1974/75: Nino's Rosters - Mario Lemieux as an 8 year old

[Lazion]

Can anyone tell me which Russian Elite League team names (default db) would go with the IRL Russian Elite League teams back in 1974-75?
Below in blue font are the ten historical team names (according to hockeydb) for the Russian Elite League in 1974-75, and in black font are the names I have in EHM….I’ve connected the four teams I think I know…

Thanks Much!


CSKA Moscow Moscow C
Krylja Sovetov Moscow K
Moscow Spartak Moscow S
Voskresensk Khimik Voskresensk
Dynamo Riga Dinamo Riga
Moscow Dynamo Moscow D
Chelyabinsk Traktor Chelyabinsk T
Gorky Torpedo Gorkij ?
Leningrad SKA Saint-Petersburg
Saratov Kristall Saratov

Remaining teams in EHM – Chekhov, Chelyabinsk T, Cherepovets, Kazan, Khabarovsk, Magnitogorsk, Mytischi, Nizhnekamsk, Novokuznetsk, Novosibirsk, Omsk, Togliatti, Tver, Ufa and Yaroslav

I'm just quessing..

[nino33]

Thanks Much!

[Moses Doughty]

there are 68 minor league teams if I counted right

Are you talking in-game? When I say 42 teams of historical minor pro players, I mean IRL in 1974 there were 30 pro teams (NHL+WHA) and in 1974 there were 42 minor pro teams (AHL+CHL+IHL+NAHL+SHL).....it's from these 42 teams that I created the AHL/CHL historical players (I've now removed the IRL shared affiliations in many cases, but it's still 42 teams of players)

So I may have 68 minor pro teams in EHM, but I only have 42 teams worth of players to populate EHM with...ideally if I could I'd edit the Leagues/Teams so I didn't have the "extra" teams, but that's not an option...so the point is I have an extra 26 "available teams" (with empty rosters at start-up) that at some point I'll get to choosing/connecting affilaitions for

It's just a matter of connecting teams (i.e. give all NHL teams at least 2 affiliations, connect AHL/CHL teams to ECHL teams too)...it's not a problem/issue, and if no one has any suggestions I will get to it eventually!

Yeah, I meant in the game. There probably is a way to make it work, depending on how you spread the players out, I'll look at the affiliations later and try to make a sensible list

[nino33]

I'll look at the affiliations later and try to make a sensible list

Cool!

will you remove all modern players from the Major Junior teams? I hope so

I'm doing this right now! WHL is done, currently working on the OHL!

I've now finished removing all modern players from the WHL, OHL, and the Russian Elite League! Currently working on QMJHL...

[Manimal]

I see you've started to look into european leagues...
Here are the name changes for the Swedish top league (Div.1 in 74-75,Elitserien since 75-76)
With the first name being 74-75 and the second default db

Modo AIK - MODO hockey
Västra Frölunda IF - Västra Frölunda HC
Björklövens IF Umeå - IF Björklöven
Also beware of the Swedish spelling. The default roster has the correct one. Hockeydb does not

I am trying to find out what teams played in Division 2 in 74-75. The system changed in 1975 so itis hard to find info but I have sent an e-mail to a very knowledgable guy

[nino33]

Thanks Manimal!

[Manimal]

Thanks Manimal!

No problem.
Let me know if there is anything else you'd wan help with. I see that Moses and yourself is all over the minor league affiliations so you've got that covered

[nino33]

FYI

I haven't decided yet what to do with really young European/Russian players (pre Bantam age)...

I've created and populated 5 new minor hockey (amateur) leagues in EHM of future North American NHLers...Mite, Tyke, Novice, Atom, and PeeWee gets me from players age 1 at start-up up to players age 13 at start-up...now I'm wondering what to do with Europeans/Russians who are age 1-13 at start-up

I wonder if I'll have to create European/Russian minor hockey (amateur) leagues to have the historical Europeans/Russians play Junior/Pro hockey in their home country...if I put them in an already created NA league, will they leave for Europe/Russia for Junior when it's time to?

Ideally I'd like to eventually create a "EuroRussian League" for each age division (like maybe U17 and U13 and U9 and U5 leagues), and have teams from Sweden/Finland/Russia/Czech Republic-Slovakia in each individual age division...but I don't think EHM allows me to do this, does it?...Can I create an "international" league? Where multiple minor/amateur hockey "national teams" play each other? On the Club Competitions tab in the PreGame Editor, I have to select a single "Nation" for my league when creating it...what would I select for an international league?





P.S. For the 1974 db I think I'd really like to edit/limit the number of Foreigners in the Elite Leagues of Europe/Russia, but I don't know how (I wish there was a step-by-step guide for hex editing it, like the one I used to unretire NHL numbers)

[Moses Doughty]

I didn't know if you wanted me to change the AHL affiliations so I did nothing there. I did give every team 1 CHL and 1 ECHL affiliation though. Tried to base it off of location, though there are odd ones in the ECHL. For the 4 teams in the CHL that had their own team, I put them in pairs for the ECHL.

CHL

Northwest
Saginaw Gears Toronto Maple Leafs+New England Whalers
Flint Generals Chicago Blackhawks+Boston Bruins
Muskegon Mohawks St. Louis Blues+Calgary Cowboys
Port Huron Flags Minnesota North Stars+Quebec Nordiques

Northeast
Binghamton Dusters New York Islanders+Montreal Canadiens
Sherbrooke Jets Winnipeg Jets
Philadelphia Firebirds Philadelphia Flyers+Buffalo Sabres
Syracuse Blazers New York Rangers+Ottawa Senators

Southwest
Dayton Gems Edmonton Oilers+Phoenix Roadrunners
Des Moines Capitals Colorado Rockies+Los Angeles Kings
Kalamazoo Wings Detroit Red Wings+California Seals
Lansing Lancers Vancouver Canucks+Seattle Totems
Toledo Goaldiggers San Diego Mariners

Southeast
Charlotte Checkers Birmingham Bulls+Pittsburgh Penguins
Winston-Salem Polar Twins Atlanta Flames+Houston Aeros
Hampton Gulls Washington Capitals
Columbus Owls Cleveland Crusaders



ECHL

Pacific
Long Beach Sharks Los Angeles Kings
Portland Buckaroos Colorado Rockies+Edmonton Oilers
San Diego Hawks San Diego Mariners+Cleveland Crusaders
Spokane Chiefs Seattle Totems
Trail Smoke Eaters Vancouver Canucks+Calgary Cowboys

West
Amarillo Wranglers Houston Aeros
Fresno Falcons California Seals
Kansas City Blues St. Louis Blues
Tucson Rustlers Phoenix Roadrunners
Wichita Wind Chicago Blackhawks

North
Adirondack Red Wings Detroit Red Wings
Beauce Jaros Quebec Nordiques
Buffalo Norsemen Buffalo Sabres+Toronto Maple Leafs
Erie Blades Minnesota North Stars
Fredericton Express Montreal Canadiens
New Brunswick Hawks Winnipeg Jets+Washington Capitals
Utica Mohawks New York Rangers

South
Cincinnati Stingers Boston Bruins
Cleveland Barons Ottawa Senators
Indianapolis Racers New York Islanders
Jersey Devils Philadelphia Flyers
Tidewater Sharks Pittsburgh Penguins
Salem Raiders Atlanta Flames
Suncoast Suns Birmingham Bulls
Washington Chiefs New England Whalers

[nino33]

I didn't know if you wanted me to change the AHL affiliations so I did nothing there

That's good, as AHL and all but two of the CHL are done and I'm not really looking to go back and change them (sorry if this wasn't clear earlier)

Team/Division changes have seemingly been the apparent "source" of pretty much all of my editing issues over the last couple years, and thus I HATE dealing with them...I've got the editing for all the previously listed affiliations (NHL to AHL + NHL to CHL) 100% done! Including testing! So IMO a lot of the work on affiliations is done...

What I need to do now is
- give the two CHL teams NHL affiliations
- give the 24 ECHL teams NHL affiliations
- give the AHL/CHL teams ECHL affiliations

Thanks! I'll take a look at what you've come up with for the ECHL...

[Manimal]

FYI

I haven't decided yet what to do with really young European/Russian players (pre Bantam age)...

I've created and populated 5 new minor hockey (amateur) leagues in EHM of future North American NHLers...Mite, Tyke, Novice, Atom, and PeeWee gets me from players age 1 at start-up up to players age 13 at start-up...now I'm wondering what to do with Europeans/Russians who are age 1-13 at start-up

Not only that. You also need to set up leagues for them upto 17. The existing european junior leagues in the default db are set as this
Russia - Under 17 only (needs an U20 league)
Sweden - Under 20
Finland - Under 21
Czech Rep. - Under 20
Slovakian - Under 20
Germany - Under 20
Switzerland - Under 21

I wonder if I'll have to create European/Russian minor hockey (amateur) leagues to have the historical Europeans/Russians play Junior/Pro hockey in their home country...if I put them in an already created NA league, will they leave for Europe/Russia for Junior when it's time to?

Most Europeans are set with low adaptability rates, right. That would really hinder them if they're to play abroad

Ideally I'd like to eventually create a "EuroRussian League" for each age division (like maybe U17 and U13 and U9 and U5 leagues), and have teams from Sweden/Finland/Russia/Czech Republic-Slovakia in each individual age division...but I don't think EHM allows me to do this, does it?...Can I create an "international" league? Where multiple minor/amateur hockey "national teams" play each other? On the Club Competitions tab in the PreGame Editor, I have to select a single "Nation" for my league when creating it...what would I select for an international league?

If you create a new league then I doubt it will have any other roster rules other than age. I will check this out

P.S. For the 1974 db I think I'd really like to edit/limit the number of Foreigners in the Elite Leagues of Europe/Russia, but I don't know how (I wish there was a step-by-step guide for hex editing it, like the one I used to unretire NHL numbers)

Lazion has been working a little with this(or rather the other way around,more foreigners). Maybe he'll know how

[nino33]

RE AFFILIATIONS

Currently 19 of the 30 NHL teams have a CHL affiliation…for the Winnipeg Jets, Washington Capitals, and San Diego Mariners it’s their Primary Affiliation, and for the other 16 NHL teams their CHL affiliation is their second affiliation – Toronto Maple Leafs, Chicago Blackhawks, Edmonton Oilers, New York Islanders, New York Rangers, Colorado Rockies, Boston Bruins, Philadelphia Flyers, Ottawa Senators, Atlanta Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Detroit Red Wings, Minnesota North Stars, California Seals, Calgary Cowboys, Buffalo Sabres, and the St. Louis Blues

Currently only one NHL team has a third (ECHL) affiliation – Vancouver Canucks

IMO consideration should be given to
- Pick 2-4 teams from the 11 NHL teams with no current CHL affiliation, affiliate them with Winston-Salem or Hampton
- Give the Winnipeg Jets, Washington Capitals, and San Diego Mariners an ECHL affiliation (not shared)
- Give the 7-9 NHL teams who don’t have any CHL affiliation at all a ECHL affiliation (not shared)
Then, when this was done, I’d worry about giving additional (third) affiliations…



Regards

P.S. Just so it's know, the current affiliations are basically the IRL affiliations from 1974...all I really did was reduce the number of shared affiliations

[Manimal]

I don't think NHL teams need three affiliations

[nino33]

Not only that. You also need to set up leagues for them upto 17. The existing european junior leagues in the default db are set as this
Russia - Under 17 only (needs an U20 league)
Sweden - Under 20
Finland - Under 21
Czech Rep. - Under 20
Slovakian - Under 20
Germany - Under 20
Switzerland - Under 21

I’m OK with over 17 playing in the Elite League or First Division myself…I was thinking of editing the Upper Age of all default/existing European/Russian Junior Leagues to 17 or 18 actually (one less league for me to have to create!)

Most Europeans are set with low adaptability rates, right. That would really hinder them if they're to play abroad

Good point! Thanks!

[nino33]

IMO consideration should be given to
- Pick 2-4 teams from the 11 NHL teams with no current CHL affiliation, affiliate them with Winston-Salem or Hampton
- Give the Winnipeg Jets, Washington Capitals, and San Diego Mariners an ECHL affiliation (not shared)
- Give the 7-9 NHL teams who don’t have any CHL affiliation at all a ECHL affiliation (not shared)
Then, when this was done, I’d worry about giving additional (third) affiliations…

I forgot a big one...give AHL/CHL teams an applicable ECHL affiliation!

i.e the Canucks are affiliated with the Milwaukee Admirals in the AHL, and they are affiliated (shared) with the Des Moines Capitols of the CHL, AND the Canucks are affiliated with the Trail Smoke Eaters of the ECHL....so Milwaukee and Des Moines should also be affiliated with Trail in the ECHL! This needs to be done for every NHL team's AHL/CHL affiliates...I think ideally the AHL/CHL teams need their own affiliation/connection to an ECHL team



Regards

[Manimal]

[quote="Manimal"
If you create a new league then I doubt it will have any other roster rules other than age. I will check this out
[/quote]

I looked this up for some leagues I know I created and they have no roster rules. I have never tried creating an international league but I think it will work

[nino33]

Thanks for the feedback Manimal!

[Manimal]

I see you've started to look into european leagues...
Here are the name changes for the Swedish top league (Div.1 in 74-75,Elitserien since 75-76)
With the first name being 74-75 and the second default db

Modo AIK - MODO hockey
Västra Frölunda IF - Västra Frölunda HC
Björklövens IF Umeå - IF Björklöven
Also beware of the Swedish spelling. The default roster has the correct one. Hockeydb does not

I am trying to find out what teams played in Division 2 in 74-75. The system changed in 1975 so itis hard to find info but I have sent an e-mail to a very knowledgable guy

My contact(a Swedish hockey-reporter that just released a book on Old School Hockey ) came through for me and gave me a list of the teams for 74-75 division 2. There were a lot of them so I am gonna pick the top teams for you to put in the Swedish Allsvenska with the bottom four teams from Division 1 as Elitserien has lesser spots in the game.
If we want rosters too then we have to pay him some money as it would take some time to gather. I will try to look around and see if I can find any info elsewhere

[Manimal]

These are the top two teams from each Division 2 sub-divisions which together with the bottom four teams from Division 1 makes up the Allsvenska.

IFK Kiruna
Kiruna AIF (one of the Kiruna teams can replace Team Kiruna IF, the other needs to be created as the two teams merged into one)
Hofors IK (Hofors HC in default db)
Heffners/Ortvikens IF (IF Sundsvall Hockey)
Hammarby IF (exist)
Nacka SK (Nacka HK)
Fagersta AIK (exist)
Surahammars IF (exist)
HV71 (exist)
IK Vita Hästen (exist)
BK Bäcken (Bäcken HC)
IF Troja (IF Troja-Ljungby)

I could set up the non-playable Swedish First division, too, if you want to but it will take some more time. Plus list some teams that did not exist in 74.
Team info such as arenas and colours will be harder to find but I love this kind of detective work so I might do something about it someday

[nino33]

Thanks Manimal!
Any info/help is much appreciated!

[Manimal]

Thanks Manimal!
Any info/help is much appreciated!

I will put it all down in an Excel-sheet in the coming weeks as I will be at home resting anyway

[nino33]

I will put it all down in an Excel-sheet in the coming weeks as I will be at home resting anyway

Sounds great!

[nino33]

FYI I've swapped some teams around in Sweden...
- Luleå HF is now in the Swedish Allsvenskan, AIK is now in the Swedish Elitserien
- IF Malmö Redhawks is now in the Swedish Allsvenskan, Leksands IF is now in the Swedish Elitserien

I did this mainly because I had some already created historical players on AIK/Leksands IF, and I wanted these players in the Elitserien (and it makes sense really, as IRL both AIK and Leksands IF were in Division I in 1974-75 and in the Elitserien in 1975-76)...

[nino33]

will you remove all modern players from the Major Junior teams? I hope so

JULY 16 - I've now finished removing all modern players from the WHL, OHL, and the Russian Elite League! Currently working on QMJHL...

I've finished removing all modern players from Major junior (WHL/OHL/QMJHL), and I've removed all modern players from the Elite/Junior Leagues for the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Russia, Germany, Sweden and Finland...

[archibalduk]

Wow! That will seriously add to the authenticity!