How's it going in EHM 1? What team are you?

sluice · Post by **sluice** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:06 pm

dabo wrote:What did you do in order to have Nylander develop well? In my game not much seems to happen after almost three seasons playing in the AHL.

Funny thing, I'm not the one that had him developed.
Basically I traded Nylander for Toffoli, in my first year.
Then, for the following seasons, I desperatly tried to get Nylander back. But He had a 5* interest rating and the Kings didn't want to move him whatsoever.

I managed to land him last season(in 2018), and he was basically too good to play in the AHL anymore. L.A finally agreed to move him (his interest rating was down to 4*)

So, I wouldn't despair in your case, he only became good enough for the NHL during the 2017-2018 season. He did develop well, but he's far from McDavid skills too...

About developing players, I'm not the go to guy for this and there is a thread on the subject already, but what I do:
-As soon as the season is over (when the 23 man roster limit is no more), I bring all my good prospects in the NHL and I make sure that they are all under my Summer training regimen (basically everything is set to Intensive, except goaltending..)

Also, I don't think there is a guarantee that Nylander will become a 1st line in every game. In my case, he sure is close to one, but he might develop into a second line guy, in yours.

About Toffoli hasn't developed more that he already is at the beginning. He's already good, but he didn't become great. He's still a consistent 50 goals scorer, even though his 17 wristshot attribut hasn't changed.

Hockey123 · Post by **Hockey123** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:04 pm

How do you get good player in a trade without scrap your team??

Each time I make an offer that is reasonable according to me or even if I think computer have advantage in the deal, They respond with a ridiculous offer! Example I have start a new game with Canadiens and I have offered Jared Tinordi and Alexei Emelin to Sharks for Brent Burns and they respond with this offer:

Burns + Pick 2 2016
vs
Brandon Gallagher + The rights of Fucale and Scherbak + First round pick 2015

This is just one example among many other and its not like if Burns have an incredible saison with his 10 points in 51 games...

And while we're there, little question for you. Have you noticed if young players grow up during the season or its just during the offseason?

Post by **Peter_Doherty** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:12 pm

Your offer is worse then your counter-offer. Burns is an elite offensive D-man and you offer a pylon and a marginal prospect for him, if you really think that's a reasonable offer for Burns then you need a reality check

Hockey123 · Post by **Hockey123** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:23 pm

Peter_Doherty wrote:Your offer is worse then your counter-offer. Burns is an elite offensive D-man and you offer a pylon and a marginal prospect for him, if you really think that's a reasonable offer for Burns then you need a reality check

Ten points in 50 games when you play first defensive pair and first Powerplay units(with Marleau, Thornton and Pavelski) I' don't think that worth really more than a 22 years old D-man who are NHL ready(Unless the players reach their peak at 22 years old in that game)!

Post by **Peter_Doherty** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:25 pm

You can't judge Burns on 50 games though, your offer is terrible... Tinordi is a marginal prospect no matter how much you twist and turn it, he is probably a #6, maybe a #5, the TOP of his range is a shut down guy ala Marc Staal after the eye injury and Emelin is a pylon on a bad contract...

ujlien · Post by **ujlien** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:26 pm

I'm a big hockey fan, but never played EHM. ATM i've got to say it's really fun, really my kind of game.

As a French Canadien, it was obvious to choose the Montreal Canadian. I've just won the stanley cup in my first year. It was no easy feat tho.
Finished the season in 7th, i had to play Tampa Bay in the first round. I was behind 3 games to none, and managed to pull the upset in overtime on the 7 games. After taking 15 penality in the fist two games I had to change my strats.. but i've only see a real change in my 4th games. From there i've Won in 7 over Boston, in 5 vs the Caps, and in 7 VS King who entered the Finals with only 1 loose. In 23 Games Max Pac was my go to guy finishing the playoff with 17 goal.

I did not do many trades tho :
I did get rid of Gonchar, Mitchell, Allen for picks and prospect
(got defensemen Folin, Harrington, Prospect Seth Griffin)
Got from the waivers Jordan Nolan (who score 17 goals in 40 regulars season game on my 4th line)
But my biggest trade was to deal my 2019 1st, 2018 2nd, Right to Brent Lernout; Right to Fucale for Duncan Keith.

Duranium · Post by **Duranium** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:43 pm

Peter_Doherty wrote:Your offer is worse then your counter-offer. Burns is an elite offensive D-man and you offer a pylon and a marginal prospect for him, if you really think that's a reasonable offer for Burns then you need a reality check

Burns an elite off D-man ???....so much for your reality check

Post by **Peter_Doherty** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:47 pm

Duranium wrote:
Peter_Doherty wrote:Your offer is worse then your counter-offer. Burns is an elite offensive D-man and you offer a pylon and a marginal prospect for him, if you really think that's a reasonable offer for Burns then you need a reality check
Burns an elite off D-man ???....so much for your reality check

Because it's not like he's 2nd in scoring for D-men right now with 59 points

Offensively he's elite, i stand by that...

Post by **philou21** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:47 pm

Can't really judge Tinordi now as he's still young and d-man his size takes alot of time to develop sometimes but the trade is still average imo but the counter-offer is ridiculous as well.

If you look back when Burns got traded to SJ "They acquired defensemen Brent Burns and a second-round pick in return for forward Devin Setoguchi, prospect Charlie Coyle and a first-round pick." Both offers are kinda off the chart but hey, alpha game like I said and having a perfect trade AI is almost impossible.

And do you really compared IRL stuff with his in-game stats?

Post by **Peter_Doherty** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:52 pm

I agree that the counter-offer is clearly over the top, but if i was a GM IRL and got your offer for Burns i would also get cranky and tell you to give me EVERYTHING in my counter-offer just out of spite aswell

So maybe the Trade AI is really spiteful?

sluice · Post by **sluice** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:57 pm

Duranium wrote:
Peter_Doherty wrote:Your offer is worse then your counter-offer. Burns is an elite offensive D-man and you offer a pylon and a marginal prospect for him, if you really think that's a reasonable offer for Burns then you need a reality check
Burns an elite off D-man ???....so much for your reality check

I stand by Peter_Doherty...

Have you ever seen Burn play in real life?
I did.. He was far more dangerous than anyone else on the ice: Thornton, Marleau, Couture, etc.

He's really big and surprisingly fast for his size.

Duranium · Post by **Duranium** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:28 pm

sluice wrote:
Duranium wrote:
Peter_Doherty wrote:Your offer is worse then your counter-offer. Burns is an elite offensive D-man and you offer a pylon and a marginal prospect for him, if you really think that's a reasonable offer for Burns then you need a reality check
Burns an elite off D-man ???....so much for your reality check
I stand by Peter_Doherty...

Have you ever seen Burn play in real life?
I did.. He was far more dangerous than anyone else on the ice: Thornton, Marleau, Couture, etc.

He's really big and surprisingly fast for his size.

I´ve seen him more than enough and if the NHL would call the rules by their own books (the NHL is a bush-league for 2 years now) no one, again, no one, would even call him close to elite - he just looks terrible on D against speedy, skilled players - remember 2-3 years ago when refs REALLY called crosschecking, interference and hooking by d-men. He´s intimidating, has a booming shot and size, which is enough in todays National Obstruction League to be considered elite. But hey, to each its own

Post by **Peter_Doherty** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:34 pm

I didn't say he was an elite defensively, i said he was elite offensively... He is among the top-5 D-men in the league if you go just by offense...

Post by **philou21** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:49 pm

It's only his first 50+ pts season of all his career and he's -7. I mean he's good yeah but elite? Should wait a couple more 50+ pts seasons to say that IMO.

Post by **Peter_Doherty** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:58 pm

philou21 wrote:It's only his first 50+ pts season of all his career and he's -7. I mean he's good yeah but elite? Should wait a couple more 50+ pts seasons to say that IMO.

He's on 0.6 PPG over the last 5 seasons, he's elite offensively... Definitely top-5 Offensive D-men imo, not up to Subban or EK65 but after that Burns is in the mix... We kind of derailed this thread though

Post by **philou21** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:15 am

Agreed.

CanucksFan1993 · Post by **CanucksFan1993** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:22 am

Daelh wrote:
umwoz wrote:
CanucksFan1993 wrote:First year as GM of Arizona Coyotes. Currently sitting 14th in the Western Conference.

Trades so far:

Shane Doan to FLA in exchange for Vincent Trocheck

Connor Murphy + Prospect to the Wild in exchange for Darcy Kuemper

Anthony Duclair to Oilers in exchange for Brad Hunt and Ben Scrivens

Mike Smith, Anton Karlsson + prospect to Flyers for Brayden Schenn and Luke Schenn

Max Domi, Christian Dvorak, Mark Arcobello to Senators in exchange for Victor Bartley, Alex Chiasson and Mike Hoffman (The board wasn't too happy)

Basically a rebuild is in motion. Gave up some promising prospects for young roster players, but I have a plan in place to get this team back into the playoffs (Assuming board doesn't fire me before then)

I'm also willing to move my 1st round pick of this year. Not that interested in either McDavid or Eichel. Team's bigger need is a top two defensemen. So if I can get a young potential top six forward and a top ten pick, might pull the trigger.
Rather curious that your rebuild starts with trading away your top 2 prospects. I'm sure you've got a plan in mind though.

I agree with you about McDavid and Eichel though. In this DB they are rather underrated, neither one is an NHL quality player by the second season. The draft as a whole could use a bit(and I'm sure is getting a bit) of work. Guys like Marner and Strome don't really even look like NHL prospects.
Yeah I thought the same thing. Why do you start your rebuild by trading away perhaps two of the best prospects in the game? Domi is a beast in my save and racking up 80 points every season and has 20 in Speed, stickhandling, passing, deking, creativity and so on. Duclair is a 0.80 point per game producer as well. Hoffman and Chiasson is pretty rubbish, I know, I had them with Senators for years. Hoffman has spent the last 4 seasons in the second division in Russia with Lokomotiv Yaroslav reserve team. Chiasson is 0.50 point per game on the same line as Crosby.

Max Domi

Thought I'd give an update. Domi and Duclair are developing into quality players for their teams. Though, my Coyotes are doing pretty good and are in a playoff position, so I don't really regret trading them.

Hoffman is playing on my 4th line, but he can also slot in on the 3rd (He can also be put on the powerplay and kill penalties). And honestly, he's a really solid depth guy in my save. During the first round of the playoffs against the Anaheim Ducks, he was probably my best player. In 7 games he had 3 goals and 5 assists while playing 4th line minutes (ended up winning that series, btw).

Chaisson is a 60 point guy and he's a beast on the powerplay, so I can't complain. Bartley didn't pan out though (was a healthy scratch most nights), I traded him for a 3rd round draft pick in the off season.

Brad Hunt was also traded in the off season for a draft pick. Scrivens is a backup to Kuemper, though he might be moved at the deadline (wants to be a starter).

sluice · Post by **sluice** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:32 am

About McDavid, I always though his development was disappointing.(In the first years anyway...)But now, in my current save, he's really developing into a franchise player. I'm in 2019 by the way. He has a bunch of 20 attributes.

Only his scoring ability is only decent but not great, yet..
He still managed to hit 99 points on his rookie season. (2018-2019)

Funny thing, I got him as a Free Agent prior to that season. Tampa Bay never signed him.

Post by **philou21** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:34 am

You should put that in the bug section, who would let that kid go! Did they had cap space problems?

CanucksFan1993 · Post by **CanucksFan1993** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:34 am

sluice wrote:About McDavid, I always though his development was disappointing.(In the first years anyway...)But now, in my current save, he's really developing into a franchise player. I'm in 2019 by the way. He has a bunch of 20 attributes.

Only his scoring ability is only decent but not great, yet..
He still managed to hit 99 points on his rookie season. (2018-2019)

Funny thing, I got him as a Free Agent prior to that season. Tampa Bay never signed him.

How did Tampa even get him? They were pretty good in my save lol.

Post by **Peter_Doherty** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:35 am

CanucksFan1993 wrote:
sluice wrote:About McDavid, I always though his development was disappointing.(In the first years anyway...)But now, in my current save, he's really developing into a franchise player. I'm in 2019 by the way. He has a bunch of 20 attributes.

Only his scoring ability is only decent but not great, yet..
He still managed to hit 99 points on his rookie season. (2018-2019)

Funny thing, I got him as a Free Agent prior to that season. Tampa Bay never signed him.
How did Tampa even get him? They were pretty good in my save lol.

Probably with Phillys pick i presume, a mistake in the DB means Tampa has Phillys 1st rounder

Blue @ngel · Post by **Blue @ngel** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:41 am

CanucksFan1993 wrote:
sluice wrote:About McDavid, I always though his development was disappointing.(In the first years anyway...)But now, in my current save, he's really developing into a franchise player. I'm in 2019 by the way. He has a bunch of 20 attributes.

Only his scoring ability is only decent but not great, yet..
He still managed to hit 99 points on his rookie season. (2018-2019)

Funny thing, I got him as a Free Agent prior to that season. Tampa Bay never signed him.
How did Tampa even get him? They were pretty good in my save lol.

They got Eichel in my save with the Philly pick. Crazy center depth for the next decade

Post by **MWE** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:13 pm

St. Louis retired after getting injured for 5 months

he was doing really well too Kane is back from injury now so I have both Sedins and Kane up top

Kane got 2 points on his debut

umwoz · Post by **umwoz** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:01 pm

Got kinda dry playing through a season that's already done(essentially) in real life. So I'm gonna sim to April of the first season(unemployed) and just take whoever's last place.

koekefix · Post by **koekefix** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:21 am

First season finished with Pens. Won the Stanley Cup easily, only lost 1 game against Bruins (conference finals).
Had 63 wins (league record), Most team points: 133 (league record), 16 wins in a row (league record), Most goals scored: 431 (league record)

Top 6 of most points in the league are 6 of my players: Tatár (139), Nyquist (137), Crosby (133), Hornqvist (129), Perron (124), Malkin (110)
Ehrhoff just didn't make the top 10 (otherwise 7 of 10 players in most points would have been from my team). Ehrhoff had 93 points as a D-man.

Won 10 awards: Art Ross (Tatár), Maurice Richard (Nyquist with 71 goals), Norris (Ehrhoff), Lady Bing (Tatár), King Clancy (Crosby), Jack Adams (Tortorella), Plus-Minus (Tatár with +/- 78), Hart (Tatár), Conn Smythe (Crosby), Bill Masterton (Perron).

4 of my players made the NHL 1st All Star Team: Ehrhoff, Tatár, Crosby, Nyquist
2 of my players made the NHL 2nd All Star Team: Perron, Malkin
1 player of my team made the Rookie All Star Team: Gibson

After this amazing season I decided to rebuild. Traded Letang (injury prone), Fleury (not good enough ingame), Sutter (too expensive), Dupuis (too expensive), Downie, Lovejoy and some prospects for 3 first round picks, 2nd round picks (2), 3 round picks (3).

Draft day got me McDavid, Konecny and Crouse in first round

Ehrhoff didn't want to sign a new contract (was becoming slow as well) and so I have a lot of cap space to rebuild.

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