Popomundo - The TBL Punk Scene!

holydogg · Post by **holydogg** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:46 am

Let's try to revive this post a bit

Here in NYU, I've just got a suspicious seeing. A certain woman called Kobe Tai, like a certain coughpornstarcough, is walking naked in the campus. Also, she's registered since 1600+ days..

I think I just saw an Elder!!

Post by **Minstrel** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:00 am

That would be Saint Kobe to you!!!

You should go make your donation at St. Kobe's Cathedral. You are lucky to have been able to see her. She has amazing powers, even sometimes healing poor souls that had taken poisons or voodoo powder and prayed to be saved.

Post by **archibalduk** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:49 am

I have Basic Singing at 3 stars and Lead Vocals at 4 stars. Is there any point in continuing to improve Basic Singing if I'm already proficient at Lead Vocals?

Post by **Minstrel** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:38 am

archibalduk wrote:I have Basic Singing at 3 stars and Lead Vocals at 4 stars. Is there any point in continuing to improve Basic Singing if I'm already proficient at Lead Vocals?

They work together in tandem, so it's best to get both to 5 stars. Any of the double-tiered skills work like that; basic string instruments and guitar for example, you can play guitar but your overall won't be quite as good if you base skills hold you back. If that makes sense...

Post by **archibalduk** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:16 am

Ah I see! Time for me to start working on my Basic Singing and my Basic Woodwind Instruments skills.

Does anyone know how encores work when designing a show? Do I need to instruct my character to leave the stage, then return to the stage and play the encore?

Post by **Shadd666** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:57 am

As far as i know, you have to leave stage, then book your encore, and then leave stage for real. It seems that can have only one song in your encore.

Post by **archibalduk** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:32 am

I tried Leave Stage then play encore and then Leave again. However, everyone left when I first left the stage so I never played the encore

Off topic: Congrats on your 1100th post, Monsieur Shadd

Post by **Shadd666** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:38 am

Thanks Mister Archibalduk!

Did you tick the 'play as encore' box for the song you wanted to play as encore? Sometimes we forget those little things

Post by **archibalduk** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:26 am

De rien

Yeah I ticked the box. I guess I did something else wrong

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:09 pm

I think it really depends on how much the crowd is liking your set. I know we usually seeing something to the effect of "The Dead Generation leaves the stage and the crow is cheering for more". Usually, we get two encore songs but if the crowd isn't that hot we might not get to play that second encore song.

Post by **Shadd666** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:38 pm

So i guess it depends on the show, the band reputation, and the fame of your songs, right? I mean, if you have a top song and hadn't play it yet, the crowd would stay and wait for it as an encore, no?

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:27 pm

I think it has more to do with the crowd mood. It's based on how your show is going. Try to watch your next show while it's happening. You'll see an update on the crowd's mood after every pair of events in your show (for us it's usually a song and an "event"). Over the course of the show, that might raise from "above average" to "good" or whatever. You could have your best song saved for your second encore but the crowd won't know it's coming if they weren't all that into the show and left after the last song.

Minty might be able to give a better explanation of this. He's gotten good at knowing what the audience should be like at different stages of our shows. He's been able to juggle our set mid-show to get all our songs in if it doesn't look like the crowd is going to be fired up enough to stay for our second encore song.

Post by **Shadd666** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:44 pm

I'm not that good at 'feeling the crowd's mood'

I can feel it on stage irl, but not that much on popo

Post by **Minstrel** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:53 am

Hmm... encores are tricky

If you have a standard setlist what you want to do is balance your events and songs to build in rating through to the end. It's based upon audience 'mood'; you can see these by watching live.

A bit about events first though; you do events not only to help build your crowd but because they are important for your weekly experience points. So if you do two show events in a few shows per week you should be able to get your 3 experience which is huge obviously. So that's why it's good to learn show event stuff.

Keeping that in mind, we do 14 songs in our current set... and we've got songs that get 2 stars, we play those early, they are lower quality overall and then those I know we can add those events we're doing mainly with view to getting our XP but may only get a star or two when done. Then the songs the I know we can count on for 3 stars are saved for our last few songs where we can bookend them with events that get three stars. That builds crowd levels.

Then we leave stage (and you only have to leave stage once btw) and you can only perform your first encore if it says you've left stage but "the crowd is still chanting for more". Then you need to be able to play a song that is worthy of an encore, so it should be your best song at first. Best rating and also highest popularity. Otherwise the crowd can decide they've heard enough and bail.

If they do stick around for your successful encore and they still are chanting for more then, if you have a song that stands out as even better than that one you can play that and they'll then probably head home.

All of this is relative to your songs, your fans, and your usual level. So when we did our first tour we didn't try any but a few failed encores. Then on our second tour we had a song or two that we knew were levels above the rest of our show and started doing those as an encore.

Keep in mind too (and you now begin to see why I always say that there's a lot of things that go into all popo ratings) that your crowd won't respond as well when you are in a new town as one you have more fame built up in. You won't do as well in a lower rated club or if your health/mood is low etc etc.

But, if you know where your crowd usually is at a certain point and you see them a few lower lower then you can decide if you want to pull your songs back from encores to regular songs. I judge it by events that I use as my 'anchors'. Songs might change/shuffle due to popularity and jam level... but the events are my signposts.

EDIT:

Here's a link to our recent Paris show, that we broke through for a 'good' rating so you can see what I mean about the events and songs building to the end:

TDG Paris

So if Palmer spits on the audience (which always gets 3 stars lol) and the audience isn't at at least 'pleasant' I know we're lower than usual and may have a hard time getting our 2nd encore to go.

In this show you'll see they were going crazy even after our 2nd encore which is new for us

but we don't have a third song to 'top' or meet the four stars our other encores got so there was no reason to add another song that would only hurt our rating so we just let them just go home happy.

Also, April only got three stars for her striptese after getting 5 stars in sex appeal, 5 stars in basic dance AND after I got to 3 stars in Erotic Dance.

Post by **Shadd666** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:57 am

With only 7 songs in our repertoire, we're far fom playing an encore actually

It'll change with time though

holydogg · Post by **holydogg** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:36 pm

Shadd666 wrote:With only 7 songs in our repertoire, we're far fom playing an encore actually It'll change with time though

BTW, seven really rubbish songs!

Post by **Shadd666** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:01 pm

holydogg wrote:
Shadd666 wrote:With only 7 songs in our repertoire, we're far fom playing an encore actually It'll change with time though
BTW, seven really rubbish songs!

It'll change with time too!

With Rich and i being 5* composers, i think this band have a bright future in hand

Post by **archibalduk** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:38 am

Hooray! I just performed my first "below average" concert! I've been stuck on "poor" for quite some time so it's nice to have finally broken the threshold.

I'm really stuggling, however, at keeping my health up. If I spend too much time exercising then my mood shoots down so then I have to go back to shopping which of course sends my health back down. I've tried things such as salads but they don't have any effect on my health

Post by **Shadd666** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:59 am

I don't think that shopping drops your health, Archi

But shows and jams do. The higher your show ambition is, the more you'll be tired after a show. Having a 'normal' ambition (instead of 'boosted' or 'go for it') well tire you less, especially when you're touring. Boosted and 'go for it' are more likely used to perform single shows and competitions, when you then have a lot of time to rest.

Post by **archibalduk** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:20 pm

Oh no, I didn't mean that shopping reduces my fitness. It's just that if I stop exercising then my health drops. I need to figure out a way to keep my fitness steady whilst I study and go shopping (to keep my mood up).

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:00 pm

I highly suggest skilling your Yoga all the way up to 5 stars. I rarely have my health go below 80%. Also, if you keep putting your experience points into your IQ, learning skills won't take such a toll on your mood. While we're on tour I usually have both my mood and my health sitting at around 90% because of these two things.

Post by **archibalduk** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:01 pm

Thanks for the tips

I'm currently on four stars with yoga so I'll be so sure to get it up to five soon. I'm currently on "nice" IQ but I think I'm one star off "pleasant". I think being away from home is having an effect on my mood and so this is why it had become hard for me to balance my mood and health at the moment. I'm abandoning my next concert in Toronto to come back to NY in order to get my mood and health sorted out before I head off on a small tour of Europe. I'm going to buy a flat in Paris and so that will help avoid the home-sickness.

bruins72 · Post by **bruins72** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:10 pm

Be careful with canceling concerts. That can have a really bad effect on your band's rating. People will think you're like Axl Rose or something.

One thing I just thought of. You're a solo artist now, right? Maybe the lack of regular interaction with close friends while you're on the road is hurting your mood? I know when you're in a band, you've always got your bandmates that you're traveling with, so you've always got them available to interact with. I try to interact with the folks in my band every day. I think without a regular group of people like that, your character might get lonely. I'm sure you've got a pet already, right?

Post by **archibalduk** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:52 pm

It was only Canada so it's no big deal really. I'm focussing on England, France and Spain where I have greater fame. That's why I'm getting an apartment in Paris - so I can easily get to the three countries and get my fame up enough to release a single.

I think I definitely miss interacting with people. I'm hoping to get some friends over in Paris in order to combat this problem. It's definitely a disadvantage of being a solo act. I do have a pet but I've no idea how much of a positive effect it has on me.

Post by **Minstrel** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:41 pm

Pets act basically as one friend

But yeah the lack of interactions and friends on your list will get to you. As will jams and concerts and flying... and of course just plain being sick too. There's always a bit of a boost from that 5th star, finally mastering the skill so that should help.