TBL Rosters 2014-15 Mistakes, omissions, tweaks etc

[Primis]

I'm not sure how many of these attributes are actually pre-set for these ECHL players, but some thoughts. Some of these guys may be on AHL rosters by default too I guess:

FORT WAYNE
G - Roman Will - I'd bump his Blocker and Glove down a bit. He's almost an extreme Butterfly goalie, he eats up most everything low but seems to be more vulnerable than most to any shot above his waist even. He does not necessarily react with his blocker and glove. It's weird. I've never seen a goalie do that before. He relies very much on squaring up and hoping he can use his shoulders and even his head (he stopped 3 shots with his head one game, 2 of them intentionally -- he literally put his head in the way to do it, just bizarre). Not coincidentally, opponents try to get the puck up on him knowing he can be beat there.

D - Cody Sol - Seems fairly on, but I'd bump his Creativity down a bit. He doesn't seem to possess much of it, and his decision-making is just baffling at times. Rest seems good though, he relies heavily on his size/frame for most things.

RW/C - Shawn Szydlowski - Off Puck maybe needs a small boost. He seems better off the puck than a 6 would indicate. He gets himself into position to score and get chances quite well. Dangerous player in the offensive zone, always have to know where he is.

D - Mikael Tam - Slight boost in Bravery. Dude takes a licking and keeps going to the areas where he knows he'll get pasted to make plays. It's probably one of his strongest attributes of his play. As a team the Komets have a number of guys that shy away and can get intimidated. He doesn't and isn't. He'd get the puck in his own zone though and clear, knowing he was going to get drilled. And then he'd do it again, and again, and again... it doesn't go unnoticed. Opposing fans were starting to feel sorry for him,


KALAMAZOO
D/W - Sam Ftorek - 10 Aggression is not enough for him. He is mean and nasty, getting moreso as he gets even older. Out of the last 6 Kalamazoo games I've seen, he got kicked out of 2 or 3 of them. He regularly gets Unsportsmanlike penalties (though sometimes for lame things like kicking a guy's stick away). He's always in someone's face, and there's not much of anything awful he could do to an opponent that would surprise anyone. Also his Slapshot needs a boost, it's still his best weapon even though it's not quite the howitzer it used to be. 9 should be 13 or something maybe in Slapshot. Even at his age, he's still often Kzoo's best point man option, even when he's playing Forward. Very much appreciate he is listed as at least Competent at 4 of 5 skating positions, he gets moved around a LOT by coaches.

W - Ludwig Blomstrand - Off Puck and Wrist Shot needs decent boosts, slight boost to Stickhandling as well. He has underrated hands in general. His finish is still a bit off but he's learning to. He's not really a dangle guy or anything, but he finds ways to score at the ECHL level, even in heavy traffic, and he goes to the net. Was a 30 goal guy in ECHL this time. Seems to be figuring things out. Would be shocked if he remains in Kzoo next season, seems Utica-bound at least. Probably the best offensive player I've seen VAN have in Kzoo during this affiliation.

G - Joel Martin - Plays the puck a lot to try and push play now, way more than he used to when he was younger. Creativity needs a boost from 1, Stickhandling a slight boost from 5. He's not fantastic at it or anything, but he's not a train wreck and he starts plays. I'd say Hybrid is still a fair description of his style, he's evolved a long ways from his original Unorthodox style. Does good job controlling rebounds and has to, because his d-men did not help him clear much to be honest.

D - Jake Chelios - Positioning now is 5, he's definitely better than that. Everything else seems fairly spot-on.

LW/RW - Lane Sheidl - Has a Off Puck of 10 and maybe should be a little less. Often looks lost away from play. Maybe I'm being a bit harsh on him but that certainly does not come across as one of his strongest Technical attributes.



Again sorry if any of these are randomized, I'm just going by in-game Attributes. These are the guys I really have noticed and taken note from. I have more vague thoughts on guys like say Matt Pistilli and Dane Fox but those were smaller sample sizes I'm going by. Hope these can help a bit though, AFAIK there's still really nobody that sees these ECHL guys for rosters.

[Manimal]

Please rename Landshut Cannibals (German Second Division - DEL2) to EV Landshut or EVL Landshut Eishockey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EV_Landshut

Already done! It will be part of the next release(please, don't ask when)

I'm not sure how many of these attributes are actually pre-set for these ECHL players, but some thoughts. Some of these guys may be on AHL rosters by default too I guess:

Thanks! I'll take a look at them. Some of it is random but I can set it up. We have a researcher working on the AHL and he might catch some of them as well.

[CJ]

Thanks! I'll take a look at them. Some of it is random but I can set it up. We have a researcher working on the AHL and he might catch some of them as well.

You don't have to edit these. Just send this list to the AHL researcher, and he does it for you.

[Manimal]

Thanks! I'll take a look at them. Some of it is random but I can set it up. We have a researcher working on the AHL and he might catch some of them as well.

You don't have to edit these. Just send this list to the AHL researcher, and he does it for you.

Good point!

[CJ]

In DEL2

"EVR Tower Stars" change it to "Ravensburg Towerstars"

"Landshut Cannibals" change it to "EV Landshut".

[Alessandro]

In DEL2

"Landshut Cannibals" change it to "EV Landshut".

Two posts above!

[CJ]

In DEL2

"Landshut Cannibals" change it to "EV Landshut".

Two posts above!

Haha! What a coincidence!

[bobmcgoo]

Ducks (baring in mind I don't get to see a lot of them, so anyone is welcome to disagree...)
underrated
Silfverberg (RW)
has become a go-to penalty killer, great positional awareness (15?) + good active stick (14?) + great energy (correct physical attributes already, +2 to team work and to work rate). would also bump his anticipation up to 14 too. would put both offensive role and defensive role at about 15/16. think he will be a first liner at some point in the future (he would be now if not for some guy named Perry) maybe 160 for PA, although this may be homerism!
Palmieri (RW)
would like to see a bit better offensive stats - powerplay guy IRL but barely scrapes the fourth line on the game. +2/3 for offensive stats, CA/PA+5, offensive role +1/2
Andersen (G)
bit better than the game thinks, put up some solid numbers in both his NHL years so far. maybe +1/2 for the goalie attributes. CA 150, PA 160/165? on the other hand, can be quite inconsistent, so would put that down to 13/14.
overrated
Jackman (RW)
looks like a pretty solid penalty killer but doesn't even play PK IRL, fourth liner. would take positioning, pokecheck and checking down 3-4 points each, and deking, slapshot, wristshot, stickhandling down a further 1-2 points. offensive role 6, defensive role 11
Fleischmann (LW)
a bit too creative, and a bit too offensively talented. not so much that i disagree with his offensive attributes (maybe a -1 for passing, stickhandling, wristshot, and -2 for flair and creativity) but he puts up ridiculously unlikely numbers when on a line with Getzlaf and Perry (a problem with a game?) when he's fourth line/HS IRL. would take 2-3 off his defensive attributes too. offensive role 13/14, defensive role 5
Wisniewski (RD)
way, way too good. similar to Vatanen in the game, HS IRL. almost a defensive liability, sort of a poor man's Mike Green from a few years ago. would take 2-3 points off just about every attribute except off the puck and slapshot. lower mental stats and consistency too, and a lot higher injury proneness (15+?). CA/PA down by 15-20. defensive role 7. would also knock his reputations down as well, to match this.
Holzer (RD)
looks solid on the game, minor leaguer IRL. CA/PA is correct but defensive attributes are too high (-2/3 for these.)
Fistric (LD)
same as Holzer as a defensive d-man. (-2/3 for all attributes across the board)
misc
Beleskey (LW) wristshot up to 15 - i've seen him laser it at times (22g in 65gp this year). maybe a touch higher for stickhandling too.
Etem (RW) a bit too good offensively (-1/2 for attributes), not enough defensive credit (+1/2 for attributes) offensive role 12, defensive role 13? think his ceiling is probably 135-140, think that -8 is a bit too generous.
Després (LD) checking should be a bit higher, maybe 13/14. slightly worse offensively and slightly better defensively i think - his offensive role and defensive role seem pretty good but his attributes need to change to match these.

[Romang67]

I can't figure out whether my PM to Manimal is sending or not, so I'll post it here as well.

I've been playing through a few seasons of EHM:EA now, and I've also followed others and noticed what they've said regarding who improves and who doesn't, and I've noticed that the goaltender prospects for NHL teams are straight up off in certain cases. I primarily noticed it with the Winnipeg prospects, but there are others around the league that are very underrated/overrated to begin with, and don't really improve as the game progresses.

Because of this, I'd like to offer to write down my opinions on goaltender prospects (and this only, not touching goaltenders that are currently in the NHL at all, regardless of age) who have played 20 games or less in the NHL, and whether their attributes and/or potential should be improved.

Let me know if this would be any help, and I'll start compiling a list of all contracted goaltenders with less than 20 games in the league, as well as unsigned goaltenders for NHL teams, ASAP.

[Viking]

A lot of the swedish U20 players have very low or random Current Reputation, which makes the AI ignore them when the national U20 team is selected. Since they play in their home country there´s no reason to not have it equal to their home reputation.

[Rediscoveryx]

Axel Holmström needs to be bumped up a couple of notches. Probably the best forward of all in the SHL playoffs at 18 years of age.

[Manimal]

A lot of the swedish U20 players have very low or random Current Reputation, which makes the AI ignore them when the national U20 team is selected. Since they play in their home country there´s no reason to not have it equal to their home reputation.

Swedish juniors are being worked on.

[CJ]

Thanks bobmcgoo for your input on the NHL. I'll take note of these.

Are you gonna go through all teams? If/when you have more teams, you can send a message directly to me, that way I won't miss it.

[Syrjis]

Not sure if this is right place but in Liiga (Finland), hybrid icing is used now.

[Alessandro]

Not sure if this is right place but in Liiga (Finland), hybrid icing is used now.

Data stuff only here. And it has been reported numerous times.

[paul4587]

Ducks (baring in mind I don't get to see a lot of them, so anyone is welcome to disagree...)
underrated
Silfverberg (RW)
has become a go-to penalty killer, great positional awareness (15?) + good active stick (14?) + great energy (correct physical attributes already, +2 to team work and to work rate). would also bump his anticipation up to 14 too. would put both offensive role and defensive role at about 15/16. think he will be a first liner at some point in the future (he would be now if not for some guy named Perry) maybe 160 for PA, although this may be homerism!
Palmieri (RW)
would like to see a bit better offensive stats - powerplay guy IRL but barely scrapes the fourth line on the game. +2/3 for offensive stats, CA/PA+5, offensive role +1/2
Andersen (G)
bit better than the game thinks, put up some solid numbers in both his NHL years so far. maybe +1/2 for the goalie attributes. CA 150, PA 160/165? on the other hand, can be quite inconsistent, so would put that down to 13/14.
overrated
Jackman (RW)
looks like a pretty solid penalty killer but doesn't even play PK IRL, fourth liner. would take positioning, pokecheck and checking down 3-4 points each, and deking, slapshot, wristshot, stickhandling down a further 1-2 points. offensive role 6, defensive role 11
Fleischmann (LW)
a bit too creative, and a bit too offensively talented. not so much that i disagree with his offensive attributes (maybe a -1 for passing, stickhandling, wristshot, and -2 for flair and creativity) but he puts up ridiculously unlikely numbers when on a line with Getzlaf and Perry (a problem with a game?) when he's fourth line/HS IRL. would take 2-3 off his defensive attributes too. offensive role 13/14, defensive role 5
Wisniewski (RD)
way, way too good. similar to Vatanen in the game, HS IRL. almost a defensive liability, sort of a poor man's Mike Green from a few years ago. would take 2-3 points off just about every attribute except off the puck and slapshot. lower mental stats and consistency too, and a lot higher injury proneness (15+?). CA/PA down by 15-20. defensive role 7. would also knock his reputations down as well, to match this.
Holzer (RD)
looks solid on the game, minor leaguer IRL. CA/PA is correct but defensive attributes are too high (-2/3 for these.)
Fistric (LD)
same as Holzer as a defensive d-man. (-2/3 for all attributes across the board)
misc
Beleskey (LW) wristshot up to 15 - i've seen him laser it at times (22g in 65gp this year). maybe a touch higher for stickhandling too.
Etem (RW) a bit too good offensively (-1/2 for attributes), not enough defensive credit (+1/2 for attributes) offensive role 12, defensive role 13? think his ceiling is probably 135-140, think that -8 is a bit too generous.
Després (LD) checking should be a bit higher, maybe 13/14. slightly worse offensively and slightly better defensively i think - his offensive role and defensive role seem pretty good but his attributes need to change to match these.

I'm a Ducks fan and I agree with all of the assessments except Silfverberg. He's going to be an elite defensive forward but I don't see the offensive talent for him to be a 1st liner. Has a great release but is terrible at getting his shot off through traffic, he's not great at getting open and he has a weak one timer. I'd say -8 PA would be fair.

Definitely agree on Palmieri and Beleksey. Beleskey has always had an absolute rocket. Palmieri is small but very skilled. He's playing hurt at the moment but was awesome when he was healthy this year. I'd bump up Jackman's speed, he's very quick for a grinder/enforcer type.

[Peter_Doherty]

I think Silfverbergs defensive attributes shouldn't be set that high to start either, maybe 14-13 would be enough to start?

[friggan]

USA have a few players in the collage league that participateing in World championship. They have like 50 in ca on Ehm. Fix that please!

[Syrjis]

Some nationality stuff:

Mark Dekanich, Dario Kostovic, Ryan Kinasewich, Mike Glumac, Geoff Waugh, Sasa Martinovic, Nathan Perkovich and Andrew Murray are all eligible for the Croatian national team IRL.

Janko Kucera should have Slovenian as his second nationality and be declared for Croatia. Also, he played 5 games this season for Asnières (France3).

Riho Embrich plays for the Estonian national team (currently declared for Finland) and last played for Bewe TuusKi (season 2013-14 & 2014-15)

Add Russian as 2nd nationality (Estonian declared) for Andrei Makrov and Jevgeni Missenjov

-Add Italy as 2nd nationality (Estonian declared) for Alexander Petrov

-Frank Banham, Andrew Sarauer, Tyler Metcalfe are all eligible to play (and played this season) for Hungarian national team

-Add Sweden as 2nd nationality (Hungarian declared) for Istvan Bartalis

-Davide Nicoletti made his Italy debut in season 2013-14 so he should be declared for Italy
-Add Italy as 2nd nationality (declared for Italy) for David Borrelli
-Adam Dennis should be declared for Italy
-Rob Sirianni's birth city should be Edmonton, Canada. It's currently Umtata, South Africa
-Jonathan Pittis & Domenic Pittis are both apparently retired. Domenic now works for Calgary Flames as a Development Coach

[Obalobex]

tanev should probably be a better shutdown guy than he is, cory conacher is basically AHL fodder at this point in his career. at the very least their potentials should be swapped, though i think he could stand to be dropped lower and tanev raised higher

[Alessandro]

Some nationality stuff:

Most of this was done already, but now it's all in. Thank you, should you have more, I'll implement it

[batdad]

I dunno about changing Tanev in the game too much.

1. Last two months of the season, he struggled and continued to in the playoffs along with the rest of the Canucks slow D..
2. Here is his screenshot four years in to my game:




Not sure how much would need to change there. Maybe a slight bump in his mentals, especially bravery. But he is not super fast, he doesn;t play 30 minutes, he has no shot to speak of, and he makes simple plays. He suffers in game only because of the game's issue with defensive dmen at this point. His numbers scoring wise are spot on, averaging 5 goals per year and 25-30 points. He is rated as a quality 3-4 dman and is ranked 4th on Leafs depth chart behind:

1. De Keyser
2. Lindholm
3. Methot

Only possible better than Methot, but if he is not by much.


Not to single anything out but we need to remember when rating players to look at everyone in hte league not just his own team. Where would Tanev rank league wise as a dman? Probably in the 25-50 range in terms of dmen and ability in the league. That is about where he is in the game 4 years in.

I would argue that at best, his current ability could be raised a little, and some of his starting attributes, however not his PA as he is pretty darn spot on later in the game


Also I would really hesitate on 2nd nationalities to weaker hockey countries. I know it is a dream of these nations to get these guys to play for them in Division 2 or 3 of World Champs....and to get to Olympics etc...but do these guys play for them ever? I would argue that realistically....until a pro or NHL player has played for a country we should not be making him eligible to play for that country. Keep the game real.

That being said, that is my opinion, and if others differ so be it. But the game will be a bit unrealistic should we do that too much. I want it realistic, and bet a majority of people do....so if you want 2nd nationalities etc be my guest and start an alternate data base....with those in, and then the guys who want to will try it. I may even do so.

[Peter_Doherty]

Yeah, we should be really careful with changing defensive d-men until the game related issues have been fixed...

[archibalduk]

Also I would really hesitate on 2nd nationalities to weaker hockey countries. I know it is a dream of these nations to get these guys to play for them in Division 2 or 3 of World Champs....and to get to Olympics etc...but do these guys play for them ever? I would argue that realistically....until a pro or NHL player has played for a country we should not be making him eligible to play for that country. Keep the game real.

That being said, that is my opinion, and if others differ so be it. But the game will be a bit unrealistic should we do that too much. I want it realistic, and bet a majority of people do....so if you want 2nd nationalities etc be my guest and start an alternate data base....with those in, and then the guys who want to will try it. I may even do so.

I would agree there (but like you say, it's personal taste). Maybe it'd be worth making those players declared for their primary nation if in reality they would unlikely ever play for their smaller second nation.

[batdad]

Yes that sounds right archi. I would be good with that. And anyone who has ever played in the NHL would have to be declared for their primary nation, right down to guys like Nick Drazenovich. I did not know you could do that in the game. I mean really Marco Dano, and all those types--no chance of ever playing for those teams. ANd if they ever do, we could go in and change it.

Peter-even if issue is never resolved, Chris Tanev in this case as an example...no need to change him other than maybe a mental att or two. That screenshot could not be more bang on for what type of player he is.