Lidas Rosters 2009/10 - Mistakes/Omissions/Tweaks/Etc

[Stastny26]

MOD NOTE: Message removed at original poster's request. - B72

[Stastny26]

hahahaha, I'm the idiot, have loaded old base and looked there changes.
Excuse me.

Tomorrow I will write about the found errors in new base, my previous message remove please.

[adawxawx]

for the next DB release, would it be possible to make a seperate DB without any transactions, but only updated prospects?

thank you Lidas, you da man

[WallyWallcakes]

First off, let me say THANK YOU to Lidas and everyone else who helped to make this roster update possible.

My question is, why are the Springfield Falcons in the ECHL? The only reason I ask is that I started a season as the Edmonton Oilers and with two ECHL teams, there's not enough room to place all my players on the two farm teams available. (Springfield and Stockton)

While I understand I can loan out all of my players to various AHL teams, it's a bit of a pain for the extra prospects that I DO have. Is there any way to give the Oilers a couple of different AHL teams as a farm affiliate, like in EHM 2005?

I only ask because it's nice to be able to send your players to the AHL back and forth, rather than waiting to get them back from loan...and having them play in the ECHL as opposed to the AHL might not be as good for their development.

And quick question, why are Rochester and Springfield now in the ECHL?

Thanks again for all of the work Lidas and co. Great job. Can't wait to get things going full tilt once again!

[Systemfel]

And quick question, why are Rochester and Springfield now in the ECHL?

Not enough spots in the AHL.

[WallyWallcakes]

And quick question, why are Rochester and Springfield now in the ECHL?

Not enough spots in the AHL.

Hmmm...interesting. Thanks for the quick response!

[Lidas]

First off, thanks to Lidas for the awesome work. A couple of things I noticed for the Wings. I know I might be a noob about things but here it goes...

Daren Helm is listed as a 13 speed, with all of the hype about him, I would think he is at least a 18. If Datsyuk is a 17, I would think Helm would be as fast if not faster.

Erricson's shot is underrated I believe. I have heard reports his slap shot can touch triple digits.

Finally, looking at Brendan Smith, with a 7.5 c on hockeysfuture seems a bit underrated in the game.


Player ratings are for the most part a matter of opinion and this is just my .02, as I said thanks Lidas!

I didnt touch Smith, but Helm got a speed boost, and Ericsson got a better gun.

[Lidas]

Regarding tweaks, I'll give my view of my favorite team IF Malmö Redhawks:

Jani Hurme is struggling and has been injured a lot, he's nowhere as good as he was before and should be downgraded a lot. Meanwhile, Markus Svensson has been the best player for Malmö and should be upgraded quite a lot.. one of the best, if not the best, keeper in SEL-2.

Svensson: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=1746
Hurme: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=2681

Svensson goes up... and Hurme goes down.

[Lidas]

i want to thank you on your work lidas, but i have a few opinions.
for the game not to try and sign every ufa goalie you should set most starting goalies this season with ca 150 and over.
examples of goalie with to low ca is
craig anderson colorado
mike smith tampa
dan ellis nashville
pascal leclaire ottawa
semen varlamov washington.
ilya bryzgalov phoenix
jonas gustafsson toronto

and loui eriksson of dallas play rw, fabian brunnström plays rw
phil kessel is a rw/lw/c
danny briere is a C/rw
shane doan is a rw/lw

The goalies are mathematically based on their last year stats, so Ill leave them as they are. Player positions have been updated.

[Lidas]

Really quick thing:

Cam Fowler doesn't appear in the draft. In fact, I can sign him as an 18-year old defenseman with a 1-2 dman potential

I have no ideas why the game does like this. He is created the same way as all other players. I have double-checked him, and can't find anything weird. Sorry, but there is nothing I can do about him

Actually, it's quite simple to fix this. All you have to do is create a clone of him and delete the original Cam Fowler and it works. I just did it myself, worked perfectly.

Interesting info about the NTCs though, kind of silly actually how hard it is to make a player with an NTC. Thanks for letting me know though.

Good idea, Ill try to work around the issue in this way. I also had problems with Mikael Backlunds salary (Whichever amount I set, he still gets only 450K). He can probably be fixed the same way.

[Lidas]

for the next DB release, would it be possible to make a seperate DB without any transactions, but only updated prospects?

thank you Lidas, you da man

Sorry mate, but keeping one database updated is hard work enough.

[Lidas]

First off, let me say THANK YOU to Lidas and everyone else who helped to make this roster update possible.

My question is, why are the Springfield Falcons in the ECHL? The only reason I ask is that I started a season as the Edmonton Oilers and with two ECHL teams, there's not enough room to place all my players on the two farm teams available. (Springfield and Stockton)

While I understand I can loan out all of my players to various AHL teams, it's a bit of a pain for the extra prospects that I DO have. Is there any way to give the Oilers a couple of different AHL teams as a farm affiliate, like in EHM 2005?

I only ask because it's nice to be able to send your players to the AHL back and forth, rather than waiting to get them back from loan...and having them play in the ECHL as opposed to the AHL might not be as good for their development.

And quick question, why are Rochester and Springfield now in the ECHL?

Thanks again for all of the work Lidas and co. Great job. Can't wait to get things going full tilt once again!

IRL AHL has 29 teams, but in the game it only has spots for 27 teams. I chose to relegate Rochester and Spingfield because they are the two teams who finished last in the previous season.

[Canuckk]

I have no ideas why the game does like this. He is created the same way as all other players. I have double-checked him, and can't find anything weird. Sorry, but there is nothing I can do about him

Actually, it's quite simple to fix this. All you have to do is create a clone of him and delete the original Cam Fowler and it works. I just did it myself, worked perfectly.

Interesting info about the NTCs though, kind of silly actually how hard it is to make a player with an NTC. Thanks for letting me know though.

Good idea, Ill try to work around the issue in this way. I also had problems with Mikael Backlunds salary (Whichever amount I set, he still gets only 450K). He can probably be fixed the same way.

Yeah, it should work for that as well. Also, there are actually many players currently in the DB that are eligible for the NHL Entry Draft in real life but are UFAs at the age of 17-19 in the DB. If you go to Player Search and look for UFAs and sort by age, you'll see there are quite a few of them. Aside from Cam Fowler, there is also Stanislav Galiev as well as many others who end up being signed by NHL teams right away (I've seen several play NHL games at 17). I think this can be fixed using the method I described above, but I guess it'll take a bit of time.

One more thing: I usually don't comment too much on player ratings, but Jonathan Cheechoo is one that I just have to bring up. He WAS once a 50-goal scorer, but now he is reduced to a washed-up third-liner - I know his ratings were still toned down from last season, but I feel that they are still far too high based on his abilities over the last 2 seasons. His wristshot of 18, for example, is still far too high - I'd reccomend maybe a 14 or 15. I mean, the guy has talent, but he just can't seem to get it together and be effective, and it's been the case for over 2 seasons now, so I think a lowered rating is due for him.

I also feel guys like David Jones (Colorado), Steven Stamkos (Tampa), Ryan O'Reilly (Colorado), Craig Anderson (Colorado) and Michael Del Zotto (NYR) are underrated at the moment, while Alex Tanguay (Tampa) is somewhat underrated.

Couple of other notes:

*Ales Hemsky should also have a lowered consistency rating - it's currently a 14, and yet he is a very streaky player in reality.
*Rick DiPietro's current injury proneness rating is far too low - I believe it is currently an 8 or 9, when it should be around a 14 or 15.
*Steve Bernier's current influence is a little too high at 14, while Henrik Sedin, Willie Mitchell and Ryan Kesler all have influences that are slightly too low (especially Henrik Sedin's, considering he is currently wearing an 'A' when his influence is lower then Daniel Sedin's at 10).

[halljoh2]

first off, great work, the db is brilliant... cant imagine how much work was put into this....

as an avs fan, just a few things ive noted about the team in EHM:

Anderson is way underrated as many have pointed out, same with O'Reilly, Galiardi and Jones, they should be able to function at the nhl level at the start of the game.

On the flip side, Hannan is a beast in the game,while in real life he is at best a solid second pair guy.
Pressing seems overrated as well.

Other than that, observations on a random Player: Halifax Mooseheads Konrad Abeltshauer, he seems to have been given pretty generic prospect ratings for an okay defenseman, IRL he is extremely talented offensively but weak defensively, maybe bump up shooting/passing and lower hitting/pokecheck? This from stats and my own observations (watching the mooseheads live)

Thanks for all the work...

[Lidas]

Actually, it's quite simple to fix this. All you have to do is create a clone of him and delete the original Cam Fowler and it works. I just did it myself, worked perfectly.

Interesting info about the NTCs though, kind of silly actually how hard it is to make a player with an NTC. Thanks for letting me know though.

Good idea, Ill try to work around the issue in this way. I also had problems with Mikael Backlunds salary (Whichever amount I set, he still gets only 450K). He can probably be fixed the same way.

Yeah, it should work for that as well. Also, there are actually many players currently in the DB that are eligible for the NHL Entry Draft in real life but are UFAs at the age of 17-19 in the DB. If you go to Player Search and look for UFAs and sort by age, you'll see there are quite a few of them. Aside from Cam Fowler, there is also Stanislav Galiev as well as many others who end up being signed by NHL teams right away (I've seen several play NHL games at 17). I think this can be fixed using the method I described above, but I guess it'll take a bit of time.

One more thing: I usually don't comment too much on player ratings, but Jonathan Cheechoo is one that I just have to bring up. He WAS once a 50-goal scorer, but now he is reduced to a washed-up third-liner - I know his ratings were still toned down from last season, but I feel that they are still far too high based on his abilities over the last 2 seasons. His wristshot of 18, for example, is still far too high - I'd reccomend maybe a 14 or 15. I mean, the guy has talent, but he just can't seem to get it together and be effective, and it's been the case for over 2 seasons now, so I think a lowered rating is due for him.

I also feel guys like David Jones (Colorado), Steven Stamkos (Tampa), Ryan O'Reilly (Colorado), Craig Anderson (Colorado) and Michael Del Zotto (NYR) are underrated at the moment, while Alex Tanguay (Tampa) is somewhat underrated.

Couple of other notes:

*Ales Hemsky should also have a lowered consistency rating - it's currently a 14, and yet he is a very streaky player in reality.
*Rick DiPietro's current injury proneness rating is far too low - I believe it is currently an 8 or 9, when it should be around a 14 or 15.
*Steve Bernier's current influence is a little too high at 14, while Henrik Sedin, Willie Mitchell and Ryan Kesler all have influences that are slightly too low (especially Henrik Sedin's, considering he is currently wearing an 'A' when his influence is lower then Daniel Sedin's at 10).

Thanks for finding the problem, and also for finding the solution. I'll work on it and your other suggestions when I get back from work today (Gotta go soon). As for the underrated players - the reason is that they are all based on the 2008/9 season and not the current one.

[Lidas]

first off, great work, the db is brilliant... cant imagine how much work was put into this....

as an avs fan, just a few things ive noted about the team in EHM:

Anderson is way underrated as many have pointed out, same with O'Reilly, Galiardi and Jones, they should be able to function at the nhl level at the start of the game.

On the flip side, Hannan is a beast in the game,while in real life he is at best a solid second pair guy.
Pressing seems overrated as well.

Other than that, observations on a random Player: Halifax Mooseheads Konrad Abeltshauer, he seems to have been given pretty generic prospect ratings for an okay defenseman, IRL he is extremely talented offensively but weak defensively, maybe bump up shooting/passing and lower hitting/pokecheck? This from stats and my own observations (watching the mooseheads live)

Thanks for all the work...

Thanks for pointing this out, I'll get right on it tonight...

[CircularTheory]

Quick question:

I did a scouting report (twice with available scouts) on my Wild prospects and heres what I got:

Tyler Cuma (-8) = 5-6 potential
Nick Leddy (-7) = 5-6 potential
Matthew Hackett (-7) = Third string goalie
Marco Scandella (-7) = 5-6 potential

The Wild top prospects seemed to have the proper potential ratings but it seems the reports give a different evaluation. Why is that?

But also to add, there is something wrong with Tyler Cuma. Cuma misses alot of games on the Ottawa 67's, not from injury but as a healthy scratch when in real life, he is the captain.

[Canuckk]

Good idea, Ill try to work around the issue in this way. I also had problems with Mikael Backlunds salary (Whichever amount I set, he still gets only 450K). He can probably be fixed the same way.

Yeah, it should work for that as well. Also, there are actually many players currently in the DB that are eligible for the NHL Entry Draft in real life but are UFAs at the age of 17-19 in the DB. If you go to Player Search and look for UFAs and sort by age, you'll see there are quite a few of them. Aside from Cam Fowler, there is also Stanislav Galiev as well as many others who end up being signed by NHL teams right away (I've seen several play NHL games at 17). I think this can be fixed using the method I described above, but I guess it'll take a bit of time.

One more thing: I usually don't comment too much on player ratings, but Jonathan Cheechoo is one that I just have to bring up. He WAS once a 50-goal scorer, but now he is reduced to a washed-up third-liner - I know his ratings were still toned down from last season, but I feel that they are still far too high based on his abilities over the last 2 seasons. His wristshot of 18, for example, is still far too high - I'd reccomend maybe a 14 or 15. I mean, the guy has talent, but he just can't seem to get it together and be effective, and it's been the case for over 2 seasons now, so I think a lowered rating is due for him.

I also feel guys like David Jones (Colorado), Steven Stamkos (Tampa), Ryan O'Reilly (Colorado), Craig Anderson (Colorado) and Michael Del Zotto (NYR) are underrated at the moment, while Alex Tanguay (Tampa) is somewhat underrated.

Couple of other notes:

*Ales Hemsky should also have a lowered consistency rating - it's currently a 14, and yet he is a very streaky player in reality.
*Rick DiPietro's current injury proneness rating is far too low - I believe it is currently an 8 or 9, when it should be around a 14 or 15.
*Steve Bernier's current influence is a little too high at 14, while Henrik Sedin, Willie Mitchell and Ryan Kesler all have influences that are slightly too low (especially Henrik Sedin's, considering he is currently wearing an 'A' when his influence is lower then Daniel Sedin's at 10).

Thanks for finding the problem, and also for finding the solution. I'll work on it and your other suggestions when I get back from work today (Gotta go soon). As for the underrated players - the reason is that they are all based on the 2008/9 season and not the current one.

Okay, thanks. And yeah, I understand why you generally base it only on previous season stats, but even so, some of the players I pointed out - Cheechoo, Anderson, Tanguay, Hemsky, etc - I feel should still be changed based on previous stats alone. Anderson really had a career year last season and I feel was underrated without even considering his fantastic start with Colorado. Cheechoo's scaling back has really been necessary ever since the original DB, since his numbers have just gotten worse and worse every season, to the point where he puts up third-line stats most of the time. Tanguay, even with his injuries last season, was not the offensive force that he is rated as being in this DB, and has struggled to stay consistent last season as well as this season. Hemsky has always had trouble being consistent, so that's not really new.

I understand that young players in the midst of breakout seasons or on streaks that aren't proven yet should not be jumping the gun and overrating them based on very little time to prove themselves. However, certain players are clearly underrated to a degree that is, even in the worst-case scenario for a player (as in a really bad season for that player), they are still going to out-perform their in-game counterpart any day. I think Del Zotto and O'Reilly are 2 good examples of this. Del Zotto, as of right now, is rated to be a player who still needs several more years of junior and minor-league seasoning before breaking into the NHL. In reality though, Del Zotto has already proven that he is not only NHL-ready, but that he is ready to produce at a high caliber. Even if he were to tail off right now and finish with maybe 30 points (really a worst-case scenario for him right now), he'll still out-perform his in-game self any day. The same thing goes for O'Reilly - right now, his in-game counterpart is rated as someone who wouldn't reach the NHL until about 22 or 23 - and yet not only has he managed to secure a permanent roster spot at age 18, he has managed to produce at a near-PPG pace and maintain a huge +/- rating.

Now I'm not saying that these players need to recieve huge rating boosts now - all I'm saying is that they need at least a slight boost in their ratings to reflect their downside for this season. I don't think the PA needs to be changed for any of these guys right now, but I think their CA and some of their attributes should at least recieve slight boosts in order to reflect reality a little more without risking overrating them in the case that they tail off as the season wears on. I'm more or less trying to reach a compromise so that both upside and downside of each of these players is reflected in their ratings.

[empach]

Matt Greene of the LA Kings could use a leadership boost. He's wearing the A and I remember reading (on TSN's site I think but I can't find a link) when they signed him to his extension that they believed him a potential future captain.
However, Kopitar and Brown are the Captain and other Assistant and they both have low leadership ratings so it could just be the team has picked young leaders that they want to grow into the roles.

[Canuckk]

Oh yeah, a couple of names that need to be fixed:

*Semen Varlamov is now Semyon Varlamov (he officially changed his name this past summer)
*Pierre-Luc Leblond-Letourneau is actually supposed to be Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond
*Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers is now just Jeff Deslauriers (he dropped half his last name over the summer as well)

[thehab]

ive gone over every prospect to change a few to the way i rank them,and the one that i noticed that was off according to how u rate them is carl klingberg of the atlanta thrashers,he is rated 6.5 c by hf.com,and in the game is rated as a -8 ...he should be a -6,-7 at the very best.he was the only one that i noticed,prolly just a typo.other then that,i have a question.i noticed that u said u didnt implement any of the contract extensions.im just curious as to what harm that would have caused,im considering going over it and doing them all,but not if its gonna mess something up.also i just wanted to say thank u for all the work u put in,i know that just doing prospects and tweaking ratings has taken me 10+ hours,so the amount of time u put in is just crazy.also wanted to say thank you to everyone thats helping me out with my tweaks by posting ommisions on here.

[thehab]

Oh yeah, a couple of names that need to be fixed:

*Semen Varlamov is now Semyon Varlamov (he officially changed his name this past summer)
*Pierre-Luc Leblond-Letourneau is actually supposed to be Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond
*Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers is now just Jeff Deslauriers (he dropped half his last name over the summer as well)

also,im not 100 % sure,but im like 90% that its magnus paarvarji-svensson.........not svensson-paarjarvi

[Aquilani]

Oh yeah, a couple of names that need to be fixed:

*Semen Varlamov is now Semyon Varlamov (he officially changed his name this past summer)
*Pierre-Luc Leblond-Letourneau is actually supposed to be Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond
*Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers is now just Jeff Deslauriers (he dropped half his last name over the summer as well)

also,im not 100 % sure,but im like 90% that its magnus paarvarji-svensson.........not svensson-paarjarvi

His name is Magnus Pääjärvi-Svensson. Canuckk can you upload your db where you've fixed Cam Fowler? Please, thanks

[Canuckk]

Oh yeah, a couple of names that need to be fixed:

*Semen Varlamov is now Semyon Varlamov (he officially changed his name this past summer)
*Pierre-Luc Leblond-Letourneau is actually supposed to be Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond
*Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers is now just Jeff Deslauriers (he dropped half his last name over the summer as well)

also,im not 100 % sure,but im like 90% that its magnus paarvarji-svensson.........not svensson-paarjarvi

His name is Magnus Pääjärvi-Svensson. Canuckk can you upload your db where you've fixed Cam Fowler? Please, thanks

Sure thing. My version of the DB has a couple of other tweaks I wanted to add (ie. Luongo's extension) but yeah, I can upload it, no problem. It'll have to be tomorrow though, I don't have time to do it tonight.

[thehab]

just went over positions and found a few that seem to be worng.i didnt go over everyone,just looked at team reports and these were the ones that caught my eye.all the correct positions are from yahoo,which is usually pretty spot on for positions due to the fantasy pools.


bobby ryan from rw/lw to lw/rw
joffrey lupul from rw to lw/rw
alexander frolov from rw to lw
patrick o'sullivan from c to lw
mike comrie from rw to c
patrick marleau from c to lw
pierre marc bouchard from c to lw
alex semin from lw to rw
brooks laich from c to c/lw
tomas fleischmann from c to lw/rw
sergei samsonov from rw to lw
vaclav prospal from c to lw
bryan little from c to rw
nik antropov from c to c/rw