. As long as there's room to develop prospects properly, I think that's fine.

Post by **visualdarkness** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:31 pm

Syracuse and Portland seems to be perfect fits for the fix. Lidas can check that out, I think he accepts that solution!

lapaz · Post by **lapaz** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:34 pm

I have a few update in Finland: (Sorry my English and some could be already said...)

Players:

Mika Noronen, JYP ---> Free agent
Marc Lamothe, Free agent ---> Pelicans
Golby Genoway, Pardubice ---> Ilves
Ross Lupaschuk, HPK ---> HIFK
Pasi Petriläinen, Ilves ---> Free agent
J.D Forrest, Kärpät ---> Kloten
Juha Alastalo, Kookoo ---> Retired
Antti Boman, Free agent ---> Retired and moved to referee in SM-Liiga
Mikko Kaukokari, Free agent ---> Retired and moved to referee in SM-Liiga
Tero Lehterä, Free agent ---> Retired and moved to coach
Kari Kalto, Free agent ---> Retired and moved to coach in Espoo Blues Jr.
Ismo Kuoppala, Free agent ---> Retired
Olli Ahonen, Free agent ---> Retired
Markku Hurme, Free agent ---> Retired
Tomi Hirvonen, Free agent ---> Retired
Tomi Källarsson, Free agent ---> Retired
Kimmo Salminen, Free agent ---> Retired
Marko Ahosilta, Free agent ---> Retired
Karri Akkanen, Free agent ---> Retired
Saku Kekäläinen, Free agent ---> Retired
Mikko Kankaanperä, Free agent ---> Retired
Petri Varis, Free agent ---> Retired
Teemu Riihijärvi, Free agent ---> Retired

Coaches:

Kari Jalonen, Kärpät --> HIFK (Head coach)
Kai Suikkanen, Hokki --> TPS (Head coach)
Ismo Lehkonen, Jokerit --> KooKoo (Head coach)
Mika Toivola, Free agent --> Pelicans (Head coach)
Heikki Mälkiä, Frederikhavn --> Ilves (Head coach)
Pekka Rautakallio, Free agent --> Ässät (Head coach)
Matti Alatalo, Free agent --> Kärpät (Head coach)

Other:

Espoo Blues has changed arena name to Barona Areena
Steve Kariya, lw ---> rw (Because JYP has only 1 rw)
Ossi Louhivaara, lw ---> rw (Because JYP has only 1 rw)

And thanks for nice rosters...

Hensel · Post by **Hensel** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:59 pm

Systemfel wrote:Hey, check this out. A friend of mine is using the 2.0, and apparently, Adam Deadmarsh somehow came out of retirement. I know that he is set as a non-player in the db, so it's obviously a pretty strange occurance.

http://www.zshare.net/image/68320167101dda71/

Edit: He did a fantasy draft, by the way. All the other guys (Housley etc) retired, though.

If you look in the bottom left hand corner of the screen you can see hes listening to Christina Aguleria...that gave me a laugh,

jays_leafs4life · Post by **jays_leafs4life** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:11 pm

A small fix but Eric Knodel, Leafs prospect actually plays for Des Moines of the USHL and not for Philadelphia.

Jypfan92 wrote:i have idea to fix that. you have to edit their career stats, and like i said before, edit draft years (check page 2 or 3). THAT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK (!).

For example, scored 33+70 in 2008-2009 (in real life). start of the game is 2006-2007 so you have to edit that real life's stats 3 years after (in db 2009-2010). So Crosby should be drafted 1st in 2002 draft (in real life he is drafted 2005).

So his stats could be:
-2003 in CHL
2003-04 81 games 39 goals +63 assists (in real life this is season 2005-06)
2004-05 79 36+84 (2006-07)
2005-06 53 24+48 (2007-08)
2006-07 77 33+70 (2008-09)

And these stats should be edited again to every new db! Or why not to every 3rd (for example) cause like i said before, there's a lot of work.

Hmm I always thought it would be a good idea but would sooooo time consuming. It kind of sucks losing 3 years of a players career with no stats to show which makes it harder to break some records. Also the amount of rookies in the 1st year would be cut down.

markiemark66 · Post by **markiemark66** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:42 pm

Can someone tell me again why everything is set back a few years for the Lidas dbs?

axwel3221 · Post by **axwel3221** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:43 pm

Hensel wrote:
Systemfel wrote:Hey, check this out. A friend of mine is using the 2.0, and apparently, Adam Deadmarsh somehow came out of retirement. I know that he is set as a non-player in the db, so it's obviously a pretty strange occurance.

http://www.zshare.net/image/68320167101dda71/

Edit: He did a fantasy draft, by the way. All the other guys (Housley etc) retired, though.
you can see hes listening to Christina Aguleria...that gave me a laugh,

I found that too, but I didn't find that so funny though

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:48 pm

markiemark66 wrote:Can someone tell me again why everything is set back a few years for the Lidas dbs?

Because EHM has a hard-coded start date of 2006. If he didn't change people's birthdates to make them older, some players would still be starting in junior hockey when they're actually playing in the NHL. Also, players like Forsberg would never get old and their physical abilities wouldn't deteriorate. Basically, we'd be stuck in the 06-07 season. By rolling back the birthdates, we get to play as if it were the 09-10 season but the date in the game says it's 2006.

markiemark66 · Post by **markiemark66** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:57 pm

I believe I understand. So no matter what year it is irl, we get to play like it was that year. Not as big of a deal in 2009 as it will be in 2015? The reason I questioned it is the loss of records of three years, that seems like a big deal to me but not big enough to input all that myself. Thanks.

Post by **Lidas** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:55 pm

Jypfan92 wrote:i have idea to fix that. you have to edit their career stats, and like i said before, edit draft years (check page 2 or 3). THAT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK (!).

For example, scored 33+70 in 2008-2009 (in real life). start of the game is 2006-2007 so you have to edit that real life's stats 3 years after (in db 2009-2010). So Crosby should be drafted 1st in 2002 draft (in real life he is drafted 2005).

So his stats could be:
-2003 in CHL
2003-04 81 games 39 goals +63 assists (in real life this is season 2005-06)
2004-05 79 36+84 (2006-07)
2005-06 53 24+48 (2007-08)
2006-07 77 33+70 (2008-09)

And these stats should be edited again to every new db! Or why not to every 3rd (for example) cause like i said before, there's a lot of work.

As much as I want the players to have correct history, I doubt that I'll ever do it. It's just too time-consuming, and Id rather spend that time on rosters and abilities.

Canuckk · Post by **Canuckk** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:00 pm

Another thing that I think needs to be adjusted is the player budget limit for each NHL team. As of right now, I think it's somewhat realistic to see Phoenix, NYI and Nashville spending right up to the cap, which I have seen already. Some teams have abnormally high budgets given their ownership and market size, while others are somewhat low. Teams like Atlanta, Florida and Tampa Bay should not be given higher budgets then Vancouver, Toronto and Edmonton. I think these should all be adjusted to reflect the amount of money an owner is willing to spend on a team, whether they are successful or not. Sure, Tampa Bay may have won a Cup a few years ago, but that doesn't make them a team that will spend more then Toronto, arguably the NHL's biggest market that is willing to spend right to the cap even if the team is playing at a mediocre level on a consistent basis.

I think this is really something to consider, as changing it would better reflect how teams strategize and spend their money in the game.

Post by **Lidas** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:01 pm

visualdarkness wrote:I'll join the choir, Oilers farming needs a solution! They have really become unplayable.

Denis Grebeshkov should get a offensive boost (he got a sniping wrister I tell you), and his defensive game for sure is worse than his skills in the DB tells.
Pääjärvi-Svensson should get his name inverted like people already said and he is a bit on the slow side (although I don't know if you made it that way because he's young).
Chris Minard is a AHL star-player just below NHL-level who the Oilers signed to lead at Springfield, he's in need of a boost.
Anything lower than 20 in aggressiveness for Matt Nickerson is too low. Teams won't sign him bacause of his temper and aggression, he's a real problemchild.

Errors are rare and pretty much covered already, only some subjective tweaking of some players. Good job!

Done

Post by **Lidas** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:04 pm

visualdarkness wrote:
bruins72 wrote: That's a whole lot of editing work. I know for me, I'm less concerned with the draft years and stats than I am the player attributes and potentials. I just wonder if it would even be possible to get that much done. Look at home many hours Lidas has spent editing what he has for this database. If he were to do player histories/stats, you could probably double (or more) the amount of hours it would require.
Agreed, that would be too much work to add three years of history, even if you use a script to push the old stats down three years. The only not too impossible solution I can think of is that you edit the last history year of all the false rookies to a nhl team. Still that mean Lidas would have to go through EVERY one of these players and do the change.

I find another tweak for the DB. Pat Quinn has proven he's good with young players and deserve higher stat than 10. Also I can't understand how he can be so much worse than Renney, at the moment you just kick Quinn and make Renney HC.

Did some minor changes to the coaches

Post by **Lidas** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:52 pm

lapaz wrote:I have a few update in Finland: (Sorry my English and some could be already said...)

Players:

Mika Noronen, JYP ---> Free agent
Marc Lamothe, Free agent ---> Pelicans
Golby Genoway, Pardubice ---> Ilves
Ross Lupaschuk, HPK ---> HIFK
Pasi Petriläinen, Ilves ---> Free agent
J.D Forrest, Kärpät ---> Kloten
Juha Alastalo, Kookoo ---> Retired
Antti Boman, Free agent ---> Retired and moved to referee in SM-Liiga
Mikko Kaukokari, Free agent ---> Retired and moved to referee in SM-Liiga
Tero Lehterä, Free agent ---> Retired and moved to coach
Kari Kalto, Free agent ---> Retired and moved to coach in Espoo Blues Jr.
Ismo Kuoppala, Free agent ---> Retired
Olli Ahonen, Free agent ---> Retired
Markku Hurme, Free agent ---> Retired
Tomi Hirvonen, Free agent ---> Retired
Tomi Källarsson, Free agent ---> Retired
Kimmo Salminen, Free agent ---> Retired
Marko Ahosilta, Free agent ---> Retired
Karri Akkanen, Free agent ---> Retired
Saku Kekäläinen, Free agent ---> Retired
Mikko Kankaanperä, Free agent ---> Retired
Petri Varis, Free agent ---> Retired
Teemu Riihijärvi, Free agent ---> Retired

Coaches:

Kari Jalonen, Kärpät --> HIFK (Head coach)
Kai Suikkanen, Hokki --> TPS (Head coach)
Ismo Lehkonen, Jokerit --> KooKoo (Head coach)
Mika Toivola, Free agent --> Pelicans (Head coach)
Heikki Mälkiä, Frederikhavn --> Ilves (Head coach)
Pekka Rautakallio, Free agent --> Ässät (Head coach)
Matti Alatalo, Free agent --> Kärpät (Head coach)

Other:

Espoo Blues has changed arena name to Barona Areena
Steve Kariya, lw ---> rw (Because JYP has only 1 rw)
Ossi Louhivaara, lw ---> rw (Because JYP has only 1 rw)

And thanks for nice rosters...

Thanks!

WallyWallcakes · Post by **WallyWallcakes** » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:53 pm

Not that I'm going to rush a man who already put in so much work...but just a quick question for Lidas: How much are you going to be putting into the 2.1 update before release?

Post by **Lidas** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:24 am

WallyWallcakes wrote:Not that I'm going to rush a man who already put in so much work...but just a quick question for Lidas: How much are you going to be putting into the 2.1 update before release?

Since we'll use for the challenge, probably Sunday.

Post by **getzlaf15** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:36 am

This is originally for NHL10 on Xbox and PS3 but i thought it could be useful to keep a track of player movements in some European leagues.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... owg&gid=14

I believe he updates it daily.

bestrafer7 · Post by **bestrafer7** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:32 am

I sent in my Italian League 09/10 season update.

I will work on the Slovenian leagues next.

tksolway · Post by **tksolway** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:36 am

Lidas wrote:
visualdarkness wrote:I'll join the choir, Oilers farming needs a solution! They have really become unplayable.

Denis Grebeshkov should get a offensive boost (he got a sniping wrister I tell you), and his defensive game for sure is worse than his skills in the DB tells.
Pääjärvi-Svensson should get his name inverted like people already said and he is a bit on the slow side (although I don't know if you made it that way because he's young).
Chris Minard is a AHL star-player just below NHL-level who the Oilers signed to lead at Springfield, he's in need of a boost.
Anything lower than 20 in aggressiveness for Matt Nickerson is too low. Teams won't sign him bacause of his temper and aggression, he's a real problemchild.

Errors are rare and pretty much covered already, only some subjective tweaking of some players. Good job!
Done

Great, did you give the Oil their own affiliation? or do they share two?

bestrafer7 · Post by **bestrafer7** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:38 am

The Detroit Red Wings claimed Drew Miller (F) off waivers from the Lightning today: http://redwings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=505695

The Grand Rapids Griffins signed Paul Crosty (signed to player contract from tryout) and Sebastien Centomo (for a player tryout).

bestrafer7 · Post by **bestrafer7** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:16 am

I want to throw in some "updates" for the Red Wings.

It looks like a few players rights are missing.
- Gennady Stolyarov
- Andrei Maximenko (he is actually missing from the DB)

Adam Almquist:
- The Name should be Adam Almqvist
- Gained weight over the off season and he is now 83kg.
- Adam's potential should be changed to -14. Hakan Andersson said this about Almqvist "If it all came down to hockey sense, he probably would have been a first-round pick. The hockey sense is something else. It's as good as I've seen in many years". He currently leads the SuperElite league with 29 points in just 13 games for the HV71 U-20 team.
- Mental Adjustments - Anticipation (11 to 15), Decisions (11 to 16), Vision (12 to 18)
- Technical Adjustments - Movement (9 to 12), Passing (9 to 14), Slapshot (7 to 10)

Brian Rufenach:
- Name should be Bryan Rufenach

Andrei Maximenko: (Needs to be created) - http://www.redwingscentral.com/prospects/maximenko.php
- Left Wing, Shoots Right
- Drafted 5th Round Pick (149th Overall) in 1999 by the Detroit Red Wings
- Born October 1st, 1981 in Moscow, Russia
- 6'0" and 179lbs
- A good skater who likes to get involved, Maximenko was never able to establish himself as a regular at the Russian Elite League level. He has become a solid player in Russia's second-tier league with Zauralie Kurgan.

Tomas Tatar:
- Potential should be -14, -15. He is another highly regarded player in the Red Wings system. He wasn't expected to even be considered for a contract this season, but was awarded a contract after a stellar rookie camp and training camp.

empach · Post by **empach** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:50 am

It's too bad the pre-game editor wasn't easier to work with for multiple editors. Editing histories would be the prefect kind of thing to have many people editing into a single DB but all but impossible for a single editor.

ehmfans · Post by **ehmfans** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:06 pm

My favorite team is the Canadiens, but Carey Price and Halak are way to overated. And Halak has a low potenciel and Price a to high.

THx for the great work!

I play 6 hours last night