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Aladyyn wrote:just my opinion obviously, I think Subban not making Team Canada is for reasons other than "not being good enough"
Fair enough!
My opinion is he's a defensive liability and not a team player, and any team wanting to win a Stanley Cup is better off without him; I don't like any player that thinks he's "bigger than the game itself" and Subban certainly does
Aladyyn wrote:The Weber hype is going to die out when the inevitable regression hits Montreal
If Price stays healthy I don't see how MTL can slow down that much. They've been a top team in the east for a couple of years now.
The only regression I could see happening is offensively. Like they do almost every year but Price alone is/has always helped them maintaining their spot in the playoffs.
philou21 wrote:The only regression I could see happening is offensively. Like they do almost every year but Price alone is/has always helped them maintaining their spot in the playoffs.
Peter_Doherty wrote:MTL is riding a 106 PDO and an INSANE GF%, they'll regress. They'll still be good, but they'll regress
In other news, Rangers offense is electric, we might actually have the best forward group in the league.
Regarding PDO - Montreal won't be able to maintain their extremely high save percentage (currently at 0.954, which over a season would be record level by quite a bit!) & you'd think the Rangers offense will regress some given their "normal/average" PDO and their shooting percentage is currently higher than any team's in the previous seven years (2009-2015); their PDO is lowered by their very low save percentage (currently at 0.896)
Definitely, Rangers SH% will regress and our overall PDO will likely regress too even if our SV% will likely go the other way to make up for part of the SH% regression. It's unlikely we'll see any team over 102 PDO.
Still think Rangers forward group is right up there at the top of the league.
He'll join a STACKED Windsor team who hosts the Memorial Cup this season, NYR 3rd rounder Sean Day got traded there recently and has looked really good so far.
Their top 4 on D is ridiculously good for that level, atleast on paper.
So it seems since 2004-5 only six teams have ever come back from being out of a playoff spot by 4 or more points on November 1st (i.e. slow starts are disastrous for playoff aspirations)
And Subban hasn't helped the Predators much so far! A 2-5-1 start, outscored 29-19, and apparently 20th in 5v5 Corsi (after being #1 in the League last year), and Subban with the worst possession numbers of his career so far.....I think they miss Weber (while I don't think Montreal is missing Subban)
IMO these numbers help explain why Subban's not a presence on Team Canada (seems he may have been helped by Montreal's system way more than hurt by it!)
Think ur drawing way too big conclusions from a small sample size here. Their dip in CF% is worrying but their 2-5-1 start can be partly explained by a really low PDO.
I think people (not just you) are trying to gain cheap points by giving Weber all the credit to Habs good start and blaming Subban for Preds bad start, think that's just wrong.
Peter_Doherty wrote:Yeah sure, but so many people just bang these drums now to score easy points. Neither Weber nor Subban has THAT big of an impact on a team.
Their PDO will go up, they're shooting ridiculously low right now. I do agree that Rinne is bad tho.
I actually think Weber is special because of the physical presence he brings, which few players bring nowadays...I think forwards play different against him, they're less offensive/more concerned about being hit
I don't think the better teams/forwards are concerned about playing against Subban (I think they're looking forward to potential turnovers/bad decisions that he makes giving them prime scoring chances)
They're scary in different ways, Subban is scary for Fs because he jumps play so much that they have to be ready defensively while Weber is physically scary, especially in the corners or when he clears the crease.
Looking at these two players from just a plain 'trade-view', either MTL does really well with Weber on the team and win the cup or Weber doesn't really impact the overall outcome for them and they have an older player with a worse contract than Subban. I think it all depends on them winning the cup. If you win the cup, you've made the right moves and it excuses any contract or regression issues you may have later on. If you don't win anything, you're not only left with a player who's getting worse and limits your options cap wise but you also don't really win the trade(because you have nothing to show for it, really). That's just my opinion, though.
ClassicSwarley wrote:they have an older player with a worse contract than Subban
I'm curious to see how much Subban will earn after this contract since he is already at 9 millions at 25 when the deal was signed. Weber ends at 41 which is bad but I wouldn't be surprise if Subban earns even more at the end of his current contract. (Or maybe not depending on his futur performances ) So I don't think MTL is in deep trouble with Weber's contract especially when players seems more and more able to play at 39-40. Sure if he retires at 40 they will have to pay a year for nothing but I think it's better than paying Subban 10-12 millions in the futur. For what Weber brings in term of leadership/example I would prefer to still pay him even if he's not playing haha
I don't think we should take into consideration what Subban will earn after this contract, that's not really how I would value this trade. That Weber contract is there, it's real and we don't need to speculate about it. We still don't know anything about Subban's next contract which is still a long way ahead.
philou21 wrote: For what Weber brings in term of leadership/example I would prefer to still pay him even if he's not playing haha
I think this sums up my point- if they win the cup, I don't think they'll really mind paying him even if he's not playing, otherwise it will be quite the opposite.
ClassicSwarley wrote:I don't think we should take into consideration what Subban will earn after this contract, that's not really how I would value this trade. That Weber contract is there, it's real and we don't need to speculate about it. We still don't know anything about Subban's next contract which is still a long way ahead.
Oh yeah I totally know that. That's why I said we actually don't know how much Subban will earn in the futur.
Manimal - Yeah, but how often do players actually retire before their contracts end and leave money on the table? If he's 'done' before 40 then he'll likely just be on IR like everyone else. It's also possible that this is something they take up in the new CBA negotiations in 2020. I expect the recapture to be a non issue but we'll see.
I've been working my way through the 2016-17 NHL games on YouTube (posted by Serg 72)...and I've now watched 24 games!
I'm posting because I just finished watching the Blue Jackets/Blackhawks game from October 21st, and a Bobrovsky quote got me thinking...apparently he was concerned about the upper body equipment proposed changes/reduction because the puck stings sometimes and he was concerned of getting hurt
A number of thoughts came to mind...
I don't want to see goaltenders getting hurt
forwards and defensemen regularly block shots (including with their upper body) with less protection than goalies would have (especially in the upper body)
IMO the modern goaltending equipment/style has contributed more to "ruining" hockey than anything else
I don't feel sympathy for the goalies (some jobs involve "some" pain/discomfort, goaltending always used to), and I believe that upper body equipment should be reduced, and the great thing it would do is force goaltenders to actually make saves again (with their hands) instead of dropping into the V and letting the puck hit them
I'd also love to see the modern goalie pads banned (no pads that have the extra knee pad and rotate 90 degrees to the puck should be allowed), but that's another matter
if they can't get the goalies to go along with equipment size reduction (and the pad change), and if it really is a protection issue and they can't reduce equipment size significantly, IMO they definitely need to make the nets bigger (which would make the single style of goaltending we know see obsolete as there'd be space on either side again)
Why the NHL allowed the significant equipment changes (including to sticks) I'll never know...baseball never allowed the aluminum bat!
I totally agree with what Nino posted about goalie equipment. Just looking at the difference and comparing modern goalie equipment to the stuff they wore in the 70's and 80's will clearly explain why scoring is down in the NHL.
bruins72 wrote:I totally agree with what Nino posted about goalie equipment. Just looking at the difference and comparing modern goalie equipment to the stuff they wore in the 70's and 80's will clearly explain why scoring is down in the NHL.
As an former goalie I don't even mind the lower scoring so much HaHa, but I hate the fact that all goalies play the exact same boring style (and that that style is completely reliant on the equipment changes to play)
in reality he's not even top 5 on Team Canada
