Official NHL Season 2016-2017 Thread

[nino33]

Having played around with the expansion tool a bit it feels like they'll have good goalies, pretty good D-men but awful forwards, barring trades (both Vegas trades and other teams trading so they can 'save' other players).

I hope for their sake they go full analytics atleast when it comes to drafting Forwards, or they'll have trouble scoring.

What does "full analytics" mean?

If it turns analytics from "a" tool into "the only" tool that seems like a bad idea to me

Players have personalities and that needs to be factored in too IMO, as well as factoring in situations that a player was in when he obtained the stats that analytics are based on; for example, forwards that aren't exposed to the very best defense (because teammates are better than them) won't necessarily perform the same when on an expansion team.....hockey is not an exercise in math

[CJ]

[Peter_Doherty]

nino - Stop taking everything 100% literal, you love marking words and i think ur actively trying to misinterpret what i write.

What i obviously meant is that i think they should look heavily into analytics, not ONLY into analytics.
Then again, i think every team should do this, but even more so Vegas as an expansion team.

[Aladyyn]

I see no reason to leave Larsson exposed. I'd be pretty mad if Tim Murray did it.

[nino33]

nino - Stop taking everything 100% literal, you love marking words and i think ur actively trying to misinterpret what i write.

What i obviously meant is that i think they should look heavily into analytics, not ONLY into analytics.
Then again, i think every team should do this, but even more so Vegas as an expansion team.

Sorry to upset you Peter. I was trying to clarify; I have no idea what "marking words" means, ands quoting someone and asking them what they mean is NOT in any way misrepresenting someone...everything else beside asking you what you meant was my opinion, which I clearly indicated with the words I used (I don't understand why you didn't actually write what you obviously meant in the first place)

P.S. I'm done with this now, if you choose to carry on in any way I'm not taking part

[Peter_Doherty]

Yeah whatever, i'm done with you.

[nino33]

My wife continues to follow hockey more now that she has a hockey pool team (that's in first place!)

Last night we listened to the 2nd period of the Oilers/Avalanche game...the game went from 2-2 to 3-2 Avalanche and I shut it off and went to sleep thinking the Oilers had likely lost, never imagining I'd wake up and see they scored 4 goals in the 3rd and won 6-3! McDavid continues to put points up, and the Oilers are still in a playoff spot! My wife and daughters really enjoyed the experience when the Oilers were last in the playoffs...a decade ago! Even I did; I'm not really an Oilers "fan" but I don't hate them like I did in the 80s - it really was a good feeling for many weeks in the city when the Oilers made their surprise run to the Final in 2006

Also noticed Auston Matthews broke out of his slump with 3 points last night (after getting only 3 points in the previous 13 games)

[nino33]

Any idea what the contracts of the above players add up to? Anywhere near the Salary Floor?

[CJ]

No idea.

[Bam_Margera]

Any idea what the contracts of the above players add up to? Anywhere near the Salary Floor?

Yes.

METHODOLOGY

- Stay as close as possible to the salary cap lower limit ($43.8 million) to be able to act as a life raft and take advantage of other team’s cap issues. Keeping the payroll low also leaves space to sign unrestricted free agents.

- Maximize the number of defencemen taken - Button selected 13 - as they are the game’s best currency in trades.

- Maximize the number of 2018 expiring contracts - including eight players who become unrestricted free agents after one season - to take advantage of a potentially strong unrestricted free agent class, which could include John Tavares, John Carlson, James van Riemsdyk, Kyle Turris, Cam Fowler, Martin Jones and James Neal.

Button’s team ended up at $45.03 million, approximately $1.2 million above the minimum threshold. The average age of the 30 players selected is 25.5 years old. All salary, contractual and games played requirements – for instance, players who have played 70 games over the last two seasons - were met.

[nino33]

Any idea what the contracts of the above players add up to? Anywhere near the Salary Floor?

Yes.

METHODOLOGY

- Stay as close as possible to the salary cap lower limit ($43.8 million) to be able to act as a life raft and take advantage of other team’s cap issues. Keeping the payroll low also leaves space to sign unrestricted free agents.

- Maximize the number of defencemen taken - Button selected 13 - as they are the game’s best currency in trades.

- Maximize the number of 2018 expiring contracts - including eight players who become unrestricted free agents after one season - to take advantage of a potentially strong unrestricted free agent class, which could include John Tavares, John Carlson, James van Riemsdyk, Kyle Turris, Cam Fowler, Martin Jones and James Neal.

Button’s team ended up at $45.03 million, approximately $1.2 million above the minimum threshold. The average age of the 30 players selected is 25.5 years old. All salary, contractual and games played requirements – for instance, players who have played 70 games over the last two seasons - were met.

Thanks for clarifying

[ClassicSwarley]

Exciting game between the Flyers and Rangers. If points were awarded by who 'deserved' it, I feel the Flyers would've deserved at least one, but fair play to the Rangers for capitulizing on their chances. King Henrik, huh?

[Saapas]

Just watched as Jumbo-Joe missed the first penalty shot of his career. Also Bödker fell when he was on a breakaway and Isles lead after 1st.

[Primis]

Button's expansion draft is a pipedream. A lot of players he chose that there's really not much chance of being exposed in the first place.

[Peter_Doherty]

Exciting game between the Flyers and Rangers. If points were awarded by who 'deserved' it, I feel the Flyers would've deserved at least one, but fair play to the Rangers for capitulizing on their chances. King Henrik, huh?

Rangers were outplayed but Hank being amazing and Flyers D being atrocious and we ended up with a win anyway.

[CJ]

Just watched as Jumbo-Joe missed the first penalty shot of his career.

What? Sounds like he hasn't taken a lot? I don't recall him ever taking one though.

Rangers were outplayed but Hank being amazing

You better hope he gets to that form again.

[Aladyyn]

I'm not even going to waste my energy at being frustrated with Bylsma anymore.

Oh who am I kidding I'm going to keep complaining for as long as he's coaching my team.

[Saapas]

Jumbo is 2/3 now after this game What an ending to the game! Greiss was on fire before the first SJ goal and the second goal he should have taken but after that he got himself back to tracks and made really nice saves. I don't know how it is even possible for Jumbo to have only taken 3 penalty shots with his games played

[A9L3E]

I don't know how it is even possible for Jumbo to have only taken 3 penalty shots with his games played

For a large part of his career there were no penalty-shootouts in NHL. Three penalty shots is still an abnormally small number, though.

[Ukko]

https://twitter.com/penguins/status/802 ... wsrc%5Etfw

Looks nice to me ! Better than CHI and STL winter classic..

[nino33]

I haven't had cable in a couple/few years now, and so haven't had access to NHL hockey unless it was on YouTube (last year's playoffs were, and games from October this year were, but I think that's it!).....I have no interest in paying for TV/cable and with everything digital now I've had no access to Hockey Night in Canada (with everything digital now an antenna won't bring in CBC, even though it's supposed to be free), but I saw today that CBC has an app now that allows Hockey Night in Canada to be watched! And my work (school principal) gave me an IPad at the end of the last school year, so now I can watch HNIC!


I'm watching the pregame show now (Leafs/Capitals coming up), and they just said an interesting stat...before Barry Trotz became the Capital's Head Coach, Washington's winning percentage when Backstrom/Ovechkin were held pointless was below 30% and now since Trotz has been HC their winning percentage when Backstrom/Ovechkin were pointless is over 50%

Apparently the Capital's are really making an effort to try to have more balanced scoring and avoid overplaying Ovechkin during the season, likely to try to keep him well rested before the playoffs (he played less than 16 minutes the last two games and less than 18 minutes in 5 of his last 8 games; so far this year's his ATOI is 18:10) & commentators were saying Ovechkin was saying that he was OK with it as long as he played more when it really mattered

Maybe this is the year that Ovechkin and the Capitals get past the 2nd round in the playoffs?

[nino33]

I wasn't impressed at all with Ovechkin on Saturday night...still seems to spend most of the game standing in the offensive zone waiting for a pass, and otherwise has little to no impact on the game (I really think the Capitals would be better off if he played the game of hockey, instead of just standing there waiting for a onetimer attempt)


Seems the firings in Florida connect at least in part to a different perspective on analytics, with the linked article saying "The Panthers' ownership and other team officials want the club to rely heavily on advanced statistics, and Gallant and Kelly were not the biggest fans of the analytics craze" http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/flor ... d-gallant/

[Alessandro]

I wasn't impressed at all with Ovechkin on Saturday night...still seems to spend most of the game standing in the offensive zone waiting for a pass, and otherwise has little to no impact on the game (I really think the Capitals would be better off if he played the game of hockey, instead of just standing there waiting for a onetimer attempt)

You could write Team Russia instead of Capitals and you'd be even more spot on

[philou21]

Seems the firings in Florida connect at least in part to a different perspective on analytics, with the linked article saying "The Panthers' ownership and other team officials want the club to rely heavily on advanced statistics, and Gallant and Kelly were not the biggest fans of the analytics craze" http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/flor ... d-gallant/

The team wasn't doing that bad lately I think they were 6-4 in their last 10. Trigger happy GM if you ask me. There might have been differences between them but Gallant did an amazing job last year as the Panthers HC. I'm curious how the year will end for them now.

[Peter_Doherty]

Seems the firings in Florida connect at least in part to a different perspective on analytics, with the linked article saying "The Panthers' ownership and other team officials want the club to rely heavily on advanced statistics, and Gallant and Kelly were not the biggest fans of the analytics craze" http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/flor ... d-gallant/

The team wasn't doing that bad lately I think they were 6-4 in their last 10. Trigger happy GM if you ask me. There might have been differences between them but Gallant did an amazing job last year as the Panthers HC. I'm curious how the year will end for them now.

It wasn't about the results, it was because Gallant and Kelly didn't buy into the philosophy that management (and the owners) have for the team.