1974/75: Nino's Rosters - Mario Lemieux as an 8 year old

[nino33]

Fixed a typo for you

Oops/sorry! I did wonder when writing, and even tried briefly to reword things to avoid the issue...

It's a really very tedious and boring job

I can relate! A lot of my 1974 db work has been mind-numbingly tedious...Your efforts are appreciated!

The colours are sorted

Thanks so much!

[nino33]

...the 27 team AHL and the 17 team CHL will be fully populated with historical players/staff!...
APRIL 29 I've just completed the 27 team AHL (adding 517 more historical players)...

Working on the CHL...currently working on the 5th team (82 more players added so far)

[nino33]

...the 27 team AHL and the 17 team CHL will be fully populated with historical players/staff!...
APRIL 29 I've just completed the 27 team AHL (adding 517 more historical players)...

MAY 11 Working on the CHL...currently working on the 5th team (82 more players added so far)

I've just completed the 17 team CHL (270 more historical players added)...
517 AHL + 270 CHL = 787 more historical players added!


Currently working on adding historical (AHL) staff.....

[archibalduk]

Crikey that's a lot of staff!!

P.S. I may well have the player awards history editing functions ready in about 7-10 days time

[nino33]

Aargh! Disaster has occurred!

Last night I spilled milk on the keyboard of my laptop, and after some initial positive signs (after a couple of hours it worked if an external keyboard was used) now today it’s not working…..it doesn’t look good!

I’ve still got the database and some of my key spreadsheets (emailed to myself), and I’m not giving up completely on my laptop, but I’m thinking I’ll likely have to use an old/small lap top I (fortunately) have access to..…and that means I’ll be starting from scratch in terms of downloading the game, editors, etc! Aargh!

[Primis]

Aargh! Disaster has occurred!

Last night I spilled milk on the keyboard of my laptop, and after some initial positive signs (after a couple of hours it worked if an external keyboard was used) now today it’s not working…..it doesn’t look good!

I’ve still got the database and some of my key spreadsheets (emailed to myself), and I’m not giving up completely on my laptop, but I’m thinking I’ll likely have to use an old/small lap top I (fortunately) have access to..…and that means I’ll be starting from scratch in terms of downloading the game, editors, etc! Aargh!

If it's bad, you could just pull the hard drive out of the failed laptop and connect it to a different machine. It might cost $10 for a kit to connect it or something, but would be well worth it as opposed to the other hassle.

[archibalduk]

If it's bad, you could just pull the hard drive out of the failed laptop and connect it to a different machine. It might cost $10 for a kit to connect it or something, but would be well worth it as opposed to the other hassle.

Absolutely! It's very easy to turn a desktop or laptop hard disk into an external USB drive. They're normally called a 2.5" drive caddy or a 2.5" drive enclosure - like this: http://www.usbnow.co.uk/Hard_Drive_Encl ... _info.html - and here's a basic guide on the different sizes (you'd need a 2.5" one for a laptop drive): http://www.usbnow.co.uk/a12/IDE_Hard_Dr ... _info.html

Some of them use a power supply to power the drive whereas others use two daisy-chained USB connectors on your computer in order to power it. If you don't have two USB ports on your old XP computer then you'd need to look at one with a power supply - otherwise just get whichever you want.

I bought one for about £7 to recover the drive from my old laptop when the laptop's power supply died. It saved me a huge headache!

[nino33]

Thanks! My daughter’s boyfriend is a computer guy and he’ll take a look at it for me (and at the least salvage the hard drive)……I’m already back working on the 1974 db using the older (and much slower!) laptop

Pressing on…

[archibalduk]

Nino - As you might have seen, I have uploaded a new version of the Updater which will allow you to edit the player awards like you wanted. I'm assuming what you're looking to do is mass edit all of the years for each award so that the 1974/75 season appears as 2006/07 in game. If this is the case, you can use the Export function to export all of the player awards. Then you can edit this in Excel (you could use a formula to alter each of the years (including the player DOB years where applicable). Once you're done, delete your existing staff_comp_history.dat (back it up first) and then use the Updater to import your updated spreadsheet.

If you need a hand when you get round to the player awards, let me know and I'll help out.

[luminouscarcass]

Does anyone know if the logos alluded to previously in this thread are available anywhere? Or do any historical logos (besides the NHL/WHL) exist currently? I searched the Downloads and couldn't really find anything.

[nino33]

Does anyone know if the logos alluded to previously in this thread are available anywhere? Or do any historical logos (besides the NHL/WHL) exist currently? I searched the Downloads and couldn't really find anything.

When I started initial testing last summer I used the vintage logo set from CatchUp (http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... =80&t=7005), supplemented by the logos that B. Stinson provided (http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/vi ... &start=650)...and Archi provided some too IIRC

The logos and photos "alluded to in the thread" are likely the great work of XenHL, but she has not publicly released them yet...



Regards

[luminouscarcass]

Thanks! Too bad there's not many historical logos around...particularly for the minor leagues.

[nino33]

Taken from the Testing results/Feedback thread…

Hey guys. Was just wondering if anyone had any plans for an online league using these historical rosters, once they are done, of course. I think that would be wicked. Discuss.....

That's such a good idea! So long as we can overcome the difficulties/instabilities EHM 2007 has with regards to online play...

I love the idea!

[XenHL]

The logos and photos "alluded to in the thread" are likely the great work of XenHL, but she has not publicly released them yet...

The logo pack I made for the 1974 DB has logos for all the teams in the NHL, AHL, CHL, ECHL, OHL, QMJHL and WHL, as well as league logos for NHL, AHL, OHL, QMJHL and WHL (this reminds me I need to do the CHL and ECHL logos yet), including Wales and Campbell Conference logos.

The player photo pack has all the NHL-contracted players and a number of bigger-name Europeans. I may or may not expand this to include juniors and younger players. Over the long term I probably will do this, but it's not my highest priority.

I haven't publicly released them yet because... well, because A, the DB itself isn't publicly available yet, and B, because at the moment the only means I have to distribute them is via email... but if someone can tell me a good place they can be hosted for download, and if Nino gives me the go-ahead to release them, I'll be happy to do so!

[archibalduk]

Wow, that's a lot of logos and pictures.

When they're finalised, you can email them to me (archibalduk AT gmail DOT com) and I will upload to our SkyDrive account and add to the TBL Downloads Page. But like you say, there's no point until the DB is finalised.

[luminouscarcass]

That's great news! The retro look of 70's hockey is one of my favorite things about sports!

[XenHL]

Archibald: That sounds great. As soon as Nino says everything's set, I'll send you the goods!

[nino33]

Testing of version 0.2b is underway!

And much work is continuing to get done on the database...


Much praise to Archi for his EHM Updater!
I myself am quite comfortable using excel to filter/sort to allow effective comparisons, and the Updater allows for this (I save the csv file as an excel file so I don’t lose all the colour fill/font editing I do as I edit; then I save it as a csv file again when I’m done editing and ready to import my work back into EHM!)…..comparing “relative to other players" is now so easy, and mass edits of multiple Attributes take days instead of weeks…

For NHL contracted players I’m going to be going through and further editing individual Attributes like Skating Speed, Passing, Vision, Getting Open, Wristshot, and more + a bit more editing on Work Rate/Consistency (especially Consistency…I suspect some players that are “to good” are so largely because their Consistency is rated to high)…..I find this type of editing a lot of “fun” and very gratifying and the Updater makes it so much easier and faster to do!

I’ll be looking to use the Updater to review NHL players to ensure individual Attributes are in line with overall CA (for example I suspect the Aeros Larry Lund is still “to good” because many of his individual Attributes start much too high for his starting CA)…..and I think some players still need to be better (like Orr) and I think Gilbert Perrault (and probably Robert and Martin too) needs a boost! Again, for me this is the best kind of editing to do!



Editing I’m currently working on is “further editing of AHL/CHL players” – I’ll be adding Draft data, NHL Rights/Contract, and adjusting CA/PA on many of the recently added historical minor pro players

Also completing the prep work for NHL affiliations, including ensuring as many NHL teams as possible have a “sole affiliation” in the AHL - to do this I’m determining some sole affiliations that IRL were shared, and I’m preparing to move many of the recently added historical AHL/CHL players to different AHL/CHL teams (so AHL/CHL players who get an NHL contract/connection will also be on the correct NHL farm team)



Regards

[archibalduk]

Sounds like you're in the zone at the moment! Take care / lots of testing and backups with the affiliation changes - that may well have had some role to play in the crashes we recently encountered.

I also checked in on the Russians…in November 2009, after three full seasons of play, all of the under 20 players whose age I left “unadjusted” this time are in the NHL (i.e. Fetisov is on the Senators at 19, Makarov is on LA at 19, etc) while the older Russian superstars are still in Russia (i.e. 29 year old Kharlamov, 30 year old Yakushev, etc).....I think the next test version will revert back to have the teenage Russians and some teenage Europeans “age 20 at start-up” with lowered CA/PA and Reputation (and those that want to can go in and edit the game at start-up)……I’m intending on adding 20-30 more historical Swedes, Finns, Czechs and Russians to the next version (prep work well underway!), but they will mostly be “veterans” who will be 20+ at start-up already

I can create a CSD-style patch to restrict the number of foreigners that NHL teams can dress. Would this be of any use to solving the "Russian problem"? It would only take five minutes to write and upload such a patch.

I can find time in the not so distant future (i.e. after I have finished more work on the Updater) to see if I can change the limit on the number of foreigners signed. I know where this limit is located, but I just haven't sussed out how to change it successfully yet for the NHL (but I can change it okay for some other leagues).

[nino33]

Take care / lots of testing and backups with the affiliation changes - that may well have had some role to play in the crashes we recently encountered.

100% agreed!

I can create a CSD-style patch to restrict the number of foreigners that NHL teams can dress. Would this be of any use to solving the "Russian problem"? It would only take five minutes to write and upload such a patch.
I can find time in the not so distant future (i.e. after I have finished more work on the Updater) to see if I can change the limit on the number of foreigners signed. I know where this limit is located, but I just haven't sussed out how to change it successfully yet for the NHL (but I can change it okay for some other leagues).

How does the game determine "foreigners" for a League?
Is there a dfference between Europeans and Russians?
Would limiting foreigners to the NHL affect Europeans (like Finns and Swedes) as well as Russians?

I have been hoping the "league rules patch" would work out, and I was certainly intending on experimenting with it...

[archibalduk]

Foreigners would be treated as, I presume, non-North Americans. Alternatively, it might be non-EU nationals... I haven't actually given the it any testing other than seeing how to modify the rule. It would be interesting to see whether it affects Canadian and US teams differently...

When I have some spare time, I'll take a look at how the rule works.

[nino33]

Foreigners would be treated as, I presume, non-North Americans. Alternatively, it might be non-EU nationals

This is what I wondered about...if it's non-EU nationals then I thought maybe the Russians have there own category and if so I hoped I'd be able to seperate the Russians out!

As there are "foreigner rules" in European/Russian Leagues too, I was hoping there might be some options I could use for my own purposes in a potential league patch; in talking with Marek a couple months ago it seemed that OT/SO rules would be hard for me to to modify (remove) but foreigner rules looked more promising...

When I have some spare time, I'll take a look at how the rule works.

Thanks! Much appreciated!

[XenHL]

Foreigners would be treated as, I presume, non-North Americans. Alternatively, it might be non-EU nationals... I haven't actually given the it any testing other than seeing how to modify the rule. It would be interesting to see whether it affects Canadian and US teams differently...

When I have some spare time, I'll take a look at how the rule works.

Ooh, something I can maybe contribute on!

For myself a good while back I hacked stuff up to make the game a "KHL EHM" - swapped out the NHL with the KHL. Of course, I had to expand the KHL to reach thirty teams. To do this, I added a few non-Russian teams besides the ones already in the league.

On my first test play, I was a bit annoyed to see every team stocking up with foreigners - mainly, grabbing all the NHL guys who were now playing in what was the KHL previously. This caused some teams to have practically no domestic players.

So I put a foreigner rule in, IIRC via hex editing the .exe ... this solved the problem in overall terms, in that each team was allowed to have only six foreigners. Fine for the Russian teams... but the Croatian and Polish team I put in were quite hurt by this.

In any event the point I want to make with this is that if you were to put in a foreigner rule onto the NHL, say, six foreigners per team, that would mean that American teams could sign only six non-Americans, Canadian teams could sign only six non-Canadians. So with a 1974 db, this would probably be more favourable to the Canadian teams...

So to sum, I don't think implementing a foreigner rule would be a good idea.

[archibalduk]

Thanks! That's kind of what I feared. I suppose one way around it could be to add the US and Canada to the EU. In fact, the EU is something that might need updating in quite a big way. I need to check, but I don't think free movement of workers came in until 1974. So, depending on what era Nino wants to represent, the EU could be very different from what it is now.

[archibalduk]

Free movement of workers started in 1958 - there's a table here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of ... ber_states

As of 1974 there were quite a few nations that were members of the EU and enjoyed free movement of workers - but nowhere near the number as there are today (it looks like there were eight EU members as of 1974 whereas there are now 27).