Finland

[Syrjis]

Espoo United is the name of the whole thing and also the name of the sports teams. That's what I've gathered.

[Syrjis]

Some division changes:

Forssan Palloseura => Finnish Suomi Division
Kouvolan KooKoo => Liiga
Rovaniemen Kiekko => Finnish Mestis
Liikunnan Riemu => Finnish Suomi Division
VG-62 Naantali => Finnish Suomi Division
Harjun Kiekko => Finnish Third Division (South)
Oriveden Fortuna => Finnish Third Division (Häme)
Pirkkalan Pingviinit => Finnish Third Division (Häme)
HC Giants => Finnish Second Division (Häme)
Hämeenkyrön Hokkarit => Finnish Second Division (Häme)
Kangasnniemen Palloilijat => Finnish Second Division (East)
Kemijärven Kiekko => Finnish Second Division (North)
Oulaisten Kiekko-Haukat => Finnish Second Division (North)
Seinäjoen Kiekko-Veljet => Finnish Second Division (Middle Finland)
KJT Miehet => Finnish Second Division (South)
Kiuruveden Kiekko -81 => Finnish Second Division (East)
Kokemäen Kova-Väki => Finnish Second Division (West Coast)
Paraisten Sport => Finnish Second Division (West Coast)
Suonenjoen Kiekko-Karhut => Finnish Second Division (East)
Sipoon Wolf => Finnish Second Division (South)
Hoki Klupi Hyvinkää => Finnish Second Division (South)
Peltosaaren Nikkarit => Finnish Second Division (South)
Hiki-Hockey => Finnish Second Division (Häme)
KOOVEE Tampere II => Finnish Second Division (Häme)
PePo HC Lappeenranta => Finnish Second Division (East)
Helsingin Viikingit => Finnish Second Division (South)
Pieksämäen Pallo-Sepot => Finnish Third Division (East)
Virtain Kiekko-Karhut => Finnish Third Division (Häme)
Lempäälän Kisa II => Finnish Third Division (Häme)
Manse Hockey Team => Finnish Third Division (Häme)
Sotkamon Kiekko => Finnish Third Division (North)
Terjärv Ungdoms Sportklubb => Finnish Third Division (Middle Finland)
Akaan Kiekko => Finnish Third Division (Häme)
Jämsänkosken Ilves 2 => Finnish Third Division (Häme)
Helsingin Karhu-Kissat => Finnish Third Division (South)
Sotkamon Kiekko => Finnish Third Division (North)
Loviisan Jääkiekkoklubi => Finnish Third Division (South)

[Syrjis]

Kittilän Palloseura II => inactive
Harjun Kiekko Akatemia => inactive
Ikurin Vire => Inactive
KooKoo-65 => inactive
HC Satakunta => inactive
Waasa Red Ducks => inactive
Klaukkala Gepards => inactive
Heinolan Tinatuopit => inactive
Laitilan Jyske => inactive
Lehtimäen Jyske => inactive
Nastolan Kiekko 2 => inactive
Nurmeksen Sepot => inactive
Pirkkalan Pingviinit 2 => inactive

Kiekko-Vantaa Itä changed their name to HC Vantaa in 2015-2016
Kotkan Titaanit Akatemia seems to be Kotkan Titaanit again...
Rauman Tigers was founded in 1965
Ruoveden SRK Atleetit founded in 1980
Rename Helsingin Viikingit Team => Helsingin Viikingit II

And here are some teams missing from III-divisioona:

Missing:

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Name: Kiteen Jääsudet
Short name: Jääsudet
Division: Finnish Third Division East
Colours: Grey 1, socks red 2, trim, black
Founded: 1997

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Name: Jokioisten Kiekkoseura
Short name: JKS
Division: Finnish Third Division (West Coast)
Colours: Red 1, black, Gold nashville
Founded: 1984

https://www.facebook.com/JKSJokioinen/p ... =3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/JKSJokioinen/p ... =3&theater

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Name: Iitti Hockey
Short name: Iitti
Division: Finnish Third Division (Kymi-Saimaa)
Colours: Blue & white, trim gold nashville
Founded: 2014

http://iittihockey.sporttisaitti.com/@B ... ATTU1.jpeg

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Name: Hämeenkyrön Hokkarit II
Short name: Hokkarit II
Division: Finnish Third Division (Häme)
Colours:

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Name: HC Eurajoki
Short name: HCE
Division: Finnish Third Division (West Coast)
Colours: light blue (NHL Light blue?) & white
Founded: 2015

https://www.facebook.com/hceurajoki/pho ... =1&theater
https://www.facebook.com/hceurajoki/pho ... =3&theater

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Name: Grankulla IFK II
Short name: GrIFK II
Division: Finnish Third Division (South)

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Name: Ylöjärven Uplakers II
Short name: Uplakers II
Division: Finnish Third Division (Häme)

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Name: Team LKP
Short name: LKP
Division: Finnish Third Division (Middle Finland)
Founded 1995

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Name: Längelmäen Urheilijat/Senaattor
Short name: Senaattor
Division: Finnish Third Division (Häme)
Founded: 1996
Colours: White & blue

https://www.facebook.com/Senaattor/phot ... =1&theater

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Name: Ruoveden SRK Atleetit II
Short name: RuoSkA II
Division: Finnish Third Division (Häme)

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Name: Rollon Pojat
Short name: RoPo
Division: Finnish Third Division (Lapland)
Founded: 2013
Colours: White shirt, black pants, away: light black

https://www.facebook.com/rollonpojathoc ... =3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/rollonpojathoc ... =3&theater

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Name: Loimaa Rockets Raketit
Short name: Rockets Raketit
Division: Finnish Third Division (West Coast)

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Name: Riihimäen Play Team -80
Short name: PT-80
Division: Finnish Third Division (South)
Founded: 1980
Colours: Red + black + white

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Name: Malax Idrottsförening
Short name: Malax IF
Division: Finnish Third Division (West Coast)
Founded: 1945
Colours: Yellow shirt, blue 3 pants, white trim, blue shirt, black trim

https://www.facebook.com/MalaxIFishocke ... =1&theater

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Name: Hockey Club Marttilan Mafia
Short name: Mafia
Division: Finnish Third Division (North)
Founded: 2008
Colours: White, light blue

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Name: Klaukkala Hockey Team
Short name: KHT
Division: Finnish Third Division (South)
Founded: 2015
Colours: Black, trim orange 2

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Name: KeuPa HT Keuruu III
Short name: KeuPa III
Division: Finnish Third Division (Middle Finland)

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Name: Porin Karhu HT II
Short name: Karhu HT II
Division: Finnish Third Division (South)

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Name: Kaarina HT
Short name: Kaarina
Division: Finnish Third Division (West Coast)
Founded: 2014
Colours: light blue shirt, black pants, trim white

https://www.facebook.com/kaarinahockeyt ... =1&theater

Division should be Finnish Third Division for all of them and other division is in brackets. I tried to add colours for the teams that I could find (see in the pics)

[nino33]

Is it correct that some of the teams in the playable "Finnish Suomi Division" are amateur and this don't have a budget/can't pay salaries? https://www.reddit.com/r/EHM/comments/4 ... _salaries/

[Tasku]

Is it correct that some of the teams in the playable "Finnish Suomi Division" are amateur and this don't have a budget/can't pay salaries? https://www.reddit.com/r/EHM/comments/4 ... _salaries/

If I'd have to guess (not very familiar with the league) most, if not all of them are amateur. Some might have a few players who get payed (semi-pro), maybe, but most players have a day job.

[nino33]

Is it correct that some of the teams in the playable "Finnish Suomi Division" are amateur and this don't have a budget/can't pay salaries? https://www.reddit.com/r/EHM/comments/4 ... _salaries/

If I'd have to guess (not very familiar with the league) most, if not all of them are amateur. Some might have a few players who get payed (semi-pro), maybe, but most players have a day job.

In EHM it's a playable League with 4 Amateur clubs and 14 Semi-Pro clubs

[Tasku]

Is it correct that some of the teams in the playable "Finnish Suomi Division" are amateur and this don't have a budget/can't pay salaries? https://www.reddit.com/r/EHM/comments/4 ... _salaries/

If I'd have to guess (not very familiar with the league) most, if not all of them are amateur. Some might have a few players who get payed (semi-pro), maybe, but most players have a day job.

In EHM it's a playable League with 4 Amateur clubs and 14 Semi-Pro clubs

Can't say if that is realistic or not. We have a team in my hometown and I find it hard to believe anyone in this town would be getting a paycheck for playing hockey.

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Correction: had to google, but they are no longer in Suomi Sarja, they were relegated at some point.

[nino33]

The post on reddit indicates the user actually won and got promotion but still didn't get a budget HaHa
It's a bit confusing with multiple leagues with possible promotion/relegation that include Pro and Semi-Pro and Amateur (not something seen in NA)

Sounds like a potential "Challenge" - take an amateur team to the top!

[Manimal]

We are currently looking for someone to rate the players in Finland. Contact me if interested or post here

[Syrjis]

Kiekko-Laser is now Laser HT

http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.php?team=4808

new logo

http://kiekko-laser.com/live/wp-content ... __logo.png

[Tumeez]

Oulun Kärpät retires 3 jersey number.

#10 Reijo Ruotsalainen (It's in game already)
#15 Markku Kiimalainen (Missing.)
#24 Jari Viuhkola (Missing.)

Source: http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.php?team=43

[Tasku]

Not sure how much team budgets can be altered, but Espoo United has a budget of less than 100 000 euros in the game. While I don't know the real player budget, I've heard it is one of the top teams in the Mestis league, if not the top team. So at least somewhere around 500 000 would be more realistic.

[Spasiba]

Thinking of buying EHM, but I would like to know is there "real players" in Finnish Suomi-Sarja? Could somebody give me a screenshot for example of Riemu's player values?

Thank you a lot!
-Spasiba

[Alessandro]

Thinking of buying EHM, but I would like to know is there "real players" in Finnish Suomi-Sarja? Could somebody give me a screenshot for example of Riemu's player values?

Thank you a lot!
-Spasiba

Real players.
By the way we are seeking Finland-based researchers...

[Jykke]

Another updated rosters, and yet again Finnish players are uncared for. How many years has it been when there was someone doing any research for Finland? And how much power has researcher have for player CA/PA points? Because Finland is practically unplayable as league, since all the players are trash and after 2 or 3 seasons there are teams with practically no Finnish players in them. How come mediocre AHL players have so high CA that when they are signed for Liiga they are practically superstars? When in reality it is HUGE lottery if even AHL 1st liners can keep up with Liiga standards.

I don't know what the real database average CA/PA are for the leagues, but Liiga should really be up there, and Finnish players should really be better than they are. (1. NHL - 2. KHL - 3. SHL/Liiga - 4. SHL/-Liiga - 5. AHL/NLA) But they are not. It feels like Liiga is one of the worst professional leagues in the game to play. And there are BIG mistakes all around the chart.

This is just a glimpse of the issues, but I have listed some players that.. I seriously just don't know..

Great examples of some of the current seasons top scorers

- Antti Suomela 23yo, last 3 seasons 148gp 106 points (48g/58a) CA 52 PA -12 https://gyazo.com/213236d4343720b556b2420304892e06
- Mikael Ruohomaa 29yo, last 3 seasons 117gp 83 points (27g/56a) CA 90 PA 95 https://gyazo.com/ae6aeac716bd8ec116ec304158442885
- Iikka Kangasniemi 22yo, last 3 seasons 123gp 84 points (32g/52a) CA 67 PA -13 https://gyazo.com/2c53129c457fb3c42a95b21dc5ab58a1

Great examples of some defenders who are currently on the level to play for Team Finland in EHT or even WC

- Mikko Lehtonen 23yo, last 3 seasons 150gp 66points (25g/41a) CA 86 PA -5 https://gyazo.com/09a14c07fe916796ec7cdd31bafb9d30
- Niko Mikkola 21yo, last 3 seasons 141gp 31 points (7g/24a) CA 70 PA -13 https://gyazo.com/e068cda27386f9c88abb4bf2f867fb6e
- Juuso Riikola 23yo, last 3 seasons 148gp 55 points (16g/39a) CA 85 PA -6 https://gyazo.com/0a78116530fca23dd7f34d81e1d6ced5

Great examples of some goalkeepers that are good goalies for most Liiga teams
- Kaapo Kähkönen 20yo, last 3 seasons 99gp 92% 2,39 GAA (33 wins) CA 80 PA -6 https://gyazo.com/bfc864d32b459510b84dd8c442647ec1
- Emil Larmi 20yo, last 2 seasons 70gp 91,54% 2,16 GAA (26 wins) CA 51 PA -12 https://gyazo.com/4a524d5e1c5dbd2a24d2898f5bff2c80
- Veini Vehviläinen 20yo, last 3 seasons 73gp 92,52% 1,96 GAA (35 wins) CA 84 PA -13 https://gyazo.com/12f616bd7e752f9b6ca6acf7b7bd3479

And I'm not even trying to tackle on the issue about Finnish coaches etc. There are just so many issues.

I want to know how database creators sees Liiga players? Because this is how I see it.

130 - Top players
120 - First liners/1st pair defenders/#1 goalies
110 - Second liners/2nd pair defenders/borderline #1 goalies D
100 - Third liners/3rd pair defenders/ #2 goalies
90 - Fourth liners/7th defenders

Sure, some of the bottom teams shouldn't have players that are better than borderline second line-third line players for the top teams, but I just cant stand it how trashy Liiga is currently. Every time Finnish players are dropping to the lower leagues because there are so many AHL players or retired NHL enforcers that are coming to Europe and are dominating with their CA. I hate it. I know I'm repeating myself but Liiga is borderline unplayable at the moment.

[CJ]

I don't know who was the last one who researched Liiga.

We did new standards for all leagues CA a year or two ago, I think we ended up with 80-130 CA for Liiga.

If no one has researched Liiga in a long time those players has probably CA from when they played in their youth teams/Mestis etc.

You could volunteer for Liiga researching and help getting that league fixed.

[Manimal]

Unfortunately, we have not had anyone researching Finland. Only transactions IIRC

You are more than welcome to help out and I can help you get started sometime next week (going away for most of this week)

[Jykke]

Does TBL have official Discord channel?

And yes, I might be interested to help with Liiga ratings. I just want to know how much does the researcher have to say about the ratings, how much would the players change in the final version of the database after I have rated them?

I have some friends that are also interested joining me to research and rate Finnish players.

[archibalduk]

Does TBL have official Discord channel?

No I'm afraid we don't. Communication is usually via our Research Forum (to which we give researchers access). This is preferred over email and PM because it allows experienced researchers to respond rather that it resting just on Manimal.

]And yes, I might be interested to help with Liiga ratings. I just want to know how much does the researcher have to say about the ratings, how much would the players change in the final version of the database after I have rated them?

I have some friends that are also interested joining me to research and rate Finnish players.

That would be great. We leave it to researchers to rate the players - so you can have as much of a say as possible. The only restriction is that ratings should fall within the guideline ranges for the league in question (we have a table of ranges in the Research Forum). Manimal will check that the ratings generally appear within the expected range (i.e. to check that there are not players who appear to have overly high or low ratings) - but that is the extent of the restrictions/controls. Obviously there are exceptions to the general guidelines and a player might deserve higher or lower ratings than the guidelines allow - we assess that on a player by player basis.