Official lead up to 2015-16 season thread

[Prowl]

Word out of Boston on Twitter is that he was asking for $5.5 million per. Sold if that's the offer and then I guess that means we deal Wideman. I'm ok with that

[Peter_Doherty]

Word out of Boston on Twitter is that he was asking for $5.5 million per. Sold if that's the offer and then I guess that means we deal Wideman. I'm ok with that

I think you might deal Gio considering the rumors of his contract demands at $9m

[Prowl]

Word out of Boston on Twitter is that he was asking for $5.5 million per. Sold if that's the offer and then I guess that means we deal Wideman. I'm ok with that

I think you might deal Gio considering the rumors of his contract demands at $9m

Gio will get $8 million ish

[Peter_Doherty]

Can you make that work in the long run? I love Gio and think he's a great player, but he's 31-32 and probably wants a long contract, maybe getting Dougie can leverage Gio in under $7M cap hit?

[Prowl]

That's why I think Wideman gets dealt. He makes $5.25 million and would be the one to leave. Gio for me will be resigned. I think it will end up being a fair deal. I think the term will be longer but he's the culture setter for the Flames. I expect Dougie will get a 5-6 year deal worth $5.5-6 million per. Just an educated guess

[Peter_Doherty]

Sounds about right, that D-corpse is filthy... Gio, Dougie, Brodie and Russell, all good puck movers aswell, that's corsi heaven right there.. Unlike Rangers who have a good D but we're in Corsi hell with Girardi and Staal in our top-4 Your top-4 is ridiculous now.

[philou21]

Wasn't expecting Boston to give up on Hamilton! I like turnovers like those close to the draft.

[Peter_Doherty]

Lucic seems to be heading to Kings now aswell, guess Bruins is rebuilding... Weird timing when they just resigned Krejci to that big deal...

[batdad]

Peter--Point is they are between a rock and a hard place. They could not match, would put them over the 10%. It is why they were looking at moving Milan.

And yeah, he may have been able to get higher, and as I said it is not great...just not as horrible as one would believe when you look deeper and see where they are stuck with this.

Now you are just making stuff up? They are at $64m cap hit RIGHT NOW according to generalfanager, far from the 10% summer thing. Offer sheets are later aswell, after Free Agenzy Frenzy so they had alot of time to trade Seidenberg/Kelly/Loui/Lucic/whoever. Rumor on twitter now saying his demands were $5.5m, if that's correct then it's mindboggling.

Prowl - Amazing trade by Flames, now you can afford to play hard ball with Gio on his new contract negotiations, just trade him if he wants the world and still have a great first pair.

Nope...not making stuff up. That is what has been prompting the moves and Looch rumours. That they were in cap trouble and need to look ahead. An offer sheet could have completely shafted their ability to match and they would have to take the compensation. It is not just Doug they had to sign I do not believe?

Maybe they had a ton of time, but the problem was they still could not afford Hamilton and what he wanted? And yeah the 5.5 mill salary would mess them up...he is NOT Karlsson, but he is not Larry Murphy either. Kid is a very very good #3 dman at this time. Will be a good #2 in the future behind Brodie...maybe even ahead of him.

Those other guys...if they had to move out....well they would have to take salary back for them. IT is not as though they were dealing with Phoenix and a ton of cap room, Bieksa rumour for example. Only 1.5 mill off the books there.

Eriksson...maybe he gets you something but meh...chopped liver.....


Really this deal is NOT GOOD for Boston and is GREAT for Calgary on the surface as I said.

However....it is not as bad as people and their emotional attachment to HF Boards are making it out to be. Hamilton is good, will be really good...and yeah I am making that deal 1000000 times over as CAlgary. But...it is just not as bad as people are making it out to be.


God, if Bob Mackenzie says it is not as bad as people are making it out to be....I believe him over every single other person on the planet. He has the ear and learns from EVERY SINGLE GM in the league. ANd almost every single scout. I tend to trust his explanation a whole lot more than random people jumping off bridges.

[philou21]

Really? I haven't seen anything yet, hope it come out soon!

I also heard that Versteeg refused to be traded to MTL. Wonder why....but anyway I don't think he would fit much. Mtl has plenty of third line guys as it is.

[batdad]

LOl if Versteeg to Montreal. Beginning of chicago dumping a few bucks here and there.


One of the guys they still had to sign in Boston...they just did McQuaid.

NOTHING AND I REPEAT NOTHING in my hockey insider twitter feed yet on anything re Looch to LA, other than that they are trying .. and nothing at all on Versteeg.


All i have is LA is working on it with Boston. and may be close

[Peter_Doherty]

batdad - Agree that they are/were in cap hell but you don't send away your 22 year old #2D with #1D potential to save future cap problems, fact is that they are well under the summer cap thing and could have easily just moved some other pieces instead of Hamilton to make it work...

I think it's just as bad under the surface as over it, especially since the rumors that he "only" wanted $5.5m instead of the $7m people were talking about before.

I understand what ur saying though, just don't put stuff like facts when they are not, they wouldn't automaticly be over the summer cap if they signed an offer sheet.

The Versteeg thing is funny as hell

Friedman, Bob and Dreger have all tweeted about Lucic to Kings as a possibility. Didn't mean my other comment as if it was done, just heavily rumored at this time.

Edit: apparently Versteeg hasn't nixed Habs, he told LeBrun the reports are false, which actually just makes it more funny

[philou21]

Talks about Lucic here are going crazy. MTL fanboys are on bash mode on the Bruins lol

[Peter_Doherty]

Rumors are #13 and a prospect (maybe Martin Jones) for Lucic.

Edit: LeBrun just changed it to a couple of prospects and #13.

[batdad]

batdad - Agree that they are/were in cap hell but you don't send away your 22 year old #2D with #1D potential to save future cap problems, fact is that they are well under the summer cap thing and could have easily just moved some other pieces instead of Hamilton to make it work...

I think it's just as bad under the surface as over it, especially since the rumors that he "only" wanted $5.5m instead of the $7m people were talking about before.

I understand what ur saying though, just don't put stuff like facts when they are not, they wouldn't automaticly be over the summer cap if they signed an offer sheet.

The Versteeg thing is funny as hell

Friedman, Bob and Dreger have all tweeted about Lucic to Kings as a possibility. Didn't mean my other comment as if it was done, just heavily rumored at this time.

Edit: apparently Versteeg hasn't nixed Habs, he told LeBrun the reports are false, which actually just makes it more funny

Apparently you do when he asks for 5.5 and Krug makes 3.5, while Chara is the #1 guy.

It is fact dude. They do not feel Hamilton is worth 5.5, because of their cap situation. They moved him beccause if he gets offer sheeted at that, they cannot afford to match it. if they have to pay him that, they cannot. They would not. So...he was an asset sitting there and they had to get what they could. They did. Not a great deal, but not as bad when you take the EMOTION out of it, and stop reading the press about him, save for the guys who handle this without emotion being attached.

Should Calgary fans be ecstatic? YEs. Should Boston fans be upset? yes. But not to the stage of complete vitriol and being ready to jump off a bridge.


Yes I know re Looch, but some posts have appeared in places as a done deal. More was looking at Philou post on that not yours. Stop thinking everything is directed at you. It is not. I post my thoughts, you call them out because you have no clue and I come back with the truth. That is how things work. Then I move on to other posts because you are not the bible. (And yes I am kidding here and not serious)


Looch deal is CLOSE reported by many, but not reported done. I read philou post as being done. EDIT: SCRATCH THAT it was the post from PD that I saw saying basically deal done. IT is close, but not done.

[Peter_Doherty]

Chara has regressed ALOT last 2 years, Dougie was their best D-man this season by far... Krug will never be more then a PP-specialist that plays on the 3rd pair at even strength... If they really don't feel Hamilton is worth 5.5 then they are just stupid imo.

Bruins fans might get some consolation atleast, looks like Bruins are fleecing Kings... Seems to be a done deal now. #13 and Martin Jones part of the deal, might be more in it.

Edit: Gotta admit, read the second to last paragraph in your last post and started getting a bit mad, then i saw your last sentence

According to all the big guys on twitter the deal is Lucic for #13, Martin Jones and Colin Miller.

[sao.phim]

And now look, how Bruins will get ripped off by Arizona for 3rd/Hanifin

[Peter_Doherty]

Will end up being Hamilton + Lucic + Bostons 1st for Hanifin + 2x 2nds, Martin Jones and Colin Miller... If that happens i will first laugh for about 5 minutes, then i will feel sorry for b72 for a while, then i will probably laugh some more.

[Prowl]

Wow at Lucic. Who's next? Rask? They did get Jones

[Peter_Doherty]

Wow at Lucic. Who's next? Rask? They did get Jones

I would guess it's more likely they trade 15+Jones for #12 to Dallas, but hey, all bets are off when it comes to Bruins under Captain Sweeney

So apparently Bruins are retaining close to 50% of Lucic salary aswell, makes that deal pretty even i would say.

[philou21]

Is Jones a really good prospect? A first alone for Lucic IMO is already alot, especially the way he was playing since maybe 2 years.

[Peter_Doherty]

Is Jones a really good prospect? A first alone for Lucic IMO is already alot, especially the way he was playing since maybe 2 years.

Jones is a solid goalie prospect, has good numbers as a backup. Miller is also a solid prospect, NHL-ready d-man... Lucic is at almost 50% salary retained which explains the steep price.

[philou21]

Yeah I just read that somewhere else about his salary! I still think that Boston is doing a little bit too much. For cleaning cap space dealing Lucic makes sense but Hamilton....I dunno. Some people say that with their third first rounder they will try and land the 2nd or 3rd LOL I don't think it makes much sense. Even with three first rounder, the best pool of players is 1 to 10-12 maybe? All their pick are 13 and higher IIRC.

[CJ]

Calgary has a serious D arsenal now!

[Peter_Doherty]

They seem desperate to get #3 and take Hanifin tbh... The drop off in talent is after #13 i would say, maybe you can add Konecny and say after #14 aswell.. That's how i have it atleast...