TBL NHL Roster Update Data Issues (i.e. mistakes/omissions)

[Lidas]

Hmm... I guess you are right about Nr.2.
I thought that was the reason why Stafford was playing in Iowa.

[Tasku]

Who knows... perhaps an accidental mouse click or something...

[Gottschlich]

Hmmm. Question

If I fix and update some things in the Pre Gamer Editor.
Does those configs that Ive made stay when the next release that contains Finland, Sweden, England and so on.

I just thought, maybe I should wait to do those configs

[Tasku]

No, it's impossible to mix two files - your edited configurations will be on the file you have, while I currently have in my posession the file that will eventually include the other updated leagues.

[Lidas]

When you download and use another DB from here, your changes will be lost if you choose to overwrite your old DB.
You can always keep your changes in another DB, but you will have to do them again if you want to use them in another DB you have downloaded.

Its probably best to wait with editing until the final version has been released.

[Gottschlich]

I´ll wait then .... I think

[archibalduk]

Yeah, but it still doesn't give me that option, it just loads the old default roster.

It sounds like you don't have the latest patch for EHM. The option to choose which database to use was only introduced in 3.0.3 (if I remember rightly) so if you don't have that option then it sounds like you don't have the latest patch (which is version 3.0.4 by the way).

Alternatively, what is in your database/TBL_NHL_Roster_Update_2008 folder? The database files should be directly in the TBL_NHL_Roster_Update_2008 folder - there shouldn't be any subfolders within that folder.

[Tasku]

Changelist for upcoming version 1.1, so far.

• Fixed Lyle Odelein’s retirement - error in Config File
• Removed Chris Chelios' retirement
• Fixed Tampa Bay’s affiliation with Mississippi Sea Wolves - Sea Wolves exist in the game, but were not playing in any league
• Updated Mississippi Sea Wolves roster to give team some players, because roster was empty
(Players signed to Mississippi: Mark Hurtubise from Long Beach Ice Dogs, Torry Gajda from Cincinnati Cyclones, Bill Kinkel from Florida Everblades, Jon Booras from Bloomington Prairie Thunder, Mark Rooneem, Travis Lisabeth from Phoenix Roadrunners, Chase Trull from Muskegon Fury, Justin Cross from Kalamazoo Wings, Lance Monych, Mike Folk from New Mexico Scorpions, Chris Cava from Trenton Titans, Jason Slusher from Pee Dee Cyclones, Matthew Deschamps from Charlotte Checkers and Michael Couch from All Stars Piemonte)
• Moved ECHL teams to their correct season 2007-08 divisions
• Signed Igor Grigorenko from Lada Togliatti to Detroit Red Wings
• Teams that had affiliation changes had their players left in their former affiliation teams as loan, fixed
• Fixed AHL affiliations with ECHL teams
• Included 900 missing DoB's to database - info provided by Jackknife77

Thanks to Jackknife for all the hard work he must've put to compiling us this list of missing birthdates! Also fixed AHL teams affiliations to ECHL teams.

[Tasku]

So after doing a considerable amount of research, I've finally found all the mistakes/omissions for the Toronto Maple Leafs organization and it's affiliates: Toronto Marlies (AHL), and Columbia Inferno (ECHL)

Kay, so I had some extra time on my hands, and although I didn't like the way you initially approached us complaining about your dissappointment that we didn't include your work to the update - you could've done it in a more friendly manner - nevertheless we appreciate the amount of work you've put into this, so I decided to kill some time by adding the changes you've listed the best I can.

STAFF

Marlies Staff

Main thing here is MIKE PENNY (not TIM penny lol) is the Manager, and since J.Jackson got promoted to LEAFS Ass. GM, we can finally have Mike Penny have full GM control (see below).

http://www.torontomarlies.com/team/StaffDirectory.asp

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app?serv ... /prospects

Mike Penny is actually Toronto Maple Leafs Assistant GM. I think the person we're lookin for here is Nathan McFadden: Manager, hockey operations. But he does not exist in the game database, and because we are not so far into this update that we'd be updating the AHL, I'm not going to create an AHL manager at this point.

Leafs Staff - http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app/?ser ... e&id=12778
- Main thing here are the Scouts, they are all existing in EHM, just need to be added to the Leafs, they do suck however so a boost is needed but..i guess that's not allowed.

- Also Jack Johnson was recently Promoted to Assistant GM, also needs a boost :: shrug :: lol

heres the link...

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app/?ser ... eid=336299 - J Jackson

Scouts were updated, as they were on all other teams aswell.

Jeff Jackson is Managing Director of Maple Leafs, while Penny is the Assistant GM, as shown on Maple Leafs staff listings: http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app/?ser ... e&id=12778

Leafs/Marlies fixes

Marlies Roster -

http://www.torontomarlies.com/team/index.asp

(It's out of date, and I'll mention everything that's missing/still there, otherwise still accurate up to end of last season)

Theres a Ryan Graham on the Leafs, don't know where he came from but I don't think he was ever Leafs property. The following link shows that he was on a tryout with the Wild recently and released, so needs to be removed.

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/hockey/070920/h092008A.html - graham released, not on any team

Ryan Graham is no longer in Toronto on v1.0. Not sure at what point he was moved from the team, but this has been fixed nevertheless.

Also heres a handy website showing that the following players are no longer Leafs property..

http://www.geocities.com/floridapanther ... e2007.html

Moro, Kukumberg

Links for Marsh and Ford signings follow respectively...

http://www.columbiainferno.com/newsstat ... cle_id=192

http://www.torontomarlies.com/news/News ... ory_id=446

Tyler Beechey no longer on the team. (as evidenced by Roster page, as old as that page maybe, it's still recent enough to incorporate that, I don't think Beechey played at all last year)

Darryl Boyce - Property of Marlies (rights and conractually, not leafs) http://www.journalpioneer.com/index.cfm ... 057&sc=119

Michel Leveille - Signed by Marlies as well
http://goblackbears.cstv.com/sports/m-h ... 07aaa.html

Marlies sign goalie Jeff Jakaitis - http://www.torontomarlies.com/news/News ... ory_id=454

Also Colin Murphy, although he is on the Marlies as he should be, he's not contracted to them and his rights are owned by the Leafs, which is wrong.. he is Marlies property.

http://www.torontomarlies.com/news/News ... ory_id=437

Marsh signed to Columbia, Ford is already in the correct team. Boyce, Jakaitis, Murphy and Leveille signed to Marlies. Marc Moro and Tyler Beechey removed from Marlies roster: now free agents.

Didn't remove Toronto Maples Leafs' rights to Colin Murphy, didn't see any info confirming this in the link.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say about Kukumberg by bolding his name. He (Roman Kukumberg - only player by that last name in the game database) plays for Slovan Bratislava in the game, not sure if that is his team this season, but according to Marlies and Maples websites he's not in either team in Toronto.

Columbia Roster --> http://www.columbiainferno.com/team/players/
This is accurate except for a couple of signings which I will mention. Most of the players need to be added, and current players in ehm on the team need to be removed, i'm pretty sure the rosters have been stagnant for the last years, about time they were cleaned up!

Owen Fussey is Columbia's not Marlies (as evidenced by roster)

http://www.columbiainferno.com/newsstat ... cle_id=201

Patrick Wellar was recently signed (Wash prospect if not mistaken, boy he fell..lol)

http://www.columbiainferno.com/newsstat ... cle_id=209

Ren Fauci - resigned

http://www.columbiainferno.com/newsstat ... cle_id=207

and.. Kelly Thomson

http://www.columbiainferno.com/newsstat ... cle_id=204

Fussey, Fauci, Thomson and Wellar moved to Inferno.

Random Player

remove MARCUS GLOVER, no idea who he is, perhaps Jeff Corey but prob not, I can't find him, most likely a faked player that somehow ended up on the team

ROBERT GHERSON - was on the Inferno (columbia) a year ago, but isn't anymore. (link shows him being on columbia in 2006)

http://www.ahlfans.net/forums/lofiversi ... t4629.html

Glover and Gherson removed.

MISSING Playerss

(following on roster sheet and participated in prospects tourney)

Jeff Corey - never seen him in the game, but played average role for Marlies

There is no Jeff Corey in the game database.

Prospects

For some reason, the Leafs still have rights over players they drafted like 10 years ago. According to new CBA, no more rights over those players..

2 links or this, first is Leaf's prospect page (official), and another is a forum topic which proves that none of those players are leafs property. THere is one discrepancy, Shinkar is listed for the LEAFS, but according to forum is no longer Leaf's property. Up to you guys.

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app?serv ... /prospects

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=399085

Im pretty sure Shinkar isn't infact, his birthplace says UFA lol in the leafs page, so I think someone messed up.

And that's it!

Not sure at what point in the forums it said Shinkar was not Toronto property, I'll leave him as he is...


There... happy now?

[MKoivuFan]

Not sure if your doing the AHL staff as well but Cam Stewart is not a coach with Houston... They need their two new assistant coachs created...

http://www.aeros.com/team/coaches/

Those coaches are Luke Strand and Troy Ward

[Tasku]

At this point we won't be doing that, version 1.1 is just to fix mistakes on the original NHL update release. And I can't really say how much staff creating we want to do when we get to updating the AHL.

We'll see.

Edit: Actually, we propably won't be creating any assistant coaches. GM's and their assistants were created because they play important role game-wise, and physios because they're so easy to create with only first name and physiotherapy value at 20. Creating coaches we've never heard of (atleast I haven't) is a whole different thing.

[Lidas]

Please set these guy's birthdates, so we can get the cards to work

Joel Ward Dec 2, 1980
Trent Hunter Jul 5, 1980
Juuso Puustinen Apr 5, 1988

[Tasku]

Okey-dokey!

They're propably already in the list I got from Jackknife, but just to make sure, I'll do it right now.

[Lidas]

Oh... just came to think of it - how long is that list, and where are those player based?

We might need to do a big re-work on the TBL cards if the birthdates are changed

[Tasku]

900 players. Many of them are not from the NHL though - I see lots of Central European players and North American minor leaguers. Mostly they are players who had no birthdates at all ("1.2.1900"), I doubt it will have a dramatic effect on the cards - a player here, another there maybe.

[laskey 16]

Don't know if this has already been mentioned (or if it was a problem before the update) but Brandon Segal of the Anaheim Ducks history shows him as playing the 05-06 for Milwaukee in the NHL. Obviously this should be AHL.

[Tasku]

We haven't done anything to player histories, so that was prolly SI's bad. Fixed it for the next version though.

[zeppelin89]

So after doing a considerable amount of research, I've finally found all the mistakes/omissions for the Toronto Maple Leafs organization and it's affiliates: Toronto Marlies (AHL), and Columbia Inferno (ECHL)

Kay, so I had some extra time on my hands, and although I didn't like the way you initially approached us complaining about your dissappointment that we didn't include your work to the update - you could've done it in a more friendly manner - nevertheless we appreciate the amount of work you've put into this, so I decided to kill some time by adding the changes you've listed the best I can.

STAFF

Marlies Staff

Main thing here is MIKE PENNY (not TIM penny lol) is the Manager, and since J.Jackson got promoted to LEAFS Ass. GM, we can finally have Mike Penny have full GM control (see below).

http://www.torontomarlies.com/team/StaffDirectory.asp

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app?serv ... /prospects

Mike Penny is actually Toronto Maple Leafs Assistant GM. I think the person we're lookin for here is Nathan McFadden: Manager, hockey operations. But he does not exist in the game database, and because we are not so far into this update that we'd be updating the AHL, I'm not going to create an AHL manager at this point.

Leafs Staff - http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app/?ser ... e&id=12778
- Main thing here are the Scouts, they are all existing in EHM, just need to be added to the Leafs, they do suck however so a boost is needed but..i guess that's not allowed.

- Also Jack Johnson was recently Promoted to Assistant GM, also needs a boost :: shrug :: lol

heres the link...

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app/?ser ... eid=336299 - J Jackson

Scouts were updated, as they were on all other teams aswell.

Jeff Jackson is Managing Director of Maple Leafs, while Penny is the Assistant GM, as shown on Maple Leafs staff listings: http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app/?ser ... e&id=12778

Leafs/Marlies fixes

Marlies Roster -

http://www.torontomarlies.com/team/index.asp

(It's out of date, and I'll mention everything that's missing/still there, otherwise still accurate up to end of last season)

Theres a Ryan Graham on the Leafs, don't know where he came from but I don't think he was ever Leafs property. The following link shows that he was on a tryout with the Wild recently and released, so needs to be removed.

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/hockey/070920/h092008A.html - graham released, not on any team

Ryan Graham is no longer in Toronto on v1.0. Not sure at what point he was moved from the team, but this has been fixed nevertheless.

Also heres a handy website showing that the following players are no longer Leafs property..

http://www.geocities.com/floridapanther ... e2007.html

Moro, Kukumberg

Links for Marsh and Ford signings follow respectively...

http://www.columbiainferno.com/newsstat ... cle_id=192

http://www.torontomarlies.com/news/News ... ory_id=446

Tyler Beechey no longer on the team. (as evidenced by Roster page, as old as that page maybe, it's still recent enough to incorporate that, I don't think Beechey played at all last year)

Darryl Boyce - Property of Marlies (rights and conractually, not leafs) http://www.journalpioneer.com/index.cfm ... 057&sc=119

Michel Leveille - Signed by Marlies as well
http://goblackbears.cstv.com/sports/m-h ... 07aaa.html

Marlies sign goalie Jeff Jakaitis - http://www.torontomarlies.com/news/News ... ory_id=454

Also Colin Murphy, although he is on the Marlies as he should be, he's not contracted to them and his rights are owned by the Leafs, which is wrong.. he is Marlies property.

http://www.torontomarlies.com/news/News ... ory_id=437

Marsh signed to Columbia, Ford is already in the correct team. Boyce, Jakaitis, Murphy and Leveille signed to Marlies. Marc Moro and Tyler Beechey removed from Marlies roster: now free agents.

Didn't remove Toronto Maples Leafs' rights to Colin Murphy, didn't see any info confirming this in the link.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say about Kukumberg by bolding his name. He (Roman Kukumberg - only player by that last name in the game database) plays for Slovan Bratislava in the game, not sure if that is his team this season, but according to Marlies and Maples websites he's not in either team in Toronto.

Columbia Roster --> http://www.columbiainferno.com/team/players/
This is accurate except for a couple of signings which I will mention. Most of the players need to be added, and current players in ehm on the team need to be removed, i'm pretty sure the rosters have been stagnant for the last years, about time they were cleaned up!

Owen Fussey is Columbia's not Marlies (as evidenced by roster)

http://www.columbiainferno.com/newsstat ... cle_id=201

Patrick Wellar was recently signed (Wash prospect if not mistaken, boy he fell..lol)

http://www.columbiainferno.com/newsstat ... cle_id=209

Ren Fauci - resigned

http://www.columbiainferno.com/newsstat ... cle_id=207

and.. Kelly Thomson

http://www.columbiainferno.com/newsstat ... cle_id=204

Fussey, Fauci, Thomson and Wellar moved to Inferno.

Random Player

remove MARCUS GLOVER, no idea who he is, perhaps Jeff Corey but prob not, I can't find him, most likely a faked player that somehow ended up on the team

ROBERT GHERSON - was on the Inferno (columbia) a year ago, but isn't anymore. (link shows him being on columbia in 2006)

http://www.ahlfans.net/forums/lofiversi ... t4629.html

Glover and Gherson removed.

MISSING Playerss

(following on roster sheet and participated in prospects tourney)

Jeff Corey - never seen him in the game, but played average role for Marlies

There is no Jeff Corey in the game database.

Prospects

For some reason, the Leafs still have rights over players they drafted like 10 years ago. According to new CBA, no more rights over those players..

2 links or this, first is Leaf's prospect page (official), and another is a forum topic which proves that none of those players are leafs property. THere is one discrepancy, Shinkar is listed for the LEAFS, but according to forum is no longer Leaf's property. Up to you guys.

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app?serv ... /prospects

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=399085

Im pretty sure Shinkar isn't infact, his birthplace says UFA lol in the leafs page, so I think someone messed up.

And that's it!

Not sure at what point in the forums it said Shinkar was not Toronto property, I'll leave him as he is...


There... happy now?

Hey, really really appreciate it, I guess I was a bit rude, I was really expecting it to be in the update i guess (over hyped it to myslef lol).

Arite, http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app/?ser ... eid=336299 clearly states that he was promoted to Ass. Gm, meaning we can move Penny over to Marlies as Manager full time..

Kukumberg I believe has his rights with the leafs which is incorrect as he (like u said) is not on either roster, and is therefore not righted to the Leafs..

And lastly Colin Murphy is a Marlies player, that's it, no rights with the Leafs (..is what I meant). Thanks!

(btw any timeline on v.1.1?)

[Tasku]

Arite, http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app/?ser ... eid=336299 clearly states that he was promoted to Ass. Gm, meaning we can move Penny over to Marlies as Manager full time..

But at the same time Leafs' staff listings clearly state Penny is their Assistant GM and Jackson is Director of Hockey Administrations. According to Penny's profile on that same page he is infact both: Assistant GM in Toronto and GM in... well the other Toronto team. But in the game a person can't do two jobs at the same time, even if in real life they would. Reading thru Penny's profile shows that he has many responsibilities in the Maple Leafs NHL team, and therefore I don't feel comfortable removing him from that position.

We'll just have to see how to deal with this when we move to updating AHL. The general rule we've taken in updating these leagues is that in situations where staff or players contracts between NHL and lower league team clash, the lower league team will have to take the damage rather than the NHL team.

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/team/app/?ser ... e&id=12778

Kukumberg I believe has his rights with the leafs which is incorrect as he (like u said) is not on either roster, and is therefore not righted to the Leafs..

And lastly Colin Murphy is a Marlies player, that's it, no rights with the Leafs (..is what I meant). Thanks!

I tried to find info confirming this one way or the other, but couldn't, so I'll just take your word for it - no NHL rights for Kukumberg or Murphy.

(btw any timeline on v.1.1?)

Next weekend

[batdad]

Zeppelin--Kukumberg's rights may still be with the Leafs, the same way Artem Chubarov's are still with the Canucks, and believe it or not, until 2 years ago Reijo Ruotsalainen ( who has been retired for 9 years or so) was still attached to the Oilers.

From the past CBA's NHL team rights to players from Europe are almost permanent. And not lost. So just because Kuk is not listed with either the Marlies or Leafs anywhere...his rights still are with them.


This is a just so you know. It happens with all teams around the league. Even for guys who will likely never ever play again because they are 80.

[Tasku]

Hmm... so what are you saying, I should put them back?

[batdad]

Leave Kukumberg's rights with Toronto...executive decision

As for Penny..leave him as assistant GM of Leafs for now. Although I do recall somewhere hearing he may not be anymore. Not sure what the source was..will have to do some checking.


Oh and looking at your sites that show your proof...well..

1. HF Boards does not have a link showing to the CBA that players drafted under the old CBA...have had their rights status affected by the new CBA>

2. More importantly..the link to the leafs "IN THE SYSTEM" page...shows Kukumberg as a Leaf prospect. So nto sure whare you are going with this one.

[Tasku]

Right o'!

[batdad]

I edited the post a bit Tasku...

[zeppelin89]

Leave Kukumberg's rights with Toronto...executive decision

As for Penny..leave him as assistant GM of Leafs for now. Although I do recall somewhere hearing he may not be anymore. Not sure what the source was..will have to do some checking.


Oh and looking at your sites that show your proof...well..

1. HF Boards does not have a link showing to the CBA that players drafted under the old CBA...have had their rights status affected by the new CBA>

2. More importantly..the link to the leafs "IN THE SYSTEM" page...shows Kukumberg as a Leaf prospect. So nto sure whare you are going with this one.

Ah thing is with Kukumberg, he was signed by the leafs and played with the Marlies, then the leafs didn't qualify the contract...wait..You maybe right I think he went back hmm now im confused, cuz the contract couldnt be one year..

Who knows lol..he sucks anyways, just make sure his wristshot isnt 19 anymore (bug a while back)..

And as to Jeff Jackson, I think by the logic that that the Team Management page has probably been stagnant for a while, and the newest piece of information on Leafs management came in that press release, he should be promoted. So therefore I'd say he got promoted while Penny is the Marlies GM.

But your call. (And I appreciate you takin my word for the other item)