Editing league rules and structures in EHM 1

[nino33]

In English the use of the word won't means Riz is actively choosing to not tell; it does not mean he's restricted from saying (that would be the word can't), nor does it mean that he might be busy/hasn't had a chance to respond yet (and we know he's got a young family/limited time to work on EHM)

The point I made was "give him some time" (I waited months, you waited hours) & I don't think Riz is actively choosing to hide information/not explain things

Ok, sorry. I meant that yeah, we need him to step in once he's free, absolutely I didn't mean that he doesn't want to help us.

I realize that I can be a pain with my pickiness, and publicly I want to say I figured that's what you meant/just wanted it clarified/I certainly respect your efforts regarding EHM (and know you respect mine...and that we both respect Riz!)

I'll go away now and get back to DB editing (working on the 1992 DB!), where pickiness is totally a good quality

[sensaa]

Hey guys, so it's working for me, French magnus league with Play-off/Relegation and the French division 2 with all connection related to the Magnus league (promotion).

I have some question now:

- I used editor v 0.1.3, if i update to the newer version 0.1.4, will i have to redo some things that were changed or im fine(-7 -2 etc)?

- When then game will be updated to 1.4, doest that mean we will have to do everything again from scratch in the editor? Like re make the magnus league playable, schedule etc ?

Thanks

[archibalduk]

You can use the new version of the Editor and the newer v1.4 database without losing any data.

[szczepek25]

Someone tried to add lower finnish leagues?

[BKarchitect]

Hi, so I'm adding the USHL (archi I know you maybe have already done this but it's good practice). Everything is working fine except that my Eastern Conference Playoff (Stage 3) bracket and Western Conference (Stage 4) bracket don't run simultaneously even though I have the structures and schedule dates set up the same except for a couple of the Linked Stage options (WC draws from Stage 2 not Stage 1 and also after the WC is complete, Stage 5 (the Cup Final) is triggered.

It still all works in the end but it's not letting Stage 4 run concurrently with Stage 3 in the actual in-game playoff schedule. Stage 3 (EC) finishes and then Stage 4 (WC) kicks off...then after the WC wraps up, the Cup final is played...like a month later than I have set in the schedule dates in the editor.

EASTERN CONFERENCE (STAGE 3)


EASTERN CONFERENCE (STAGE 3) SCHEDULE DATES


WESTERN CONFERENCE (STAGE 4)


WESTERN CONFERENCE (STAGE 4) SCHEDULE DATES


Dates in Game Look Good:


But while the Eastern side semi-finals start on the right date (April 14 and April 29 for the EC finals), the western side is blank until the eastern side wraps up, pushing the Cup Final, schedule for May 13th until like the end of May. Is there an option somewhere that tells the game to run two Stages simultaneously? I've checked with other competition playoff structures and I can't see what I am missing. I know the game is viewing Stage 3 as something to be run before Stage 4 kicks off right now.

[Alessandro]

Can you upload DB?

[Named]

I think we still need more information what exactly mean options "Stage to draw teams from", "Fate to draw teams from", "Additional stage to draw teams from" and how they connected with Stage screen "Team Picking Rules". I'm getting hundred of sims to solve errors and that information will be much helpfull. Playoff Round Rules screen also seems connected to these options.

[marksbros6]

I think we still need more information what exactly mean options "Stage to draw teams from", "Fate to draw teams from", "Additional stage to draw teams from" and how they connected with Stage screen "Team Picking Rules". I'm getting hundred of sims to solve errors and that information will be much helpfull. Playoff Round Rules screen also seems connected to these options.

Would be very useful to have more info on this aspect.

I'm trying to model the English Premier League more accurately and it's relation to the EPL Cup. At the moment it's two separate competitions, where in real-life the first two league fixtures between each team double-up points-wise to determine who qualifies for the cup.

Would like to have a 'preliminary round' of the EPL that qualifies 4 teams for a separate EPL Cup 'finals'. The league would then have a 'main' league-stage with the results from the prelim-league carried over, and the playoffs being the next stage on from this.

While not perfect it would model the EPL more accurately and reduce the number of games in the schedule to be more realistic. Failing epically to even get the game to load without crashing at the moment though?

[Named]

marksbros6, we have similar situation in Poland. After 20 matches in First Round 4 best teams qualify to semifinals in Polish Cup. Unfortunately Riz said this draw is not doable yet in database

[BKarchitect]

Can you upload DB?

Here it is:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mmuul89x1odp6 ... 2.rar?dl=0

Like I said, everything appears to work except the Western Conference playoffs (and Cup final) won't start until the Eastern Conference playoffs are done for some reason and although I created a USHL Phase I (Entry) Draft - I can't get it to work. Draft options appears very limited at this point so I'm not sure if that is something that can work yet or not. The game randomly adds a few very young players to various USHL teams every year right now. But the flow of players into the league is not great, especially after the batch of real players in the DB passes through. Then again I don't play with a huge database or all the leagues turned on for quicker simming so that may affect things.

[Alessandro]

Thank you, I'll try to play around with it a bit.
Unfortunately drafts are hardcoded and they can't be added or removed from leagues.
The "randomly added new guys" are the regens.
I think that the game first needs more American players, second probably we need to set the "training" attribute for the clubs.

[marksbros6]

marksbros6, we have similar situation in Poland. After 20 matches in First Round 4 best teams qualify to semifinals in Polish Cup. Unfortunately Riz said this draw is not doable yet in database

Cheers Named. Looking at the structure I thought it might be a long-shot.

[sensaa]

Hi again!

Do you guys have any crash when looking at: Euro Champions Cup > information > league dates, (in game) ?

Since my Magnus league + Division 2 are working, i tried to add the NCAA, modeled as the french magnus league so simple structure for now, everything seems to be okay except for one thing. I have 14 teams in the ncaa league and the game is putting 11 of them in the euro champions cup group stage at the end of august (What the Dickens?)... and i don't even know why the game is putting 11 american junior team into an european cup, i checked everything in the editor and nothing explain why

Someone have an idea?

[janks]

What's the continental licence status for them in editor? Did you aply corrections regarding continental licence suggested by archi?

[sensaa]

What's the continental licence status for them in editor? Did you aply corrections regarding continental licence suggested by archi?

They are set to -none-, tried to put -invalid- but look like i can't and i don't know why.

Look like creating a new team from scratch put that team directly into the european champions cup group stage. I tried to add 3 teams to the Big 10 Conference and only these 3 teams appears in the ECC group stage, not the 6 teams already present in the BIG10, the only difference as far as i can see between them is former team have -invalid- continental licence and newly created can't have -invalid-.

I don't think so, where is that suggestion?

[Alessandro]

Can you upload DB?

Here it is:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mmuul89x1odp6 ... 2.rar?dl=0

Like I said, everything appears to work except the Western Conference playoffs (and Cup final) won't start until the Eastern Conference playoffs are done for some reason and although I created a USHL Phase I (Entry) Draft - I can't get it to work. Draft options appears very limited at this point so I'm not sure if that is something that can work yet or not. The game randomly adds a few very young players to various USHL teams every year right now. But the flow of players into the league is not great, especially after the batch of real players in the DB passes through. Then again I don't play with a huge database or all the leagues turned on for quicker simming so that may affect things.

I tried playing around with various settings without much luck. I guess the problem lies in the fact that the Eastern conference playoffs are correctly labeled, while the Western conference ones are "playoff semifinals".
Now, understanding how to fix it is another thing but I'll try pushing my luck.

[andda715]

Back from Vacation I began looking at HockeyEttan again.
Here are some ideas about how and what Fate is, it is mostly guess and intuition with some investigation sprinkled on top...
Note that some or all of it might be entirely wrong due to misunderstandings on my part.

All of the below probably depends on league structure, I have used a league with two conferences.
If not indicated otherwise all fields except explicitly mentioned are false in Team Picking Rules and Fate Rules

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"Check for no fate" and ("From Prev Stages Top Bye" or "From Prev Stages Bottom Bye")
 => 
Use "Fate" as second stage to pick from (i.e. here: two concurrent initial stages)

Note: It seems like "Check for no fate" works well when "Next upper/lower stage to trigger" is set to 0 (???)

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"From Prev Stages Use One Stage" and "From Prev Stages Seeded"
 => 
Fate=1 => Pick teams from "Stage to draw teams from" and "default" fate (original teams/other ???)
Fate=2 => Pick ... and "End Places"=Promoted
Fate=3 => Pick ... and ... =Playoff (top)
Fate=4 => Pick ... and ... =Playoff (bottom)
Fate=5 => Pick ... and ... =Relegated

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"Additional stage to draw teams from"
 => 
Seems to indicate the stage in the lower league to use when picking teams.
Use together with "From Lower League [Top Places|Promotion Places|Playoff Winners]"  

Please correct any thing you have found that are incorrect above or feel free to to add more info in the same/similar format.

I almost had HockeyEttan West Spring (8 teams), HockeyEttan South Spring (8) and AllEttan South (8) working.
But probably ran into same issue as another poster recently indicated: didn't manage to get both West and South Spring to run concurrently.
Instead they are (most likekly???) scheduled in sequence. I ran into issues with the Relegation league in HockeyAllsvenkan team picking phase crashing before this though.

Currently I'm simulating with AllEttan South (8) together with HockeyEttan SW Spring (16) but have not got the latter to "trigger" successfully yet.

[Named]

I fixed this USHL problem with 2 stages didnt run together. I added value 4 on Stage 2 "Next upper stage to trigger" and it worked? We have working model of USHL. After we will get 1.4 update USHL will work better as junior teams will sign players. I have main question. Did You create USHL from beginning or copied any other league model? I uploaded database for working USHL. Also thanks for Alessandro minor fixes before.

http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/M9QrgxDZ/file.html

[andda715]

Hi again,

Here is a version with working HE South, HE West, AE SW, HE South Spring, HE West Spring.

http://www14.zippyshare.com/v/foSPRY1m/file.html

Promotion to/relegation from HA still fails when picking teams for some reason.

[BKarchitect]

I fixed this USHL problem with 2 stages didnt run together. I added value 4 on Stage 2 "Next upper stage to trigger" and it worked? We have working model of USHL. After we will get 1.4 update USHL will work better as junior teams will sign players. I have main question. Did You create USHL from beginning or copied any other league model? I uploaded database for working USHL. Also thanks for Alessandro minor fixes before.

http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/M9QrgxDZ/file.html

I started from a copy so that may be the issue. Thanks for the upload, I'll check it out to see what I did wrong. It might be just what you said, I'll try value 4 on stage 2 next upper stage to trigger. Thanks Named!

Thanks also Alessandro! Love that everybody is working together to figure things out!

[BKarchitect]

That is good info on "fate" andda! I still don't know what fate = 103 is though, that seems to appear in Championship and Cup finals - I assume it is something to do with telling the game to pick the winners of the round before based on where it is used.

[EArk]

Hi again,

Here is a version with working HE South, HE West, AE SW, HE South Spring, HE West Spring.

http://www14.zippyshare.com/v/foSPRY1m/file.html

Promotion to/relegation from HA still fails when picking teams for some reason.

I will send you a private messenger so that I can write in Swedish, which I assume that you speak

[Named]

Hi again,

Here is a version with working HE South, HE West, AE SW, HE South Spring, HE West Spring.

http://www14.zippyshare.com/v/foSPRY1m/file.html

Promotion to/relegation from HA still fails when picking teams for some reason.

I think problem is that You created in HE NE and HE SW as different leagues. Did You get any teams picked for Stage 3 in both leagues? Not sure that will be possible to draw between two different leagues I dont know how works promotion in british NIHL league but maybe it might be helpfull?

[andda715]

Yes, I think so too. Especially as promotion works when I set it to only chose teams from (e.g.) HE SW.
Sadly the amount of teams make 1.3 crash if run as a single league.
If lucky, Riz might have had time/possibility to fix it for next release.

EDIT: Will have a look at NIHL when I have another opportunity to look at this (next week most likely)

[andda715]

I will send you a private messenger so that I can write in Swedish, which I assume that you speak

Sadly my post count is still too low that I can't reply to pms, but if you send a pm with some other contact info (mail?) I'll send you all info I have.
Perhaps anyone knows of a "better" place to store stuff than zippyshare?