TBL Retro Rosters 1998/99 (Discussion & correction thread)

[archibalduk]

Here's the new version: http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... 16&t=13516

[Primis]

I enjoyed Laizon's orignal DB way back, it was just kinda' thin on players to flesh things out.

Very much looking forward to trying this, with a more-filled-out DB. I haven't played EHM 1 much at all lately, and that's about to change. Great job getting this done, guys! *clapping*

[Asher413]

1st- Thanks. I understand how hard rosters are to do, and this I'm sure was a lot of work.

One thing I noticed: Petr Nedved should have his rights with Pittsurgh and playing with Las Vegas at the start. He was traded with other pieces for Kovalev in November of '98. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pens-trade- ... o-rangers/. He refused to sign for over a season with the Pens, I'm not sure if there's any way you can keep him from signing with the Penguins, but willing to sign with other teams.

[CJ]

1st- Thanks. I understand how hard rosters are to do, and this I'm sure was a lot of work.

One thing I noticed: Petr Nedved should have his rights with Pittsurgh and playing with Las Vegas at the start. He was traded with other pieces for Kovalev in November of '98. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pens-trade- ... o-rangers/. He refused to sign for over a season with the Pens, I'm not sure if there's any way you can keep him from signing with the Penguins, but willing to sign with other teams.

Thanks! Are the other players in that trade also in the wrong team or is it just Nedved?

[Modano]

Not a biggie but Marcus Nilson has set "1988 NHL Draft". He's 20 year old so it should be 1998 draft He plays in Kentucky Thoroughblades and is contracted by Florida Panthers.

[nickflyers]

You all did a fantastic job! Love seeing the Flyers I grew up with! Can't wait to rewrite history!! But where's the Ghost Bear?

Note: Any remedy for Winnipeg, Minnesota, and Columbus's complete lack of a roster(besides taking over as GM to sign some players

[nino33]

Note: Any remedy for Winnipeg, Minnesota, and Columbus's complete lack of a roster(besides taking over as GM to sign some players

You're seeing 0 players? My understanding was CJ gave those teams some fake poor/low-average players so they wouldn't be "empty"

[nickflyers]

Note: Any remedy for Winnipeg, Minnesota, and Columbus's complete lack of a roster(besides taking over as GM to sign some players

You're seeing 0 players? My understanding was CJ gave those teams some fake poor/low-average players so they wouldn't be "empty"

No there are players, but its maybe 10-14 players and it doesn't look like they try to fill it. Not a full roster(Could have sworn I set it up how it was laid out in the Thread)

[Asher413]

1st- Thanks. I understand how hard rosters are to do, and this I'm sure was a lot of work.

One thing I noticed: Petr Nedved should have his rights with Pittsurgh and playing with Las Vegas at the start. He was traded with other pieces for Kovalev in November of '98. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pens-trade- ... o-rangers/. He refused to sign for over a season with the Pens, I'm not sure if there's any way you can keep him from signing with the Penguins, but willing to sign with other teams.

Thanks! Are the other players in that trade also in the wrong team or is it just Nedved?

Looks like all the other players are in their pre-trade location.

I'm not sure what your date is it's based off of (the rosters)- if it's start of season, then a few minor things: We'll call it my users fee to help improve things!

The Donald Audette trade was In December, so he should still be on Buffalo and the 2nd rounder still with the Kings: http://www.legendsofhockey.net/LegendsO ... ayer=10044
Detroit should have San Jose's 2nd rounder in '99 from the Mike Vernon deal: http://www.legendsofhockey.net/LegendsO ... ayer=10044
The Devils should have the Blues' 2nd rounder in '99 from the Ken Sutton deal (in '96) http://www.hhof.com/LegendsOfHockey/jsp ... ayer=11599
The Chris Terreri deal (August 25, 1998) has him on New Jersey, but Chicago should have received a 2nd rounder in '99 (it was conditional at trade time, not sure what your policy was on that). http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/tra ... reri,Chris
Mathieu Schneider (from TOR) and Alexander Karpovstev (from NYR) were traded for each other in October '98, both are on the Rangers. The pick was moved as if the trade occured (4th round, NYR to TOR). http://www.hhof.com/LegendsOfHockey/jsp ... ayer=11462
10/16/98- Tom Chorske traded from NYI to Washington for a 6th (with an 8th), both the pick and player are on NYI. http://www.hhof.com/LegendsOfHockey/jsp ... ayer=10254
Johan Hedberg (on Leksands in db) should have rights with San Jose (or maybe Philly)= there was a August trade of his rights in '98- Philly rec'd a 7th rounder, San Jose received his rights. http://www.hhof.com/LegendsOfHockey/jsp ... ayer=18224

Mike Knuble was traded 10-1-98 to NYR (where he is in the db) from DET for NYR's 2000 3rd round pick (still with NYR) http://www.hhof.com/LegendsOfHockey/jsp ... ayer=10807 (Note, the pick was traded in 1999 back to NYR, then TB, then SJ, then CHI)
Here's a fun one- the Maple Leafs' 4th rounder in 2000 was transferred to ANA for "Tampering with a Mighty Ducks Scout" on 10-1-98, then that pick was traded to Chicago for Marty McInnis (10-27-98) I can't find a lot of details on that one. http://www.prosportstransactions.com/ho ... s/2000.htm
Trent Klatt was traded from PHI to VAN on 10-19-98 for a 2000 6th rounder, both the pick and Klatt are with PHI.

Only went through 2000 draft tonight- will look at more tomorrow.

[Moses Doughty]

I couldn't recalculate the runtime data because I had to load the rosters by subscribing rather than importing, is there a way to do something similar without importing?

[CJ]

I'm not sure what your date is it's based off of (the rosters)- if it's start of season, then a few minor things: We'll call it my users fee to help improve things!

Thanks! I'll look into it. I don't know who actually moved/created the original players. I haven never moved players myself. I guess we'll have to decide on when when the "start-of-date" is. Maybe the date one starts the NHL database with.

This find this site to be great for transactions:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/
Just type the players and under transaction there's all info on the trade.

No there are players, but its maybe 10-14 players and it doesn't look like they try to fill it. Not a full roster(Could have sworn I set it up how it was laid out in the Thread)

Those teams will fill in time. Just takes time. They will pick a lot of players from waivers ones they start to fill up.
I created these few fake players as a temporary solution for the situation a long time ago. I hope we can edit league sizes in the future in this game so we can get rid of the extra teams.

I couldn't recalculate the runtime data because I had to load the rosters by subscribing rather than importing, is there a way to do something similar without importing?

I have no idea how that works.

[archibalduk]

I couldn't recalculate the runtime data because I had to load the rosters by subscribing rather than importing, is there a way to do something similar without importing?

You don't need to worry about this if you're using the Steam Workshop version. That version has the recalculated data already.

[Primis]

Mike York is on Michigan State twice, I noticed.

[Kiekkomestari]

I searched name Crosby in my save, but Sidney didn't come as result. Will he come to "real" player at certain age or am I missing something?

[CJ]

I searched name Crosby in my save, but Sidney didn't come as result. Will he come to "real" player at certain age or am I missing something?

Players are only visible when they're over 13/14 (depends when they're born in the year I think). So yes he will become visible then! Probably in 2000 or 2001?!

Mike York is on Michigan State twice, I noticed.

I have an excel file from last week. It has only one Mike York in it. Weird if he's been added after that somehow!? What are their differences? Do they have same birth date and city etc.?

[Primis]

Mike York is on Michigan State twice, I noticed.

I have an excel file from last week. It has only one Mike York in it. Weird if he's been added after that somehow!? What are their differences? Do they have same birth date and city etc.?

One of them has a birthdate of 3/1/78, the other has a birthdate of 1/3/78 (the one that links to his mugshot). One is 5'10", 185lbs. The other is 5'10", 183lbs . Both hail from Waterford, MI.

The picture-less one is a C/LW/RW, his mental attributes are a bit less-developed, but his other attributes are a bit further along, and the NYR own his rights. The mugshot one is simply a C, and his mental attributes are all quite high, other attrinbutes all low, and nobody owns his rights and he's undrafted.

[bruins72]

There appears to be an issue with Jonathan Cheechoo. He's 18 years old and it shows him as being drafted by the Sharks in the 98 draft but he doesn't have any NHL rights assigned to him. Most of the NHL teams are offering him a contract. The Sharks should still have his rights. Shouldn't they?

EDIT:

Michael Henrich seems to be in the same situation.

[CJ]

There appears to be an issue with Jonathan Cheechoo. He's 18 years old and it shows him as being drafted by the Sharks in the 98 draft but he doesn't have any NHL rights assigned to him. Most of the NHL teams are offering him a contract. The Sharks should still have his rights. Shouldn't they?

EDIT:

Michael Henrich seems to be in the same situation.

Yes! That should be fixed. I fixed Kiprusoff a week ago as I noticed he had the same problem. But it's good that many are playing this DB so we get to know all issues.

Primis: Ok good. He's dublicated then. One had the DOB just the otherway around.

[bruins72]

Should we list players with NHL rights missing here as we come upon them? I just found Kyle Calder. Blackhawks should have his rights.

[archibalduk]

Would it be helpful to have a separate data reporting thread so that stuff doesn't get lost in here?

[Primis]

Stu Bodtker is in twice, once as Stu Bodtker, and another as Stewart Bodtker. Same birthdate and vitals for both. "Stu" has NHL rights w/ VAN, "Stewart" has none".

Not trying to clutter the thread, just mentioning them as I find them during play. If we start another reporting thread, I'll put this stuff there!

[CJ]

Would it be helpful to have a separate data reporting thread so that stuff doesn't get lost in here?

Can work to have it here I think. The DB is so new, there will be a lot o discussion right now.

Every correction and error is much appreciated, remember that everyone! We wanna make this DB better!

[Moses Doughty]

I couldn't recalculate the runtime data because I had to load the rosters by subscribing rather than importing, is there a way to do something similar without importing?

You don't need to worry about this if you're using the Steam Workshop version. That version has the recalculated data already.

Oh awesome, thanks!

[jossc]

great work on the update loving it so far!!

from what I have seen the british superleague looks very accurate in terms of rosters, is there a reason why its not made playable yet? and is there a plan on it being made playable?

[CJ]

great work on the update loving it so far!!

from what I have seen the british superleague looks very accurate in terms of rosters, is there a reason why its not made playable yet? and is there a plan on it being made playable?

We can't change that at this point, same goes for Russia and Czech leagues.

We hope they'll make it possible in a later update of EHM.