EHM The Blue Line

Another good idea, save for the same issue. More code that would make game run slower, that is not necessarily something completely crucial to the game. That being said, I would love to have a way to keep all the stats for the old dudes who are in geriatric homes (or dead)

My biggest wishes both have to do with player usage. Being able to control Zone Start percentages and being able to control line usage by minutes and not simply by Normal/Overload etc..

That and maybe separating aggressiveness in the tactics from physicality.

Not sure if this has been addressed yet, but I noticed the salary cap is still in effect once the play-offs start. The cap should not apply after the regular season. That way, when you put a player on IR and acquire a deadline acquisition, you won't go over the cap once the player comes back. Chicago did that this season with Vermette when Kane was out injured.

A retirement screen would be nice with who retired and who is now a coach?, I did get a random news item about one of my players retiring and that was that. Perhaps like fm they could give you a warning about it?

When I play in leagues like Liiga or DEL and when want to sign Russian player in Liiga or finnish in DEL in 99% he won't sign because he is "concered about diffirences in language and lifestyle". That should be fixed...same for Eliteserien - russian players, sometimes Czech players won't sign in DEL as well.

Filip Croatia wrote:When I play in leagues like Liiga or DEL and when want to sign Russian player in Liiga or finnish in DEL in 99% he won't sign because he is "concered about diffirences in language and lifestyle". That should be fixed...same for Eliteserien - russian players, sometimes Czech players won't sign in DEL as well.

Names, teams (if possible screenshots) and I'll report it to Riz

Permanent draft scouting by a scout like it is with the leagues. Maybe the possibility to even assign him to the different entry drafts.

Alessandro wrote:

Filip Croatia wrote:When I play in leagues like Liiga or DEL and when want to sign Russian player in Liiga or finnish in DEL in 99% he won't sign because he is "concered about diffirences in language and lifestyle". That should be fixed...same for Eliteserien - russian players, sometimes Czech players won't sign in DEL as well.

Names, teams (if possible screenshots) and I'll report it to Riz

It was the case in EHM 2007 Didn't play euro leagues so far in EA

batdad wrote:That takes up a fair bit of space in the game. Makes it run slower as guys retire, and that is why it is not there.But yes, it would be cool.

We can do a hybrid of what OOTP does, sort of like a modified version of the "Delete players who never reached the majors" option. In this case, EHM would automatically delete any players who didn't make it to the NHL or some other major leagues, EXCEPT if they're coaches or a record holder or are notable in some other way (award winners perhaps). Maybe we can also give the player the option to save every player's record if they want if they have the disk space for it.

Could do, except that it does not work for hockey. Lots of guys play in leagues that are NOT the top leagues and would want stats for guys who played on the fourth line in BRitish leagues, and junior tier 8 leagues, and Japanese leagues and even Jamaican leagues as was seen from a poster earlier this year. Total glut on the game speed.

Maybe this has already been talked about... but what about in the awards section having the trophy history updated.

One of the features that I am really missing is the ability to retain salary while trading away players. When I start my game as the Rangers GM, I have Keith Yandle at 6.25m which puts me in a bit of a tight spot cap-wise. Yandle was acquired with Arizona retaining 50% of his salary.

In Football Manager, there was a feature where in the Italian leagues, teams could be 50% owner of a player. Something similar could be used to write the code to get the salary retention to work, I think.

lafontaine83 wrote:Maybe this has already been talked about... but what about in the awards section having the trophy history updated.

I think that's a database issue (IIRC we're waiting for the next version of the Updater to be able to do the needed editing)

Amazing Kreiderman wrote:One of the features that I am really missing is the ability to retain salary while trading away players. When I start my game as the Rangers GM, I have Keith Yandle at 6.25m which puts me in a bit of a tight spot cap-wise. Yandle was acquired with Arizona retaining 50% of his salary.

In Football Manager, there was a feature where in the Italian leagues, teams could be 50% owner of a player. Something similar could be used to write the code to get the salary retention to work, I think.

This will eventually happen. Takes alot of time to code, and it could mess badly with Trade AI in the game. So they have to make sure the trade AI is in good shape before allowing $ to switch hands. All it will be in game most likely is the transfer of the portion of the salary being kept on one team to the other, and that will count against the cap. So in Yandle case, Phoenix will transfer the $ they kept to the Rangers along with Yandle. Not sure if we will be able to do it over a number of years or how that will work, but I bet some day Riz has in there. But let's get all the other things working before this shows up.

Team's salary IQ could use a boost. I really want this as a priority. For instance, Chicago, off season year 1, 80m salary, well over cap. I look at contracts. Oh. They resigned Vermette and Richards to 4m contracts. Smart. Plenty of teams still do this and then mortgage their star players at reduced costs on trade blocks.

Which leds to - Value shouldn't be reduced for an injured player or a player on the trade block. Period. Why is an injured player less valuable unless they are injury prone? And being on the block doesn't mean fair value shouldn't be aimed for.

Small thing, but I miss being able to check the Team Reports of my farm teams. In 2007, even without AHL and/or ECHL on Enhanced, you could still check in on your farm depth charts and Team Reports. It was another tool to figure out where your prospects stand. It doesn't seem you can anymore.

One thing I've always wanted to see in managerial games was a feature I found in PS2 madden'08. You would put together a package of players and/or picks and ask AI teams for a return, while specifying what you're looking for. For ex: 2 AHL forwards+2nd round pick all selected for a depth D(or whatnot) and then hit "look for trades". AI would automatically come back with possible trades. You could even specify min. overall rating you wanted (maybe specify attributes in EHM). I'd LOVE something like that.

First post here. I've been playing NHLEHM07 since 2007. I think months of my life have been devoted to it. I believe my addiction to it negatively affected and wrecked atleast one long term relationship, my first "real" job, numerous college classes and a few friendships. Oh well!

I just picked up EA on Steam and have gotten through a good bit of my first season and have done a lot of reading on here as well. I'd like to add my wishlist as well. Once again, I haven't gotten that far yet, so disregard anything that may be different for EA from EHM07 that I haven't encountered yet.

-2013 NHL CBA waiver rules.
-I've noticed in my first season that AI teams have been freely putting players with 7-digit cap hits on waivers, so I'm assuming the "Wade Redden/Scott Gomez rule" (player buried in AHL has salary-(league minimum+$300k) still count against cap) isn't in the game.
-In my first season no one seems to get claimed, so I can't verify this, but there is also the new rule where a player that is claimed from waivers can't be waived by his new team for 30 days.
-Also, incorporate the "unconditional waivers", which are what really allows you to release a player.
-Lastly, incorporate the rule where a player that gets signed by an NHL club after spending part of the year in a European league has to be waived before stepping back into the NHL in the same season.

-Get rid of random offseason retirement of players still under contract.
This is unrealistic as teams would get penalized if a player that signs a contract after 35 retires before their contract is up. I got annoyed in EHM07 when a 35-40yo player under contract would retire mid-offseason and there would be no one left in the UFA market to fill their spot. The only NHL players retiring should be players on under-35 contracts retiring from injury, impending UFA's or actual UFA's.

-Make buyouts/offer sheets factor in
In all my years of EHM07, I never once saw a buyout happen, or AI send an offer sheet. Instead, AI teams bury "Star" players in the AHL, and unsigned RFA's end up in European leagues. I also noticed AI teams regularly waiving and then releasing ELC players, which in real life would drive the NHLPA into a frenzy.

-Incorporate Free Agent "Groups" correctly
In EHM07, players had to reach a certain number of NHL games to become a UFA, otherwise they would be an RFA forever. I could even sign a 28YO player from the SEL and have them be an RFA for a few years. All players should hit UFA status at 27, or 25 if they have played enough games. They can also hit it at 25 if they fit into Group V status.

-Put more emphasis on training camp "try outs"
I always shut off "Open Camp", because it just gives you no-name UFA's that have all bad attributes. Instead, unsigned UFA's could approach teams looking for a try out, and/or user/AI can put out a "feeler" looking for a certain position to come try out and have NHL level UFA's approach.
-Also, have it announce that well known players are trying out for certain teams and send out news about their progress. You could also even have recently retired players attempt "come-backs" (IE Theo Fleury/Claude AND Mario Lemieux/Hasek etc.)
-You should also be able to sign junior level "try outs" that are in camp if they perform well and not have to wait till next year to get them on the team.

-Give impending free agents value
I always tried to trade impending RFA's at the draft using "Offer to All", but it would come back with no interest. You can't tell me that if in real life Holland offered a soon to be RFA Nyquist at the draft that no GM would be interested.

-"Staff" should have an attribute for "willingness" to make deals/favor certain players
What I mean is that GM's should have some sort of rating that controls how frequently they may shake things up as an AI. For example, on an attribute scale from 1-20 (1 being never makes trades/signings, and 20 being the Flyers), Ken Holland would be a 3, while Sather/Holmgren/Shero would be an 18... You can also set coaches/GM's to have tendency to favor young players or veterans. You could also have an attribute that illustrates whether they like to use an enforcer or not/etc.

-Incorporate ELC "slide" rules

I'm sure I'll have more as I continue to binge on EA....

Ability during games or when watching highlights to do "instant replay," i.e. have normal VCR controls for playback, so I can jump back 10 seconds and watch that goal against again, you know, so I know which of my players to chew out for missing their assignments!

Welcome aboard Shelby. YOur list for NHL additions is awesome. I cannot speak to some of the waiver stuff, as I have not bothered paying attention to it in my game. I have not personally sent anyone down of big $. But those additions look awesome.

This one:

-Lastly, incorporate the rule where a player that gets signed by an NHL club after spending part of the year in a European league has to be waived before stepping back into the NHL in the same season.

. It seems to me that there is a deadline date on this, not sure if there is anymore or if this is the case all throughout the season. Ie is it different if Radulov comes in December than after the trade deadline (to throw an example out there--the Tim Thomas thing as well re playoff eligibility). Again have not seen in my game so unsure.

Retirement--Well...that is kind of an issue for sure. Except I am not sure that although it has not happened yet, that it will not. Roberto may still retire while under contract for example, and if he does....his cap hit should hurt the Canucks. I am thinking that right now this is not the case as if for example Streit retires in Philly...I do not know for sure, but doubt Philly will get dinged with cap hit etc. That being said, I think it is possible that guys retire before contract expires and teams do end up punished by cap hit. Not a very long time since that rule changed in real life, and I Think we need more real life experience to say that noone will retire unless UFA or injured.

Buyouts--yeah absolutely. I am hopeful that the money being added (Greyed out still ) in the trade window is for holding salary in trades, and I am also hopeful that the buyout thing becomes a real option....although it is there already I am not sure it hurts your salary cap the way it should. Again..not tried it so unsure.

Offer sheets are there as well, but not sure how effectively they can be used in the game. although....not too many guys have switched teams, but has inflated some contracts such as O'Reilly.

On this...regular contract negotiation...Loving the fact that AI are offering more than what player is requesting and there can be bidding wars, even though really only one offer per team and you do not know what the other teams offered. I lost out on Abdelkader and/or Lucic because other teams offered more $. Would love to see an agent report which tells us how much other team offered, or whether we are competitive or not.

RFA age-yes this needs to be repaired. Great point.

try outs-yeah that would be cool. As it is now, I go around looking for guys my scouts think are cool and if not under contract or have no rights I invite quite often if in a position of need. Only ones who do not come are college kids or guys like Radulov who do not want to play in show.
"OFFER TO ALL"--This one I have explained before. This was not designed as a trade for fair value mechanism by SI. This was designed originally in response to guys losing guys on waivers who are spare parts on their team but might be depth guys on other teams. Guys like say for example....Zac Rinaldo. Someone may want him but not going to pay much for him but would claim if waived...the old trade a scrub for a 7th rounder or another scrub.

OFFER TO ALL WAS NOT DESIGNED to get equal value for a top level player or even a mid tier player. So offering Giroux to all, or Read to all...will not get you much in the game.

Is it something that should change? Maybe....but if you are dealing a stud on your team, I think you should have to work for it and not get offered the 1st overall pick in the OFFER TO ALL right off the bat.

GM attribute for trading ---that sounds cool. Would need to flesh out more for sure. Trader Keenan vs developer Cheveldayoff. Interesting. But I am concerned that this would lead to AI making more silly deals and would really have to be worked in. Not deal for sake of deal. ALot of AI already does this. In my game Minnesota has traded away Jason Pominville, traded for Jason Pominville and then waived Jason Pominville.

ELC Slide-this is supposed to be in the game already, but I have not been able to make it happen yet. Mind you only two examples, and not sure exactly how to make it work. Probably have to wait to recall the guy from Junior club and back to club July 1. This apparently should happen on the end of June data update on the game. When it rolls over to the new season.


Those are fine ideas though for the show, this game has so much in it, and needs and can have so much more. Welcome again and thanks for reading around.

Batdad, thanks for the welcome and quick reply.

-For an example of the waiver rule I'm referring to, look at when the Red Wings signed Evgeni Nabokov and then immediately lost him on waivers to the Islanders back in 2011. The rule states that if a team signs a NEW player (not a prospect or player they have rights to IE Radulov) to a contract in a season where that player has already played in a foreign league, they have to first put that player on waivers to bring them back into the league. That is what I am referring to.

There is NO deadline date, it stretches the whole season.

Radulov didn't have to hit waivers, because Nashville already owned his NHL rights and he was technically coming back to finish his contract with them. He was free to join Nashville whenever he wanted. That was a very rare and extreme case. Because he was technically under contract, the trade deadline didn't matter.

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The trade deadline is another good one to point out. In EHM07 you could still add UFA's to your team after the deadline and even in the playoffs and still play them in the playoffs. That is also unrealistic. In the real NHL, a player added to the team after the deadline is ineligible for the playoffs. That would be something to add.
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-For the retirement stuff, I'm referring to what the rules in the NHL CBA actually dictate. Players under a contract that they signed after 35 don't(can't in a way...) "retire" before the contract is up. If they do, their ENTIRE cap hit counts against the team they retired from for the remaining years of the contract. This is why Chris Pronger is still technically on the Flyers roster and on LTIR and not "retired". If he were to officially "retire", Philly would be stuck with his cap hit until his contract is over.

In "real life" NHL, most "off-season" retirements happen in the following ways:
-Announced during (usually toward the end IE Kimmo Timonen this season) their final season of contract that it will be their last
-Announced shortly after final season of contract
-Players contract expires and they take time to decide future and then ultimately retire
-Player unsuccessful in finding new team after contract expires and quietly retires during next season

Rarely do players retire with term left on their contract. Bryan Rafalski did it with the Red Wings, but he could because he signed his contract before he turned 35. Even when injured and done for good, players technically don't "retire". That's why Boston is still dealing with Savard's rights, and Columbus and Toronto juggled Nathan Horton's.

The way EHM does it is entirely unrealistic. If on July 15th 2015 in the real NHL, Shane Doan decides to up and retire, the Coyotes are in the hole for his entire cap hit next season. If it happened in EHM however, his cap hit disappears. Same would go for Luongo.

As for Luongo, the NHL CBA rules say that if he retires the Canucks AND Panthers WILL have to face a cap penalty.

Streit too. He signed his contract with Philly at the age of 35, so Philly WILL HAVE TO have 100% of his cap hit on the books if he retires before his contract is done.

These are all rules in the CBA.

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-As far as the value thing goes, you misread what I meant. I wasn't talking about equal value, I was talking about ANY value. I shouldn't have used "offer to all" to illustrate it. What I meant is that players who are going to become RFA's on July 1st in EHM have zero trade value in the game between the end of the playoffs and July 1st. Not just in "offer to all", but even added to another trade. It'll even say "We have zero interest" in whoever it is. That is unrealistic, obviously depending on the player.

If at the draft this year, Colorado decided to put O'Reilly up for offers (who is an impending RFA this summer), they would get calls from A LOT of GM's. EHM makes it so that teams don't want to touch players with expiring contracts after the season is done but before July 1st. Heck, in real life, it's also not uncommon for teams to deal the rights to impending UFA's at the draft in exchange for late or conditional picks.

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If they want the games NHL play to be as accurate as possible, the developers should read the NHL's standard player contract and the new CBA. Copies of both are available online. All of the rules pertaining to waivers, buyouts and trades etc are listed there.

batdad wrote: This one:

-Lastly, incorporate the rule where a player that gets signed by an NHL club after spending part of the year in a European league has to be waived before stepping back into the NHL in the same season.

. It seems to me that there is a deadline date on this, not sure if there is anymore or if this is the case all throughout the season. Ie is it different if Radulov comes in December than after the trade deadline (to throw an example out there--the Tim Thomas thing as well re playoff eligibility). Again have not seen in my game so unsure.

IRL, that deadline is at the end of the calendar year, IIRC. Once it turns January, you have to be waived if you've played in Europe

Manimal wrote:

batdad wrote: This one:

-Lastly, incorporate the rule where a player that gets signed by an NHL club after spending part of the year in a European league has to be waived before stepping back into the NHL in the same season.

. It seems to me that there is a deadline date on this, not sure if there is anymore or if this is the case all throughout the season. Ie is it different if Radulov comes in December than after the trade deadline (to throw an example out there--the Tim Thomas thing as well re playoff eligibility). Again have not seen in my game so unsure.

IRL, that deadline is at the end of the calendar year, IIRC. Once it turns January, you have to be waived if you've played in Europe

Nope.

"If a player who isn't on a club's reserve list or isn't an RFA plays in any league outside North America after the start of the NHL season, he would have to clear waivers before joining his new team (This is why Evgeni Nabokov, who was a UFA, got claimed by the Islanders when the Wings signed him out of Europe, but why Alex Radulov, who was on the Predators' reserve list when he came back for the playoffs after the KHL season didn't have to go through waivers first)."

Okay on the waiver one.
On the retirement one....absolutely they can retire. That is totally up to the player. With Pronger the Flyers got lucky because he was injured (yeah sure) and went on to the long term IR. This is not something that necessarily has to happen. Luongo cuold retire anytime from the Panthers...and boom Canucks get hit with the contract penalty. Most do happen the way you are saying, but it is still quite probable that we have no idea what will happen with the new CBA and the players with the monster deals that teams are getting hit for..they may very well just retire. Ok on Florida receiving cap penalty on him as well, but still remains that there could be a penalty. BTW--Luongo was NOT 35 when he signed that deal....so it is not the 35 and over thing. Just the deal....if you sign a deal that takes you to a certain point, and you do not play through that deal...cap hit penalty for team that signed you and as you say I guess for the team that trades for you and you are playing for when you pack iti n as well.

And yes it would clearly be good to have this in the game. Will be hell to code though maybe.


Good to know and good example re Nabokov. Wondering if that is still the case under the new CBA or if the post January/deadline deal signings are the issue. As for Radulov....was more talking about what would happen once his rights are gone from Nashville. Maybe I should have used Kovalchuk as he would be a better example.


On the RFA front--now I see. YOu are coming from the idea of trading the opportunity to sign someone before their rights expire. Like Vancouver did with Erhoff and Buffalo way back when. Yeah I agree that is a good idea to put in the game. Trade for the guy whose contract is expiring at season end, and then try and sign him. This is more the case with UFA than with RFA rights. Colorado with O'Reilly had no intent in trading him. They were playing hardball, and the offers sheet came from Calgary in December or whenever it was after the next season had started. Then Colorado chose to match.

The expiring RFA should defiitely still hold value I agree with that.

Please do remember that this is a trial period for EHM and that they are putting the time in to improve it as we go along. It is not perfect we all know that. But it is still very good, and has a few things to work on no question. I actually with the limited time and resources they had before putting this out, and quite pleased with some of the changes.

And of course...there is alot more than the NHL to it.

I agree and want to see the changes you do,....but love the game anyway

batdad wrote:Okay on the waiver one.
On the retirement one....absolutely they can retire. That is totally up to the player. With Pronger the Flyers got lucky because he was injured (yeah sure) and went on to the long term IR. This is not something that necessarily has to happen. Luongo cuold retire anytime from the Panthers...and boom Canucks get hit with the contract penalty. Most do happen the way you are saying, but it is still quite probable that we have no idea what will happen with the new CBA and the players with the monster deals that teams are getting hit for..they may very well just retire. Ok on Florida receiving cap penalty on him as well, but still remains that there could be a penalty. BTW--Luongo was NOT 35 when he signed that deal....so it is not the 35 and over thing. Just the deal....if you sign a deal that takes you to a certain point, and you do not play through that deal...cap hit penalty for team that signed you and as you say I guess for the team that trades for you and you are playing for when you pack iti n as well.

And yes it would clearly be good to have this in the game. Will be hell to code though maybe.


Good to know and good example re Nabokov. Wondering if that is still the case under the new CBA or if the post January/deadline deal signings are the issue. As for Radulov....was more talking about what would happen once his rights are gone from Nashville. Maybe I should have used Kovalchuk as he would be a better example.


On the RFA front--now I see. YOu are coming from the idea of trading the opportunity to sign someone before their rights expire. Like Vancouver did with Erhoff and Buffalo way back when. Yeah I agree that is a good idea to put in the game. Trade for the guy whose contract is expiring at season end, and then try and sign him. This is more the case with UFA than with RFA rights. Colorado with O'Reilly had no intent in trading him. They were playing hardball, and the offers sheet came from Calgary in December or whenever it was after the next season had started. Then Colorado chose to match.

The expiring RFA should defiitely still hold value I agree with that.

Please do remember that this is a trial period for EHM and that they are putting the time in to improve it as we go along. It is not perfect we all know that. But it is still very good, and has a few things to work on no question. I actually with the limited time and resources they had before putting this out, and quite pleased with some of the changes.

And of course...there is alot more than the NHL to it.

I agree and want to see the changes you do,....but love the game anyway

Yes. Luongo did sign before 35, but BOTH Florida and Vancouver pay a penalty if he retires early. It's called the "Cap Recapture Penalty". Look here: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck- ... --nhl.html and here https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/440982011251945472

Yes, they can just retire when they want to, but that doesn't mean the team doesn't see some sort of negative cap implications because of it. And no, Pronger didn't want to retire. He got a serious concussion, and Philly can't let him "officially" retire because they will have his entire cap hit as a penalty for the remaining years of his deal (till he's 44 IIRC).

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The Nabokov rule still stands in the new CBA. If you recall, it was going to happen to O'Reilly if he would've signed the offer sheet from the Flames. Jay Feaster and co. didn't check the rules and it was reported that since O'Reilly was playing in Europe after the lockout season started, he would have to hit waivers if he signed an offer sheet with a different team and didn't return to the Avalanche.

Radulov's rights are still held by Nashville, so the previous scenario still holds.

As for Kovalchuk, his situation is different because he walked away from a huge NHL contract and actually "retired". Before the 2005 lockout, he would have had to finish out his deal with NJ. Instead now, he can't re-enter the league without the consent of every NHL owner after a certain date (2018 I believe). It's a rare case that I don't think needs to be put in the game.

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I was being hypothetical in the O'Reilly case. I wasn't talking about his ordeal between Calgary and Colorado. I was saying IF not WHEN Colorado wanted to trade him. Impending RFA's signing rights have been traded at the draft before. It's not uncommon. I can't think of a specific example, so I used a hypothetical example with O'Reilly at the 2015 Draft (it's a speculated possibility in real life as well).

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I love the game too and I know it's the early access, but this is the "wishlist" and my wish would be to make the roster management as realistic as possible. I'm sure the developers don't mind a few suggestions. I'm certainly not going to hold a gun to anyones head.